Legend has it that Flavia is still trying to figure out what “liberal institutions” she was supposed to be talking about.

Flavia's entire argument consisted of ad hominem attacks and Douglas was right to call it out.

Having listened to the whole thing, I still have no idea what Flavia Kleiner's point was. And she didn't name an institution.

@victorfaasuamaleaui

7 ай бұрын

SHE WANTS TO EAT ORANGES ON THE TRAIN. WERE YOU NOT LISTENING!?

@bennym5244

6 ай бұрын

No!!! YOU WEREN'T LISTENING!!! SHE WANTED TO EAT ORANGES AND KNOW EXACTLY WHERE THEY ARE FROM!!! SHE WANTED TO WEAR LEOPARD PRINT ON A NIGHT TRAIN IN FRONT OF STRANGERS. I wonder what those strangers may want though!?

@chelseapoet3664

6 ай бұрын

She also wants only the army to have real guns, and everyone else.- I guess including the police - to have mini guns filled with syrup! She's clearly on psychedelics 🤣

@andrewleyden2752

4 ай бұрын

To be fair, I think that is a mistranslation. In German the word "institution" can mean "an established law, practice, or custom." So I think she is referring to practices/values. She is still incoherent though.

The standard of political debate in Switzerland must be very poor if this young lady is a rising star...

@Vivienwestphal

Жыл бұрын

Perhaps she does better in her native language 🙄

@bennym5244

6 ай бұрын

Rubbish, translated in over twenty languages her ideas are still flat and vacuous. Actually I didn't see an idea of hers at all.

Oh dear, this was painful to watch. Truly a battle of wits against an unarmed woman. I would be hiding my face in shame too if I were in Flavia Kleiner's shoes. She really had it coming to her: that's what happens when you get in the ring with someone miles ahead of you in terms of analytical and verbal skills.

@bennym5244

6 ай бұрын

It's what happens when there's a generalised push from captured institutions targeting young and immature minds like Flavia.

I'm 5 minutes into Flavia's talk and my Spidey senses are of the scale.

@cormackeeney3897

Жыл бұрын

lol

That was like watching a slow motion car crash! Douglas was impressive, as usual. Flavia came across as vapid and lacking in substance - "confetti" as Douglas wittily said. I will grant that Flavia has a strong grasp of English, even though it is not her native language. But despite that, when she kept harping on about "institutions", she apparently didn't mean institutions at all - she meant "values". Although, I wouldn't bet that she would be able to be any more detailed about what those "values" are than she was on "institutions"!

What was on the mind of the organizers when they paired Douglass with Flavia? They obviously belong to a different weight class. The "mediator's" partiality was yet another major issue with me. Also, I expected a debate rather than an "exclusive interview" with Flavia. It was painful to watch, a complete mess, an embarrassing event for everyone.

Flavia was literally butchered by Murray. She couldn't even respond. She was totally and utterly awestruck. She obviously didn't know who she was up against and what a formidable opponent Murray is. Her presumptuous puerile attack was met with the most fantastic, most devastating response she might've deserved.

@chelseapoet3664

6 ай бұрын

He *literally* butchered her? Was she sold as rump, fillets and steaks afterwards?

@lmbas8501

6 ай бұрын

@@chelseapoet3664🤣

The lady who chaired the meeting was at fault for this failure. Douglas was not asked to give his opening keynote speech. That wasn’t a debate. It was a ramblings of Flavia show. Flavia, have you read some of Douglas’s work? If you have you will see he is very liberal, the most liberal person I have seen, maybe you even agree some things between you. At least the Madness of crowds.

@aj-zt8br

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah but douglas wiped the floor with her dignity too 😂😂

@BadNews885

Жыл бұрын

Any idea who she is? I couldn't quite catch her name at the beginning

@davidhealey5247

9 ай бұрын

​@@BadNews885Flavia Clowner. Sorry, Kleiner.

I named my cleaning mop Flavia. Cause Douglass Murray wiped the floor with her.

