GM: I brought you here because you violated our ToS. Me: Speak plainly, Ascian.

@LauraNanoVargas

9 ай бұрын

I'm going to start saying this to customers at my job. 😂😂😂

@izcube8971

9 ай бұрын

@@LauraNanoVargas They will not get your reference, its funny but I'd advise against it

@epiccthulu

9 ай бұрын

@@LauraNanoVargasKaren: Are you the manager?! This person called me an Ass in! Or that something was in my ass, fire them!

Fun useless fact - This zone is also used in the cutscene in ARR where the Ascians meet up in the post credit scene.

The real crime were 13 unopened mails!

@HyrulianBeast

9 ай бұрын

you'd hate what my email looks like.

@imafirenmehlazer1

8 ай бұрын

@@HyrulianBeast lol treason!!!!!!!!!1!!1!!!!

Mordion Gaol, the only map achievement you don't want.

@FF-tp7qs

9 ай бұрын

Back in 2017, the Rising event quest for that year involved the players searching for the wandering minstrel who got pulled into a rift, which lead to a version of the Mordion Gaol, and we had to do the Cheap Dungeon minigame to free him

Regardless of the reason, they are indiscriminate when it comes to this. If verbally attack a player for any reason that’s an offense. You can both be warned. There’s no winner or loser. If someone is toxic just vote kick them

@Shizuka965

2 жыл бұрын

True, SE is really not joking around with those affairs, the best thing to do is to just shut up and don't say anything to those guys, just report and move on ^^

@liger0jps

9 ай бұрын

We asked nicely at first but since he wanted to play the toxic elitist mentor and wouldn't role on loot and did everything to avoid being kicked. We was stuck with him for the entire run while he constantly berating the tanks which were all new to tanking. I held my tongue until the end but even I had my limits. And I'm normally the passive I will let it slide and not care person. So yeah I take the fall for it and he gets off scotts free. And I have to get sent there and have a warning on my account. which thankfully now its gone.

@SwiftGale1

9 ай бұрын

@@liger0jps It's not gone. They keep that shit permanently. I got pulled into GM jail sometime back in SB because of drama. Got a... I think it was a 1/3 day ban for that first offense. Over two years later, well into ShB and I mouthed off at a dude in Eureka and got reported. That time it was a week long suspension. They keep track.

@Kojain

9 ай бұрын

@@liger0jps That's one of the main reasons why I left WoW. There's a difference between giving advice and being an elitist jerk. Had an issue with a Black Mage during a Shadowbringers Duty. Now I'm one of those Tanks that won't pull the entire duty and for some reason this person would constantly try to grab more monsters. After we completed the duty she had the nerve to say I was a poor tank. She left before I or anyone else could respond. She needs to be lucky I didn't report her.

@Introversion399

9 ай бұрын

​@@KojainShould've reported right after the small tidbit of toxicity.

You definitely should've asked the GM if they wanna roulette and chill

@liger0jps

2 жыл бұрын

Lmao that’s funny maybe I should have

They can read back the chatlogs, if people where falsely reported or the reporting party lied the reporting party would have gotten a penalty. Seeing as you're the one who got a warning (too) I'm guessing you handled the situation wrong, regardless to whom struck first.

@lostpausejr108

9 ай бұрын

i agree

The only time I had an encounter with a GM was in 1.0 when I fell through the floor in Ul'dah and couldn't teleport out during to being stuck in a falling animation...

@MuteObserver

2 жыл бұрын

Could you detail that interaction? I love stuff like this, honestly -how did you encounter them, was it under the map? In this room? Teleported in? What did they say; since I’m not sure if OOB (if on accident) is TOS

@kedolan4992

2 жыл бұрын

@@MuteObserver I wasn't playing in 1.0, but they might not have had a /stuck command back then (because 1.0 was kind of crap), so they might've had to page a GM to save them, since they were stuck and couldn't teleport.

@SeedlingNL

2 жыл бұрын

@@MuteObserver I didn't see the GM, but he must have been near me because he could see I was under the map. He asked if it was okay to teleport me to my homepoint, and that was basically it.

@alyssarasmussen1723

Жыл бұрын

@@SeedlingNL in a game i used to play called free realms we would glitch out of the map purposefully and then jump off the cliff to the sky and just keep falling lol.. eventually it teleported us back to the game but it was fun

@chelsthegameruiner8669

9 ай бұрын

I remember this happening in 2022 to by friend and I. We somehow fell under the map in Limsa Lominsa and my buddy got a tell from a GM that scared the hell outta him. Scared me too since I was still new but we were teleported back. I'm not sure how we fell through either. Just sorta happened and it left us dumbfounded. Hasn't happened since thankfully

if they say they got evidence about that that means they have a chatlog of it... so saying "im sorry but i dont recall harrassing anyone" means totally nothing

@LooneyClipse

9 ай бұрын

I mean its fair to not remember on spot when you have put it behind you. Still also fair of gm as it sure can be a lie.

@Sharkz117

8 ай бұрын

@@LooneyClipse by the chatlogs, the incident is likely something that happened the day prior. Not saying it's impossible to forget in that short of time (it is, I can forget things not even a second later) but it very much sounds like everyone involved knows what it was and they (the person recording this video) were trying to play dumb to get out of trouble.

@LooneyClipse

8 ай бұрын

@@Sharkz117 imo there is no point trying to argue yourself out of this situation when the person in question tries multiple times only to be cut off by gm multiple times who also has clearly same evidence. Imo its the gm protocol not allowing on spot decisions. They have the option to counter argue it, but they clearly admitted they said something bad even if it was in defense after realising what it may be, but the realisation comes after a while. And the strike they got was rly mild so idfk what playing dumb rly would do in this situation. Also trolls that abuse games with difficult report systems, playing along the game, but being massive passive-aggressive dickweeds to newbies can go fk themselves. I was in receiving end to passive-aggressive griefing assholes multiple times in my sprout time (but it was small minority) and this games report system sucks ass, but since this was not my first rodeo of an mmorpg i didnt say anything to them cause i knew i could end up like this guy if i tried to tell em off.

