I love this! I think it's so important for people to see not just the successes but also the failures. Failing is a huge part of the scientific process, and for every success, there are at least a few, of not thousands of attempts that didn't make the mark. Thanks for making this video :)

@TalkingSasquach

11 ай бұрын

Thanks!! This project just fought me the whole way but with the tips from all you guys I've got somewhere to go from here! MagSpoof won't get the best of me!

@albanoarapi7801

11 ай бұрын

Definitely the flipper is the tool to learn all these vulnerabilities and exploits and how to protect our selves and companies with that. Is awesome way to learn and understand IOT and how to protect against it sucks flipper get bad rep from fakes wannabes

@MYODM.

9 ай бұрын

until you ask him directly for help and he dont' say nothin lol

I dont have the expertise to add anything but i LOVE this kind of puzzle. Good luck!

Seems like a ground loop problem in the laptop usb picking up some emi. I had an old shuttle minipc system prior that would cause the system not to boot when I had usb drives connected, either a ground loop in the mobo/psu, or back from the usb drive. Eventually replaced the system and haven't run into it again since.

Love your content

How do you install the magspoof app for flipper can you do tutorial?

You didn't buy a whole 'card reader' at 7:00, you brought a payment terminal...

Been trying to get the app to work on my flipper for a min I'm running Xtreme do I need to make a apps data folder for all the saved test cards my app does not have access to any of the assets when I open my saved it shows as empty thanks for all the info and help

Is there a power management profile placed to turn off USB ports? depending on battery level or power source, or is there a fluctuation on the power cable?, also maybe using a diff USB cable that you're using to plug in the reader. I can only imagine that it's a physical issue or a dll issue?, does it look correctly or change at all in the device manager menu?, maybe rollback driver or update driver, , use a USB hub?,very odd but cool thing to notice, good luck.

Edit the config file for the reader in the program directory, also make sure it’s a USB 2.0 port and download the V2 driver set (not V1)

@jmr

11 ай бұрын

Agreed! USB3 is so noisy! It's a common issue for us radio operators.

@TheGeekiestGuy

11 ай бұрын

​@jmr that and damn janky power supplies. I live in Hawaii, and no one but us hams care about the solar systems that are noisy as Hell. Good luck out there. 73 🤙🏽

@jmr

11 ай бұрын

@@TheGeekiestGuy I have a Renogy MPPT charge controller that's very quiet. The only time I had issues was when my battery started dying. Then you could hear RF from the charge controller during charging.

@TheGeekiestGuy

11 ай бұрын

@@jmr I'm betting the Telcom system is going through some battery issues. It isn't the sunniest area. You might have helped a large problem in my life, brother. I hour you're having a good one out there. 🤙🏽

@jmr

11 ай бұрын

@@TheGeekiestGuy Glad that helps! 73

defo the reader or the interference with it not being grounded like people have said. Id say its more likely the reader as i have the exact same one and it reads my cards fine first swipe and in both directions even really fast swipes. id buy a new one and see if there is a difference. Its all based on magnetic fields etc and all cables carrying a voltage/current will have its own magnetic field so it could be interfering. mine has screw holes in the back for mounting you could try and use them for grounding just a thought

Bad ground between laptop and flipper. The charger is increasing the voltage so the gnd is "floating". Pop an extra cable between flippers gnd and lappy gnd.

Maybe has somethihg to do with a safety feature of the mag reader. When plugged to a dedicated power supply it works but it can sense the difference between a computer plug and a dedicated power supply??

Have you looked at the board in the reader? I'd be expecting bad connections.

Sounds like something weird going on with the reader and the way it is handling voltage. Touch input devices can exhibit similar issues.

A few magstripe readers are actually locked by the manufacturers and require that proprietary software. I use that same reader at work and it needs a handshake with the terminal i use and everything gets logged on both ends.

@SUPERNINTENDOHALMERZ

Ай бұрын

Yeah, but we have had the same issues with open readers like the MSR 90s as well

@TheGeekiestGuy

Ай бұрын

@SUPERNINTENDOHALMERZ check the spacing you might need a shim to align the tracks for full read/ write. I forgot to add that. I remember someone going interesting things with a free reader that needed a couple mm of shim and ended up being super useful. All I can remember was it was from like 10 years ago.

Ferrite Bead(s) on the reader cord. Really.

Besides what other users have already told you, i would also check on the Bios of both workstations specially on the laptop's one any feature related to extra DC power through certain USB ports, I know for sure laptops all laptops USB ports have this feature just disable it to see if there;s any difference. Also very important this used to happened to me with the arduino boards on my main linux workstation, check and toggle the usb virtualization module on both Bios its not well known but virtualising usb ports which is done when you play with VM's copntainers, etc or just for wifi shennanigans, like having Mon Mode Activated, well this feature actually tends to corrput certain data or adds exrtra none existent things to data collected, that Y aircrack's forum explicitly states that wiresles testing should neve be done on VMs. And just to cover all possibilities try with different cables and different USB ports, and always make sure that if the device has a usb version 2.0 connected to a 2.0 port do not mix 2.0 with 3.0 or 3.2, and this is for both the flipper and the other testing gear.

