I had a live lesson with Milo last week. I’m 60, golfing at a high level most of my life. It’s was the best lesson I have had in a long time. Milo is a great guy!

I've struggled with whipping the club inside my whole life and this is the first video I've ever seen that explains how to actually correct it and why it's so important. Watching this and the following videos was like looking in a mirror... even the sh*nks. Keeping the face on plane like Milo describes has been what I've been struggling with in my own coaching sessions and this made it all "click". thank you so much for this!

Great video Brandon......Best part is the split screen shot of you and Milo club parallel to the ground....your arms are separating away from your chest....Milo's arms arms are laying on his chest as he pivots back ensuring his hands move on a circle and 90 degrees to his spine, he has a very powerful pivot driven swing with almost no compensations needed back and through.....the title of this video is right on get the takeaway mastered like his and one is well on their way to Better Golf Thanks to you all for taking the time to produce this

@BEBETTERGOLF

3 жыл бұрын

Yep. U nailed it

@cjlawrence6867

3 жыл бұрын

@@BEBETTERGOLF Love your content with Milo Thx again for the effort

You should really dig into this since, as you said, so many golfers have problems with the takeaway (myself included) and it can completely wreck the rest of your swing. I’d like to see more content about this specific topic.

Very helpful. Superb decision to focus on the hinge aspect of the takeaway. Great stuff, Brendan.

Great video. I was confused between cocking my wrists away or hinging, like Milo said the important part is to not roll your forearms while hinging. Look forward to the next video

Your Eric Miechtry taught you how to stay on plane by hugging the left peck with your left bicep. The smash factor does not improve without this move. You just didn't do it & stuck with your same old swing. Some of my past instructors don't push the change because I resisted their direction. Your time with Mike Malaska, he showed you the right wrist hinge that Brooks Koepke in order that the club face is always perpendicular to the target line going back & through. Again you resisted & stuck with your swing. Truthfully your swing has looked the same throughout all the instructors you videotaped with. I was amazed at your shock in this video that Milo was insisting you weren't doing (wrist hinge). But your work helped me go from shooting in the high 90s to the low 80s. Thank you for that.

Loved that Brendan some great points , something I've been feeling but you've verbalise it really well 👍

One of the most interesting video I have seen indeed. Thank you for your insights and the great teachers you bring on

So Good! I’ve had tendencies to do exactly what you do Brenden and it did needed to be explained more thoroughly and I get it now but need to do it! Thanks 🙏

Awesome lesson very detailed. Yours are the best and indeed understand real golfer...keep it up

Just had an in-person lesson with Milo and this was a big part of it.

Great video. Very insightful to pick apart the takeaway vs same ole same ole.

This take away motion combined with the way Mike Malaska talks about it has completely transformed my golf game. I used to roll my wrists and hinge with the club face wide-open at first parallel and now I basically just take it back and keep the face square to path and I’m hitting like 70% fairways and greens now. Cogorno talks about it too.

@maralvor

3 жыл бұрын

Excellent Jesse! May I ask where Mike M covers this please? I have his book and seen lots of his videos. My takeaway has been faulty for a long time!

This video really gives the difference of feel needed for you (more radial deviation) vs. Milo (pure extension). This takeaway seems to be a very common problem and is mine as well. Thanks for drilling deep on this

I have just stumbled on this video but a great big thanks I suffered from the same thing as you and never realized my mistake until now and thanks

Yes!!!! Such a brilliant channel thank you

Funny that you posted this yesterday. Yesterday morning I was messing around with this style of takeaway for the first 4-5 holes and hit beautiful straight shots with driver and irons. But it feels weird if you've never done it like this. On the 6th hole I switched back to my normal forearm roll L to L takeaway and stated spraying the ball. So I need to practice Milo's takeaway and ingrain it.

Awesome explanation of the wrist movement! I’ve always fought that, never knowing exactly what to do. That clears it up quite nicely!

@gabardjean-paul3779

3 жыл бұрын

It does indeed !

I've been working on this for months on my own and really felt like it's the key to consistent ball striking. I'm glad this video confirms i was on the right track. My backswing "feels" like it only has flexion/extension of the wrists even though there is going to be some amount of radial deviation. But for me personally if i feel radial deviation happening something has gone very wrong and I hit the ball poorly. As with most things in golf it's a feel isn't real situation so it can be very confusing at first.

