The problem was the story in the general, not the character only.

@KingOfhearts72

20 күн бұрын

Also gameplay. Why,just God WHY did they continue to double down on casualizing classes after shadowbringers?

@aldetauri7831

20 күн бұрын

The story is so fucking bad. I had to start skipping some cutescenes to just stay sane.

@ChimpanzeeUltra

20 күн бұрын

@@aldetauri7831 skipping life to enjoy the life

@aldetauri7831

20 күн бұрын

​@@ChimpanzeeUltraim not even kidding when I tell you all you have to do is read the first few pieces of dialog to know what is going to happen. They repeat the point over and over.

@Lenox188

20 күн бұрын

No it's not, the problem was the pacing in the start and some narrative structure, like wuk lamat beign the protagonist almost every time that she appears, besides that, dialogues, new characters and the expansion of the lore was really good

Now any criticism is going to be deflected because the VA is trans

@bauloprete3905

20 күн бұрын

Yet your being transphobic

@bauloprete3905

20 күн бұрын

Yet your being that person

@laxminarayanbhandari855

20 күн бұрын

@@bauloprete3905 "that person" wdym

@CWFDSmokeEater

20 күн бұрын

@@bauloprete3905 What are you even saying. The guy is saying that any legit criticism is going to be thrown out because the character is trans.

@ricky_pigeon

20 күн бұрын

@@bauloprete3905 you prove his point.

The problem is the writing and pacing are terrible compared to previous expansions. It's basically this: receive quest from Wuk Lamat, dialogue dump, go do quest, return to Wuk Lamat, another dialogue dump, do next quest, return to Wuk Lamat, dialogue dump...it's absolute misery. I realize Natsuko Ishikawa has stepped into a director role instead of writing but they desperately need her to write the next expansion because clearly she's the only talented writer working at Square Enix currently.

@fredy2041

19 күн бұрын

The writting and the pacing is not bad, you would know this having you play, itstead your troll copy pasting what others say

@Tyhar93

19 күн бұрын

@@fredy2041 Realize that you are in the minority of people who think it's good lol

@user-ob4kn3rp3j

17 күн бұрын

​@@fredy2041just admit you have bad taste. No one is agreeing with your bad takes, no matter how many comments you beg and plead in.

@grygaming5519

17 күн бұрын

@@fredy2041 Stop defending bad writing. Stormblood and ARR in terms of writing and VA were bad....we're getting a repeat when these lessons should have been learned 8 years ago.

@collenjets123

17 күн бұрын

@@fredy2041 I made it to about level 97/98 and just stopped caring. Ive never skipped MSQ cutscenes at any point until now. I was genuinely having to force myself through this expansion and i started it off really excited for it. If the games post patches are just as bad i just can't see myself enjoying this game anymore if the story and world falls apart due to horrible writing and character assassinations.

Most of the complaints I hear is that the new character is insufferable for a good chunk of the MSQ.

@rodrigomoreira2629

16 күн бұрын

I would say she's insufferable until the credits roll

@booblaa9734

16 күн бұрын

90% of the lines are this character. You can't escape her.

@krowtic6807

3 күн бұрын

I'd agree that she's just not a very interesting or compelling character but it has absolutely nothing to do with her having a trans VA for the English version, like Kern is suggesting. This is obvious for everyone with two brain cells to see by the reviews being mixed in every language.The issue is 100% the writing and the lack of quality/interesting elements.

@Burningwoodz

2 күн бұрын

not if you skipped the MSQ lol

he can't play FFXIV next week because he's gonna finish Cyberpunk 2077 next week! /copium

@ricky_pigeon

20 күн бұрын

at least he finished Monster hunter, well, the story anyway.

@Navhkrin

20 күн бұрын

TBH CP77 is like million times better than FFXIV.

@GGMEHD

20 күн бұрын

That’s the same day that he plays Genshin

@justarandomperson6909

20 күн бұрын

​@@Navhkrin the games are very different genres, they can't really be compared tbh

@perc30...

19 күн бұрын

​@@Navhkrin pfffft

I watch these videos for the editors. They do not disappoint

@bsvenss2

20 күн бұрын

I read these comments for your comments. They do not disappoint.

@LarsSigvard

19 күн бұрын

Only his streams dissapoint: *watches 20 min vid* says very agreeable things & ends reaction with a segue onto another video only for him to endlessly watch videos and not play games. (And if he does - he constantly complains and quits playing - only to go back & react instead)

I played through the entirety of dawntrail, watched every cutscene. Honestly, I think people are overfixating on Wuk Lamat and completely overlooking the real biggest flaw in that story: Bakool Ja Ja. Motherf*cker almost ended civilization by releasing an apocalypse-level kaiju, and everyone's fine with that because he has a tragic backstory to excuse his behavior.

@TheCuriousPuppy

13 күн бұрын

There was a point were they're talking about the Mamook issue and you ask Wuk Lamat if Bakool Ja Ja's backstory excuses what he did and she said no, but after that there didn't seem to be any real consequences for him(as of entering the level 96 storyline). "Team Rocket" antics are one thing, releasing a being that has attacks that do massive destruction and endure for decades is another. Even if no one died, the potential was there. Then again, what would the consequence be? He's not showing his faces because he's tearing himself up inside. Gaius led armies to rain death and destruction in conquest although he was sort of killed and came back to fight against the Ascians. Emet Selch assisted in the destruction of worlds, tried to show us that it was a good thing and we killed him because he was going to see it through. Zenos treated death and killing as a game and we killed him because he was going to continue that path. Meteion's sisters wouldn't listen to her and were singing destruction to the universe and we killed them. So maybe with Bakool Ja Ja's mental state, the traditional noble sacrifice? Maybe for the giants? Maybe something post-game will pop up since you haven't seen any repercussions for him and I'm only halfway through.

