you should remove thermal compound completely of CPU and GPU (you can safely use some plastic to scrub it off) as it wont have even contact on the surface and it will make hot spots on die, which can result of overheating and damaging some individual parts on chip itself. Good video overall (dirty chips drive me crazy :D) Cheers.

The fan went crazy because you didn't put the plastic shroud back between the fan and heatsink, so there was no airflow being pulled over the heatsink.

@Supercon57

5 жыл бұрын

When he fired it up and the fans started spinning faster and faster attempting to cool the system down I was like "put the damn lid on, it's not getting airflow" and sure enough he gets an overheating error and still didn't get it...lol

@ohhFIow

5 жыл бұрын

None of this was done properly at all. The fact he said it wasn’t a functional component pissed me off.

@billy-waynejeffcoat4828

5 жыл бұрын

@@ohhFIow well he was partially correct, it wasn't a well thought out component, they should have separated the GPU and CPU sides in the wind tunnel shroud. Air follows the path of least resistance. And since the CPU heatsink was 5x the size of the GPU heatsink with more fins the CPU side was getting between 75-90% of the airflow.

@edstar83

4 жыл бұрын

@hellsent stupid design the fans should be on the heat sink.

Great video and thank you for your time. Crazy how everyone here is knowledgeable yet never post any videos themselves nor have any subscribers. Give credit where credit is due. Great job my friend.

Y'know I find the deeper hardware analysis on the 360s pretty fascinating, especially the very old videos with all sorts of wacky solutions to red rings

@medicalbeverage

3 ай бұрын

Same here actually, it is oddly intriguing.

You shouldn't use a compressor to clean fans. If you must, hold the fan still, don't let it spin free. These fans are built to operate at a specific speed, if you wind them up with compressed air you can do some damage you may also force crap into the fan itself.

Great vid man, I really enjoyed it. Subbed!

Just found your channel today and I am enjoying it.I just Subscribed.keep up the good work.

Just saw your video so I haven't tried it but I'm hoping this will be the fix, thank you for being thorough.

Wanted to say Thank you for this video. It helped me tremendously.

Really enjoy watching your videos

You dont have to spread the thermal paste yourself. When you put the heatsink back on it will squish it.

@Tech101yt

10 ай бұрын

You should always spread the paste when it’s direct die contact. If any amount isn’t fully covered you get hotspots which can kill the chip.

These are the best XBOX 360 repair guides I've ever seen. Most other ones are very vague and difficult to see or understand or outdated.

@legoboy-ox2kx

6 жыл бұрын

The best part is that you're new, so you ask all the right questions.

i wished i saw this before throwing out my 360

There are a lot of Microsoft certified technicians here in the comments xD

@GiantAndShaman

5 жыл бұрын

"Truss me. Im a pro at diss" 😏

Hey guy don't forget to put the screws back into the heat syncs clamps to help hold the heat syncs in place!!!

great video - current have 3 xboxs all with the red ring of death. Gonna try your method but will totally remove the x clamps

You also did the thermal past round. A small bead in the center, that's all you need. You don't spread it around.

@billy-waynejeffcoat4828

5 жыл бұрын

Thermal paste application has been proven it does not matter. As long as the paste isn't electrically conductive you can squirt the entire tube onto the chip and it will cool the same as a small bead. The only difference is one way will make a awful mess.

@adapalis

4 жыл бұрын

@@billy-waynejeffcoat4828 Too much Thermal paste can change it from effective to an actual insulator. A small bead (pea-sized) is all these components need. Thermal paste is designed to fill the microscopic imperfections in the top of the CPU/GPU die and the heatsink, thermal paste isn't designed for thermal cooling it just is used to transfer heat. So using too much can actually cause issues rather than help.

It’s absolutely fine to use polish remover (it’s acetone for the most part). It really helps to clean thermal paste residues.

@smokeinc9800

4 жыл бұрын

thats why i did on my rx 580 lol i dint know why im watching this i dont even have a xbox anymore

@ilyakuznetsov6462

4 жыл бұрын

@@smokeinc9800 I usually play these videos on a background while doing stuff. It's relaxing.