They should have had a little bench in there where you could sit and think about what you did. And a hour timer. 😂

@litchtheshinigami8936

9 ай бұрын

that would hit differently if you are playing a lala

@LooneyClipse

9 ай бұрын

I wish. Would make the experience even more immersive. (Id almost want to be teleported there)

@tonyaduvall49

9 ай бұрын

UO put ypu in an actual jail cell for a certain amount of time. Seems FF should do the same as a warning doesn't do much for most people violating the tos.

This is actually so creepy... I’d honestly prefer not doing anything bad to stay away from here.

@phantombigboss8429

2 жыл бұрын

Its a Jail. don't be a little shit in FF14 and you won't.

@SimBir08

2 жыл бұрын

@@phantombigboss8429 Well you say that, but the poster apparently didn't do anything wrong, they got reported by some dickhead in a random raid the day before.

@theflerffyburr7919

2 жыл бұрын

@@SimBir08 GMs have access to chatlogs from any player and any party at any point in time. There is NO automated moderation in FFXIV. In accordance with their Operational methods another GM would have talked to the guy reporting them to give them a scolding as well and warn them for instigation and toxic behavior. FFXIVs staff is pretty heavy but if there's ANY rule break, regardless of reason, that they find out about you WILL be penalized for it. They're very "I don't care who started it, I'm ending it"

@Funguspower2

2 жыл бұрын

@@theflerffyburr7919 I've played this game for 8 years and I've never even been contacted by a GM. Just don't be a dick. If you can't do that you get what you deserve.

@theflerffyburr7919

2 жыл бұрын

@@Funguspower2 exactly

GMs don't take sides. If anyone reported anything in that raid, all the chat would have been up for review by the GMs, and they would have issued warnings to all people misbehaving, regardless if anyone reported you. If that guy was truly as toxic as you claim, he'd be pulled in for his own little councelling session with a GM. Don't feed the trolls, don't stoke the fires of discord, and never mention in chat that someone had a grey parse... usually you can get away with it, but if anyone presses that report button, the GMs WILL do their due diligence...

@Zzz-ny6xk

2 жыл бұрын

cringe

@Nami

2 жыл бұрын

Shut up, geek.

@tommyspringfield7687

2 жыл бұрын

@@Zzz-ny6xk like your comment

@magamisic5924

Жыл бұрын

Problem with the system is that warning never goes away and it de-incentivizes talking with others. You don't know who will just randomly start reporting you

@PubstarHero

Жыл бұрын

@@magamisic5924 This is not true anymore. Warnings actually fall off now as of 6.0.

Me and the boys getting thrown into a cell for making a your mama joke.

@inukaiversus

2 жыл бұрын

It do be like that. *laughing menacing*

Considering what your party is talking about in the background, it sounds like there was a toxic player and you decided to be toxic back. It's very likely that if this was the case you both got marks on your accounts for it. It doesn't really matter who did what first, what matters is that both of you did something against ToS.

@zipzap8937

9 ай бұрын

The ToS is heavily weighted against the person defending themselves. If the offending party is truly awful and you so much as hint at them being bad in any way, that's ToS. It's hilarious to suggest this system of heavy-handed moderation works and has the intended and correct outcome.

@cdm966

9 ай бұрын

@@zipzap8937 I've been playing for 6 years and have had my fair share of interactions of every type of player and GM at this point, and I genuinely have no clue what you're talking about.

@zipzap8937

9 ай бұрын

@@cdm966 No one should be punished for having a reasonable, negative interaction when another player instigates it. This fact makes it painfully obvious that regular players are much more at risk from ToS violations than the people causing the trouble in the first place. There is no equitable solution in punishing reasonable reactions. Every other comment here discussing a policy of non-interaction with bad eggs in the community is a result of this poor moderation choice. This is not a system that deserves praise, it's a system that needs another overhaul.

@john_7000

9 ай бұрын

​@@zipzap8937another overhaul another overhaul that what u people always say in this game!!! Just shut up!! The ones that needs overhaul it not system, it the community end of story

@U9B

9 ай бұрын

@@john_7000 The system is always right! It's YOU who is the problem! Just don't ever speak or interact. That's what I do. I don't ever socialize in this game because, as you have said and demonstrated, the community is the problem.

Began playing XIV for the past 2-3 years and never have I known there was a legit gaol that the GMs could privately whisk you away to. 😮 I've seen levels of toxicity in chat and never have I interfered nor added on to it. I literally just close the chatbox to not see it. This makes me wonder how bad it must have gotten for them to take action like this... 😰

@highhorseo7875

9 ай бұрын

It doesn’t take much. A toxic player will bait another into typing something they can take a screenshot of to report. It’s an abuse of the report function but since when did toxic people care about abuse?

@SamFagundes

9 ай бұрын

@@highhorseo7875you must be dumb. cause the gm would have to review the instance that the chat occurred in an read back the chat logs to ensure the report is true. if they didnt do their job correctly, then sure they might do as you say lmao

@AngeliqueNade

9 ай бұрын

@@highhorseo7875Yeah, some people just want to start SOMETHING. Toxic or not. 😓 Sometimes not even a simple "hello" can pass by without someone being like "stfu".

@litchtheshinigami8936

9 ай бұрын

@@AngeliqueNade that gives me ptsd flashbacks to a ranked match i had in smite.. i rarely play ranked but i simply said hello to my teammates over voice chat and immideately got a "UGH MUTED" like bro how do you want me to communicate stuff to you then?" dude also proceeded to flame everyone but his party mate for being "bad" when he was the reason i was going terrible in the first place after he missed his rotations leaving me to die under tower..

@kennethdavidson6508

8 ай бұрын

And this is why people should just use the mute or ignore functions and move on. My gen x nature abhors the tattle to the gm culture that has taken hold. I'm unfortunately the minority now.@@highhorseo7875

I used to run Astral Flow aka Summoner Burn parties in the Korroloka Tunnel way back in the day. When another party showed up, I would always let them go next and we'd take turns to be friendly and fair. One day, a JP party came by and -ga III'd the entire pull to grief us. I went back to HP, switched to my BLM75/RDM37, and did it right back at them once their summoners used Astral Flow. Got jailed for it by [GM]Harquva, but was let go with no warning once details were explained and the chat log was reviewed.