Douglas is fantastic she is a nightmare 🤔

I’m sure just about all sane people in Europe want the freedom to take a train to different countries on the continent, to try their wines and food, just as I’m sure just about everyone would agree that deportation for slightly speeding in their cars is far too strict. She dodged the question from the man in the audience, (as she did all of Murray’s questions), when he asked if their were any valid reasons for refusing someone to migrate to your country. I’m sure just about all sane people in Europe would agree that we don’t want outsiders who, for example, believe it’s the right thing to take a train to Nice, not to sample the wine and cuisine, but to chop the head off of an old lady, or outsiders who would decaptitate a teacher for showing his students satirical pictures of Mohammed.

the actual content starts at 4:21, for anyone who doesn't have that kind of patience

... Good heavens, what a mess ... The two elephants in the room were never addressed: 1. tribal race relations in the EU, and 2. ~ predominantly Judeo-Christian property-owning ‘liberals’ in the EU facing an invasion from predominantly property-less, unskilled, un-educated non-Christian migrants ... Douglas’ command of the English language left his poor ill-prepared opponent in the dust. It’s naive to extol ‘liberal institutional values’ in the face of those who arrive ambitious and hungry, not for EU-Judeo-Christian ‘values’, but for Europe’s evident material wealth. ~ Wake up. In turn, how much should those living and working within democracies in Europe, who’ve struggled for generations to provide for their own families, be ‘taxed’ to ‘give’ to migrating non-Europeans? How do you deal with immigrants employment? Their health care? Their short and long-term housing needs? How much of your own income and how much land within your own country are each of you willing to ‘give’ to the begging or marauding ‘refugees’? ~ And for how long? These ARE the Big Tough questions that do NEED answers ~ from all countries within the EU.

@bennym5244

6 ай бұрын

Sat in their Villas, Castles and luxury apartments and luxury beliefs they want you to give way and pay for the many coming in. These elitists made their money in the old days of colonialism but now feel guilty and urge us the working people to now pay for their greed and mischief. Our land given up to assuage their guilt and once again indulge their ' pet ' projects.

As far as I could see Douglas never got to make his opening speech. Cringing to watch dim witted Flavia who cannot debate. What a waste of Mr Murray’s time. Just as well he didn’t fly to Holland for this. Absolutely no idea what point she is trying to make.

Douglas burnt her career and interlect to the ground. 🔥🔥

9:27 Given the ignorance she displays about the things she is talking about I'm a bit surprised as well. But I guess there's a certain type of left wing media across Europe that considers it intellectual to call someone a 'right-wing populist'

The US American classicist, professor, and public intellectual Victor Davis Hanson has stated that he has during his decades-long teaching experience never seen students who at the same time are more ignorant while being more arrogant than at the present time. This is apparently, and unfortunately, not only a US phenomenon. While I know that Flavia Kleiner is no longer a student, I look at the attitude Flavia Kleiner expressed and the wording she used used and that thought came to mind.

@andrewleyden2752

4 ай бұрын

She isn't that young! She is only a few years younger than me and her drivel would have been laughed out of the classroom when I was at university.

An absolute sh*tshow of a so called debate. One side not invited to give their opening speech and then insulted for it

This woman is delusional. People like her voting in masse have given rise to the hellscape of Detroit, or the cesspool of Baltimore. Starry eyed ignorance. She's dangerous and shouldn't have the power to operate heavy machinery, let alone exercise political power. More and more this kumbaya naiveté is making me rethink the 19th Amendment.

Why why oh why does anyone try to debate with, Douglas?

Flavia criticised Murray for not preparing a speech lool 😅 truly grasping at straws by the end

Flavia opened the gates of hell on herself 😂😂😂

Why was Douglas denied the opportunity to present his prepared statement when Flavia was? Surely such inequality failed to allow any discussion other than this mysterious notion of Institutions which could mean anything from, say, the Roman Catholic Church or The department of roads. A very sad opportunity missed by a gracious Douglas.