Thanks Brendan. Great stuff on takeaway. Maybe this is too simple but for me the checkpoint is at P2, the shaft is parallel and just in front of my toe line and leading edge of the club is matching my spine angle (toe down). From there back it just feels like I’m turning and rotating the forearms just enough so the butt of my club is pointing towards the target line

The absolute best video you all have done!

brandon, what i found helped me is i'm keeping my bicep of my left arm a bit tighter to my torso then rotate back my left shoulder back and down and hip rotation and the arms seem to go to a good spot on their own and the wrists seem to cock nicely w/o too much thought, it's working for me. you guys are great with all the help, thnx.

@drkside53

3 жыл бұрын

Spot on 👍

thank you so much Brandon. I'm glad to find you with Milo!!

@BEBETTERGOLF

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

Hi,it’s always amazing to see how one person little problem is anther person no problem ,or how most off us have the same big problems.just like real life.thank you

I am so not taking the club back on plane this has really helped and explained it well - thanks

Good video Milo. A coach, Joe Dante, promoted this over 60 yrs ago with his teaching of an early wrist hinge. However, the biggest mistake many amateurs make is they also rotate the left forearm excessively which puts the club behind them and too deep, which causes so many problems. Another good video to watch is the Nick Faldo early wrist set drill. Keep up the good work.

@benjaminhogan3157

2 жыл бұрын

If you follow the diagram in Dante's book, you'll have the correct wrist break. That book is an old, great classic that help me more than all these YT videos.

That little move is so huge the impact zone so sweet now. Love these magic moments..

I’m guessing that if you keep the club head outside your hands on the take away things will quickly improve. This was a great video discussion on this topic.

Wow Brandon, you sure have come along way from the early days, hang in there bud your gonna get it !

Completely agree.I have this issue but my (excellent) teacher in the UK (Peter Thompson)is focusing not just on the hinge but on other elements which have a significant impact-address,hip turn to allow shoulders to rotate(eg elements which discourage this destructive move).There is much more to this than just getting the hinge correct,although naturally that is the end result.

His arms look a lot more connected than yours do in the first part of the takeaway. I think that’s very important to notice along with the wrist hinge you guys were talking about.. He can almost pinch a softball between his arms and you can fit a basketball between yours. Love all of your videos. Always great information.

Great insight and comment Steven O'sullivan. Brandon's arms looks like he is carrying a bag of groceries in comparison to Milo's that are tucked into his body in the takeaway. Brandon started (and still does to some degree) use his hands and arms too much. Evidence of that is seen in his downswing where he comes over the top. However, I have noticed that Brandon is getting that under control a little better.

Nice work Brendon. Same issue. Scheduled to see Milo on Thursday morning.

That’s awesome I always have tried to hinge up thinking I was keeping clubhead in front of hands and I always was inconsistent striker just tried Milos technique and strikes where way more consistent

I feel sometimes you try to walk the middle lane when really you need to find the form & technique that is YOUR optimum. For example take a look at John Daly from down-the-line, he does precisely what you say not to do in this video. Whereas someone like Dustin Johnson does what you describe on parallel. Whether it comes inside or outside is irrelevant unless it matches your optimum dynamics for your swing as a whole. The way I worked out my optimum techniques for my swing was years ago with the advent of slo-mo camera functionality on smartphones - I slo-mo'd my swing from face-on and DTL using every different form & technique. It quickly became apparent what grip, take-away, backswing plane, swing length, ball position etc was optimum FOR ME. Then it was just a case of getting fitted for optimum clubs (hugely underrated by many) and then playing more - specifically learning to 'score'.

It would help if camera was place in line with your alignment stick/target line... but I suffer from this too so great vid

This takeaway was a game changer for me. Now I hinge like Milo does (and increase trail wrist extension in DS) and I finally have lag/forward shaft lean/compression.

Your right arm needs to be straight forming a triangle until you get to parallel, it’s as simple as that. Your only swing thought until you get it down should be this. Milo is a little steep but that’s his thing and it works for him because he is aware of where the face is.

@bigwill6974

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah. I wonder if the club would suck inside as quickly if his right arm didn’t so much so soon.

