I love how you didn't cuss even when it was going down. You have more composure than I do. I'd be cussing up a storm.

If you look back, you had to keep trimming it, which means it was slowly pulling out as you were flying.

@mjpburke1

Жыл бұрын

Excellent point!

@enzok6414

Жыл бұрын

great point. at least it happened away from them. should check those linkages on my SU30 taileron set up.

@williamwallace9427

Жыл бұрын

Very good theory 👌

@BrianPhillipsRC

Жыл бұрын

I agree this was what I thought too, but during the flight, I had no idea.

@RAYROTHSTEIN66

Жыл бұрын

@@BrianPhillipsRC it always happens that way bro, it's always hindsight... BTW, I still have a E flite SU30 NIB I might let go if I don't get to it in the next season.

First and foremost, I give great credit to you both for being able to handle your excellent post crash investigation knowing emotionally how you both must feel. I’ve been flying RC since the early 1980s, and if you’re at the controls, even when the airplane gives up on you, it’s still hard emotionally; you constantly question whether or not there was something you could’ve done to avoid the crash. But in this case, it was a failure in materials’ quality control on FMS part. As you said, it only takes a 10 cent part to bring down the entire system, and here, it was the control linkage, where on the FMS website, a full set costs just $5.99 (70mm SU-27 Linkage rods, SKU; FMSRZ109). The threads on the linkage rod were defective and did not have the proper full outer diameter. Take a pair of calipers or a micrometer and measure those threads, especially at the rod end, and compare that to a good linkage rod, and you’ll have your answer. The threads’ outer diameter just did not bite deep enough into the ball link. You, as the customer, should never have to take responsibility for your supplier’s quality control issues, so I hope FMS does right by this and immediately sends you a new SU-27. You won’t forget the crash, but a new jet will certainly go far to brighten your day. :-). I wish you the best with that and thank you so much for the videos. I learned something today that I thought I’d never have to worry about, but will now check going forward.

@crotaflyingsolo4759

Жыл бұрын

Agreeing with what you've said, but a side note replacing Brian's plane is secondary, it was sent as a test/review item, and should be the reason that FMS investigate QC at the manufacturer's end and possibly opens and inspect all their stock before it goes out, or at least enclose a supplement in the instructions to check/test all control hardware before assembly to avoid a much more costly replacing crashed planes, and possible lawsuits going further! This is something all brands, including the High-end model sellers, are letting defectively made/packaged kits out the door (IE control horns not or barely glued in place like mine ect.)

@FA-44

Жыл бұрын

@@crotaflyingsolo4759 Well said and I do hope FMS (and others) are paying attention to these flights and will do as you state. I have close to 60 RC aircraft in my basement with many high end jets being manufactured by FMS and E-flite; so I would like to feel comfortable that these companies are not just using KZread to sell RC aircraft, but to also scan for any QC issues.

@crotaflyingsolo4759

Жыл бұрын

@@FA-44 I didn't want to mention the other High Enders HH/EF of what I was hinting at, but they need to look at their QC CLOSELY, which is what I'm contributing to a crash or two of my Apprentice!

20:36 "wait until the last second to pull out" Thats the only way to live life on the edge 😉

@old-rcplane-phart

Жыл бұрын

Hahahaha 😆!

@BrianPhillipsRC

Жыл бұрын

I'm glad someone caught that ;) LOL

After watching a few FMS plane reviews I changed the hardware on my FMS pitts. This story is rare but not unheard of. This won't prevent me from buying FMS because I don't mind replacing the hardware.

@BrianPhillipsRC

Жыл бұрын

Good call. Just double check them. Also, tailevons are the most challenging to keep in check, and to be honest, I just wish I would have noticed when I was building it.

@trevorfurlotte

Жыл бұрын

@@BrianPhillipsRC sadly it often takes an incident like this to teach us the hardware to slow down and triple check everything. My Hanger 9 Twist 60 is ab ARF. I check every control surface because I don't trust anyone else to properly glue CA hinges and sure enough one aileron and one half of the elevator came off with a gentle tug.

Sad loss Brian, your crash analysis is just about right. Definitely not your fault 😉

@BrianPhillipsRC

Жыл бұрын

It was only my fault for not seeing it when I built the plane, but to my defense, it wasn't immediately clear there was a problem when I was setting the stabilator neutral position...so I would have had to screw the ball link end off to see the TAPER on the rod to have a clue...which I didn't do ;( Oh well, we are blessed in the arena of RC, and so glad it happened to me, and not to one of our followers ;)

I don't know what to say. You and the camera crew are the best in the game Aloha. My brother just love you guys

I absolutely love how well you take it when you have a crash. I keep coming back to your great videos and your awesome attitude. Handled great. And let's give it up for the camera crew!!! Kept it all in frame !