@Craig_Murray

5 ай бұрын

Honestly he probably didn't want too. He said there he doesn't want to hear a bucket list and wants a debate. He knows his topics inside out and doesn't need to prepare a speech.

Oh dear, Flavia cannot answer the simpliest of questions...she seems to only answer the questions she wished she was asked!

Douglas won.

@SPDLand

Жыл бұрын

Well that is quite an understatement.

@Vivienwestphal

Жыл бұрын

It wasn't even a competition 😂😂 poor lady came unarmed and empty handed

Why did Douglas have to be brief when Flavia was allowed to drone on for a “keynote speech?”

Murray is so livid ..

How can an entire audience not be able to come up with a single question? Were they all stoned out of their heads or what?

DM is just leagues above this conversation! I except the first language issues! But it is not a debate when one side doesn’t answer direct questions !!

Has Flavia Kleiner been seen in public since this debate?

@davidhealey5247

9 ай бұрын

Her web presence completely disappeared six months after this debate.

@ConcealedCarrier

9 ай бұрын

@davidhealey5247 no doubt she found something shiny and has busied herself is best she can.

So good.

Well, now I know never to take Flavia Kleiner seriously. Then again, I didn’t know who she was to start with. So nothing lost anyway 🤷‍♂️

Flavia is a child. And she is what she stands against

Well what I learned is that some juvenile elitist really wants to eat oranges and wear pajamas and a whole lot of other stuff.

26:20-26:28 The most false thing I've ever heard.

@victorfaasuamaleaui

7 ай бұрын

I couldn't help but laugh at the deluded irony of that one too. It's like she's living in the Upside Down.

Still wondering what she was babbling about. Help, please.

I got Europe (Rome)

Did she just mention WW2 widows and orphans who had no infrastructure, no food, no heating .... and no karaoke, raves, or yoga on solar-panelled houseboats?? How shallow and flippant.

Merritt vs ideology 😂

This "debate" was TIREsome . The Valid-Reason, why(illegal)

Flavia uses a lot of words but says very little... she uses platitudes and avoids specifics... people who consistentky and purposely do this... are camoflaging their desires and should thus not be trusted.

Shes eating humble pie by the truckload by 2024.... She should visit France or Sweden for a bit...

What institutions are you talking about, Flavia? 🙄

I can only say that - beyond their ideas - the argumentative level of the two invited to the debate was not well balanced. In particular, I found Flavia confusing and contradictory (and even a little childish) in many of her statements.

Pig Poop on Mecca. Nusrat Rizvi, Palm Beach Gardens FL.

She’s got a lot of Freudian slips

I was surprised myself, but Flavia convinced me. She's great. Unfortunately Douglas speculated in moments when his position was weak on my opinion.

I’m sorry Douglas that you descended into personal abuse with Flavia. You could have made the same point with better grace.

@ThrwthLkngGlss

3 жыл бұрын

Maybe, but I understand his annoyance of being framed as an right wing populist. How can you counter such framing without immediately going on the attack? She pobably would have repeated it a zillion times if he hadn't gone on the counterattack.

@simonking2869

3 жыл бұрын

Considering her ridiculous, vituperative insults and accusations I thought he was admirably 'British' about it. Didn't descend to her level, but clearly marked her card that this isn't on. "You're a Nazi" isn't a point.

@jjdominici

3 жыл бұрын

Agree he could have been a little more magnanimous in victory, as already from the start it was apparent the victory was his.I think her choice to be disrespectful from the start was a poor one. He certainly wasted no time going for the jugular.

@welshentag6552

Жыл бұрын

He has mentioned in a couple of other places how the gloves are coming off. Usually he is very polite, but these charletans hide their spleen behind disarming facades. Tired of being traduced, maligned, and misrepresented by wolves in sheep's clothing, I guess.

@Vivienwestphal

Жыл бұрын

She called him a fool in her opening statement. He payed her back in kind while wearing velvet gloves. It is fair if someone offends you to your face. And notice that he never called her a name, the way she did to him. He only questioned the quality of her writing and her arguments. It was savege, but polite. 😂