@ddrummer1821

3 жыл бұрын

There's also a little bonus you get called width.

@tomsettles6873

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed. Mile is really steep.

I had a really crappy takeaway, that had similarities to yours. What I would do is break the wrist in the takeaway. Now I have a one piece looking takeaway like Milo's, and it feels and looks absolutely great. I can actually golf now. Like really golf. With power. So here's what I did. I felt pressure with my hands pulling away from each other in opposite directions. That in turn puts the handle of the club right in my fingers. Milo says he feels a hinge, but mine looks pretty similar to Milo's and I don't really feel like I hinge at all. However, I start with the club less forward pressed. But yeah put some pressure to the right with right hand and to the left with the left hand. Also it will pull that shoulder into that nice tucked position against the side of the chest. But to get into these positions you need pressure in opposite directions that makes the elbows feel like their pulling toward each other. They don't pull toward each other because you maintain that pressure, but I think it is what Ben Hogan is talking about in the 5 lessons book. But it didn't make sense in that book, because just because you put pressure in some direction, it doesn't mean that Ben Hogan's elbows were right next to each other like in the picture. But yeah you NEED TO FIX THAT TAKEAWAY, or truly, nothing else matters. No shoulder turn, no power, and no control. I really hope you get it. I finally did, and golf is fun now, because I can smash it,and break par.

You should look at Bobby Lopez and Monte Schoenblum again, and what they say about taking the clubshaft straight back. Don't think about wrist hinge at all, it happens naturally if you keep your wrists loose. Do a one piece takeaway and when your hands pass your rear leg, flex your trail arm and let it come off your chest so that it goes back parallel to the target line as you continue to rotate. When you feel your wrists passively hinge, you are at the top in a good position.

I really have to look at this. Two things that pop to mind that aren't even the main talking point--What's called ulna deviation at address (I've never done this), and the getting more swing because I'm loosening my grip on the club. I love how Be Better Golf keeps searching for golf's holy grail. I would guess one either finds it, or most likely, ends in total frustration.

I just got back from the range and added about a club to my distance. The difference was the hinge and my foot placement. I used that hinge move you are talking about.....but my feet were turned out.....right foot less than 45 degrees and the left foot 45 ish. The rest of my swing is the same. It forced my right knee to NOT hinge inward but to my left on the backs swing(I was rolling my knee to the left as I started the back swing). Instead my knee stayed in line or maybe a bit right during the back swing. It was way easier to drive the swing with my right leg. I got more power during the swing. It sounds hard to understand reading it back....but that worked for me. Sorry for the long comment:(

Notice how much closer Milo’s elbows are, more of a triangular unit. That’s probably the key to think about. Many great golfers maintain that arms unit throughout the swing, Harvey Pennick had his pupils use a band above the elbows, I think Hogan mentions a belt, and Henry Cotton attributed a lot of his success to double jointed elbows that meant he could keep his elbows very close. And many LPGA players.

Hi there, Milo takes a twist up around a solid spine . The also solid arms triangle spirals around the spine from doing what you're missing l think . Counter balance the arms triangle like the shotput to the deep top . Takes longer but the twist up spiral has Milo's key, the club face is parallel to the spine. I have to concentrate hard to keep the turn going , at times better left for a new day . Thanks for the always interesting content , l will be looking forward to your development in the T/A.

I have the same problem..long and left. And I’ll hit flat out hooks with my hybrid and 3-wood. Since incorporating this hinge along with a shorter backswing, more rotation and getting my right arm more under my ball striking is way better. Way less misses left. Thx for the video.

@BEBETTERGOLF

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks

I recall some time ago I saw Milo point out that any "delayed release", a concept and term I hate, seen in a good golf swing, is almost entirely right wrist extension and not radial. One of tbe most important things I've ever seen a coach say. When I see steep downswings I'm seeing radial. I think players seek out a look of delayed release by going radial. And that's not it.

Take a look at the split screen with you and Milo that begins around 9:29. I think the difference between your swings has less to do with wrist angles (although I think your hands are a little overactive right off the ball) and has more to do with your arms working separately from your chest. This is apparent in the split screen image. Look at the gap between your left arm and your chest as compared to Milo. Now imagine what would happen to the swing path of your hands if you closed that gap. The obvious drill would be to put something in your left armpit, a headcover...., and keep it there through the beginning of your backswing until you get the feeling of keeping the club in front of your chest.