@BrianPhillipsRC

Жыл бұрын

Thank you, but also keep in mind, we usually pause it so I can let out the mean stuff for a few seconds, then we come back with our composure. It is tough to lose a plane, especially an AWESOME plane ;) I hope I haven't "outted" myself too much, but to be honest, I love flying, and have come to realize it's somewhat a part of the hobby, but I try to make it a smaller and smaller part of the hobby ;)

@chrisb7096

2 ай бұрын

@@BrianPhillipsRC you have a great sense of humour and perspective. Might want to get your Camera Crew/ Co-Pilot more involved in QC the Airplanes and let her do the Pre-flight checks that Maintenance may have missed! She doesn’t say much on camera, but when she does, she is spot on. I just bought a FMS F16 70mm based on your reviews - I am going to check everything carefully before Maiden flight and make a note to do so going forward. Thanks for the GREAT work you both do. Am learning a lot watching and listening to your videos on assembly, flying. Love the buried power lines! When are the kids going to fly and get their own Channel?

Hi Brian. I don't own this jet, but I happened upon the crash and autopsy of your J7 test product. It's always a sad moment when a beautiful plane goes down, but your excellent review of the specific cause was a great lesson of awareness for others to know that flaws do exist in RC products and the importance of looking over the wreckage after a smash up for clues and answers, and in your case it was a ten cent part. Once again, both you and Megan have impressed me with your channel and that's why I watch and of course buy. My basement is starting to look a lot like a Phillip's basement, just ask my wife.

Oh man that SU27 looks SO GOOD

@BrianPhillipsRC

Жыл бұрын

Sure did ;) LOL!!!

Happy New Year! Great reviews and feedback and sorry to see the crash Brian but Im not completely surprised. FMS make some great looking planes but in my limited experience with FMS (I only have the 800mm P51 Big Beautiful Doll), the elevator linkage had a similar tapered thread and pulled out causing a crash. Thankfully minimal damage and once I had reset the elevator a dab of hot glue now maintains the linkage. However I also had an issue with the Reflex unit malfunctioning which ultimately caused the plane to be written off. I have to say FMS were great and replaced the plane and the new Reflex unit works great but the elevator rod had exactly the same issue!! I am a loyal Eflite customer and have a few models which started with the Spitfire XIV which I love (but would not have had the confidence to set up without the quality instruction from your videos) and this brand gives alot of confidence due to reliable build quality (apart from the occasional bad servo) and quality of the SAFE system but I would love to invest in some of the bigger FMS models. I resist the urge though as these are not cheap purchases and I certainly cannot risk losing a plane through such a silly thing as a linkage being shoddily made. If FMS were to invest in consistently better quality linkages this would surely improve their reliability and I for one would be buying them. I'm sure there are alot of us out there that would also buy them so FMS would surely profit from a little extra investment. I'm still not sold on the Reflex system though and would swop out for a SAFE receiver (now we have forward programming) as I trust these implicitly!

Thanks Brian . Great analysis. I just ordered one so thanks for the heads up- I’ll probably change mine out for higher quality links

@BrianPhillipsRC

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Neil! Check you rod, or have someone help you check it - LOL ;) P.S. Are you also a PPG'er ? Or do you just Paraglide??? Watched your short - that would be a SWEEEEEEEEEET place to slope soar RC too!!!

Great review Brian and Camera Crew!! Hate to see something like this, but this is what helps us all out when these problems are found by influencers. Thanks for all the work you out in to this awesome hobby guys!!👊🏼👊🏼

@BrianPhillipsRC

Жыл бұрын

Thank you Jeff! Glad we could "take one for the team" on this one ;) LOL But seriously, what a looker of a plane!!! Wish we had a beautiful, greasy landing, in stead of a crash, but to be honest, we all got a kick out of watching me suffer, as usual - still less painful than a Dynam - LOL LOL LOL ;)

I used to flly rc aircraft when i was stationed in germany. Just recently getting back into it. i bought a few cheap 2ch beginner planes to get used to it again and then bought the arrow prodigy 1400mm. Havent flown it yet since in in canada and its getting colder out so may have to wait till spring lol. Love watching all your videos from the trainer planes to the j-11 cause i love to see you build them. keep up the great work and bravo to your camera crew lol

@BrianPhillipsRC

Жыл бұрын

Gotta get back in the air. It's getting so much better - models look almost like what we built out of plastic when I was growing up, only you're flying them RC now!!! Only problem I'm having now is I need an outbuilding for storage!!!

@iasciateognisperanza3267

Жыл бұрын

Germans have amazing models, custom built. I went once to an RC show and I was shocked to see so many beautiful and quite $$$ birds.