Also if you have any power line networking, get that shut off right away, it radiates high levels of RF noise massively. I have a Home Amateur Radio pal nearby that hates my Powerline kit with a deep abiding passion 😂😂. I’m in the UK for reference but the standards are global

where did you get the reader?

Wait a minute. You just gave me an idea. Hopefully this works. Go to power management and look for USB. See if plugged in USB is off and unplugged for USB on? Turn both to be on for USB. Maybe that will work?

It could be the frequency of the mains electricity. US uses 60hz. Other countries use 50hz. Are you using a wi fi mains extender? as this could alter the mains frequency. Not sure where you are based? Hope you find this helpful.

@OneAndOnlyZekePolaris

11 ай бұрын

It could be power settings as USBs can be turned off from there.

My only thought is it's using audio somehow and the power is creating a 60hz hum that's effecting the second track?

Have you tried it on your PC with the power off?

Awesome, I just got one and been doing nothing but failing, save the LEDs

I have a theory that would necessitate the purchase an inline USB Multimeter with a built in display, because I would want to test the connection between the reader and your laptop. You just plug one of those little gizmos into the USB port on your computer, and then you just plug your USB cable and card reader into the multimeter, and then you can go about plugging and unplugging things and watching to see if the voltage or amperage levels go up and down when you’re plugged in or on battery. I’m going to bet that your cheap card reader is a very simple USB 2.0 device without any smart power delivery sensing features, which depending on the way it was implemented, might not be forward compatible with all USB versions newer than USB 2.0. What I think might be happening is that you’re using a USB 3.x port that is able to deliver more power than the old USB 2.0 standard of 5v @ 500 mA, and when you’re plugged into the wall it’s giving you a little extra juice to charge up whatever you’re plugging in. More expensive devices designed after USB 3.X was released know that they might encounter a newer port, so even if they are only able to transfer at USB 2.0 speeds, they will be built to signal back to the host to tell it that it only needs the lower 5v @ 500 mA, or they might even be able to step down the power if it’s more than what they need. Most laptops and Windows are setup to maximize your battery life with aggressive power saving modes, so when you disconnect it from the AC power, your laptop is going into that power savings mode and it only provides the bare minimum amount of power needed for USB 2.0 devices, which is 5v @ 500 mA. Hence the reason your card reader starts working, because it’s finally getting the amount of power it was expecting. I don’t actually own a USB Multimeter, but I just saw that you can actually get a really nicely featured one on Amazon from a seller called MakerHawk, the photos show a device with “Makerfile” printed on it, which could be the OEM that they’re reselling on their store, or that’s who made the DIY parts they’ve assembled into a retail product. I say that It looks like a bunch of other units that I’ve seen before, which are likely based on the same open source project that everyone is using for these things. I’m usually the sort of guy who wouldn’t mind making my own little gizmos if I can source the parts easily enough, but at $20 it’s cheap enough that I’m better off buying it than building one. Anyway, if that doesn’t provide any useful information, then you can try plugging it into a ground lifter (3-prong to 2-prong). That said, I don’t think that would cause it, as most laptop PSUs have at least one or more ferrite filters to clean up the line noise a bit, and by the time it gets to the USB port of your system, any noise from the AC is going to be non-existent because there’s the power delivery section of the motherboard that it has to pass through first, that will smooth any of that stuff out before it reaches the more sensitive components of the system. Your laptop’s BIOS might have some USB power options, and there are some fiddly setting in Windows that control USB power. I can’t think of any that would allow you to control the power delivery of your USB ports-but I just thought of another way you can test my theory for free. You can unplug your laptop and change the power plan settings for Windows so that it will go into the maximum performance mode while on battery, and if your card reader stops working the way it does when it’s connect to AC power, then that’s a pretty solid indicator I was correct. To confirm it with a second test, you can put it into the most aggressive power savings mode while it is still connected to AC power, and if your card reader works then I’m probably right. Good luck, I hope you figure out the issue!

Appears to be noise try wrapping the cable in tin foil and connect it to gnd on your laptop’s usb port

Can you do a video review on Rabbit-Labs™ - Multi Pass MagSpoof Flipper Board please?

@SUPERNINTENDOHALMERZ

Ай бұрын

I have one of those I’m having issues with myself

This is somehow EMI I'm sure. Have you tried ferrite loops?

@PickedItMate

11 ай бұрын

That's also an excellent idea

Id say that's kinda normal? I have an MSR123 and i have pretty good success with that. laptops are weird with how they do power, you may want to look at your power settings, but that may or may not help.

@TalkingSasquach

11 ай бұрын

I'll check that out!