Hi RetroRepairs, I am curious on to why we wouldn't want to use flux around the CPU and GPU when heat with the heatgun to melt down the solder to reflow it? Why would we only use a heatgun?

@RetroRepairs

4 жыл бұрын

You probably could, but you'll have a hard time getting it under the whole chip

@brycethecoder9023

4 жыл бұрын

@@RetroRepairs Good point. So I just picked up an xbox360 that has the red ring of death with the error code indicating it has the CPU/GPU hardware failure. So I am going to try and "reflow" it back. From your experience now, what do you think the best way to fix this issue? Should I just simply use my heatgun on the CPU and GPU on a flat surface? Or is there better methods now?

@brycethecoder9023

4 жыл бұрын

I've also seen people purposefully overheat their CPU and GPU, what are your thoughts on that?

@brycethecoder9023

4 жыл бұрын

@@RetroRepairs Hey RetroRepairs! I am excited because I just reflowed my first xbox360 today! It's working great now! I followed you video except I went extremely slower with the temp. I heated both CPU and GPU for around 4minutes on a lower heat at around 700F. Thanks for your great repair videos and inspiring me to do the same! :)

I have put a lot of thought and reserch into this ball grid array [BGA] failure problem. Another KZreadr Louis Rossmann claims that the problem is that the chips are manufactured poorly. The action of heating up and cooling the chip shifts things around in the chip and temporarily fixes it. I however have a different theory. Rosen flux is a high impedance conductor. It causes mischief in high impedance circuits. As the flux dries out the impedance drops. This results in shorts in the BGA. I believe it is likely you did not do any reflowing because solder needs flux to liquefy and bond properly. Louis Rossmann uses AMTEC NC-559-V2-TF tacky flux on his SMD repairs. I wouldn't attempt any reflow without flooding the chip with that stuff. I still need to come up with a way to remove the flux. Probably mineral spirits followed by alcohol. Enjoyed the tour inside the Xbox 360.

@Loke6661666246

4 жыл бұрын

Louis Rossmann is the man.

@guganotubo

4 жыл бұрын

Sounds like you're mixing two misconceptions together. Louis has been very clear about this actually. Nothing to do with solder joints that you can see without permanently ripping the die off the interposer. Ball grid array does not fail in this application. It's the FC-BGA (flip chip - bump grid array) manufacturing that's at fault. The chip die has microscopic pads that are populated with thousands of ~50-100 micron metal alloy particles (bumps). The thing gets pressed against ('welded') the interposer PCB, and cemented in place. That's the connection that eventually fails due to inadequate cementing material (not stable enough withing the package's thermal envelope).

Did he forget too clean the heatsinks from old termopasta?

I mean damn he tried y’all, it was his first time ever repairing a 360. We all have to learn somehow!

@nbbrand2487

3 жыл бұрын

yeah but we don't call our screw-ups 'how to' or put made-up bs into a 'tutorial'

@snxphy

3 жыл бұрын

the problem is calling this how to fix when you dont know anything about the console. ive worked on tons of xbox 360s and im still not perfect so i dont make videos and if i did id only do it on things i know for sure.

@MichaelJimenez10

3 жыл бұрын

KrakdenBen sometimes we look for advice and it’s not always the best. Family, Friends, KZreadrs etc. Its life. We all learn from our mistakes.

are those caps from below the IC in good condition?? they look inflated...

a T8 will take out every single screw on the board also take out the black screws first, so that the board isnt hanging by the heatsink

Did the console ever break on you? Has it been working fine ever since? Did you sell it? Or just haven't used it in a while.

@RetroRepairs

6 жыл бұрын

TechThatYT this particular one has been working, but I don't really use it. With heavy use, it probably won't hold up permanently

It's amazing how fast the fan got. It got loud fast to

Couple of suggestions: don't use air from an air compressor to clean electronics. Not only can there be moisture present in the compressor, but it can send a static charge to the components ruining them. I have an electric duster for electronics that works really well. The thermal compound doesn't need to be smeared; just put a little drop in the middle and when you install the heatsink, it will spread. This does require some eyeballing to get the correct amount, but if you spread it, you run the risk of high and low spots. The low spots will prevent proper contact and can cause overheating. The overheating may not be apparent in a short play time, but perhaps an hour+ you could have overheating issues. Some people shit on you for the heat gun thing, and to be honest it's not a terrible idea. I've never done it because I don't trust it 100%. I think you'd be better off with the oven method. My understanding is, is that it's more reliable and even works better.