@nekrozmozga3878

13 күн бұрын

​@@TheCuriousPuppyi think they lead him to noble sacrifice. But he became so chilling and cool dude, it will be sad :c

@Burningwoodz

2 күн бұрын

skip the story and you dont have to worry about it being bad or mid

Other country's VAs: Professional head shot and appearance. American VA: Selfie on the front lawn in a hoodie.

@DittaDemon

Күн бұрын

Why would he bother making it professional? Any ctiticism of anything he does is just transphobia

I’m only halfway through, but the biggest problem is that Wuk Lamat just doesn’t grow and is forced on you. Her brother, the tech enthusiast Second promise, goes through a pretty big mental growth phase but just gets pushed aside for the obvious “I love everyone” good guy candidate immediately. She just really isn’t interesting of a character so far, especially compared to people like Emet or even Fourchenault

@Darkrengi

20 күн бұрын

You can't compare her to emet selch. That's not fair at ALL, there aren't many characters in any ff media that can live up to him

@bauloprete3905

20 күн бұрын

Dude. Are you joking? Have you been paying attencion? She litersly expresses how weak she is at lvl 92. Your a liar.

@eternalgamingforum7562

20 күн бұрын

@@bauloprete3905 But her personality does not change at all and she gets a random power boost out of nowhere...Bakool Ja Ja could block her strongest attack with ease , a few quests later she destroys him with his goons helping. It ist stupid.

@bauloprete3905

20 күн бұрын

@@eternalgamingforum7562she literaly does. Either you have the attencion of a child or seems you hate growth on a fenale character. Go back to collegue kid. Read a book

@Runefather

20 күн бұрын

You can hear that it is a man trying to put on uwu voice. Pretty revolting.

Finished the game. Watched and read every single Cutscene, and dialogue including side characters. I thought the VA was fine, but the character writing and dialogue was atrocious. Wuk has zero character progression, which wouldn't be too bad if she was a good character. But she's basically Narurto "I want to be Hokage!" Tier, and she never changes. The characters that do get some development do so in the worst way possible. Their entire character will do full 180 flips on their beliefs in the space of two dialogue boxes. It gave me whiplash.

@ArariaKAgelessTraveller

20 күн бұрын

We wonder whether they hired a "Consultant" for the writing

@minuette1752

20 күн бұрын

I loved the story myself. The voice actress was good and almost all the characters are well written and the story was phenomenal. edit: It was a solid Final Fantasy story without all Hydaelyn/Zodiark stuff. Plus no Ascians for once since they are mostly in the life stream now save for a couple. Yes there were some clique moments but what final fantasy game does not have that?

@IKIGAIofficial

20 күн бұрын

Shes Naruto without being all alone and going through tragedy after tragedy making you root for their dreams to finally come true.

@KingOfhearts72

20 күн бұрын

I cannot wait to see the team mess up the game as badly as they did ff16. Once 14 falls square Enix rightfully collapses.

@JoshsGameClub

20 күн бұрын

That was my experience, too. The story did get better in the last half, for me. I'd overall say it was good, but not as good as the last couple expansions.

I don't think the problem is with Ishikawa being absent for DT's story writing. It's just that, after finishing the Zodiark/Hydaelyn arc in such a spectacular fashion, there was an organic need for the stakes to be smaller this time, otherwise constantly battling a universe-scale threat would get stale, and we'd get another WoW situation, with retcons upon retcons to keep the next threat greater than the previous one, but nobody really gives a damn anymore because nothing is believable. Even a writer of Ishikawa's skill couldn't salvage that situation.

@dragonriderabens9761

14 күн бұрын

exactly! people upset by the fact that the game was exactly this failed to understand that this was the point from the start and tbh, it annoys me that this failure is doing so much damage to the game

@PuthySlayer69420

14 күн бұрын

no it went woke woth gulool jaja wuk jamat something being the villain and some ff9 copycat garnet being like im the final.boss and becomes some mechon

@Monsieur_Net

13 күн бұрын

Finally a sane take.

@adarkes01

13 күн бұрын

People don't like DTs MSQ because it's boring. Small stakes is not an excuse for hours and hours of talking to wuk lamat, generic fetch quests, talk to 3 NPCs for information. It's like beast tribe quality of writing for an entire msq.

@larrythebomb5001

13 күн бұрын

It sucks too because it seems like of newer or maybe younger gamers just don’t give a damn about story anymore either. Which explains why so much gets retconned and it’s only us older gamers who grew up with some of these games are annoyed with it haha.

The problem is that the first half of the story quest is basically the ARR Titan build up quests but waaaAAAaay longer.

@imaran1303

15 күн бұрын

No it isn't. It is a journey to learn of the myriad of cultures that live on Tural. Add to that that it is Wuk Lamat's journey for growing up. From becoming the self-conscious, childish idiot to actually becoming a good leader. I get how people may be upset how we aren't the main character anymore. But they need to realize that this rite of succession isn't a threat to us. Wuk Lamat could have literally used us as a attack dog to immediately win any competition. But it was HER job to overcome it.

@MenrvaS

15 күн бұрын

⁠​⁠@@imaran1303It is ARR and Stormblood, but better. It is a story about growing up and filling a big shoe for Wuk Lamat. To us, its a vacation. I go into the expansion with that mindset, and it is pretty great.