Been watching the video in 4k from 20:48 onwards, still amazed you kept it in the air so long with those bonkers elevator angles.

@BrianPhillipsRC

Жыл бұрын

Nice! She was sooo close to plopping down on the road...which would have been fine, but I have her back together now, and thing the damage is less noticeable that you'd expect ;)

Excellent video and thank you so much for all.

@BrianPhillipsRC

Жыл бұрын

Our pleasure! Thank YOU!

FINALLY, a plane I could use my 10ch (non-safe) reciever in!

@BrianPhillipsRC

Жыл бұрын

:) Awesome!!!

Crash sucks, but this really is a manufacturer issue. I had a pushing rod missing central part of the thread. It's either X-Fly Su27 or freewing banshee, but for now they flies good. FMS really owes you a new fuselage. Hopefully they will have full parts support for this aircraft soon.

@BrianPhillipsRC

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, it was a defect and FMS will make it right to us ;)

I always add a dab of Hysol epoxy where the metal thread of the control rod joins the ball joint. Never lost one like that since adopting this practice.

😂😂😂”shibity-ballzs!😂😂😂😂 I rewatched that and you saying that like 15 times to the point I was laughing out loud. Great video as always Brian. Keep them coming.

@BrianPhillipsRC

Жыл бұрын

Awesome!!!!

That Su27 has some thrust. Just before it crashed it was literally climbing vertically after at being almost stationary, recovering from its fall

@BrianPhillipsRC

Жыл бұрын

yeah, but when the tailevon is spinning free....kinda makes the hammerhead short lived - LOL ;) She's actually back in one piece - believe it or not ;)

@M4rkmcc21

Жыл бұрын

@@BrianPhillipsRC looking forward to round 2 Brian! I could see the frustration and disappointment in the video. But u love that J11!! Did FMS come back to you about how they'll handle this?

something else to add onto checklist before flying....during build! sorry Brian...thanks for the video... I appreciate your honesty...hey Megan! keep flying...🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹

@BrianPhillipsRC

Жыл бұрын

yes, and she is back in one piece, FYI ;) Make sure you check you rod, then have your significant other also give it a quick look too ;)

Those do sound amazing and what an unfortunate experience to have that beauty take a dive.

I love your videos so much! You were the one who helped me bind by first RC Plane! (Sport cub s2) Great Video!!❤

@Bill14886

Жыл бұрын

Damn . Bummer city! I’d be pissed . So pissed I’d think twice about buying another. Shit happens yes but for the price of these jets . That A I can’t buy on my budget . If I did I’d be tossing my lunch or dinner I’d be so sick. $$$$ money down the toilet due to A10. Cent part. Sorry to see it happen to you. Chin up you have plenty more to fly and a better China 🇨🇳 made copy. Lol

@BrianPhillipsRC

Жыл бұрын

Glad we could be a part of it ShockeWulf190

@BrianPhillipsRC

Жыл бұрын

Bill - yep, but I'm so glad it happened to me, and not someone else, and on camera for good feedback to FMS. They've already been in touch with us to help get things sorted out in engineering.

@Bill14886

Жыл бұрын

@@BrianPhillipsRC I hope they replace what's needed to make it new again. So sad to see a beautiful plane explode from a fail piece of plastic 😢

Great model. I agree with your analysis Brian. It happens and you actually controlled her nicely even without a major surface functioning. Fix her up and modify her to be a twin battery version.

@BrianPhillipsRC

Жыл бұрын

She's back in one piece ;)

I had a similar issue on my EFlite Commander, where i noticed on the ground my elevator pushrod tail-end would not reduce its length anymore when it kept twisting freely. Ended up CA-gluing the plastic with the metal, then re-mounted the servo arm to fix the elevator center position instead.

@BrianPhillipsRC

Жыл бұрын

I've never seen one so tapered as this one, but I could have caught it if I knew to check on it, so hopefully we can help someone catch this on their SU27 or J11 - both planes are AMAZING, so I feel bad that we just had to showcase an otherwise perfect plane with just a terrible outcome ;/

I'm looking forward to the re-maiden flight 👍

@BrianPhillipsRC

Жыл бұрын

Soon ;)

Great job, thank you guys.

@BrianPhillipsRC

Жыл бұрын

you're welcome ;)

On the RCINFORMER site, he did a build on the SU-27, he mentioned something similar to the tail wing scrubbing up against the fuselage

@BrianPhillipsRC

Жыл бұрын

yes, I had similar issues with my SU30, but this one was very VERY light contact.

Spent the last week watching the real thing from the Zhuhai airshow in China, I need one of of these, Great vid, cheers!

