Finnish vs Norse trolls - Trolls in Finnish and Scandinavian folklore

#finnishmythology #trolls
Trolls or similar creatures appear in Folklore across Northern Europe. Of these creatures, the Norse trolls are probably the best known. Finnish mythology, however, is not without its trolls either. Let's examine how the Finnish trolls are, and how they differ from their Scandinavian cousins.
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  • @end0skeleton778
    @end0skeleton778 Жыл бұрын

    This was awesome and I hope we get to see Issue 2 of Trolled!

  • @Anttimation

    @Anttimation

    Жыл бұрын

    Thank you! It's in the making! Will take some time though as the style of drawing is slower than death, and I have some "real" eg bill-paying work to do too. Hopefully early next year!

  • @end0skeleton778

    @end0skeleton778

    Жыл бұрын

    @@Anttimation Yes the type of art you do in the comic is definitely time consuming I'm sure. I will patiently be waiting! I love what you do. Kiitos paljon!

  • @Anttimation

    @Anttimation

    Жыл бұрын

    @@end0skeleton778 Thanks man!

  • @ACrowingCockatrice
    @ACrowingCockatrice Жыл бұрын

    Absolutely take this with a pinch of salt, but I recall a proposed reason behind the widespread use of iron as a warding material in (primarily European) folklore. Meteoric iron. Iron ore was rather hard to come by or mine, so the earliest usable sources were meteorites. Having fallen from space, or the heavens, early civilizations assigned a great importance to it, potentially influencing the birth of these legends, which probably spread and survived due to people's easy access to iron in later time periods.

  • @Anttimation

    @Anttimation

    Жыл бұрын

    Interesting! That could be the case especially if that part of the lore is very old. I don't know of another explanation at the moment.

  • @Anttimation

    @Anttimation

    Жыл бұрын

    Just reading Risto Pulkkinen's book, he takes it for granted that iron was such a revolutionary discovery that it was consequently thought to have magical powers (väki).

  • @ACrowingCockatrice

    @ACrowingCockatrice

    Жыл бұрын

    @@Anttimation That is also an interesting possibility.

  • @RedOkamiDev
    @RedOkamiDev Жыл бұрын

    as a foreigner living in finland, this is by far my favorite Finnish content creator, I wish you nothing but success man.

  • @Anttimation

    @Anttimation

    Жыл бұрын

    Thanks so much, that's really great to hear! Success is on its way slowly but surely...

  • @nordmann9414
    @nordmann9414 Жыл бұрын

    Interesting, never thought about Finnish trolls before

  • @Anttimation

    @Anttimation

    Жыл бұрын

    "do you have a moment to talk about trolls?" 🙏

  • @mirjamenny
    @mirjamenny Жыл бұрын

    Kiitos for this channel, Antti. I found it last night and am partway through the process of binging your content. You mused in one of the videos as to why you were producing content in English, and I can provide you with an excellent reason, beyond the amusement of foreigners. My mother's family lost their ancestral home in Terijoki during the Winter War, then moved to Canada in the early 50s for "a better life" after several years of post-war depression living in Järvenpää. There were four daughters in the family; they all married to men of colonial Scottish or English background. All eight of Mummu's grandchildren (including myself) have fully Anglo-Celtic names now, although we are genetically half Finnish. My post-secondary degree is in English, which is a process of colonial indoctrination unto itself. Our generation has already lost our matriarchal language, and we are at high risk of losing our culture soon; I am the only one who can make traditional foods like pulla and piirakka. Hallowe'en was always my sacred holiday, which I attributed to my pagan Celtic roots, until recently discovering Kekri (there's a suggestion for you - I would love to see your thoughts and prayers about Kekri, haha). So were it not for bilingual Suomalainen like yourself who put in the effort to translating this knowledge to your distant cousins of the Karelian diaspora, we would be without access to our culture and history, and for that gift I am grateful to you beyond words. I wish you every success and happiness in life💝

  • @Anttimation

    @Anttimation

    Жыл бұрын

    Thank you so much for the kind words and thorough watching of the videos! Keep the tradition alive, pulla is awesome :D I will do a video with kekri traditions for Yule, as the most of the xmas traditions come from kekri which is a much older celebration. Yule landed here from Scandinavia and was possibly first celebrated by the rich but was slowly adopted by the entire society.