"to them, it must have been the worst day of their life. For me, it was toxic tuesday."

Honestly i see this as a fair warning. I learned real quick if you come into contact with anyone toxic take screen shots. Things happen pretty fast when your tilted. Even calling the person a asshole in retaliation is against TOS. While you may have not started it you didnt take the proper steps to avoid dipping your hands into it. No one is perfect and people have bad days. Some more than others. If you know your guilt free then learn from this and readjust for when nexttime something similar like the offense happens

@zeehero7280

9 ай бұрын

Unfortunately a TOS that will give strikes on your account for a single poorly chosen word at a bad time is a game worth avoiding.

@TallWartortle

9 ай бұрын

@@zeehero7280 that's your choice

@ErraticFaith

9 ай бұрын

That is our culture and universal policy. If you don't like it - feel free to avoid as you say. It will not be changed and those seeking to change it; aren't welcome.

@thamorian

9 ай бұрын

​@@ErraticFaithGotta love all that positivity with a heavy undertone of passive aggressiveness. GCBTW.

@rotisseriepossum

9 ай бұрын

@@thamorian we're not a monolith, sometimes ppl are shitty

You didn't really say what kind of "rude" comment it was that you said. To say that the other person was much worse is not a good argument. This is about you in this situation. Pointing fingers at others in a situation like that gives me kindergarden vibes. Like seriously, you're not even owning what you did in this comment section.

@MalcomMalediction

Жыл бұрын

calm down I believe what this person was getting at was that the toxic person who made the report should be investigated too as they said inflammatory comments too so GMs should be fair and not be biased taking the side of the person who made the report.

@MalcomMalediction

Жыл бұрын

wouldnt it be crazy if the person reported had a chatlog of saying all kinds of insulting things to other party members and when one party member retaliated saying one wrong thing he/she gets the GM jail sentence, instead of also the person reporting? That is just shtty policing of the ToS.

@limsalalafells

9 ай бұрын

4:05 Person say they are toxic. This is reason enough for me that they are restricted.

@limsalalafells

9 ай бұрын

And sorry, pop up in my home even though it's old. I agree with you so I didn't post my own, and think that the time stamp is perfect evidence of what you said.

@rodimus580

9 ай бұрын

@@limsalalafellsthat means you are probably toxic thus, why you were quick to judge.

This happened to me a few months ago and I still have no idea why they said I was being mean but I don't talk in game and only use VC with friends.

Seeing the other party members discussing, sounds like something was said out of line on your end that got you reported. It’s possible the person who reported you wasn’t even the individual you were talking to… Seeing someone say something about how people are so sensitive these days has me thinking something was said that was out of line, especially if it goes against ToS to the point where they’d “yoink” you and slap you with a warning. Just be glad it was a simple warning and not worse.

@anarchicbean5888

8 ай бұрын

my thoughts exactly. someone else being out of line/toxic does not justify your own toxicity in return. Report them, stand up for the baby tanks, but do so without violating ToS

in FFXI they had the same system. I remember i got pulled in for griefing RMT players by aggroing mobs near them and having their aoe hit it. Next then i knew i was pulled into a similar room and was told that i violated the terms of service and stuff. got a 48 hours suspension; interesting times lol

@SeedlingNL

2 жыл бұрын

You were doing it wrong. You should have had the mobs agro the bots by themselves. It used to be that you could Bind a mob in place, at which point it would agro the nearest person. If a mob were to be bound in a small passage way, it would agro the invisible bots running around, and keep that agro until Bind wore off. Also, bats are social, so if a bat saw another bat have agro, they would join the agro as well. And if that small hallway is filled with bats, running around with one in tow.. well, it gets funny ;P It also worked on goblin fishermen, who can frequently be found near bot fishing spots. I managed to kill a lvl 50 WHM that way, although it took an hour for the poor lvl 21? gob, due to the WHM's innate regen of +1 HP... Sadly, they patched that one out, because it would also affect normal players in normal situations, but it was good while it lasted.

@dannyk8506

10 ай бұрын

Think of the poor RMT players :(

@Kairamek

9 ай бұрын

If they don't want vigilantes running around why do they have a Dark Knight job?

This was after the whole "harassment" ToS change, and yeah it's best to steer clear of inciteful words. People have become pretty emboldened to reporting people in general because of it, or maybe it's more along the lines that now GMs take action due to those reports. I recommend using a Discord with your Free Company/friends and verbally venting there instead of typing in game. On that note, I ran into what I can only describe as a player fishing for someone to get mad at while party findering into Palace of the Dead. They wanted to "not speedrun," so we were full clearing floors, but even that must've been "too fast" for them. They weren't new to Palace of the Dead, which was weird, and for some reason thought that we should be grinding the respawning patrols on every floor for levels. The other 3, myself included had strong aetherpool arms and armor so maybe we were perceived us as pushing them along. Not sure if they were typing other things, but their game seemed to stutter and we went 30(?) floors before he started to actively stop and hold the party hostage. Personally didn't remember what the player in question said, but they were fragmented sentences with long gaps like "I even said..." The whole party was trying to be helpful and figure out what was actually wrong without coming off as mean, but the vote abandon was an inevitability. I personally left the group like it was the plague and the ordeal acted as a push away from playing FFXIV due to it. It's been 3 months and I haven't had any desire to play Palace of the Dead again (I haven't put as much time in in general either). In a way I felt silenced, not in any ability to express anger, but in the fact that if I called out the player for stalling the group that I would find myself in hot water as well.

@LooneyClipse

9 ай бұрын

Kinda why lfg in potd is unpopular idea

@CamperCarl00

9 ай бұрын

@LooneyClipse It was a PF party. If it was an lfg party then he would've probably been kicked during one of the times he went afk.

@LooneyClipse

9 ай бұрын

@@CamperCarl00 i mean i count party finder = looking for group (lfg) so what i meant was always going with premades to avoid bad apples. Then again you cant always, which sucks.