@BrianPhillipsRC

Жыл бұрын

Very cool!

Love the honest review as always!

@BrianPhillipsRC

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Erich! I wish I could have been honest about the greasy, delicious landing...and not a terrible crash ;( But such is life in RC from time to time - It was a fluke, and FMS is working to resolve it for future planes.

That's why I like building kits, I have seen linkage rods with almost no threads or no thread brand new in a bag. Now you have to check all linkage on every model. Oh No hahaha

@BrianPhillipsRC

Жыл бұрын

It was a fluke. I wish it hadn't been so devastating, or that I would have caught it. Oh well, she flies again ;)

First off I don't fly at all but your video was great. All the technical looks into the jet said a lot . The crash was always a bad thing. I really like how you broke it all down to find the problem, & I also agree. I would measure all rods & take apart to make sure there's no problem. Thanks for video.

@BrianPhillipsRC

Жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed the video Steve - just kinda wish you would have enjoyed it for the beautiful, greasy landing, and not a postmortem - LOL ;)

fantastic plane , Strange how you did not notice the poor threads when you assembled the model.

I love the looks of that J-11! Too bad about that crash, but stuff happens.

@BrianPhillipsRC

Жыл бұрын

yes, 100% - love the J11

I noticed your Right Knob is set about in the middle. Do you have AS3X set to 1X? If so, then you need to turn the Right Knob all the way up to achieve 1X. Right now you have AS3X set to about .5. If you set AS3X set to 2X, then setting the Right Knob to the middle position will give you 1X.

Great NTSB investigation…. Thanks for taking the time to show us what happened.

@BrianPhillipsRC

Жыл бұрын

100% We all got to learn from it this way. Thanks for watching. P.S. She's already flying again, and NO, I didn't order a single replacement part

@jaysrc

Жыл бұрын

@@BrianPhillipsRC nice!!!!!!

Ouch! Great flight , at least until... Sticking with the Rafale.😮 Looks like what my battery looked like after crashing my FW F-35A.

In the video it looks like it rolled to the left. The left elevator link came off, so it should have rolled to the right when pulling elevator. Not quite sure what could have malfunctioned. When pulling hard elevator it is possible that you had a high speed stall and subsequent spin left. The Su-27 and the mig-29 are stall critical at low speed high angle of attack. Great video!

@BrianPhillipsRC

Жыл бұрын

Wait a minute...if the LEFT tailevon goes full up (meaning the front tip was down, and the back edge was up...) which made the plane roll very hard LEFT. The SU27 was diving toward US. I just re-watched it to refresh my memory. It was a very hard LEFT roll.

@johna.s.3847

Жыл бұрын

FMS should replace the aircraft since defective parts were found.

I almost spit out my coffee at "shibbbittyballs" LMAO as far as crash reactions go this was a 10/10

@BrianPhillipsRC

Жыл бұрын

LOL - Glad you didn't ruin your keyboard - LOL

Excellent video. Love the ntsb investigation. 👍🏻🤓✌️

@reckemroysrc3764

Жыл бұрын

Inspection required on the j 11

@BrianPhillipsRC

Жыл бұрын

yes

Love the new runway. You almost had that! Foam Tac time.

@BrianPhillipsRC

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, I used 1/2 a bottle of Mucilage on it ;) She's less pretty, but in one piece again ;)

Thank you for your video Brian. I'm going to replace the linkages with dubro linkages

I like the blue one because you can see better. It’s the the quality control is the problem and not the customer.

@BrianPhillipsRC

Жыл бұрын

I agree the blue pops in the sky. This bad part was a huge bummer, but might be an isolated issue???? I hope it is!!!

Awesome video! You are right, crashes are part of the hobby. I’ve done that a few times myself. I love that large scale Trojan setting in the background. I have a couple in the same scale as your smaller one back there, but I’ve always wanted to get a larger scale and fly it. Do they fly similar to the smaller scale? i’m sure you have a video on that one, I’m gonna have to find it and watch it. Keep up the good work. I enjoy your channel.

@BrianPhillipsRC

9 ай бұрын

The Carbon Z T-28 is AMAZING - you need it, I can tell!!! It's one of my favorite planes, but it is HUGE, so keep that in mind. bprc.me/T28 It flies just like it's little sister, the 1.2m, but even slower, if you want, which I LOVE! It's got so much presence in the air, and will make you drool!

Hi, I enjoy watching your videos. Especially EDF jets, I’m still learning. One suggestion , if possible: Could you record the RC transmitter while you fly the airplane? I would like to see how you maneuver during tricky challenges. Hopefully others agree with this suggestion. Many thanks for the testing, I bought the T-28 and it’s so nice.