Is the driver takeaway the same procedure as the irons? Thanks for the great vids... appreciate the assist...

Brilliant!

great info. thanks

Cant wait for the next video!

One of the best instructors in the world getting a lesson. Even the Pope goes to confession!

@seth1455

3 жыл бұрын

not sure he was expecting to be placed in that position, but lets see how the rest of the lesson pans out

Ive suffered from Brendanitus,ive improved it with a better set up ( this is a major problem for most golfers as they are right eye dominant),a faster better initial body turn giving me the space to push down on the handle rather than grab up and focussing on loading/releasing the center of the shaft

Hi Brandon ty for this. Funny enough this was my swing like 12 years ago for a period. I believe Milo employs what homer kelley calls angled hinge release. However my left wrist could not take the lack of rotation through impact and I injured it. So ditched this release - maybe through the ball I should have found a way to let my L wrist roll. I believe this release works better with a strong grip to prevent strain on the left wrist. Was "hitting" really well but it also suits the stronger player and feels more like a piston firing (very rigjt sided) than a swing . I would very much like to know how this compares to a more "Swing" approach like Malaska swing best shown in his L to L drill series and lesson with monica.

great job pausing this and going more in-depth explanation!

So happy for you that you’re finally fixing your takeaway. I hope this journey lets you appreciate guys like Malaska, Lines, and Keel that teach based on swing planes and face angles that makes sense to people that took a geometry course rather than charlatans like Scheinblum, Luczak, and Lopez that teach based on religion and wives tales.

B, in that comparison photo of you and Milo, look at the difference between you in terms of the gap between your elbows. If you feel your elbows a bit closer together, that will promote the proper wrist conditions. Just my $.02.

Very good, thank you

LOVE this video. Just so you know, you weren't "hitting it really good", you were "hitting it really well". ;)

@shug2795

Жыл бұрын

I have a LOT of work to do! Thank you!!

@shug2795

Жыл бұрын

Currently in AZ. If you ever need a "victim" to do a vid on a "mature" golfer (68) that has arthritis in his back and a horribly pitiful swing sequence, I'm you guy!!! 🤣

Great topic. I still find Milo explanation a tad confusing. I think in some cases less anatomical referencing keep it simple and stupid will resonate with the target crowd. I also think hinge is different for everyone. Alot of very good players don't even think about it, it's natural. It's something I struggled with in the past. One thing I try to do in the takeaway is keep the club head outside my hands and this seems to keep me on plane, it lets me natural hinge and I know when I'm doing it because my downswing has freedom and the green light to go.

Excellent video! Is it possible to have a front side view to show what left hand is doing?

Brendan, thanks to your channel I found great teachers and am confirmed in the Mike Austin method since 2 years ago. I had takeaway apprehension and eventually eliminated the first 14 or so inches by applying Joe Dante’s Early Backward Wrist Break. Performed correctly ala the guidelines Milo prescribes it’s hard not to get it right. On top of all the good things Dante says will happen by applying EBWB, it allows me to soften (not relax) the entire power package for a tremendous feel of a powerful whipping action (or right hand throwing as Austin says) through the shot. (Mike M, Tony, Monte and others too really helped open my eyes.) Aside from the EBWB, I’m all Austin and I’d be curious to know if anyone has any negative response to EBWB. Mike himself demonstrates a very similar action when breaking down the takeaway action but says the action should be smooth and occur a bit later... a point at which for me may have already caused problems. Milo’s comments on EBWB would be great!

@BEBETTERGOLF

3 жыл бұрын

Link? To the backward wrist drill

@penguingolf2805

3 жыл бұрын

No link that I’ve found worthwhile. “The Four Magic Moves to Winning Golf.” Joe Dante, 1966. He states: 1. "Sets you in the proper hand/wrist position early. (All you have to do is hold it.) 2. Everything you have to do with the hands and the club, in the way of manipulation, is done early and in your full view. 3. Gives you the feeling that you have plenty of time to go to the top and come down. 4. Starts your swing in the right plane. 5. Brings the right elbow in immediately. 6. Prevents a "bouncing" clubhead at the top. 7. Tends to shorten the swing, thereby providing a brace against overswinging. 8. Gives you a feeling at the top that you have to move the body in order to get the club down to the ball. (Reduces inclination to hit from the top.) 9. Tends to bring the club to the ball with the wrists leading, as they should be. 10. Kills any temptation to pronate or supinate. 11. Promotes-almost insures-a late hit. 12. Promotes a solid contact on the center of the club face. The first three points are probably the most important. The others stem chiefly from the first three." The other 3 moves in my opinion coincides with Austin’s teaching just presented, sensed, felt aand packaged a different way.