@Randy-cf4ve

6 жыл бұрын

Just your regular oven in your kitchen. Look it up.

@sobolanul96

6 жыл бұрын

I have been using an air compressor with a moisture filter for more than a decade. Static charge? Nonsense. you only get static if you sandblast the thing. You don't need a lot of air pressure to clean a motherboard and I don't see how a radiator will get damaged by compressed air. The heat gun is a brute force approach but it works most of the times. People often fall in the trap of buying special dedicated equipment which costs an arm and a leg when there is really no need for it, especially for hobby work

@sonicisnotasimp675

6 жыл бұрын

Randy hey fellow Futurama fan :)

@MrDeadmanwalken1

6 жыл бұрын

Randy most electronics now use esd protection relays. I'm a computer technician. Never had a single issue using air compressors or compressed air cans . he would need a solder reflow station not a "oven" which involves a heat gun soldering iron and solder vacuum. A magnafication camera and special clips attached to mechanical arms. . Also he followed the recomended instructions given by 100% of thermal compound manufactures they recommend tinning both the heatsync and cpu before joining them for maximum coverage and even spread to reduce air between the cpu and heatsync using only the weight of the heatsync is bull and cant guarentee full coverage of the dies unless you over apply the amount of compound which then gets on the mobo or socket and other components which is unnecessary and reckless especially if you're like me and use liquid metal or electro thermal nano silver conductive thermal compounds such as artic silver 5.

@MikeL-FL

5 жыл бұрын

I use my compressor to blow out everything. Never had an issue, and for most stuff I use fairly high pressure. At least 50psi for computer stuff. It works fine. Anybody with a compressor should also have a drier on the hose. I use mine for painting, so it goes without saying, but even for stuff like a rachet or grinder you should use dry air to prevent corrosion.

I found out a way to fix the the Xbox 360 slim’s red ring/dot of death.... instead of spending close to $50 on repair parts/tools.....what you do is take everything apart, take the motherboard out, rip out the wiring of all the hardware components, including inside the disk drive, once the motherboard is fully exposed, break it it half with brute force and throw everything in the trash and just stick with Xbox one, since Xbox 360 was just a faulty failed system to begin with... I hope this helps anyone experiencing the same problem, if you want you can take the extra step and take everything outside in a metal trash bin, pour gasoline over everything, completely soaking it, then light it on fire, you’ll feel better afterward. Justice served for a crappy Microsoft product

that xbox is a newer one. the older ones have a third heatsink that branches off the smaller of the two heatsinks. as well as having only an A\V adapter while newer ones have both A\V and HDMI.

@billy-waynejeffcoat4828

5 жыл бұрын

Nothing of what your saying makes much sense.

RIP when he applied the thermal paste lmaoooo

Add an extra fan and attache it to the big radiator. Just like is on a computer, directly on it. It will save it

Someone asked me if I was overheated because it was summer and I responded with "um, excuse me? I’m not a RROD Xbox 360! I am a wall!"

i did this a few times years ago but it kept going back to red ring i even got an amazing clear case and LED lights but just back to red ring, so dumped it.

that motherboard is pretty rare. if it is non-hdmi and doesn't have the block in the middle of the power socket, it's an opus motherboard which could only be obtained through warranty returns on non-hdmi models around 2008 edit: nevermind, that board has an ANA chip instead of the HANA chip on boards after the xenon. it probably just had its power plug mangled by someone to remove the block.

@LightningCat124

10 ай бұрын

Its a 16.5 amp someone probaly broke the pin off 16.5 amp is xenon 14.2 is opus

Like your video very much thanks

Great Vid

nice video!

I have an old xbox 360 that I tried to fix a while back. I tried to replace the compound on it but now it's fans go on at full power and it flashes 2 lights then shuts down do you know a fix?

@timivetun7172

6 жыл бұрын

Do i have to use arctic silver compound?