@imaran1303

15 күн бұрын

@@MenrvaS Exactly.

@wessel4111

15 күн бұрын

​@@imaran1303 And the the ARR Titan build up quests were you going to earn the trust of the scattered remaining member of the company of heroes and earn their trust to understand the sacrifice required in culling the unending primal threat for ephemeral peace. The point is, in a game that is basically a visual novel going from point A to B and talking to npc's, doing these quests are tedious and not fun and the trope of overcoming evil using the power of friendship in a plot is just poor unengaging plot-writing. To make the visual novel aspect work the plot has to be good to mask the fact that the gameplay is just talking to npcs and fetching crap. All other expansions have done a good jobs of this, Dawntrail fails miserably at this until you get to X'ak Tural/Catboy Texas.

@imaran1303

15 күн бұрын

@@wessel4111 You realize that this 'Power of friendship' thing has been a thing since Heavensward right? Heck! The reason we won against Meteion is because of the power of friendship when our friends pray for our success and our safe return. It has been a part of FF14 forever, and you complaining about it NOW of all times sounds disingenous. FF14 was never really about fighting mobs in our MSQ outside of dungeons and trials and solo instances. And we are the person who traveled to the edge of the universe and beat the manifestation of depression in the universe... it would have felt more jarring if they had us go beat up boars to collect 5 boar asses, us sitting back and babysitting a noob who was still growing to be a good leader was the best way they could have done it.

The only problem is Zack has not resumed FF14 yet

@laujack24

20 күн бұрын

all mmo r over rated, with exception to the very first wow. after that all the same shit

@StriderIK

20 күн бұрын

problem???

@jurb417

20 күн бұрын

i see no problems here

@Wineblood

20 күн бұрын

He can't keep getting away with this

@cementao

20 күн бұрын

As a regular XIV player, I don't blame him. Dawntrail is an overextended beach episode, nothing to rush back for.

The issue is not that it’s woke. The issue is that Wuk Lamat is in about 98% of MSQ and has insane amount of voiced lines compared to literally anyone else. Compounded with weak story it makes her insufferable to a lot of players. Myself included.

@bauloprete3905

20 күн бұрын

Sounds like your transphobe

@kohlicoide2258

19 күн бұрын

Like someone say "If you like DT MSQ depends if you like Wuk Lamat" i mean she has more words spoken then everyone else in the Story and its not even close

@RoboChocobo

19 күн бұрын

It's ridiculous. If they wanted us to like Wuk Lamat then they shouldn't have squeezed her into 6.5 so they could bore us to death for the first 1/2 of the game with weak character writing. Giving her a cuter ENG voice like her JP dub would also have helped.

@lumberjackscoot8497

19 күн бұрын

Honestly, Wuk feels like a 2.0(ARR) Alphinauld. Super annoying, incredibly naive, and doesn't know how to collect excellent firewood. Feels like she needs a solo adventure with Estinien.

@silanah

19 күн бұрын

@@lumberjackscoot8497 Have mercy on the guy. Estinien deserves better… 😂

People emphasizing what isn't important often times hurts explaining what is. They went full WoW storytelling with this expansion; your character is just there as things happen, and you're a side kick to someone you have no connection with while also not being given proper motivation as to why you're supporting them. Not only that, but the characters you do know don't act like themselves for the sake of not overshadowing the main character (again, not you). It is the Thrall situation all over again with them being over used for several areas and then coming back to take the spotlight again. Little player agency and their new writers not being true to the established characters. Back in Shadowbringers they had new characters with each zone, along with established characters you knew interacting with them equally. Then they showed up again when it made sense in the story and you were either glad to see them or get some closure. This expansion reminded me of WoW story telling so much that I looked up the date for the pre-patch while playing it.

@misst5835

14 күн бұрын

This is a very interesting perspective thank you

@ASNS117Zero

13 күн бұрын

The game reached it's natural endpoint in Endwalker. They're dragging out an already finished title in order to milk the whales. That's why it's so bad. It's the same reason most comic books end up as shit after a while. Everything stems from that.

Dollar store villains, phoned in characters, and extreme amounts of unnecessary fluff is what decreased the quality of the story by an order of magnitude. It's a significant drop in quality, that's why people are getting frustrated with it. Pointing to the characters and the English VA work of Wut Lamat is just one of many factors that lead to this, but it's also the easiest one to point out.

@RoboChocobo

19 күн бұрын

There's so many areas you can point to that signify weak direction, rushed development, or a lack of concern for the story they were telling. So many scenes where characters talk about how they feel instead of acting. So many scenes where the WoL is just standing near the edge of the frame watching other people do stuff. Hell, they didn't even bother providing alternate cutscene animations for Healers; if somebody is injured or dying, the WoL just stands watching while Alphinaud, Krile, and Alisaie do the generic hand-extended healer animation.

@Chippaization

19 күн бұрын

wild they didn't tell one of the villains that Garlemald is gone and everyone wants peace....

@NabsterHax

18 күн бұрын

@@Chippaization Which villain are you referring to? I'm pretty sure everyone involved knew Garlemald is no longer a threatening force. Zooral Ja's claimed philosophy is to teach the populace to appreciate peace via subjecting them to warfare but that's also just a smokescreen to his own personal issues.