Have you tried it in a room not rammed with RF interference - all the neon/LED/printer going, mic lighting, studio lighting, monitors etc etc etc could well be corrupting the mag field and reader heads. Get as clean a magnetic environment as possible then try again.

@TalkingSasquach

7 ай бұрын

Very good point!

Try a grouded outlet, I had some issues with an SDR receiver where I would start receiving tons of noise once I plug my laptop to power...

@OneAndOnlyZekePolaris

11 ай бұрын

Laptops with no ground doesn't exist in my area. All of the computers here uses 3 prongs cords.

@PickedItMate

11 ай бұрын

​@@OneAndOnlyZekePolarisBut are they plugged direct to wall socket or are they going through a pdu? I'm in the UK and some powerline Ethernet adaptors won't work when they're not plugged directly in to a wall socket because of the rf noise

@OneAndOnlyZekePolaris

11 ай бұрын

@@PickedItMate Both, depends on the user. I am in USA. We do not mix power with ethernet though.

try to change the usb cable, use one with ferrite coil

@jmr

11 ай бұрын

I think he might be able to just add a clip on ferrite loop but that cable looks thin and poorly shielded.

The plug unplug problem definitely seems like a ground loop or other wiring issue. Try taking your laptop to other rooms in the house and plugging it directly into an outlet. No power strip etc. Or try it at a friend's house. If that fixes it, you've got wiring issues in your studio. Get one of those little yellow/orange outlet tester plugs and check. As for the mag reader issues, it seems to me that the way you are holding it up to the reader is putting the generated magnetic field in the wrong plane relative to the read head. Try putting the mag board next to the strip slot. IE oriented so the purple PCB is in the same orientation as if it were a card inserted in the slot of the reader, but just offset by the distance of the spacer on the narrow side of the reader.

@astro-softpaws

11 ай бұрын

hello hello, i made the thing! regarding the magnetic field orientation- i've had lots of success up to an inch away from the read head from various orientations, but i have the most success with both the orientation sas uses in the video and the one you described.

@OneAndOnlyZekePolaris

11 ай бұрын

It could be settings as you can turn the USBs off when plugged in or unplugged.

Use an USB optocoupler for the card reader...

Try a separately powered USB strip

Nice card flip

very nice!

Unplug laptop and bring it outside with card and reader but leave any electronics especially camera or phone and try reading card

Puede que tú tensión del pc funcione más alta. Y para que el electromagnetismo no dañe la tarjeta, o la tarjeta a clonar, por eso te está funcionando con tensión residual. La electrónica funciona así. Saludos

Sounds like a ground issue maybe change cables on the reader

@DJWildBillSC

11 ай бұрын

I might have a reader that you could try. I will have to locate it

Power supplies are noisy (rf) I've found pi4 PSU are suuuuuper noisy and bleed all over my SDR stuff. Grab your hackrf and have a sweep around on sdr# to see what freq the mag emulator is using (without psu plugged in)

Yea that is confusing as hell. Why would less power to the system cause it to scan both tracks?....

@-Troll-

10 ай бұрын

The gnd is floating.

@OneAndOnlyZekePolaris

10 ай бұрын

@@-Troll- Pennywise must of gotten to it.

@-Troll-

10 ай бұрын

@@OneAndOnlyZekePolaris 🤣🤣🤣

Something unrelated, did you play WoW in a guild called Goon Squad?

@sjoervanderploeg4340

11 ай бұрын

Actually, I know what is going on when you connect it to USB with the power connected! There is a ground loop interference or even a DC offset!

@sjoervanderploeg4340

11 ай бұрын

What that means is there is another path to ground!

@TalkingSasquach

11 ай бұрын

Nope! I was in KARF

Janky power supply going on

This is a weird request. you should teach a Udemy flipper class and Obs Class on how to make videos. What all your videos that drop bro

I used to have a device it's called The loop mobile from a Kickstarter until Samsung purchase it it does the same thing. I used to really like that thing into I lost it and then Samsung had a built-in to their phone but then they stop. 👍🏿😷👍🏻🇨🇦🇵🇭🇺🇲

@OneAndOnlyZekePolaris

11 ай бұрын

Kickstarter helped someone steal ideas so I wouldn't trust them.

Try a real cc . ..maybe gift card has 3 tracks..but weird that u unplug n works somewhat lol.

Turn your 5v off in gpio

To much interference with all the electrical stuff around him.

Your videos are good, but you don’t respond..

@OneAndOnlyZekePolaris

11 ай бұрын

He responds though.

What if the reader needs to be grounded?

@TalkingSasquach

11 ай бұрын

It's possible! I'll test everything on a different outlet/breaker

@alexac404

11 ай бұрын

I was gonna comment that too. Plug in the laptop and make sure its grounded

@OneAndOnlyZekePolaris

11 ай бұрын

@@alexac404 Many commenters here said this already, but what I do not see is anyone talking about USB's settings in the Power Management.