@juicetang5079

9 ай бұрын

So one party finder incident turned you off from the entire game? You do know not everyone is like that right. You should've just put your big boy pants on and just fucking left the duty if really bothered you this much.

@CamperCarl00

9 ай бұрын

@juicetang5079 I've been playing FFXIV for a very long time, so just because this incident caused me to take a break doesn't mean I've quit. Though I've yet to do the recent patch content because of Disgaea 7, I did come back after this incident to farm for mog tomestones. I even stated that it killed my desire to play *Palace of the Dead,* it's that I had a lack of anything I desired to do that made me take a break. As for the incident itself, of course I knew that this situation is an extreme outlier, but it's not like I knew anything was out of the ordinary. Since no one knew what was going on until more or less the last moments of us being in party, I didn't have a reason to leave until that final confrontation. I had already invested a lot of time into this stint, so leaving before I could even progress personally would've majorly sucked. In general, I'm adverse to leaving parties because I genuinely hope to find a way to make things work even in hostile situations. I don't like to cross the line here, and ever since they've blurred the line with the ToS changes it's only made me more cautious in potentially charged player interactions.

The Goal is actually in the Dravanian Hinterlands last I checked, not terribly far northeast of the Alexander's bubble. You'd have to clip under the map to see it. From the outside it just looks like a black box. Similar to what apartments/private chambers look like if you can clip out of them from the inside. So if you want to vist your friend's in jail, you kinda can.

@yurisatoru1143

9 ай бұрын

Could there be several? Since the prison was already there in 1.x and 2.0, so before HW

@Rivvy250

9 ай бұрын

Probably, that or different instances to keep gms and player issues seperate if they happen to get people in gaol at the same time.@@yurisatoru1143

@gyuyr13213123

9 ай бұрын

Nope not true, the Gaol is it's own worldspace, I should know because I've used FFXIV Explorer to look at the zones and the Gaol has it's own worldspace meaning there's no way to access the place except via GMs

@Sharkz117

8 ай бұрын

The room you're referring to is not the GM jail. I forget what it is, but it's something different. You used to be able to get inside of it if you did one of the OOB methods that used flying mounts. It's just a random room filled with a billboard of notes and notes on the wall from what I remember. It's also a lot smaller than the GM jail is.

And if somebody reported me they was harrassing me and others for being toxic. No matter how many times I ready this it just sounds like an admission to guilt, granted, I don't know you, so I don't know what you're like. However just a tip for everyone ,if you get pulled into these situations, bring out your inner novel writer. If you don't articulate your thoughts clearly you can easily screw up and say something like this, which can be taken wrong, whereas if you took the time to speak clearly you could possible explain the situation(not that it would of helped in this instance)

@TacticalBe

9 ай бұрын

There's no point talking in there though. Once you're pulled in that's it, you're getting the warning/suspension.

@kodiak90

9 ай бұрын

@@TacticalBe This is correct. The GMs aren't pulling you aside so you can stand trial, they have already reviewed the case and determined you're guilty of whatever you were reported for.

I don't think the op is as innocent as they claim

@ReiEmeraldTakedo

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, side dialogue going on tells me they know exactly what incident this is related to. I smell some guilt being evaded here.

@jcoonie2

3 жыл бұрын

@@ReiEmeraldTakedo thats the issue with they said I said arguments though and why it never should be ok to take eithers side but thats how ff14 reports work is the reporter is always treated as right.

@ReiEmeraldTakedo

3 жыл бұрын

@@jcoonie2 I have... literal proof of that not being the case? I was once reported by someone who claimed I said something malicious in a dungeon and the reporting part, after it was determined to be false, was give a suspension for it. I only know this because the person in question belonged to an FC I had left some months prior.

@liger0jps

3 жыл бұрын

i told the guy to let the tanks have fun since they was all new to tanking especially since it was a 24 man (world of Darkness) if i had saved the original clip(had bad internet that day) the guy who reported me was more toxic and rude and mouthing off every second like other toxic people do. ps4 cant save chat logs(but pc can and i might have a friend who could possibly pull the chat log from the run.)

@mirasolovklose3888

2 жыл бұрын

@@liger0jps Based on your statement, you probably did say something rude to that guy who was being dick, but if they verified what was said, I hope they also took action against that guy.

I didn't know this could happen. It sucks to get yoinked to gm jail but im very impressed with the detail and amount of effort they do to pull you out of the game just to talk to you and literally put you in jail and the gm is a shadow figure. In other games they just email your account a warning and you can't play for a while.

@Oliviablackstarff14

8 ай бұрын

I got mailed in game with my warning 😂

@SRG6214

8 ай бұрын

Maybe the offense isn't worth putting you in GM jail maybe?

Reminds me of something that happened to me in an old F2P 2D mmo called Illutia. I got falsely accused of something and randomly got teleported to a jail similar to this. Of course that gm assumed I did whatever I got reported for and just left and wouldn't talk to me and it took a month before I finally got another gm to check chat logs and prove my innocence. Then they teleported me out and apologized. I had completely forgotten about this memory until I saw this video. I also had no idea FFXIV had something like this. That's pretty interesting.

@sirradez

9 ай бұрын

You're saying you were left in that prison for a month?

@Veddea

9 ай бұрын

​ Now he's leaving you without an answer for a month too.

@SonnoMaku

9 ай бұрын

I ended up leveling another character during that time. The max level was 50 and I got the second character to 40 before I got a GM to let my main character out. They wouldn't even respond to me on their forums. The last 10 levels took ridiculous amounts of EXP to level so I was pissed that I had to do it again. That game was fun but they ran it into the ground with a bad end game and hardly any story. You got to 50 and then could bank and sell EXP to get more HP and MP. The end game before I quit was camping bosses with long respawn timers with your small group of friends so that no one could get the level 50 gear. If you weren't part of the "popular" group you just didn't get your level 50 gear. They would surround the spawns 24/7 so you couldn't hit the boss. There was also an area I never got to because you needed some ridiculous amount of EXP sold to get into it. Everyone I made friends with ended up quitting to play other games once we hit 50 and realized all this. I think the game finally died a few years ago because it wouldn't run on Windows 10 or something. I'd log in once a year and walk around for a nostalgia trip but there were only ever 3-5 people online when I did so idk why they kept it running.