Another great honest review. Did you check the J11 threads by chance? This may be a nieve question, but I wonder if the twins could be set up with separate batteries to help keep the puff down?

@BrianPhillipsRC

Жыл бұрын

Yes, and they were good. I also used another plane, the Viper 90mm which uses the same rods, and definitely was a bad rod!

@theartofflying3108

Жыл бұрын

@@BrianPhillipsRC I would glue those push rods with CA for good if I were you. You may sooner loose aircraft itself than ever need to replace those so better have those reliable.

Great video and crash investigation. FMS seems to owe you a plane on this one. Or the company that manufactures the control rod. It’s obvious what the malfunction was. Also as you had to keep trimming during the flight. My guess was the failure was already starting to happen causing the need to trim. Thank you for the extra step to determine what happened in this situation. So we now know it was not pilot error. That Brian Phillips has been cleared of any wrongdoing and cleared for flight status. Get him back in the air. 😂 Awesome plane, review, investigation and video Sir.

@BrianPhillipsRC

Жыл бұрын

It was a defect for sure. FMS was on the email ASAP when they saw it asking for as much information we could share so they could help get this all corrected, but as you know, we do so many reviews, and have a great working relationship with FMS, among others, and know they would take care of us had we asked ;)

So sad about that mishap with the Su-27. It really is a gorgeous EDF. I managed to snag one of the last eFlite Su-30's earlier this year and absolutely love flying it. The FMS Su27/J11 are the same plane as the eFlite Su-30. Personally I only fly it with 6000 or 6200 packs (60C -120C) for the extra margin on battery. 3.5min is my timer with 30 sec reserve. I land with about 30% left. RESPECT THE TIMER with this plane. I also now only fly with the ordinance on as I think it does look better with it. Additionally I thought flaperons/thrust reverse would be needed because my first landings used up A LOT of runway on rollout (fortunately I fly it at a local airport and have a long enough landing/takeoff distance). I have since learned how to slow her down with high alpha and power so landings are much less rollout and slower. I also custom painted the exhaust/engine panels to add various other metal shades and discoloration that you see on the full size plane. Looks so much better. If you want I can send you some pics. Pilots need to know this plane is heavy, it has power but if you fly it like a heavy plane and manage your energy and throttle you will have great success. Don't get it too tight a turn at slow speeds or it will bite you. I am disappointed at the price point FMS has for this plane, considering you were able to get the eFlite one for about $100 less and it was BNF. I get rising costs and all but still this one is a bit more for a PNP than I would expect. 'm also not thrilled with FMS' marketing ploy with this saying it is 'limited production', it seems they are creating artificial scarcity and demand. They are already sold out but then I saw they only had like 10 of each available. That seems strange and not cost effective. I'm not a fan of manufacturers that use this type of marketing to 'scare' customers into an urgency in buying now because of limited stock and no potential future stock, especially on something this expensive. I'd love to pick up another one to have as a spare but that price point is just a bit much right now.

@BrianPhillipsRC

Жыл бұрын

I think they're just having trouble keeping up with production demands...just ask Horizon Hobby - seriously, FMS can't keep up with FMS! Great plane, but agree, for this price point, BNF would be nice...or at least Reflex V2 so we can use a cheaper Rx...BUT I FAR prefer SAFE/AS3X over Reflex on a high quality plane like this between you and me.

tell the mechanic to layoff the vodka!!! also pilot are always responsible throughout the flight process: preflight check including the linkages. pilots have the final say go/no go checks. I always say take off is optional and landing is not. I know it easy to judge but teach everyone personal responsibility and safety

Having an uncorrectable roll, that’s EXACTLY what happened on my E-Flite F-18 Blue Angel (minus the pushrod failure), albeit right from takeoff. Nice attempted recovery, almost looked like you were gonna pancake it on the road for a second (which would’ve caused very limited damage actually.)

@BrianPhillipsRC

Жыл бұрын

yep...but belly scrapes would have been nasty

@reckemroysrc3764

Жыл бұрын

@@BrianPhillipsRC it turned out pretty nasty anyway. It's just the pilot in you to try to land that buckin Bronco. I would have done that same thing

Yeah the links are stripped, I had that on the T28 800 they must have a bad batch of them. I will have to let Meave know, thanks for sharing Brian. My Su should be here Thursday

@BrianPhillipsRC

Жыл бұрын

it was, and hope others might catch theirs before it pulls out. LOVE the planes though!!! Wish I would have been able to save her.

You almost saved it there. That sucks. That’s why I gave up planes and choppers. It’s not if but when they’ll crash. I stick to boats and cars. Your investigation does seem to point to that faulty thread. I’ll just enjoy watching you enjoy flying! Good luck!