Last few days, I been watching a lot of your contents and really appreciate high quality materials. I have question regarding grip pressure. I noticed my grip pressure is getting stronger, so less break of wrist is that normal? Or do i still need to maintain soft wrist without breaking wrist?

@BEBETTERGOLF

2 жыл бұрын

Most teachers are now teaching a firmer grip pressure. About 7/10

Hey Brandon check out the g box shallower I think it will really help Your swing

I couldn’t agree more with you that there are tons of details in the takeaway, what milo said your wrists problem just one of the details for a in plane takeaway, while I think your main issue of taking it inside is the upper body rotation, notice the last frame of the video how Milo has his shoulder more tilted compare to yours is ‘rounded’ and ‘flat’, which will always result in a inside takeaway. I think that’s the main issue of you taking it inside all the time, I am like you, always have this inside takeaway problem, and experience all kinds of positions to a in plane takeaway, and finally know that it’s more related to a proper body turn rather than placing the club to a certain position, that feel like you need to manipulate the club to stay in plane.

4 years ago i watched a vid from Eric Cogorno where a student was rotating the lead forearm instead of the whole arm during the backswing causing a very similar effect (hand tucked under). I noticed from vids that I was doing something similar. The student (a special needs high school student) went from shooting in the 120's to the 70's in less than a year. I was able to take those last few strokes off by fixing this.

Nice brendon, i will have to check to see what i am doing? I see milos right arm more straight in comparison to you when you pause with the side by side images.

@BEBETTERGOLF

3 жыл бұрын

Yes. It is straight met because he is using the right arm

Yes at 6:15. Miechtree calls it, "Away from under". Same thing

I suffer from this under plane look early in the backswing and its a death move. A good thought is to push the handle down with left heel pad to start the swing helps the club head go up. Look at porzak golf videos hes the guru of all time good golfing all ✌

What's the John Rahm drill????

If you setup with a strong grip, your right wrist will already be in extension, so more extension is not necessary early on in your swing The way to fix your takeaway is not to abandon the idea of a one piece takeaway , but to better understand what a one piece takeaway actually is and to supplement it with hip/ shoulder rotation . You need to start your takeaway NOT with your hands, wrists or arms but via turning your shoulder /pelvis away from the target line . While this is happening you need to maintain the triangle of your arms AND the relationship of your wrists to this triangle COMPLETELY UNCHANGED from setup until your hands are past the outside of your right foot. Because your shoulders / hips will be turning away from the target line , the triangle of your arms will be moving slightly to the inside during the takeaway

at 4:50 of the video is very telling when the guy says you're going to cycle through 50 guys then come back to him. Just seems you are going to change swings and feelings until you get it , stick to one coach and listen to him

Your left hand grip strengths are so different (yours weaker, Milo's stronger) that I wonder if the essence of whatever you're trying to achieve is lost when you try to feel right wrist extension in the takeaway. With a strong left hand, right wrist extension translates to radial movement in the left wrist. With your weak left hand, that same right wrist extension (your right hand grips both seem about the same: slightly strong) translates to left wrist flexion. At around 5:48 when you say you don't really see the wrists only moving in the extension/flexion plane, maybe it's because Milo's left wrist is actually moving more in the ulnar/radial plane (again, since his left hand is stronger). Milo said that there may be some right wrist radial deviation, but that he doesn't really feel it. I'm guessing that happens later in the backswing, where his left wrist goes into slight extension which translates into radial in the right wrist. And now I'm thinking the bigger contributor to the difference in takeaways is right elbow bend and forearm rotation. Well, cheers and good luck from another guy in the rabbit hole.