@starbog1

17 күн бұрын

@@Chippaization Okay, all critism aside - one of those villians directly adresses Garlemald being destryoed due to dumb leadership, which he wasn't wrong about. One of their leaders literally thrown their whole culture and nation into civil war. Which he thinks won't be the case with him. You could say it's dumb, but not that it wasn't adressed

@matrinezkevin11492

11 күн бұрын

​@@starbog1dude just said "garlemald wuz dumb lmao" and then proceeded to be a bigger tard than Varis ever was politically and militarily. Guy was EXTREMELY nearsighted in his goals. The Garleans at least had the whole ascian internal subterfuge plot mixed in with the inability to reach peace with eorzea due to wanting to get rid of all the eikons and eikon worship even if those gods were the twelve themselves.

The characters va was bad but it’s not the only issue, even Jp people hated the writing

@bauloprete3905

20 күн бұрын

No kid. She was not bad. Stop being duscusting. Seek help

@JohnHurt-ym5jq

20 күн бұрын

@@bauloprete3905 ??????? LOL

@bauloprete3905

20 күн бұрын

​@@JohnHurt-ym5jqwhat a liar. You are. You dont even play ffxiv

@DMaster8686

20 күн бұрын

@@bauloprete3905 Try again, in english this time.

@Svoorhout85

20 күн бұрын

​@@bauloprete3905 Put your phone down and get some fresh air. Your comments are out of control.

Whats allegedly woke/DEI casting is the fact that they hired the VA despite her not being good. The writing and localization isnt the best either but the other language VA's sound good. This one does not. So its not because she is trans, its because she was hired because she is trans.

@bauloprete3905

20 күн бұрын

Okay transphobe

@lingricen8077

20 күн бұрын

Its ZOOMER pandering as always

@Marzaries

20 күн бұрын

How would you even know that

@RealTaIk

20 күн бұрын

They are an okay VA, not even amongst the top 10 worst VA's ff14 has, why make such a fuss about them being trans? Explain to me how your mind works please. If an okay VA was only hired "because they are trans", then why were the worse VA's hired who were hetero cis people?

@KironX1

20 күн бұрын

@@justsomeguywithoutamustang6436it’s because Americans hate trans people and will find any excuse to hate on them. It’s really dumb here we are.

The problem wasn't Wuk Lamat herself so much as ignoring the path that was already travelled in the previous expansion. Either they cut stuff because of limited cutscene time or the writer wasn't entirely versed in Endwalker. The biggest example of this issue occurs In the later half of the game. There is a feat from the previous expansion that carries with it a great deal of emotional weight to various characters. There is a deeply touching, thought provoking moment that was never realized which should have occurred, but did not. To see potential unrealized is bittersweet at its best and vexing at its worst. The community is grappling with how to express it in these reviews. Also, I always have jp voice acting on so this is news to me.

On average, Wuk Lamat's VA isn't terrible. The issue is, she has a full HALF of the dialogue in the story, and anyone could tell you that gives a VA plenty of opportunities to fudge a line or two, and runs the time available to fine tune direction and vocal deliveries to razor thin margins. It was a recipe for disaster, and disaster did happen a few times, which soured the whole end product.

"Lore consultation" is that even a real thing?

@sn5806

20 күн бұрын

Either you pay them a few million or their "journalist" friends will run hit pieces on your company until you do.

@gerardopadilla2666

20 күн бұрын

@@sn5806 Which do absolutely nothing but actually good PR. The moment when investors realize the untapped potential of rage baiting the woke mob for free publicity.

@StuninRub

20 күн бұрын

I don't know, did Elden Ring really need to pay George RR Martin?

@MangoPanic

20 күн бұрын

Yes lmao, when you have a massive fantasy world, someone has to be the dictionary to make sure events fall properly within the lore

@JohnDoe-on6ru

20 күн бұрын

No...But yes.

That announcement aged well. You must be a level 153738 dark knight by now Zack. Play till Shadowbringers maaaaaan

@lolilol5346

20 күн бұрын

No one care about this game anymore . Its actually crazy how there is 0 hype for the expansion.

@Akantorz

20 күн бұрын

@@lolilol5346 Damn you got ratioed into the shadow realm.

@nguyentandung42

20 күн бұрын

@@lolilol5346dude it’s literally top 3 biggest mmos of all time and have kept that position forever now, right now it’s actually the biggest beating out Wow and runescape in player counts. This game will literally never ever fall off

@Grimnoire

20 күн бұрын

@@Akantorz ...? he didn't though I don't think it matters because this comment has 214 likes and there are 8 billion people on the planet

@Akantorz

20 күн бұрын

@@Grimnoire He replied the same day to the comment and has only 6 likes, that says a LOT. I posted a comment slightly after him and almost have just as much likes. Comments like his are just dumb anyone, so it was just poking fun at him.

They picked bad clips to showcase the VA. Any time an emotion is needed she delivers the most flat, monotone performance imaginable. That voice you heard here is the same one she uses when she's in pitched combat for her life.

@the13thjoker

17 күн бұрын

Typical these anti-woke narrative. They only pick any clip that suit their agendas. So tired of these woke vs anti woke crap

@Luna-Starfrost

15 күн бұрын

*He

@Luna-Starfrost

15 күн бұрын

@@SWHHReice Doesn't change the fact that the dude misgendered the voice actor which offends me.

@moth7579

15 күн бұрын

@@SWHHReice it is him, not her though

@Luna-Starfrost

15 күн бұрын

@@SWHHReice I don't care about what he identifies with, I care for reality. Reality says, it's a him. Calling HIM a women offends me. Stop misgendering people purposely! 😌❄️

Here is the story: A Naruto-like protag getting Pokemon Gym leader Badges to become The Hokage & save the region from the typical random Villain As a Pokemon/Naruto fan I loved the story but I do know 1000% that is not the cup of tea for a lot of people! Battle content wise its been AMAZING✨ better than Shadowbringers and Endwalker

@CanYouResistClick1ng

20 күн бұрын

Halfway through the MSQ it turns into a Disney Princess story gone horribly wrong.