  • @mirjamenny

    @mirjamenny

    Жыл бұрын

    @@Anttimation Kiitos again, you have a traditional meal waiting for you in Calgary if ever you travel this way and get homesick for Finnish food (my venison lihapiirakka is great comfort food, maybe on par with Zetor). When people from other cultures ask me about our ancestral diet I have to admit the closest thing to a Nordic restaurant in this city of 1.3 million is the IKEA cafeteria, I think only hungover Nordic people or children crave the blandness. 😂 I'm excited at the prospect of learning more about Kekri as the old traditions come back. This was my first year of Kekri observance; afterward, one of my aunts reminded me about melting metal into snow or water for fortune-telling, so it's in my goal to revive that ritual as well.

  • @Anttimation

    @Anttimation

    Жыл бұрын

    @@mirjamenny amazing, thank you! :) I don't think I've ever tried Ikea food tbh, haha. Well Nordic food is best homemade anyway. The tin melting is still very common on New year's Eve!

  • @jessecambly4012

    @jessecambly4012

    Жыл бұрын

    I'm a Canadian who's 3/8 finnish, I've always been into Greek mythology but after learning about my ancestory I've been looking into finnish a lot more and trying to celebrate that side of myself. KZread videos like these are amazing, a great introduction, I've downloaded the English translated kalevala on audible and have been slowly working through it I'd love to learn some tradition finnish meals to be able to cook for my family during holidays

  • @Anttimation

    @Anttimation

    Жыл бұрын

    @@jessecambly4012 I don't plan to expand to the food side of KZread now, but have been thinking to do a video or two about some ancient foods that are still eaten today as modern versions

  • @deepwaters7242
    @deepwaters724211 ай бұрын

    Great video, I liked and saved for future review and references. I like how many times the trolls shout Perkele in the graphics 😂

  • @Anttimation

    @Anttimation

    11 ай бұрын

    Thank you. It's a very trollish expression!

  • @andreasatlars4281
    @andreasatlars4281Ай бұрын

    A lot of the poetry in the Silmarillion serm to use the same meter as the English translation of the Kaleval too.

  • @Anttimation

    @Anttimation

    Ай бұрын

    Yeah! It's been pointed out to me many times but something I didn't notice while reading, haha.

  • @kattikoskinen9122
    @kattikoskinen9122 Жыл бұрын

    I think it's interesting that most of the scandinavian words for using magic are derived from the same origin as the word "troll". I happen to have a local folklore book from the Turku archipelago area where and encounter with trolls is described. These trolls are flying in through windows or whatever and using magic or "trolling" to make cows sick. I mean... They're literally trolling the people so that's kind of funny, but also it's really interesting and very different from the popularized description of trolls.

  • @Anttimation

    @Anttimation

    Жыл бұрын

    That is super interesting. I have also heard of sagas describing Finn-trolls (meaning witches) but haven't found the texts anywhere.

  • @yerabbit6333
    @yerabbit63338 ай бұрын

    Ironically the first Finnish metal band I can think of is Finntroll. (Wait, that's not ironic.) Anyway, your art and video style is great. You have a new subscriber, looking forward to more.

  • @Anttimation

    @Anttimation

    8 ай бұрын

    Thank you! Glad to have you on board. Finntroll are great. About time for me to see them again.

  • @larsnordstrom364
    @larsnordstrom3646 ай бұрын

    as a Swde, I love learning about Finnish folklore. It is so similar and yet different. Kitos

  • @Anttimation

    @Anttimation

    6 ай бұрын

    Thanks! Yeah in a way a lot like Swedish and Finnish cultures too.

  • @illo312
    @illo312 Жыл бұрын

    Kiitos näistä videoista!

  • @Anttimation

    @Anttimation

    Жыл бұрын

    Kiitos kun katsot 💪

  • @Zeledonom
    @Zeledonom10 ай бұрын

    darn, you can say that he *trolled us* there

  • @angelsmagick
    @angelsmagick Жыл бұрын

    I've been waiting for this! Loved it!