@BrianPhillipsRC

Жыл бұрын

Thanks, and yes, but wish would get back into plane ;)

very cool model and I really like it friends, continue and greetings from Indonesia

@BrianPhillipsRC

Жыл бұрын

Thank you very much!

FMS is on a roll, I love that J-11. I need to grab a Rafale first but the J-11 is coming to my Hanger as well, although the SU27 may be a better choice because of the color. Here in the PNW it's Grey allot of the time. How is FMS getting the great sound out of their EDF Jets, it's like Vudu magic. Odds are FMS uses the same part for both planes so checking that part is a must on both

@friendlyreptile9931

Жыл бұрын

The sound depends on the number and shape of the EDF blades.

@New2Kendo

Жыл бұрын

@@friendlyreptile9931 the Rafale sounds like no other EDF I have seen

@friendlyreptile9931

Жыл бұрын

@@New2Kendo Oh sorry, i understood that wrong than. I never heard it so no idea :D

@BrianPhillipsRC

Жыл бұрын

Yes they are! Now they just need to get these back in stock!!!

Good post crash analysis. Also I would wager there is a lot more force on that surface than would be on a regular small aileron or elevator because it’s so much larger. Love the blue jet hope to have one one day!

@BrianPhillipsRC

6 ай бұрын

yes, but what a bummmmmmmmmer ;) She's flown again, fyi...and she has a new twin sister, but much hotter - no broken nose, and WAY lighter - LOL ;)

Models this large and powerful should really be 12S... we'll be there soon!

@BrianPhillipsRC

3 ай бұрын

LOL - That'll be crazy!

Hey, I just set up this jet and my taileron was stuck during flight check. The issue: one of the tailerons had paint over the screw. The paint was catching on the unpainted screw on the fuselage. I peeled the paint off the screw and pushed the taileron a smidge from the fuselage and no issue. I have the SU-27 and it was my left taileron

@BrianPhillipsRC

Жыл бұрын

I'll triple check mine again.

Great video as always brian 👍 crashed my su 27 on 5th flight. Had full power out, zero control and it glided off into a field . Even the lights went out. Hopefully fms will replace the plane . Was gutted such an amazing plane, bit of a pain to get off grass though

@BrianPhillipsRC

Жыл бұрын

Did you lose the BEC?

@justbigjets7633

Жыл бұрын

@@BrianPhillipsRC Must of done. Had a fms red arrow which did the same thing. It was 3 yrs old and had been a great plane

Bummer, personally I always glue that clevis end tip to the rod once a jet is set up for safety and to help prevent what just happened. The glue will break loose if you use pliers to twist off the clevis.

cool jet and flight,bummer it went down

Excellent video

@BrianPhillipsRC

Жыл бұрын

Thank you very much!

There is also the E-FLITE SU 30 that is the same model with some electric differences its made for E-FLITE by FMS

Sorry to see that happen Brian. I was also curious to see how slow you could get it to fly for an actual landing.

Ouch !! It sucks losing a plane like that 😕

@BrianPhillipsRC

Жыл бұрын

She's not lost ;) I'll fly her again for you all soon ;)

Once your NX radio is all configured to your home wifi network doing updates is super easy, no need to visit the website. Just FYI the october update was super buggy, and there is a new one thats supposed to fix it, but there are still people saying there are problems. If I hadnt done a recent update I would wait and see if there is another version coming.

@BrianPhillipsRC

Жыл бұрын

yes, 3.08.BP is out, and I have it installed now, but I didn't have too many issues with the Screens Of Warning - they always disappeared for me, but would have been COOL, only why not just say what the warning MEANS??? And or just make a BANNER that's colored, rather than taking up the WHOLE screen.

@snoriverrc3842

Жыл бұрын

@@BrianPhillipsRC Their UI team isnt very good.

Haha, Shibidy Balls! 😂 Sucks that you crashed but cool plane and great video!

@BrianPhillipsRC

Жыл бұрын

They were shibity....what can I say?!?! ;)

You're getting a free plane over that one!!!

@snoriverrc3842

Жыл бұрын

lol it was free already...Brian doesnt pay for anything :)

Contact FMS and send them the video comparison of the linkage. I suspect that they will send you a replacement ;-) Good video; good analysis. Camera person called it when she first saw the tapered linkage. She said "check the threads on the other one"... Anyway, FMS needs to send a replacement...