@fredy2041

19 күн бұрын

@@CanYouResistClick1ng our 100% an absolute liar. seek help troll

Here's the issue with this expansion's MSQ, it uses the story structure formula of XI that has you be the sidekick of whomever is the main character of the expansion, in Dawntrail that's Wuk Lamat. So everything relies on Wuk Lamat actually being a good character and if she isn't then everything goes to shit. They had to make sure she was written and voiced competently and they completely blew it. Unironically she's like Naruto, a shonen protagonist, which isn't everyone's cup of tea, but the larger issue is her english voice acting which is completely flat. This is the most obvious whenever she does speeches in front of a crowd.

@RoboChocobo

19 күн бұрын

It's a bad formula. Players have hundreds of hours invested into their characters by this point in the story and won't react well to being made second-fiddle for some Poochie in a poorly paced and directed narrative. This doesn't mean the players want a power-fantasy that worships the ground they walk on, but just to have a story that respects them and their time (in a game they pay for). Players would have been absolutely thrilled if 30% of DT was just walking around Tural on vacation doing frivolous stuff with their favorite Scions, but instead these characters are barely present in the story, so that the WoL can stand at the edge of the screen while Wuk Lamat talks.

@MementoMoriGrizzly

18 күн бұрын

Just call it as it is. Complete garbage. I know you guys are trying to not sound offensive, but the va is really terrible. They could have picked a random woman from the streets, and she would have done a better job, and I'm not exaggerating.

@danny123451

18 күн бұрын

I much prefer 11s formula myself.

@Will_Forge

18 күн бұрын

As someone who hasn't played FFXI or FFXIV a day in my life and only know it by researching it and listening to friends, your comment is the clearest at explaining the issue to me. It's one of those situations where we don't need to know shit to be able to read your comment and be able to tell you know what you're talking about which then makes us informed. Just had to say that because I also try to avoid games where the game treats me like a sidekick. It's not an interesting way to make a game in most cases. I think Bioshock 1 is the only time it's been done masterfully, and a handful of other games do it without ruining the game like the Fire Emblem series. But most of the time it just serves to make you feel like the game is mechanics only and like you're pointless and wasting your time. Anyway, great comment.

@snintendog

17 күн бұрын

Its just a long and drawn out escort quest with a weird overconfident and WEAK character that cause 90% of the trouble in the DLC. At least Naruto is likable and isn't reliant on others while still saying he is hot shit. He is Hot shit because he can back it up. This is only Compunded further with the ANNOYING FAKE ACCENT. AND The ANNOYING FAKE POUFTER Voice.

There is no bigger indictment of a character than "eh he/she's ok"

@DontGiveUp_Skeleton

20 күн бұрын

A bigger indictment would be that "she's bad".

@godless1014

20 күн бұрын

A bigger indictment would be "she's worse than Lyse."

@bauloprete3905

20 күн бұрын

​@@DontGiveUp_Skeletonwhat a liar you are

@bauloprete3905

20 күн бұрын

​@@godless1014ok tranphobe. Not worse by a mile, get helo

@F34RDSoldier805

20 күн бұрын

@@godless1014 Except she isn't. You guys really forgot how insuferable Lyse was as a character. Lamat is just obnoxious because of her immaturity and over enthusiasm. Same reason I hate character like Luffy. But it's insane to say she's worse than Lyse in the main SB MSQ. Not even close. You guys really like to reset your brains to make things seem worse than they are.

Tbh the issue wasn't the actress, but the voice direction compared to the rest. She was being directed HORRIBLY. Also keep in mind, after Endwalker our character's personal growth journey has essentially ended, we became a legend. Through A Realm Reborn, Heavensward, Stormblood, Shadowbringers; we follow other legends or follow their example. In Dawntrail it is now our turn to be a legend that leads a promising new warrior to greatness.

This sounded fine to him????? It took me a few seconds to come to the realization that this is not some YT fan dub but (presumably) the actual ingame audio.

@FaceFish9

17 күн бұрын

it is the (sadly) ingame audio for the EN...and my god it gets worse from that point on.. (spoilers) literally there is a point where her dad dies and the EN voice is just pretty much that meme audio of the black man crying after his son tells him (dad i still love you).. you know the one...

@Alex-uq5ez

12 күн бұрын

Also she uses one accent for normal speech, and another accent every time she states the name of a place... like girl, this is supposed to be where you are from....your native accent "is" the accent you should be using to properly pronounce the place name... it would be like if i were talking in a vietnamese accent to an american but made sure any time i said a city name i emphasized to say those names in an west african accent... people gonna be confused!

"Didn't earn it" VA *and* consultant unsurprisingly fumbled.

@F34RDSoldier805

20 күн бұрын

The consultant is not DEI... She's been on the team for a long time even working side by side with Koji Fox through SHB and was lead for EW. She is an inhouse localization lead literally just like Koji Fox was. She took the spot when Koji Fox went to lead the localization for FF16. I hate 3rd party consultants as much as the next person, but not all "consultants" are the same thing. Again, she's been on the CBU3 team for a long time already. You guys are reaching so hard. You guys are literally the woke equivilent of ( the other side of ) woke people. No nuance or logic in what you guys say at all. She has not shown to be a problem at all. The same issue (outside Lamat's voice) are the same for Japan version as the English version. The change in writer was the issue.

