Excellent video -- thanks Don for investing in this hardware and showing us what it can do. :) Clearly Windows desktop hardware is going to change significantly in the next three-to-five years. This device points to the possibilities. And the fact that Microsoft have released it with the specification it has indicates how they expect powerful apps -- including games -- to be running on future versions of such small form-factor ARM devices. I will follow your experience with the dev kit with great interest.

@NovaspiritTech

Жыл бұрын

i'm also running some test side by side the the raspberry pi 4 windows on arm to see if i'm able to install everything.

@nathanielmoore87

Жыл бұрын

@@NovaspiritTech Great review!! Like @ETA Prime pointed out in his video, it seems MS chose to rip the guts out of a Surface and stuff it into a desktop format. The processor is nowhere near the performance of the M1. I would like to see better hardware going forward, but ARM adoption comes down to a chicken and egg problem. Developers won't write software until the hardware is there, but the hardware manufacturers won't make ARM hardware because developers are not writing code for it. MS could use its weight to break the cycle, and it seems to me that is what is going to happen.

@fffUUUUUU

Жыл бұрын

You better improve the quality of content on your channel which turned into hidden paid ads non-stop for SBC chinese communist vendors

@griffin1366

Жыл бұрын

Mr. Scissors!

@m8hackr60

Жыл бұрын

What do you think, Chris? I like this device, too. It's good to see the market expanding, and even adding competition across processor architectures. I agree that this is too pricey for a regular user. But for dev work this is great and the price is about on par.

First timer here, hello. :3 I was pretty amazed by how well Tomb Raider ran on the dev kit. ARM has so much potential!

@siddestroyer

Жыл бұрын

More like Qualcomm's custom mobile GPU architecture (Adreno). It shows promise in being able to scale up to desktop performance levels

This is reminiscent of the performance of the Apple A12z dev kit. Qualcomm is on a good trajectory here. With Nuvia cores on the horizon, the future is promising

Kioxia is a very reputable brand for SSD's. Mostly used in Datacenter applications and its basicly Toshiba's SSD Department.

@NovaspiritTech

Жыл бұрын

oh really? maybe i never noticed it until now. i don't usually see that brand floating around

@marvintpandroid2213

Жыл бұрын

@@NovaspiritTech They are the new name for Toshiba

@NovaspiritTech

Жыл бұрын

ohhhhhhh

@fffUUUUUU

Жыл бұрын

@@NovaspiritTech this tells a lot of your self-declared "pro" and "influencer" titles lol

@fffUUUUUU

Жыл бұрын

@@NovaspiritTech Kioxia was founded by a scientist who invented NAND flash memory. Dude you're an infant in big tech

So what mini pc would you recommend for everyday use vs this device ? Or can i use this as my everyday personal use? Great review 👍

Windows 11 on arm is seriously impressive. I wanted to play an old DirectX 6 game on my m2 mac and spent a while fumbling with wine, qemu (for full x86 emulation), etc. Got fed up and tried it on parrallels knowing it probably wouldn't work with windows on Arm. Worked fine in software mode. Figured, no way HW mode will work... And it did. Flawlessly. I was shocked to be frank. Microsoft has almost caught up to Rossetta2 with compatibility.

This is awesome!

Kioxia is Toshiba. Their m.2 and small form factor SSDs are pretty popular for low price

Impressive review, thanks to share✌✌

Windows 11 has a powerful x86-64 emulator but isn't hyped as much as Rosetta 2.0

@vvgr409

Жыл бұрын

Because it’s much slower than Rosetta 2.

@rrsharizam

Жыл бұрын

@@vvgr409 how do you know?

@vvgr409

11 ай бұрын

@@rrsharizam There are tons of benchmark and comparisons. Somebody even installed Rosetta 2 on WSL2 (Rosetta 2 is available for Linux) and it was still faster than Windows emulator.