  • @Anttimation

    @Anttimation

    Жыл бұрын

    Thanks Maggie!

  • @IrishinFinland
    @IrishinFinland Жыл бұрын

    Loved this 🤟🏻 excellent work

  • @Anttimation

    @Anttimation

    Жыл бұрын

    Cheers mate! There must be if not trolls per se (perse, haha), some similar creatures in Ireland?

  • @senseiAR
    @senseiAR4 ай бұрын

    When you mentioned mountains i thought about the Pyhävuori in Lappajärvi. It even has its own book about it's troll. The book tells the troll's story about something but i don't remember much about it. Also Pyhävuori's history is interesting. So there's this big giant rock where people burned kids alive for a sacrifice

  • @Anttimation

    @Anttimation

    4 ай бұрын

    Damn! That's interesting. Thanks for sharing!

  • @anon456938
    @anon4569383 ай бұрын

    Very interesting videos and neat animation. The history series was very nice since we didn't cover much of that in school. Perhaps you could make one about the whole wild ior bock legends and lemminkäisen temppeli?

  • @Anttimation

    @Anttimation

    3 ай бұрын

    Nah, it's just nonsense which I don't want to focus on.

  • @benhurula201
    @benhurula201 Жыл бұрын

    Hey, just wanted to say, this is great! I've watched a few of your vids here and there. You did indeed turn yourself into a troll, it was a good topic, and the bit at the end was unexpected, made me laugh. Keep it up, you're good.

  • @Anttimation

    @Anttimation

    Жыл бұрын

    Thanks so much! That is good to hear.

  • @JulianGem
    @JulianGem Жыл бұрын

    Very informative

  • @Anttimation

    @Anttimation

    Жыл бұрын

    Thank you. That's the goal of these.

  • @oh2mp
    @oh2mp Жыл бұрын

    Kiitos! Tämä oli odotettu video.

  • @Anttimation

    @Anttimation

    Жыл бұрын

    Mukava kuulla!

  • @Timpe40
    @Timpe403 ай бұрын

    Well earned sub from me. Great stuff, thank you!

  • @Anttimation

    @Anttimation

    3 ай бұрын

    Thanks! Welcome aboard 😎

  • @kissalanpojat
    @kissalanpojat Жыл бұрын

    Mahtava video jälleen.

  • @Anttimation

    @Anttimation

    Жыл бұрын

    Suurkiitokset!

  • @RoadkillxDemon
    @RoadkillxDemonАй бұрын

    An interesting observation I've made regarding Ukko and Thor resemblance, Thor was often called Åku-Tor which means "Thor the rider" and refer to him riding his chariot. This is probably the cognate of the Swedish word Åska (Thunder) just like Ukko and ukkonen are. In Sami mythology we have this character Ajeke that is a hammer wielding god of thunder that some Sami people calls Thoron, Horagalles, or Thora Galles. There's quit some crossover here.

  • @Anttimation

    @Anttimation

    Ай бұрын

    Ha! Interesting!

  • @fatehdebbah
    @fatehdebbahАй бұрын

    We call them Jinn.

  • @heikkijhautanen4576
    @heikkijhautanen4576 Жыл бұрын

    Hyvä Suomalaiset ja Norjaiset peikot!!!!

  • @Oeslian
    @Oeslian5 ай бұрын

    The Estonian word Peigmees shows that Estonians have been trolls for a very long time. Also in typical Estonian fashion it sounds like something naughty in English.

  • @RyanRyzzo

    @RyanRyzzo

    2 ай бұрын

    SINEP is different in the upside-down world! 🤭

  • @fallenknight3016
    @fallenknight3016 Жыл бұрын

    i saw trolls serving a god queen

  • @avacornthelastponybender8583
    @avacornthelastponybender85835 ай бұрын

    So the difference between Scandinavian trolls and Finnish trolls is that the latter can be good sometimes, they live underground upside down and they are good at herding cattle

  • @Anttimation

    @Anttimation

    5 ай бұрын

    Good summary!