@billy-waynejeffcoat4828

5 жыл бұрын

Also stop using Arctic silver 5. They're are better and cheaper pastes that don't have that 100 hour break in period of Arctic silver 5.

Wow, that fan was going to shoot into orbit. It's still overheating.

You needed to clean better the cpu and the gpu, they have to shine like a mirror.. I know is not easy, but with patience you can do it, and later.. the heatsinks have old thermal paste too.. you need to remove it so the new thermal paste can work well. I did it with two 360, and now they are working like a champ.

@edstar83

4 жыл бұрын

The fans should be on the heat sink.

Solid controller skin

Why do they put something into the device if it´s not a functional part ? I just don´t get it... It cannot be for design reasons for it sits inside the x-box...

And what you did with the heat gun was just wrong...

@dev8763

3 жыл бұрын

Why?

This x360 still working today? (2021)

Great video🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂

you are the best

You missed the second thermal paste. Also even if you did it’s also worth reapplying. Also, clean everything, before assembly. Save you time and effort.

No replacement calmp , average run time 1-6 months , if your lucky , most failed after a week , I use to make a custom clamp , ( vise ) and it was the only thing that gave long run times .FYI didn't heat sink properly , it will over heat ..

well good job repairing the rrod! Microsoft is crazy ;D

@RetroRepairs

7 жыл бұрын

The Classic Gamer Dude thanks. Definitely a lot different from what I usually work on. The components inside are crazy small, with the exception of the electrolytic capacitors, not much on the board is serviceable.

*hey did you know they make a special tool to open the case*

@DJEevee257

4 жыл бұрын

He said he didn't have the tool. Specifically mentioned it. Listen again.

You're supposed to change the X clamps for screws and washers so it gives the Xbox a chance to survive lol other than that good repair! I did 3 Xboxs this way 2 with rrod and one with e74 error. The last I'd flashed the disc drive so I was desperate to fix that one lol

@erick3003lel

5 жыл бұрын

No, using that method just kills the xbox faster the problem isnt space between the cpu on the heatsink, the problem is too much heat from the cpu/gpu and too little air pishing out the heat

@droksbeel

Жыл бұрын

Bolt mod 💀

“Can really hear that fan speeding up” No shit. That’s what happens when you don’t install the damn shroud! Not a functional part he claims. Of course it’s a functional part! Do you drive your car without a shroud? And then he figures out, duh, it’s overheating because I didn’t install the shroud. 🙄😵

Dying gpu and cpu reflows are not really fixes it may fix it for a week but it will die again but red ring of deaths dont always mean gpu cpu like people tend to think it can actually be many other things like ram capacitors for the power management assuming its way before it gets to cpu and gpu but is on tbe same line it will cuz a red ring it was possible to fix ps3 yellow light of death by replacing the capicitors and i think it was with tantalum capictors and it fixes it the capicitors im talking about that needed replacing sometimes were big ones amd they look more like chips but they arnt i imagine xbox also has simmilar issues like that were a capictor replacement with tantulums will work

Seems easy enough but I don't know if my xbox will come back to life

RetroRepairs I saw nothing wrong with the video. Most of these criticisms are coming from backyard technicians that have no idea of what they're talking about aside from what they've read in a forum from other backyard techs that heard it from other backyard techs that made up some bull. So continue on with the videos you're doing fine.

If I had an Xbox, I would add a water cooling system and an air filter

if my xbox 360 gives me the red ring of dead its not completely red just 3 lights if it are not 3 light its all fine you just need new stuff without doing so much but if i get it its like okey its dead well lets play other games on the xbox one i should tell dad later.

i give that system 1 month ot live.. @AndehX is right, heatguns are not for the RRoD. But here is a useful tip for that dvd drive: that band that you mentioned in your first video, remove that and boil it for about 2-4 minutes.. clean the inside of the disk drive and 9/10 times the drive wont get stuck at all ;)

And when it comes to the paced you were spreading right now that thermal paste he put a dollop pea-sized amount of thermal paste or coin combo Creole of paste in the center of the chip And that is plenty of paste and you don't have to spread it around the minute you put the heat sink to it it will surface itself perfectly fine you don't need to spread it around spreading it around defeats some of the purpose it will not get into all the crevices I don't know why people do things that they don't know or didn't research about how to do it there are so many videos out there that you can research on how to do these things and you didn't do it

very silly to openly use a heatgun on a board like that. It's very likely that not enough heat was getting under the chip to reflow the solder, and all you did essentially was put unnecessary heat stress on the board for nothing. The only way to reflow those chips properly is to use a reflow station. Also, you should never manually spread thermal paste. That's how you end up with tiny air bubbles that get trapped and prevent heat dissipation. Always let the weight of the heatsink spread the paste for you.