There was a time when I said that I didn't understand the mechanic of a trial in my first language (portuguese) in the chat of the party instead of the linkshell for accident and a played said "printed". Next day I logged and my account was suspended by 2 weeks, without a warning or anything.

Ohhh. I dont even care about the content of what happened but I want to say I remember this feeling of horror and shock when your character suddenly gets teleported to Gaol! I only experienced this in FFXI a couple of times for things that now I know to avoid but otherwise I can't even do some of those things in FFXIV anyway. Like getting a group of enemies to kill parties... (Evil smirk).. But otherwise, I learn to just ignore and let go of transgressions whether against me or if I really feel like doing something. Best to move on and do what we came to play online for: to play and not stress! Once you shake the feelings off you can usually just enjoy the game again. Edit: yeah I know its an old video but I just wanted to remark how I remember how this felt lol.

@DLMoridin

9 ай бұрын

Unfortunatly its not impossible to monster player kill in 14. Its pretty difficult but not impossible. Had it happen once to me when started leveling gatherers, had to go afk, A rank spawned nearby, some people picked a fight with it and when I got back the AoE's had killed me. Did not blame them, was 50/50 my fault for afk outside a sanctuary and just bad luck of the A spawning.

@litchtheshinigami8936

9 ай бұрын

the getting the group of enemies one happened to me recently. i didn't report it because they were a sprout but i defenitely had a moment of WHERE ARE YOU GOING? then saw him come back with this death tango of enemies and i was like OH NAH OH SHIT STAY AWAY STAY AWAY *everyone dies* gah dammit really? and then our sprout healer didn't see the shortcut so she did the walk of shame all the way back 😂 it was in one of the early dungeons too. and i'm not the most experienced either being only a sprout myself but my god did my heart drop into my toes

just because you dont recall, doesnt mean it didnt happen. you think GM's would issue a warning without proper evidence?

i love how one would say, if i was reported, then they were toxic. lol

Honestly, this is why I don’t like talking in game, some folks might take what you say the wrong way and try to get you into trouble. Kinda stupid that they never gave you any details on what happened

@lokifrostpaw2976

9 ай бұрын

Ikr, some "o/" and "gg" are all I did, also sometimes "LB"

@ChaotisRavendark

9 ай бұрын

Yeah, that’s pretty much the same here for me, along with the occasional ‘It happens’ or ‘It’s all good’ when a wipe happens.

@litchtheshinigami8936

9 ай бұрын

@@ChaotisRavendark this i always say hello or gg. if something happens i will analyse myself beforehand and be like oh my bad if i deem that i made a mistake somewhere. (like when my little lala legs couldn't keep up with the tank who was rushing the place so i couldn't heal him in time)

Only ever met one GM in the entire time playing FFXIV and that was back in old 1.0. Never since.

lol this is like the evolved version of what we used to do at Jagex (before they got rid of the SBAT staff and automated it).

@fruittella9487

8 ай бұрын

you talking about 20 years ago? xD damn

I mean, I've been put in GM jail for calling a french person 'baguette' and for telling a person to die during a boss fight so we can reset (which they took out of context). And since you can't explain yourself to these 'GMs', you're already proven guilty as soon as you get TPd.

The only time i was ever put in jail was after i wrote a long rant in the fc chat before leaving after the fc who recruited me to join their raid pt pretty much just ghosted me shortly after i joined the fc. Then after i joined a new fc i heard from that new fc member that previous fc was notorious for being like that.

Man it would be nice to know specifically what got said so in the future it doesn’t happen again rather than having someone giving automated responses.

I had a GM message me in-game before, i certainly never lashed out at players ever again.

I never seen this before, so interesting they'd actually try to speak with the player and also give chances to steer them in the right direction.

@alexandertiti

2 жыл бұрын

except they don't try anything. they tp you there to LET YOU KNOW YOU GOT FUCKED.

@liger0jps

2 жыл бұрын

chances are so vague because if they were trying to "steer" someone in the right direction they would say what you did wrong.

@DarkDyllon

2 жыл бұрын

you get told what rule you broke and that's it, goodluck finding the instance of what you did specifically. This is just an "you fucked up, now do better" without telling you how to do better.

"I've brought you here to Mordion Gaol..." I see roleplaying is part of the job description

Lol I got jailed for defending someone being harassed by an elitist prick, for a month...now I just don't say anything. They give you a suspension or soft ban for trying to help but don't punish the instigators, makes a lot of sense.

In over four years of gaming, I have yet to be placed in Mordion Gaol. I knew full well that what I say in chat could be held against me. Meanwhile, I did my due diligence in reporting bots for RMT. I am glad the red knights kept their distance. I would have streamed their folly.

@GuyN0ir

2 жыл бұрын

I called a guy a c word for intentionally waiting to roll on loot until the last second and ended up in gm jail :(

@lunaluu2213

2 жыл бұрын

@@GuyN0ir report them and move on no need for strong words like c word

@GuyN0ir

2 жыл бұрын

@@lunaluu2213 There's a reason I haven't been to gm jail since then, but thank you for your concern and patronizing advice.

@lunaluu2213

2 жыл бұрын

@@GuyN0ir how is it patronizing telling you advice ? There is literally no need for it in the first place and also good for you that you haven't been in there since.

@GuyN0ir

2 жыл бұрын

@@lunaluu2213 "How is it patronizing tell you advice of how you should and shouldn't behave?" I don't think you know what patronizing means if you can't figure that out.