Thanks Don for this good review

Windows on ARM64 in 2022 is like where Windows on x64 was in 2005 (running Windows XP x64). What really got x64 going was higher RAM requirements. What will really get ARM64 going in the Windows world? Hard to say. (I say this as I'm typing this on a Surface Pro X running Windows 11 ARM64)

can this run the full visual studio? I think it had problem compiling stuff before, i just want to know what can it do from a dev point of view

Any idea if the Creative SB X4 would run for nice 5.1 sound?

I feel this might be a first for me but can you install WINE in Windows 11?

I think this will be my Christmas present.

did you get a display card cord or did yours come with one

4:11 Various Adobe products throw weird errors on ARM64. Installing Visual C++ 2022 ARM64 version mitigates some of them (at least for Adobe Acrobat, but it might work for you with Photoshop).

I realize this is for developing Arm apps but can VS build x86 apps as well? And presumably debug under emulation?

3D print a bigger case to make a full size hard drive fit inside?

I wanted to build a pc for my day to day task seems like I don't have to do that anymore

Привет. Какой браузер вы используете?

I'd love to fool around with one of these, see what i can get out of it

can you run ETL trace view? and WPA on this device?

That was impressive

I just bought this stuff!

I can't wait to see a full install of Linux on one of these.

@GuyBehindAComputer

8 ай бұрын

Is it possible?

@MnemonicCarrier

8 ай бұрын

@@GuyBehindAComputer Probably... Hopefully... I mean, some very clever folks have even got Linux (mostly) working on the new Apple M1/M2 MacBooks 😉

Very informative and helpful. You know your stuff.

Question, I know this is a Dev kit, but was looking for a Mini Pc for my mom lol. Will it work fine as a mini pc, surfing web, Netflix, Prime video, Microsoft Store Games etc. I figure it would be easier for her to use win 11 than Mac Mini M1, bigger learning curve.

@hermes6910

10 ай бұрын

You have less costly and more stable than this for simple PC tasks. (The last MiniPC with N100 for $130 are a better bet)

I would have liked it to be cheaper. However, I intend using my Dev Kit 2023 to port an x64 application to arm64 and I need the RAM and the cores to make development as fast as possible. Because time is money it is worth paying for this specification so that I'm not waiting for the machine to do its work.

KIOXIA Corporation used to be called Toshiba Memory Corporation.

Does Docker work? I paid €700 from Microsoft Germany, gonna get it maybe next week. You'll notice Kioxia more in the smaller M.2 SSD sizes.

@whocares5609

Жыл бұрын

I am using docker under WSL on my Windows ARM devices.

how about WSA?

can you install native linux on it? not wsl

@asunavk69

Жыл бұрын

Unfornatly no.. locked uefi or smt.... only possible on mac computers so far..

Well...at least Surface Pro X runs Prey(achieved with Cryengine 3), and kinda playable(framerates above 30fps on 720p or 900p with stutter)

This is interesting ~ I just wonder that intel is heading to RISC-V .... Why M$ jump in arm ~ with some issue can't integrate third party GPU and NPU with in SoC. And also using Qualcomm arm SoC ... maybe it is made by SamSung or TSMC .... better cross finger.

@johntrevy1

Жыл бұрын

ARM is a tried and tested platform.

@ExplainingComputers

Жыл бұрын

@@johntrevy1 Agreed. Although we may see a RISC-V equivalent in 2023/4! :)

@johntrevy1

Жыл бұрын

@@ExplainingComputers I still think Acorn are going to have the last laugh.

you can do almost everything dev at faster speed by virtualizing on a M1

One day in 2077, gamers will be buying GPUs each with their own teeny little onboard ARM processor running an OS and sharing VRAM

Shouldn't it read "ARM"?

Running windows on my mi 11 lite ne 5g without gpu

The Voltara has 8 cpu cores and 8 threads, whereas Apple M1 has no threads.

Crysis is just windows 3.11 for workgroups at this point.

could you try running blender? : P

the price is justifiable because its a dev kit for arm apps not your regular pc..

Please install Linux on it and give us some benchmarks. I would like one for Linux but want to make sure there are drivers for everything.(like the AI)

Yea its a bit pricey but if your a dev it could be useful

Looks promising with further development. Trouble is I'd prefer to replace the Windows OS with a Linux OS.