@BrianPhillipsRC

Жыл бұрын

We've been in touch with them, and yeah, Megan caught it quick!

thank you, you're doing a great job showing us barely affordable planes we all dream of. As for my opinion of these two - they do fly like a rock)) the only real propose of jet planes is making a weird noise, but not flying any good as cubs or draco which do really don't need any runway for take off and landing and are able to fly at 20 kph))

honest video, that's what I appreiate. Now we know and they do. Thanks From France

@BrianPhillipsRC

Жыл бұрын

Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it. Happy flying!

just for another check - swap the shafts on the ball joints. It's pretty clear that there are many "missing" threads on the bad shaft... the same effect should be evident with the bad shaft in the opposite, ball connector.

@BrianPhillipsRC

Жыл бұрын

yes. The other three were good too - then I got another one off another crashed plane...and it was like - 100% more thread on the shaft. This type of issue is hard to catch, but I did eventually catch it - LOL ;) ;(

Thats a beautiful thing!

Brian, it's a no-brainer. You can see that the threads are missing on the end of that rod. That is a factory defect and I'm sorry for your loss. But this wasn't your fault. I Think somebody owes you a plane Aloha. Hi camera crew.

Thanks Brian .🇬🇧

I love how he calls her cam crew 😂

@BrianPhillipsRC

Жыл бұрын

I'm glad you enjoy it - we've had a few people who get really upset - LOL ;)

That's how I fly,and the reason I'll never be a su owner...smh. thanks for all you BOTH do for us you are my inspiration into the hobby!

@BrianPhillipsRC

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Danny, but hope you might get one someday anyway - I think the linkage was bad...sucks though

Sad to see a beautiful plane go down. I think you found your Roll rate problem. I turn the plane over and check your Elronds. See if you were adjusting for the elevator problem.

@BrianPhillipsRC

Жыл бұрын

They were undamaged - LOL - just the rod ;( - oh well, she's back in one piece, but about 1//2 tube of mucilage heavier!!!

"Shibbity balls!" 😆

@WCKD.

Жыл бұрын

😂

@BrianPhillipsRC

Жыл бұрын

They were Shibbity - what can I say??? ;)

What a onest rc pilot. He showed his mistake which many rc pilot just show their success fly not any crash

Whoaaa, Shhh-Shibatbee Balls? At 20:48 Was Hilarious & Classic... Where Do You Come Up With These New Terms? To Much Google Translating Chinese Into English??? 🤣🤣🤣😁😎

@BrianPhillipsRC

Жыл бұрын

LOL

Not enough threads caught on a rod is one thing but a tapered control rod end is unbelievable... I've never seen one.... it's a freaken rod. How, in the rod manufacturing process, can this happen. We can only check what's accessible... things like this. However, there are critical items that you cannot check without pulling the parts loose or basically destroying them. There is video of a modeler with a 20k F-14 twin turbine that crashed because the internal construction of the right stab was flawed (impossible to check, unless you have trained nano bots). It was not the 1st flight.

@BrianPhillipsRC

Жыл бұрын

These were exactly my thoughts - LOL It's a real bummer too, and I have about 50 of these EXACT rods on planes I own, but this one just happens to rip free - What are the chances?!?!

FMS this message for you. I think Brian as a professional has proved his point. Pretty much deserves a new plane. Because a 10 cent part broke sometimes. This happens in mass production. When you have little ladies, putting them together and not recognizing the parts. Damaged anyways you probably already got the new one. I just had to add in my 2 cent. Because you did a very good analysis on what happened. It's written in stone aloha

Great video Brian, thank you! I was wondering if you received any warranty from FMS? It is clear you got a faulty part.

@BrianPhillipsRC

Жыл бұрын

They are taking care of us, absolutely ;) We have been fortunate to work with a few really great companies, and we've only been left high and dry a couple times, and that with companies we just kinda don't work with anymore... FMS is doing an amazing job, and want to really grow the hobby, and they're making strides in the development of these beauties. We're honored to be a small part of helping to bring these amazing aircraft to market!!!! Thank you for your quesiton, and for being a part of our amazing experience!

feel bad on the lost su27, just having a bad part on linkage thread and the plane was lost. I face same issue like these past few month. I made a quick decision to emergency land after gain some control. Even the damage is minimal but still i feel very bad on small crack and dent.😭😭😭.

@BrianPhillipsRC

Жыл бұрын

I could have laid her down on the pavement, but honestly thought I had regained control...once the plane slowed, and entered ground effect, the elevator relaxed which was what made me think I was back in control. Still a great 2.5 minutes - LOL ;)

Just curious what you think would have happened if you flipped on SAFE right before that crash. With only one elevator working it would roll as it did (but also climb) if you pulled back on the right stick but SAFE could use the ailerons much faster than a human to counteract the roll. Do you think it could have saved it?

Your videos are very good, thank you, the failure is evident as you show it in the video, it occurred to me to zoom in on the video at the time of the failure and it is clearly noticeable how the elevator is loose.