I wish I would've known about this back in 2013 when I was trying tank for the first time and the healer said, and I quote, " why is our tank such dog S**t?" this single statement scared me away from tanking in any MMO until last year when I picked up GNB and my FC walked me through it. its why I'm so against toxicity now and WILL call it out

@razidae9360

8 ай бұрын

I also was called a shitty tank when I first tried and didn't pick tank back up for a while because of it

@Maximoshi

8 ай бұрын

I had a healer call me a shit tank when I was learning, and when they asked why I'm so bad at it I said "honestly this is the first time I've had to rely on my own healing to tank so it's spooky". They didn't say another word the rest of the dungeon

@user-ub1tp3hg4i

8 ай бұрын

@@Maximoshi I've gotten so good that while tanking with WAR yesterday, another Healer was mad at me because I didn't see the enemy attacking him during a big pull, and he attempted to let me die, but WAR is such a beast that I managed to keep myself alive XD

@Maximoshi

8 ай бұрын

@@user-ub1tp3hg4i a good warrior makes me a very happy whm. I get to dps to my heart's content

How did the party members know he was in jail by GM?? Must have said his location is in jail

Just got recommended this, this is scary to think about, I know it's 3 years too late but I hope everything was alright in the end. Some comments have stated that warnings go away after a while but, still.

@litchtheshinigami8936

9 ай бұрын

this. i've not talked to anyone besides like 3 people and those were all pretty wholesome interactions. one was in a dungeon where we just had a little chat about how i liked the game so far etc (cuz i'm still a sprout) and the other was a fellow sprout who just got into the game recently due to wanting something fresh and new. then the 3rd had a doctor who related name so i kinda just joked about seeing a blue box somewhere

@Rivvy250

9 ай бұрын

As long as you're not literally insulting anyone and just casually chatting you really shouldn't have to worry. Oh, but do be careful about giving advice. In this community its rude to tell people how to play if they dont know you, for some weird reason. @@litchtheshinigami8936

That's very interesting, thank you for the video! :)

"Aw sweet, free housing!"

Oh my god, that load time at the end

That seemed a bit unfair. They really shouldve revealed a bit more to you about the incident in question. It makes me wonder if the GMs even have the ability to pull full chat logs from reported incidents

@liger0jps

3 жыл бұрын

They claim they do, but it's debatable. It's annoying that they take the reporter's side in this and not listen to both sides. Plus if they claimed to have the chat logs they would read them and ask my side of the conflict anyway. Truth be told its hard to really say anything to anyone without putting a target on your back.

@liger0jps

3 жыл бұрын

@El Blasto they can restore deleted characters i had it done once long time ago back in late ARR but it requires you to give details on deleted character like name/race/class and other things and time of deletion(close to it)

@franciscogutierrez818

2 жыл бұрын

GMs can definitely look at all the information provided In-Game and even locate the tickets submitted of the people reporting your behavior , but when it comes to providing the information to the affected account they all are lazy as fuck. Since they can't copy - paste the information from the program they use right into the game, they will tell you that they cant provide it because they don't feel like typing it just for you to understand. Whenever you are getting GM assistance... Pray.

@c.s.7993

2 жыл бұрын

It's to protect the player who issued the report.

@liger0jps

2 жыл бұрын

@@c.s.7993 while I agree to protect the player. But sometimes you need to inform them properly of what they are being sent into the gaol for. The one thing to remember is that it’s not like I was sent in the next day the incident happened roughly 2 weeks prior. The only reason I knew why I was sent in after, was my friend got sent in days after I was sent in. The GM are too vague in explaining, because if they had then I could easily explain the situation to them.

Justice has been delivered

Ahh so that is intersection of Fuckaround meets Findout.

Something like this happened, you need to screenshot everything. Get there Avatar name, put it on there for them to see. And then have them get in trouble for being toxic. And not follow and TOS.

@hatad321

9 ай бұрын

Only a GM can do this, which are literally SE staff.

@TacticalBe

9 ай бұрын

Almost 100% sure that everyone involved got a talking to. I've seen people that report also get a warning/ban because they also said a few things (not as bad but still)

Damn, but to be fair we all know the ToS, on the release day of 6.5 I was playing the new alliance raid, everyone was new to it, and a tank decided to troll by ruining towards the rest of the alliance whenever they got a tank buster, he killed the vast majority of the party 5 times, even if they didn't killed me once I still got tilted because it was the first time for everyone and one dude decided to be a smartass, I just told him to F off, If I got a warning about that I wouldn't even be mad, I let my emotions talk for me instead of just stay quite and report him, I even have a recording of the events so it was a clear case, plus the rest of the alliance was calling him out, but those people get a hard on for those negative reactions and I just fell into his game, still hopefully he got banned, I and several members of the alliance opened a report, I even shared the recording with a few of them.

Next time just vote to kick and dont say ANYTHHING

If you recorded this im sure you had the recent chat logs also recorded to show everyone?

@liger0jps

2 жыл бұрын

the thing is i dont because the incident happen like roughly a few days prior to me going into the gaol, and i didnt record it since i was on ps4. and i didnt think to much of it.

@MrAngryMonkey100

2 жыл бұрын

@@liger0jps besides SE GM don't take videos or photo evidence as they say "it can be manipulated" which has happened in the past...

@liger0jps

2 жыл бұрын

@@MrAngryMonkey100 that is usually the case the GM like to be vague and one sided. Plus saying you got proof of any kind usually results in it becoming null and void. Its a dumb thing they put in the ToS they would say. If the GM has access to the logs like they say they do. They would be less baised and more reasonable.

imagine being put into video game jail and trying to lawyer and whine your way out instead of just going "ok sorry bro"

TL;DR I say one mellow thing: Let the tanks have some fun they are all new to this, and this salty dragoon goes off mad and reports me. Not only me but a friend got sent to the gaol for the same reason. Mind you I bite my tongue a lot for reasons because I rather not say anything. But also sometimes walking with a mentor crown on also puts a bullseye's on my back. Also to those that don't know because it never has been said. But what you say even if it's helpful can be used against you. And of the past 3 weeks, this has been the case where if I say anything it's almost a high chance of being sent to the gaol. So now I take a precaution to report anybody that threaten or harass me and use the chat as my witness.

@wiseferret4745

3 жыл бұрын

You should have reported him for reporting you and shown the GM the ticket number.

@acidosis1985

2 жыл бұрын

OH A DRAGOON, that explains alot.

@LightSilver7

2 жыл бұрын

screenshots better be crispy.

@alyssarasmussen1723

Жыл бұрын

i was a dragoon a couple years ago so if i was the one who reported u im sorry :( (i was on famfrit)

@liger0jps

Жыл бұрын

@@alyssarasmussen1723 no your fine since this was on aether. You didn’t get me reported. So don’t worry about it.