@oli9881

20 күн бұрын

@@F34RDSoldier805 EW seem like the right term, yes

@Hirome_Satou

20 күн бұрын

@@F34RDSoldier805 She may not be DEI, but I have had major issues with the FFXIV localization for a LONG time. The vast majority of the translations are not just incorrect, but the tone and intent of the dialogue is often drastically different from the Japanese source. I play the game with Japanese voices and English text, and I'm constantly cringing at how bad the translation is. Most characters are like different people in Japanese than they are portrayed in English. It'd be quite difficult to point to a single line of text that is not largely changed from the source.

@Deadnickers

20 күн бұрын

@@F34RDSoldier805it is DEI

@F34RDSoldier805

19 күн бұрын

@@Hirome_Satou That's because they would write a completely original version for the english and Japanese language. They literally wrote them side by side. So the english version isn't a direct translate of the japanese version, but a side by side creation. Koji Fox would explain how he would sit with the lead writer and they would go off one another on how the story is written. It's why it feels more natural in english than other translations of japanese creations, where it would sound "anime" in english dub. This method would remove that. They did the same with FF16. You might take this as a bad thing if you don't like the english version, but it's not. Yoshi-P has also said that he doesn't like it when people say the dialogue of the stories sound too "anime" when in English. He wants it to sound natural in both English and Japanese. If you don't think they achieve that, idk what you want or your just being disingenuous, because they absolutely hit that. FF games made by CBU3 sound by far the most natural in english as compared to literally any other FF game ever for that reason. They put a ton of work into achieving that. I understand people are trying to find reason into convincing themselves and others that this is a bad thing, but it's not, because they aren't localization as much as they are written twice from the ground up for english and Japanese. If you want to know more, try to find one of the Fanfest dev panels where Koji Fox talks about their writing process. They don't do the traditional "localization" methods of just translating Japanese to english. They do as I explained, which is much more thorough and done on complete collaboration with the JP writers AS they write it. This is likely why the text doesn't directly translate to JP voice audio. Because it wasn't meant to. They are two different versions of the same script created for their respective languages, and since the two languages don't translate directly to one another without sounding unnatural in one language or the other, the result is that you get a sub that isn't directly translating the JP dialogue. It is what it is. If they didn't do this, people would cry about the unnatural english dialogue like they do with anime dubs. This services the vast majority of players better by miles. The only people who will complain about this current method are super weebs that refuse to play the English version even when it's great. That simple.

The voice actress being trans has nothing to do with the fact she just didnt have the chops for the role. And the writing team dropped the ball on things at several points. There wasnt any woke stuff I really noticed other than peace love and friendship but thats hardly woke.

@ohno7582

20 күн бұрын

Actor*

@M_CFV

20 күн бұрын

The woke part is pretending trans people are the gender they say they are, period. "Woke" in the sense that the right keeps trying to use it, is in actuality, Gnosticism.

@Athousandsons

20 күн бұрын

Shes literally voice acting a fucking khajitt you guys horshoe theory so much to the other side you might as well be a tumblr activist.

@bottomlefto

20 күн бұрын

"she" you know it's jarring learning English as a second language then I turn to the west and see those who have it as their native tongues meddle with something as basic as males are "he" and females are "she"

@xrcvbn

20 күн бұрын

Don’t be obtuse. Yes it does. You think they would hire a terrible VA and triple down on it if they didn’t fit a certain demographic profile.

Been replaying Baldur's Gate 3, and the writing, voice actors, and character animations make that game. It's just so good with it's story. When I go from playing BG3 to seeing that FF14 clip, it's just so bad.

Powered through endwalker in launch weekend, just got one level so far in dawntrail.

Bring back ishikawa. Yoshi P, so we dont end up like WoW Dragonflights Narrative.

@arionell

20 күн бұрын

Honestly, we just did. Dragonflights is nothing but power of unity and friendship and forgiveness to solve whatever tf is happening in the Isles. Dawntrail has the exact same concept, except its on the realms of anime.

@user-ot3qr4pu7v

20 күн бұрын

Maybe Ishikawa doesn't want to involve anymore because she know the story is going to be DEI shit

@Spamkromite

19 күн бұрын

@@user-ot3qr4pu7v Most probably.

@RoboChocobo

19 күн бұрын

She's a busy lady. Sadly, we can't just expect her to be chained to the FF14 writing desk forever... but it does suggest they need to overhaul how they handle their writing team.

@Sylvira_Sui

19 күн бұрын

@@arionell isnt that like literally any JRPG? xD power of friendship and forgivness is the thing since ARR.

Reminds me of that localization "experts"...

@joshanonline

16 күн бұрын

Ff14 has been going Woke for a while. You can see tons of characters with dark skin and unmatched hair as if they just got skin-painted last minute. Well, Enwalker story got butchered and red-conned badly, which indicates wrong hands on it. Game looks better but certain content gets worse.

@leoli1589

15 күн бұрын

@@joshanonline Give a few examples?

1:00 “the absolute giga golem” 💀

I’m only on lv 94 story quests, and I think the voice acting is fine. The only issue I have are that we are still getting unvoiced scenes, and when her character is yelling it seems off.

asmon didnt say what 21st of what year he would come back to it could be in 21years

The gameplay is super fun. Trials are amazing, dungeons feel fresh beyond just being 'new'. The story just... it drug on. It wasn't a 'slow burn', it was just slow pacing. You didn't really DO a whole lot, like a 3rd-rate visual novel.

@liamwilson7549

20 күн бұрын

That’s ARR for you, we are returning to the roots.