V hi quality video. I am gonna give u most unusal explaination of crash! RECEIVER DIDN'T GET NECESSARY POWER.. & my crashes look exactly like that every day In order to save every g of weight on my planes to get 20+ mins of unlimited vertical, I don't use BEC. eg for my 2s planes I put 1s 650mah battery and 1 800 mah which gives power to receiver too.. When receiver battery temporarily sags below 3.9V u get same all control surfaces full deflections & a weired dance.

Nice flying!! then ouch!!!!!!!

@BrianPhillipsRC

Жыл бұрын

yes

How did they take off i have a eflight su30 and havent maidened it yet as i am nervous about how it may react on takeoff and landing

That was the best near-save ever! Nice effort but sadly, the airplane failed you in the end.

@BrianPhillipsRC

Жыл бұрын

She lives again too ;) One WHOLE bottle of Mucilage later - LOL ;)

Brian I'm sorry about the crash I would contact fms and see if they will replace it for you. You have it on video to show them what happened. I love your videos

@BrianPhillipsRC

Жыл бұрын

They are very fair and good to work with so suspect we'll have zero problems with getting things sorted out. I did piece the plane back together yesterday, and she's in one piece again - I know - kinda crazy ;) I want to fly it again for the cameras just to show it can be done ;)

@danculver2388

Жыл бұрын

@@BrianPhillipsRC that's good I have been flying rc planes since 1986 and it still hurts when you crash a new plane. I have a spektrum dx8 gen 2 radio and I crash 2 new jets in a row motion F18 and the A4 skyhawk. After that I bought a spektrum nx8 because you showed how nice that radio was. I really enjoy your videos and you always are straight up with the builds and the reviews. Thanks again

That J11 is sweet and ultra unique! Looks like all that trim was actually a servo going out. And man that sucked to see too!!! They are sweet birds and I am looking forward to seeing more of them! Just gotta get the ultra realistic Gooniac Firey Booty LED Afterburner in there... stay tuned for that!

@BrianPhillipsRC

Жыл бұрын

We both thought the same thing when we re-watched the postmortem. I can say that filming almost ever flight has it's advantages...like seeing what the HECK happened when something like this goes down..but what a bummer. SWEEEET plane, and want to show it at it's best, then this happens - what are the chances??!?!

@BrianPhillipsRC

Жыл бұрын

Fiery booty would look nice in these gals

Wow. I take it harder when my UMX TT crashes than you do when an expensive EDF of yours crashes. I'll spend the next few days after a crash thinking about the "could have... should have...".

@BrianPhillipsRC

Жыл бұрын

Before I had hundreds of planes in our basement it was a lot harder to take. I also usually try to let out the string of expletives off camera, then come back and share my more analytical thoughts about what happened. It sucks to have equipment malfunctions, but it's also part of the hobby - and FMS is trying their best to make it less part of the hobby ;)

This may not be related to this awesome video but would you know how to get nx-8 firmware 3.06? Maybe you have it? Spektrum has 2 new updates but they are public beta and I do not like to have them imstalled just yet and can not see the 3.06 anymore on their website...

Ouch...Someone forgot to discard the first cut of wire. Amazing plane!

@BrianPhillipsRC

Жыл бұрын

I wonder if that's what happened, since it was tapered like that.... They are amazing.

No doubt it was caused by the defective part. With this NTSB info recorded on video, do you have leverage to go back to the supplier for a non argument full replacement?

@BrianPhillipsRC

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, but just glad we could all learn from it. At least we might be able to help someone fix this issue before it causes them to crash their beauty!

@jwoocrew

Жыл бұрын

@@BrianPhillipsRC This is definitely a good find for both the supplier and consumer. Who would have thought to check these low cost things. I'm thinking it would be a good idea for the supplier to check inventory and send out a notification to limit high dollar losses.

my twin 70 fms a10 is not a pack puffer but the same packs in the SU 30, puffed them. both pull 120amps on the ground. the su30, assume same for this su27, I think is an airflow/heat issue. that battery bay offers no where for heat to escape.

@BrianPhillipsRC

Жыл бұрын

We were really happy to report the pack was not destroyed by puffing, OR from nose dive - LOL ;)

Any warrantee for defective material? Looks like the linkage pulled out just when you pulled up on the stick.

@BrianPhillipsRC

Жыл бұрын

Sure, but not sure what we'll do about it, since we have so many planes already. FMS is aware of the issue and working hard to re-double their efforts to avoid this again for another customer ;)

There are A LOT of esc brands that will do thrust reversing, hobbywing being one of them, so check the esc manual. And get yourself a tx16, bit color touchscreen, forward programming, audio and haptic. For 200$