Okay so I got tell from a person after a pvp match accusing me of doing emote on their dead body and I swear I didn't do anything. They said they had a photo or a clip of it and since I'm confident that I didnt do it I told them to watch it again and see if it was me. I'm pretty sure they just misclicked me. Anyways, so I'm bothered that I might get jailed, but my bf told me that GMs would take an hour or so to review it and since its been 8 hours since it happened and I'm still in game, I guess theres no report happened? But I'm still anxious. Like how long usually for the GMs to take action on a report? And if I'm able to prove myself innocent would they still push through with a ban?

@liger0jps

Жыл бұрын

GM’s are slow to respond back. Plus they would have to review the claim first to see any evidence of it and if it’s pvp it might take awhile like weeks. Also if a person is going to tell you that they are going to report you. You can report them for harassment. But if he looked again and saw it wasn’t you then maybe he didn’t report you. And honestly most people won’t risk catching warning from a GM for pvp.

not the 'sigh everyone so sensitivite these days' from the party chat, lmfao

As a former player, situations like this dont just happen for no reason. In the good old days, you just black list the person and move on. Saying anything can get you into trouble if you arent careful. Their is also the option to kick from party or what my fc likes to do is intentionally sabatouge the run to make him even more mad. Its very easy to do with a tank as your ally. Just pull the boss to either another tank or to some randoms to get them cleaved. Lol

@Sharkz117

8 ай бұрын

Intentionally sabotaging the run is also against ToS, as it falls under griefing by definition (and in your case, by admittance to making them even more mad). Don't do this or you'll end up in GM gaol too. Just vote to kick and/or blacklist.

had the same issue, had to take care of my little brother since he had shit himself, so went AFK, got mass reported and 3 day banned for it. 1st time i got an "warning" was when i was "exessively swearing" mentioned there is an profanity filter enabled by default, that i didn't do anything to get around the filter, but their response was "you shouldn't swear" so the profanity filter is useless. Xenos also got banned for something stupid and the messaging of it is dogshit, same for the email you get, it tells you which rule you violated but not the instance, aka, you'll never know what you did and when to prevent it from happening again. You can force SE to tell you the specifics under some EU law though (forgot which)

I’ve been playing since 2013 I’ve never seen anything like this

@Funguspower2

2 жыл бұрын

Its pretty hard to get in trouble in this game. The way this person talked to the GM seems like their a bit of a dunce to me playing innocent. Also their FC chat leads me to think this is more deserved.

i always keep my mouth shut when ppl are being toxic this is why i just report em so i dont get sent to gm jail for a responding

Hmmm maybe cause I only respond to lewd comments 😂

Damn I’m always giving the goggity makes me scared

I think its awesome that they do this in ffxiv! Not related to the case here but 8n general. In other games you just get banned without any information

Should have unsheathed your weapon and told him to come at you

The way they deal with cases in this game is awesome

@zipzap8937

9 ай бұрын

It's awesome that people get punished for self-defense against toxic people? There is no justification to pull this shit when someone is rightfully and outwardly upset at the poor behavior of OTHER players.

@georgecameron4754

9 ай бұрын

@@zipzap8937 If your "self-defense" involves breaking the rules yourself, that's on YOU, not on the toxic player. Just because someone's toxic towards you doesn't obligate you to respond.

@zipzap8937

9 ай бұрын

@@georgecameron4754 This is entirely subjective and leads to disproportionately harm the person defending themselves. You yourself have said exactly what others have said, that the best response is not to respond. Do you not see that this means there is an insane amount of over-correction going on here? The reality is that a zero-tolerance policy is broken and should be addressed. You should not praise the inability for GMs to moderate with no sensibilities at all.

@georgecameron4754

9 ай бұрын

@@zipzap8937 Sorry, but you’re wrong. It’s not subjective at all; it couldn’t be more cut and dried. There is nothing in the TOS that says you can break the rules because someone else breaks them first, and only a spoiled child with no self-awareness or accountability would try to make that argument.

@zipzap8937

9 ай бұрын

@@georgecameron4754 You're willfully missing my point, so I believe this conversation is over. If you would like to continue feel free to re-read anything I've said as it is fairly clear.

did you report that other perosn

I'm so confused, what is this? I play FFXIV but this is like some custom server, whats going on?

Stronger than titan gaols

Stuff like this is why I play on the JP data centers.

Well someone likes neptunia and that is not a bad thing.

How did you let all this happen without challenging the Gm to deathroll for gil?!? Such a wasted opportunity dang

I had this happen once while i was in potd, wasn't doing anything wrong just playing and chatting with the other players, 2 of whom were part of my fc, same exact environment but no one showed up XD no one whatsoever, sat there 10 mins with nada happening, confused as hell to what happened and what i did, so i closed the game and logged back in and everything was fine. o?

The violation was clearly the 13 unopened letters you have

The fact that you don't remember it is irrelevant. They receive ALL logs when a report is filed. They don't need you to remember what you did wrong, because they have proof you did it. If you really don't think you were toxic to anyone, then it's likely you dealt with a toxic person yourself, and, as most people would, fired back, which is just as against ToS as being the first person. If someone is being toxic, blacklist and ignore them.

Looks like FF 11 jail

Not FFXIV but something I must comment on. One time I tried selling an OLED Switch for a fair price (not higher than $50 MSRP) on eBay. So, using my most recent email, I created an account and put it up for sale. Within the hour I was notified my listing was taken down and my account permanently suspended. All they would give up is that I violated their terms of service and would not tell me exactly what I violated, and I never won that fight. That being said, I can't stand the way "justice" works online. Unlike criminal court, they don't need to present evidence of what exactly you did wrong, they just have their "evidence" and roll with it. I can foresee harassment with the procedures of FFXIV, and basically any other online community. Just frustrated with that, and this video reminded me of such an event.

and this is exactly why i leave or kick from parties and mute/block players

Ah the culture of guilty till proven innocent culture. Got to love it.