  • @stavolis
    @stavolis Жыл бұрын

    3:50 Vaihdokas?

  • @Anttimation

    @Anttimation

    Жыл бұрын

    Vaihdokas hyvinkin.

  • @therham
    @therham Жыл бұрын

    Awesome

  • @Anttimation

    @Anttimation

    Жыл бұрын

    Cheers!

  • @thatwhitewolf5222
    @thatwhitewolf5222 Жыл бұрын

    Mabey the troll mythology pre Christian Finland, depicted trolls as Nether Good or bad. But more like a spieces with its own set of Morals and emotions. Like IF you where on Good terms with a finnish trolls, they could Help you and even live in Harmony with humans. But IF you Pisses Them off, you get "That Naibour" that ruins your Backyard.

  • @Anttimation

    @Anttimation

    Жыл бұрын

    That's actually the case 100% with elves (or gnomes). Every house has its own elves that you need to treat well, leave them food and the last saua shift etc, otherwise misfortune will fall upon you.

  • @jhtsurvival

    @jhtsurvival

    Жыл бұрын

    My theory on "trolls" are that they were either other homo species that survived along with us rather isolated or that they were hybrids

  • @thatwhitewolf5222

    @thatwhitewolf5222

    Жыл бұрын

    @@jhtsurvival Well there is a Story among Historians the last Cavemen did go extinct somewhere in Finland. Or was it todays Karelia, dont remember.

  • @Peter-ri9ie
    @Peter-ri9ie3 ай бұрын

    What’s the music in the background?

  • @Anttimation

    @Anttimation

    3 ай бұрын

    Uni by Karneh, a Finnish pagan folk artist: open.spotify.com/artist/4oDI4sOmjaGEbYDp5ijudk?si=nZWDWlNKSgGq1ftRLfFzOA&nd=1&dlsi=802e4ffe62984127

  • @Peter-ri9ie

    @Peter-ri9ie

    3 ай бұрын

    @@Anttimation Checking it out at once. Thanks! 🙏🏻

  • @WMfin
    @WMfin Жыл бұрын

    Do Finn trolls speak in swedish like Finntroll? I'll see myself out!

  • @Anttimation

    @Anttimation

    Жыл бұрын

    Probably they know some basics but are native Trollish speakers!

  • @Valmentaja

    @Valmentaja

    Жыл бұрын

    🤣😂

  • @end0skeleton778

    @end0skeleton778

    Жыл бұрын

    In a Finnish group, on Facebook. There was someone who said they'll stick to speaking Swedish in Finland. I replied with a gif of a guy drawing a troll, with the caption, yup it's a troll. He was in good spirits about it. I wish I could share a screenshot here, I just looked at his reply to my gif to get his words right, but he replied. "Yup, just like all ethnic Swedes in Finland." 🤣🤣🤣

  • @witheringleaves5431
    @witheringleaves5431 Жыл бұрын

    so excited i love trolls

  • @Anttimation

    @Anttimation

    Жыл бұрын

    Trolls, the amazing race so often looked down upon

  • @whatdays8462
    @whatdays84626 ай бұрын

    thoughts and prayers 🙏

  • @Anttimation

    @Anttimation

    6 ай бұрын

    They've been heard.

  • @levithomas1430
    @levithomas143010 ай бұрын

    2:03 bro tell me why the troll women look like they are down bad?

  • @Anttimation

    @Anttimation

    10 ай бұрын

    They are not happy with what they heard! It's a panel from my comic Trolled: www.amazon.de/-/en/Antti-Palosaari/dp/952698210X/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8

  • @hiddenwoodsben
    @hiddenwoodsben4 ай бұрын

    that blackmetal-parabel is only half correct, though. between maybe 2005 and maybe 2010, we in germany all liked us some finntroll from time to time.

  • @Anttimation

    @Anttimation

    4 ай бұрын

    Golden age of folk metal maybe?

  • @j.s.c.4355
    @j.s.c.4355 Жыл бұрын

    Trolls and sidhe are allergic to iron.

  • @brucehunter6915
    @brucehunter691515 күн бұрын

    I'm not sure what to think about trolls.