I've ALWAYS noticed this about your takeaway. I assumed since you've never addressed it, maybe the takeaway wasn't that big of an issue lol.

I thought Jay Keel was Greg Scribner aka overhand golf. Aka holy grail golf. I was really excited for a bit. By the way, what’s stopping you from collaborating with him?

@davidmcbride8906

3 жыл бұрын

That would be epic!

That take away you do, I do the same thing and can’t figure out how to fix.

Hi Milo ask yourself one question are you bending your trail hand back or is the head of the club doing it for you The golf club is a magnificent tool. It’s absolutely is not a hammer or an ax which is a 3rd class lever and can only go in one direction to get the job done. A golf club however is a 1st class lever with a built in flex of its own and unfortunately can independently go in any direction against our will. So if you understand what I just said. The clear answer is that the golf club is definitely a class 1 lever and it is time all of us golfers both players and teachers begin to give our golf clubs the respect they deserve. When we work effectively with them; they will work effectively for us. It is a matter of physics. Cheers

The problem I have with golf instruction is this demonstration works well for an iron swing. But the driver set up is different. the left shoulder is tilted up more at address. I wish that were taken in consideration when the backswing is discussed.

Brendon - perhaps a slightly stronger grip too will minimize fore arm rotation in takeaway

@arjanpetersen

3 жыл бұрын

Doesn’t matter

@w7855

3 жыл бұрын

@@arjanpetersen huh?

@arjanpetersen

3 жыл бұрын

@@w7855 like I said ... doesn’t matter. You can have club upside down and still do the same move. Nothing will Change.

@w7855

3 жыл бұрын

@@arjanpetersen I don’t follow your point? I’m referring to Brenden’s long standing issue of rolling it inside. I’ve always thought his grip was a tad too weak for his anatomy

@broccoliaugratin

3 жыл бұрын

good suggestion, i think a strong grip will allow him to get shaft lean while squaring the face

I get the point. You don’t have to repeat it 10 times!

All the BS on you tube Finally guys that know the swing . Thanks 😊

your current takeaway = hands/wrists move, then arms, then shoulders The best ballstrikers’ takeaway: shoulders, arms and then wrists/hands

@arjanpetersen

3 жыл бұрын

Nonsense.... you have no idea what muscle is used when. There is zero clue which muscle is used in what order.

@dominicxiong4901

3 жыл бұрын

@@arjanpetersen pretty clear that his shoulder/upper torso isn’t moving correctly. @ 10:00 compare and contrast how open his shoulders are to Milo’s. Club head also way inside and underneath. Too much hands and arms early on. Not enough big muscles.

Theres no top of swing since it changes depending on how far the shot needs to go. And the 'backswing' wordage keeps golf coaches in business. Back is behind you.

Do you still have your Swingshirt? (That's a clue)

I’ve been to Milo, he’s a stud.

Watch your left arm in the takeaway. Milo's left arm stays really close to his body whereas yours moves away. Your left shoulder is compromised due to this. All the best with working on your takeaway.

I've just figured out why my good shots are fades

So where is the third step? Thanks

Clear as mud now…

Read Dante's book. It's magic move #1.

Try holding a towel under your arm pits and hit those half shots. Towel drill

Forearm roll is the problem with your takeaway Brandon

Milo moves his shoulder backwards you swing the club around the shoulder

Hi Brandon, please look at your arm and shoulder position, in relation to Milo, 10.24 on the video, get this part Brandon, its a massive difference.. paying attention to the smallest of detail is the key to great learning man.. love the channel... keep at it BRANDON.......

Can you or Milo explain why your head raises 2-3 inches in the BS while Milo drops his head 2-3 inches? See the alternating shots of the two of you at around 8:00.

Nah, it all starts with the belt line and below, master the legwork or absolutely nothing matters.

It’s forearm rotation...it’s always been forearm rotation.

Why do you keep changing coaches? If you find an concept that makes infinite sense, surely you’d stick with it. I’ve watched you with Milo and Milo and Mike M. Truly when Milo is giving his two cents (I wish) he makes absolute sense, no two swings are alike and need different teaching point. One hat doesn’t fit all, without adjustment. Stick to one and you will have found nirvana, Milo is the GOLF GURU.

Milo's backswing looks a bit steep, to my eyes (not that I know what I'm talking about!)