Any language foul is declared harassment.

you messed up but not telling you what you did wrong...this game is a GF emulator then?

GMs don't just issue warnings willy-nilly. They have and reviewed the receipts lol the action on your account wasn't up for debate, so "I don't recall" is useless. Judging from the FC chat, OP is not so innocent either.

The GMs in FFXIV have access to basically all public chatlogs. If you're being pulled into jail, they usually have hard evidence, they don't do this over you just being reported for an argument in alliance roulette lol

@Snow-Ista

8 ай бұрын

And the GM's in FFXIV is also a lot more active then other MG's in other mmo's like WOW or GW2 for instant thy are as much a part of the community then one one ells i love the fact when you feel down and just grumpy the GM's would start a conversation with you just to see if your oky i had it happen to me a couple of times its not a supper rare thing like in other mmo's to see the GM in chat

I love FF14 but i swear there are way to many sensitive people on the game. I got put in jail one time cause a tank was clueless about the game and wouldnt turn on tank stance and kept wasting our time and i was a little straight forward on trying to get that person to play somewhat correctly and got reported for it

@kodiak90

9 ай бұрын

That isn't a sensitive community, that's a violation of FFXIV's ToS. Specifically it's under: Nuisance Behavior > Offensive Expression > Expressions that compel a playing style. I don't know about your specific situation, but being "a little straightforward" sounds like a euphemism for trying to enforce a certain style of play on someone. If a player is doing something you don't agree with, the ToS instructs you to phrase your criticisms as a suggestion. Also before it's taken out of context, I'm not stating that criticism is a bad thing or that people should behave like this in real life. I'm saying that shirking responsibility for a ToS violation onto players for being "too sensitive" is a fallacious claim.

@davidlazzeri4450

9 ай бұрын

@kodiak90 you right I shouldn't tell someone to turn on tank stance so they can play their role correctly and I should just report them for being a nuisance and causing people to die

@kodiak90

9 ай бұрын

@@davidlazzeri4450That isn't what I said.

Even if someone is being toxic towards you, doesnt mean you should say anything back. Its partially why I dont chat or look at chat unless its absolutely necessary to clarify and communicate. I do my own thing and essentially ignore others. You cant get in trouble if you dont aay anything. Our "right to remain silent." Is a valuable right in any situation even outside of the law. Majority of the time, saying nothing will avoid these instances and the risk of losing your account. Its a hard lesson to learn. But if youre going to say anything at all, say something a bit more insightful that encourages thought, like "Why are you doing this?" Dont insult or attack back. Even saying, "Stop/Please stop." May seem like a coward move, but it will save you in the end. A GM cant really review the chat log and see you saying stop and say you dod something wrong. Ive run into toxic people in PF and i just try to educate them on how its a game and not everybody is on the same level as you and to be more understanding. The last time something like that came up was a few months ago and the guy was being a bit bossy to get people to fess up to what they did wrong. I explained how i saw things and i did eventually hear his side and understood, but encouraged him to be a bit less aggressive or assertive about it because it is a game afterall and you have to work with people. At the end of the day, even if you can get to a cetain prog point in a raid, doesnt mean you should feel entitled and act like people are trying to waste your time. Its a team effort game. Majority of people arent trying to make the party worse for you. Youre likely making it worse for yourself. Just today i had two DPS run ahead of me as Tank and the healer. First mobs we didnt realize healer wasnt following, but we took out the mob. I noticed the healer wasnt following, so i waited, the dps took on the mob without us and i didnt say anything. I just let them face their own consequences and i didnt commend them at the end. My sctions showed me waiting for the healer snd saying nothing. Cant really get mad at me for that. Those dps can only be mad at themselves. One of them was being very greedy and pulling mobs way before i was even there or had agro on the first mob. I just went along, did my tank things, if they die, thats on them. I'm not going out of my way for you because you cant be more patient. I only have so much sprint and movement speed. I cant teleport like dps can. Basically, use your right to remain silent in more situations other than just the law. It will save you. Calling the other person toxic is understandable, but its also psuedo-admitting you did something wrong because of someone else upsetting you. When you couldve just remained silent.

i never got a warning i got slapped in the wrist and sent lmao 3 times

It may be 2yrs ago but this was just a pointless song and dance, and a waste of everybody's time. It could've sorted itself out with one of you getting tired of the other and blocking them. Mod intervention seems wholly unecessary unless someone tries to avoid getting blocked by using alts

Well deserved. Follow the TOS or perish.

Look I know they're just doing their job but could they be any more fucking vague? "Oh you got a warning" "From when" "Well you violated our ToS, we can't say when though" "So what did I do wrong?" "We can't say" Like thanks...but what the fuck am I supposed to do with this information?

What the heck is this impose punishment first ask questions later kind of shit...

@rodimus580

9 ай бұрын

That’s the crap I had happen only to be apologized for the ban being in error?!? Tf! Broken system gives power the the manipulators and gas lighters in game that are cancer in the “cOmMUnity” .

Never let them know your next move, should've hit him/her with a RMT spam

BE NICE TO THE SPROUTS!

In a game that allows ERP, typed prostitution, killing, animal abuse, gambling, addiction, and more but better not say a bad word to someone else or you get in trouble. You know cause logic. I understand people being toxic but this type of system isn't smart. I have run into numerous people that play FF14 and they refuse to type or talk in game but will speak their minds in VC on something like discord or talk through Twitch. They will NOT touch the chat box in game for fear of typing the wrong thing. When people are afraid to talk you need to rethink some of the TOS. I have had several days where I will sit in a major city and there will be numerous people hanging out and not a single word being typed in chat but they are moving around and being active so I know they aren't AFK.

They look at chat logs. :)

@rodimus580

9 ай бұрын

Nope. If they do they cross eyed.

I got brought here once for spamming quick chat (apprently) in PvP. I'd never heard of it, or seen it before. I genuinely thought it was some sort of spontaneous event or similar

Its annoying because if they dont tell you what you did wrong, how can you defend yourself or avoid doing the same thing in the future.

@rodimus580

9 ай бұрын

It’s simple. “YOU CAN’T”

Wait, you can go to jail in the game?