@renobodyrenobody

Жыл бұрын

Linux will not boot, it's a Microsoft product. No way, you are locked by M$$.

There should be a ipad equivalent in windows ecosystem.

@mrwoodcat

Жыл бұрын

totally. been waiting for it forever. if it can run android apps like native, decent battery life, and also a suitable desktop then its perfection.

Another tiny nail in X86/64's coffin.

@rrsharizam

Жыл бұрын

I doubt it. Microsoft never intend to abandon x86. They want Windows to run on both x86 and ARM processors.

@johntrevy1

Жыл бұрын

@@rrsharizam The world wil move on with or without Microsoft.

@zicadibrove4119

Жыл бұрын

@@johntrevy1 You mean with or without Apple. Microsoft gives users a choice, Apple forces users to run proprietary ARM centric hardware. Its hardly the future as its 40 years old.

@johntrevy1

Жыл бұрын

@@zicadibrove4119 Apple are moving on, Microsoft isn't. ARM is 40 years old? How old do you think X86 is? Sure ARM started off crap but is rapidly catching up whilst X86 power requirements are just getting worse. We are in an energy crisis that isn't going away anytime soon, so going for the cheaper to run solution is a no brainer.

@johntrevy1

Жыл бұрын

@@zicadibrove4119 Microsoft at this stage has nothing to offer apart from Legacy support and compatibility. When you have an OS that has pretty much required an SSD to function properly (due to ever increasing bloat that is simply not needed) since vista you know you ****ed up.

Agree with EC Thought the headline was a gag until you actually played some Crysis. This device caught my attention about two weeks back, but had little more than a few paragraphs to go on. It definitely looks appealing to me.

Windows on arm

It's not even using GPU running Tomb Raider only 38% cpu.

free ms office right?

i wouldn't pay for ARM device

@killerb255

Жыл бұрын

If you have an Android or iOS smartphone, then you have paid for at least one ARM device (unless you stole it or something).

The fact that Windows 10 runs better through emulation on the M1 Mac mini is a bit sad, hopefully it gets better.

@NovaspiritTech

Жыл бұрын

me tooo.... been reading up about this

@rrsharizam

Жыл бұрын

It wasn't run thru emulation, but rather running the ARM version of Windows natively through parallel desktop. People really need to stop spreading false information.

@marvintpandroid2213

Жыл бұрын

@@rrsharizam Quote " Parallels Desktop for Mac is software providing hardware virtualization for Macintosh computers with Intel processors, and since version 16.5 also for Apple silicon-based Macintosh computers. " Wikipedia Its emulating a windows environment that the software tested runs better in.

@rrsharizam

Жыл бұрын

@@marvintpandroid2213 yeah but it's running Windows *"NATIVELY"* on ARM processor so it emulates *"NOTHING."* Even WINE is *NOT* considered as emulator. But if it runs x86-64 Windows on apple m1 then I would without a doubt call it emulation. But its *NOT.* It runs ARM Windows on parallel that is DESIGNED and GUARANTEED to work with ARM processors

@whocares5609

Жыл бұрын

M1 is technically somewhat faster, however the Geekbench score under Parallels/Windows is about on par with this Dev Kit.

Just make windows a service on top of a Linux system, gaming should migrate to a service like steam.

@killerb255

Жыл бұрын

Like the Steamdeck?

Admitting you don't know Kioxia is like admitting you don't know HP Enterprise. "Techtuber influencer" lol 😂

“It runs extremely smooth…” why do you not complete that sentence? “It runs extremely smooth squirrels” would be a complete sentence. Saying “it runs extremely smooth” is like saying “it runs extremely brown”. It makes no sense without a noun. :/ Did you mean to use an adverb like smoothly? That would have completed the sentence.

My Mac Mini M1 trashes this at ~$200 more.

@mixael

Жыл бұрын

200 more? For 32gb ram and 512g SSD? :/

I hope the box won't turn into the cheap media center by Microsoft. Just like Nvidia shield now become the best android TV in the market.