  • @Anttimation

    @Anttimation

    15 күн бұрын

    Complex creatures, aren't they? 😂

  • @P4nzerk93
    @P4nzerk93 Жыл бұрын

    Varmaan paras suomalainen kanava. Vähän jäistä, täynnä meemejä ja ammattimaisesti tuotetta, 5/5 muumipeikkoa. Pitkään tullu seurattua ja niin jatkossakin. Ei suomen historiaa koulussa vaan liikaa ollu paitsi mitä tulee Ruotsiin ja Venäjään...

  • @Anttimation

    @Anttimation

    Жыл бұрын

    Kiitos paljon! Joo, ja siitäkään moni tuskin muistaa paljoa, ellei myöhemmin kiinnostu lukemaan lisää...

  • @michaelbyrd-tw1wp
    @michaelbyrd-tw1wp2 ай бұрын

    So iron is the bane of all the fey, the old ones they used stone, copper, lead, silver and gold tin, iron is the tool that man used to tame the fey and inherit the world

  • @Anttimation

    @Anttimation

    2 ай бұрын

    That's a way to look at it!

  • @michaelbyrd-tw1wp

    @michaelbyrd-tw1wp

    2 ай бұрын

    @@Anttimation I really enjoyed your video it filled in some gaps

  • @Anttimation

    @Anttimation

    2 ай бұрын

    Glad to hear! @@michaelbyrd-tw1wp

  • @dubuyajay9964
    @dubuyajay996411 ай бұрын

    Mustakrakish?

  • @Anttimation

    @Anttimation

    11 ай бұрын

    I believe that is not a part of ancient mythology 😅

  • @dubuyajay9964

    @dubuyajay9964

    11 ай бұрын

    @Anttimation But it's in Finland tho. kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZpOHsM-AYdPFcso.html

  • @ronaldpagar6513
    @ronaldpagar651311 ай бұрын

    What country are you from?

  • @Anttimation

    @Anttimation

    11 ай бұрын

    Finland.

  • @ronaldpagar6513

    @ronaldpagar6513

    11 ай бұрын

    @@Anttimation that explains your accent

  • @Anttimation

    @Anttimation

    11 ай бұрын

    @@ronaldpagar6513 explains much of the content of the channel too if you have a look around. ;)

  • @tomkatt8274
    @tomkatt82745 ай бұрын

    trolls are real and are out tehre. tehy are proud of their civilization that is millions of years older than humanity. they lived in the nordic countries before humans and are angry at us for stealing their land.

  • @Anttimation

    @Anttimation

    5 ай бұрын

    They have every right to be angry.

  • @tomkatt8274

    @tomkatt8274

    5 ай бұрын

    @@Anttimation they are a species millions of years older than us. they have every right to be angry at the human colonists.

  • @ShadesApeDJansu
    @ShadesApeDJansu Жыл бұрын

    Christian Finnish Frostiis cool troll :P Ok Satan being a troll is new one to me and i am a christian :O i do believe Satan is a living creature, i think he lives in Hel-sinki rather than forest though :P I do believe actually he lives on earth, not being bound to hell. Ok my Tube is about spiritualism mostly and i've been a occultist at the age of 18 y and i played Shaman drum mostly and did cast 3 spells, turned christian after that. I made a vid about it a few months ago, my grandpa died that day and i got the call so i stopped the vid and had to redo it.

  • @studentstudent5044
    @studentstudent5044 Жыл бұрын

    First off, Norse does not mean norwegian. Second of all, Sweden had all the troll stories too

  • @Anttimation

    @Anttimation

    Жыл бұрын

    Norse, as in Old Norse, the predecessor of modern Norwegian/Swedish/Danish/Icelandic etc

  • @XxGreatestyouknoWxX
    @XxGreatestyouknoWxX Жыл бұрын

    Very interesting video

  • @Anttimation

    @Anttimation

    Жыл бұрын

    Thank you!

  • @thelordofgifts5343
    @thelordofgifts5343 Жыл бұрын

    We do a little trolling 🐸

  • @annyeongh8rs815
    @annyeongh8rs815 Жыл бұрын

    Finnish trolls #1