@RetroRepairs

6 жыл бұрын

AndehX this isn't intended to be a guide for repair shops. It's a cheap way to get a bit more time out of a $50 console using basic tools. So far, no issues with this particular console.

@AndehX

6 жыл бұрын

I understand that, and that's fair enough, but things like manually spreading thermal paste can be avoided to potentially give the console a slightly longer life. Plus theres the chance that other people who are less educated, may think these methods should be replicated, which would be bad

@MrHunterseeker

6 жыл бұрын

I built my gaming PC in 2011 and manually spread thermal paste on the processor like shown in the video with the plastic spreader that came with the paste. Pea sized amount and spread it so thin it was almost see through. No problems with over heating in 6 years. Tell me again how manually spreading is somehow the wrong way to do it.

@RetroRepairs

6 жыл бұрын

I'm also fairly sure the general directions provided by paste manufacturers suggest spreading manually, but I could be wrong. Perhaps using the pressure of the clamps is best practice, but I've only ever seen spreading with a spreader of some type

@AndehX

6 жыл бұрын

If you take a second to think about it logically, allowing the paste to cover the chip itself via heatsink pressure ensures that it fills any tiny crevices in the heatsink. If you just dump the heat sink on top of pre-spreaded paste, theres no chance for the paste to fill those tiny crevices because it's already been spread thin. Oh and MrHunterseeker, My mum has smoked cigarettes for 40 years and doesn't have lung cancer, therefor smoking doesn't cause cancer. See how irrelevant your comment is now?

Is this a big problem ?

@chase7974

5 жыл бұрын

Of course.

@mzdavijo

3 жыл бұрын

DOI ITS RROD

HEY got Andy Xbox 360s you done want??? P. S. If ur having trouble witha rrod Xbox 360 let me unos i fixed one before

i cringed when he was spreading the thermal compound. also bend the x clamps a little bit. also 2 lights just means the console overheated.

Is no one gonna comment on the fact he called thermal paste sodder

oh and it did not even make the end of the video!

Sir 4rings red light mines

I'm going to tell you what you did wrong there you didn't use any flux when you heat it up those chips the fox would have helped the sodder reconnect that was your first mistake second mistake was using a regular heat gun instead of using any hot air station heat gun is not concentrated enough and you could do more damage to the board then you need to you obviously have never done this before

Any*

the heat gun is just a temp fix. the chips are dead and the heat from the heat gun fixes the chip momentarily so it works for 10 to 30 times then it rrod's again a reflow station doe's the same thing if the solder points broke on a system it would totaly be dead because all patrs need power for it to work and sinds there is a broken connection it cant turn on. sme thing with the towel trick overheating the system for an hour then try again it would not get enough heat to melt the solder it would just heat the dead chip to a point that it would work again. how do i now that? look at video's of lois rossman about apple repairs there he explains all about it. dont say yeah thats a mac not an xbox a board is a board.

Xbox36 its really a mess to open xD

I cringed when you tried (and failed) to scrape the thermal paste off. Use rubbing alcohol.

@nonamesleft136

4 жыл бұрын

I work IT for corporate clients who paid to have us Dell certified. What does Dell send with motherboard replacements? Wipes soaked in rubbing alcohol and strips of thermal paste. Remove the old stuff and apply new.

20:49

Jesus, yall are ruthless in this comment section. Let the man live lol. I do have a question... when you buy this sort of stuff online, what do you type in to search for it on ebay?

@TheDragonballboy

5 жыл бұрын

Cora Musgrave usually just type in these key terms, "not working" "for parts" "broken". They're usually helpful.