@rajder656

20 күн бұрын

@@liamwilson7549 After 10 years you think they'd have learned how to set up the story

@aytony4090

20 күн бұрын

​@rajder656 after beating FF16... no, no they have not. Still love that game but man, they really just did what they ere familiar with which is lame

@JathraDH

20 күн бұрын

I am pretty fine with how the story went except the ending doesn't sit right with me. Like the ending itself is fine but I am not ok with what happened on a personal level. I personally found that you were more on the sidelines refreshing. They still acknowledge your strength and presence more than enough times. It doesn't always have to be directly about you.

@SaltyGround

20 күн бұрын

​​@@rajder656 the funny thing is, ARR is better than Dawntrail at setting up shit. In Dawntrail the best way to describe your experiences is "and then this happened."

the voice sounds like a customer service rep at target

Some of the main issues is that this time your character is a npc (which has been a mixed reception). When you finally get to shine, Wuk Lamat takes that away from you. Wuk Lamat is very much a love or hate character. on top of that, ALOT of the voiceless cutscenes relayed important information that relates to the story. Which didn't make sense. With the biggest issue I had was the short time you had in Shalloani.

When people use wording such as, "It's not half-bad, it's OK", most of the time what they are doing is just trying to avoid saying that it's bad.

@collenjets123

17 күн бұрын

and honeslty i understand the copium too. I don't want my favorite game to suddenly be shit either, but gotta face reality with this one.

@cattysplat

16 күн бұрын

@@collenjets123 FFXIV playerbase is insanely high on hopium but it can't last forever.

@slanderpop8771

16 күн бұрын

I know this is crazy, but stories can be just ok and not bad. There isn’t just good and bad

@dudeco93

16 күн бұрын

what they are doing is using a concept known as weasel words or euphemisms to try and talk about a topic without giving their full thoughts or touching on the full real topic. Both concepts apply to what you are saying haha and I could not agree more. All the dungeons and trials were awesome the story though sucked butt.

@adrian-iw7gm

16 күн бұрын

is it just 0 and 10 in your mind? do you need help? The story is mid, the gameplay/fights are good, how do you rate this?

The problem of dawntrail is the pacing. They basically make the story "I want to become Hokage" to a slow crawl with more cutscene which does not even have impact. Which lead to, early burn out.

@stanktatiousd7732

17 күн бұрын

Literally where I’m at. I haven’t even finished the lv90 quests, and I’m ok with a bit of development at a MODERATE pace to start setting the grounds for the story, and I’m painfully bored. I’m having to force myself through seemingly endless chores; it’s tribal quest MSQ from the feels of it. I get that it’s Wuk Lamats story but they could spice it up just a little to make it more interactive instead of tedious (and they could have made her a bit less of a dope). It’s to the point that I’m about to start skipping cs if they are irrelevant (which has been the majority thus far) and I don’t like that because I don’t want to miss something that could potentially be relevant to the plot. Relevancy shouldn’t be buried in a mound of waste. The story itself has been ok, kinda slow, but enough to keep my attention but let me stab something, or see someone get stabbed or a pie to the face, dammit lol

@Gofr5

17 күн бұрын

@@stanktatiousd7732 Yeah I'm not done either, still at the level 98 MSQ, but the first half took waaaaaay too long. The rite of succession should not have been half the expansion, OR they should have made it more interesting for us. That whole arc is us just being Wuk's lackey doing chores for her the entire time while absolutely nothing happens story-wise. It's painful. The second half isn't too bad so far, things start to pay off a bit more, but I haven't finished it yet, so can't say completely how it is. At any rate, it is better than the first half.

@kizylle5204

17 күн бұрын

​​@@stanktatiousd7732so it's ARR 2.0? that's a let down

@johnathan5906

16 күн бұрын

​@@kizylle5204lmao that's exactly what I said to my friend when she was telling me about the whole Wuk being the main character thing. I'm like Pog we are a side character again, it's early ARR all over again. Of course I'm being sarcastic and I think it's stupid.

@nguyenvulieuthanh

16 күн бұрын

@@kizylle5204 Saying ARR 2.0 is a right because this expan has the best dungeon, trial ex, music in the all expan rightnow and of course graphic update, story is poopy but damn cant wait for the normal raid next week. Look at EW which has highest score but it's content is truly EW

Just to clear the air here. Dawntrail is ARR. That's it. We're in it now. We'll get through it. Next expansion will be awesome, and we'll be like "Hey, remember Dawntrail..?"

I'v heard Wuk Lamat been described as 'The Poochie' of FF 14, and yeah its been that so far into the story.

@tamiko_chxn4974

14 күн бұрын

Luckily for us, if even awesome characters as Aymeric technically disappeared after their story arc, we'll get rid of her very soon, let's hope they learn from this and don't screw it up again

If it's the same writer who did Stormblood, then this makes a whole lot of sense...

@lovelygargoyle5248

20 күн бұрын

Stormblood had two writers, one did the Ala Mhigo story, the other did the Doma one. It's why the story only gets good once you get to Doma then drops when you come back to Gyr abinia.

@HMNNO

20 күн бұрын

​@@lovelygargoyle5248the ala migho was slow.... The 2nd half was good

@25xxfrostxx

20 күн бұрын

It's the writers that did the Werlyt story. They were fine with side content but don't have what it takes for the main story and in a game where the story is a central part with two and a half years between expansions, it's a big disappointment.

@Kesvalk

20 күн бұрын

that explain why wut lamak feels like a mary sue, just like lyse was in stormblood.