I'd like your videos more if you weren't so repetitive about the most insignificant elements. We don't need to know 20 times that someone has tried to get in the console.

Amen I just got mine from ebay

Please, I know you're not the only person doing this, but please stop instructing people to use heat guns on ICs. Rework stations are cheap enough these days. I understand that you may not care if you do more damage to these boards than is necessary, but these devices may be around for decades longer with more fixes along the way. I speak from personal experience. I reball PS3 GPUs and can't tell you how frustrating it is when I open up a system just to see that it's popcorned, or worse, when I reball a GPU just to find that it's already been cooked by some idiot doing exactly what you're doing. I'm not saying you're an idiot, I enjoy many of your videos, but this method IS idiotic.

@kittehkreeper3854

5 жыл бұрын

I still have my original ps3 .. it’s gpu died, I could never find someone who knew how to fix it, and I don’t have enough experience. My brother and I cried over the ps3, our favorite game was little big planet. How in the hell did you fix that?!

@RetroRepairs

5 жыл бұрын

How original

@B3Band

5 жыл бұрын

You must be new to KZread, so let me help you. The vast majority of people watching this will never repair a circuit board in their entire lives. In fact, a large percentage of people watching have never even owned an Xbox. We just like watching skilled people do cool shit. Relax.

@Superman-xr1oh

5 жыл бұрын

@Dylan Fuck off. Don't like it, don't watch.

@Tedybear315

5 жыл бұрын

@@Superman-xr1oh Much like your comment...... Dylan is right. If you want to see how a GPU should be reflowed- Then watch Louis Rossmann when he re-balls Apple chips..

After one month and dead ring back . that is not solution . red ring it mean death console . this is not a permanent solution.

@TechThatYT

6 жыл бұрын

szaber25 dcmaniak wtf is a death console

@soundblaster2k

6 жыл бұрын

TechThatYT they obviously meant "dead console".

bad work realy bad work dfidnt fully clean the cpu and gpu die didnt clean the old paste from heatsinks could have scrubbed it with somthink plastic didnt install the fan shroud correctly and thats not a proper reflow of solder balls the u need a proper heat gun and flux to do it the corect way

@LemmeSquish

3 жыл бұрын

Hmm solder balls have nothing to do with it. The real problem is the GPU, just replace it with a new one of the same specs and you'll be good for a year or two.

this was probably the worst designed console ever made. none of these "fixes" are long term.

@arockdasupa9401

4 жыл бұрын

Facts!

You extended the life of the console by about a couple of weeks. Using a heat gun on any motherboard is a very bad idea. Why do you think measures are there to protect components against heat? I hope you didn't think about reselling the console as your basically advertising yourself as a conman.

@RetroRepairs

5 жыл бұрын

No, I've still got them. As you mentioned, it's not really a great permanent method, but can help revive your system in a pinch. These are mainly parts machines now.

Definitely not a proper long term fix! One might get lucky trying this but it will not last. Having a professional do a proper reball job on the main chips is the only long term fix that will work. Using a heat gun can easily damage more than it will fix nor is there any way to tell if you did it properly or not since you are basically taking a shot in the dark without having thermal information of the board shown in any way. Just beware this is not sound information for Xbox 360 consoles. The rest about cleaning the internals from dust is fine and necessary if your console looks anything like the dust buildup that this one had.

Upside to your videos - that they are repair videos. Downside: Your practice is very bad. Research and understand the hardware that you are working on. Mechanical drives need white lithium grease along the rails, and this method of reflow damages the boards, rather than fixes them. Look at what heat does to wood over time, for a simple study. Please work on this, before your circle of influence learns tech advice, the WRONG way.

@shannonsaoirse8443

6 жыл бұрын

lianac do you fix gaming consoles for a living?

Completely irresponsible video. Never use a heat gun to heat up a motherboard. You will expand it unevenly causing expansion damage. If you want to get into electronic repair, invest in the equipment, you'll make your money back.

@camachogaming1968

6 жыл бұрын

Zooumberg all I needed to do is take the front off and put it back on but first you unplug it

Great vid man, I really enjoyed it. Subbed!