@bauloprete3905

20 күн бұрын

Your a complete absolute liar. Nothing to do with stormblood.

For me immersion in story broke very early on when I realized "Yeah, my WoL could have solved this real easy real quick". I'm at lvl 95 story and damn it felt like being cucked every step of the way up to there. We even came to call expansion Cucktrail in shouts because how much ppl were held back from doing shit in story. I'm not invested in the lore the slightest, from a get-go they want me to read literal "wall of text" as a lore dump - yeah, no buddy - skip. You don't even get to hit anything until lvl 91 or 92 which is insane. You could get away with that in EW because we were invested in story but this is not how you setup new story. My last MSQ(MSQ!!!) quest was picking up bird shit. I just couldn't... I get it we are in full reset but it feels too much like ARR.

@bauloprete3905

20 күн бұрын

Okay transphobe. Same ppl who complain of the wol steeking with the same characters

@Desu-Desu-Chan-San

20 күн бұрын

It is a new story arc... It is literally ARR 2, it is laying ground for the next set of expansions. If you are not a lore person of course it will be slow for you, it is all lore

@F34RDSoldier805

20 күн бұрын

WoL solving everything would literally go against the point of the story, which is for Lamat to go through the trial and grow. I don't like her very much either, but to say WoL should have just solved everything shows that you weren't paying attention or didn't actually play through it.

@WaywardVector

20 күн бұрын

@@bauloprete3905 who sent lil bro out in the trenches to fight with the equivalent of sticks and stones 😭 we can see all your comments, ride it raw bud 💀

@Navhkrin

20 күн бұрын

FFXIV team has proven again and again that they cannot write a proper story prologue and instead resort to dumping Wikipedia information for you to read. Anyone that has read good fantasy books will know this is amateur and shitty way of doing things whereas in professional writers will set up tension, mystery, likeable characters and have player go through minor events as they are being introduced to the new setting.

I dont care if the person is trans, animal, alien or skynet as long as the voice acting is good and it fits the character

Love you editor for always adding context.

Ok I'll say it. The VA is fucking awful. Yeah, I had no idea she was trans, cause when a friend showed me a clip it sounded like a woman. So what's my issue? The lack of emotion, that it sounds like AI according to a friend (giving him no context), sounds just plain and the exact same all the time, and worse of all, it makes me feel I'm on a call with customer support in India. So far I can't say shit about the story since I haven't finished, but the VA was bad enough for me to go JP and god what a difference from the way I see the character.

@idontmindpineappleonapizza9591

20 күн бұрын

hahahah

@RoboChocobo

19 күн бұрын

An imitation of a voice versus a voice of sincerity.

@OilFreeFeathers

18 күн бұрын

>Sounded like a woman You might need a hearing aid.

@BlueEyesWhiteViera

17 күн бұрын

The VA can't show emotion without their actual male voice coming through.

@collenjets123

17 күн бұрын

It actually makes sense now if its a MTF. They HAVE to tspeak in lowercase at all times because if they actually put emotion into their voice you'll hear the man underneath and it'll break immersion.

what makes the MSQ worse is that neither the scions or WOL speak up when something is amiss since they have plenty of knowledge in dealing with things...it's like the writers don't know what they have done or achieved plus the hyper shonen "power of friendship fixes all problems" and "loves" all her people....when she never seemed to have left the city once in her life outside of meeting us during the last expansion....hell even all the new skills are lackluster as hell.

I had no issue, with Wuk Lamat. My issue was the abrupt change of pace, in the opening MSQ. It felt a little "rushed" and honestly, the last fight should have been in the next big patch.

He's going to play it right after finishing cyberpunk

I have no issue with the VA or the voice of the character. What really makes her insufferable was the fact that the whole expansion was literally baby sitting this stupid cow and it felt as if the person who wrote this expac added their oc into the game and shifted focus from the player being the main character. I didn't feel like the warrior of light or hell not even an adventurer I was a glorified baby sitter at best.

@bauloprete3905

20 күн бұрын

Sittibg a cow? What an absolute liar

@livamyyo

20 күн бұрын

You're correct, they're lying. It's more akin to babysitting a mentally deficient toddler. She was endearing in the first half but became overbearing after the Rite was over.

@SuperBrainSandwich

20 күн бұрын

@@bauloprete3905 *Baby sitting, not "Sittibg"

@catinapan4956

20 күн бұрын

You got me at "cow" 😂😂

@cylontoaster7660

17 күн бұрын

It really did feel like an OC insert, but they did it the wrong way. Wuk Lamat would have probably been better handled if she was a character amongst many instead of a character overshadowing many. The Scions feel like cameos at best and even with the non-Wuk Lamat characters that are new, they barely get any screentime or scenes. You know you've messed up when the audience likes Bakool Ja Ja more than the main protagonist of the expansion

THE PART AT THE END WAS JUST OK? I was crying yall

The end is so funny I had to watch again 😂😂😂

And if you say they're not good, they'll will say it's because of phobia or some shit.

@Uelibertiga

20 күн бұрын

Which makes sense. If you hire for diversity rather than talent you scare the customers into thinking the product will be bad.

@glimoreganajai2206

20 күн бұрын

well no shit its phobia, character is definition of uncanny valley

@specturr

20 күн бұрын

we call that the victim card

@fredy2041

19 күн бұрын

Have you seen the comments of this place? Its literaly transphobia

@MementoMoriGrizzly

18 күн бұрын

@@fredy2041 You mean common sense?

That voice acting sounded pretty damn awful I won't sugar coat it.

@bauloprete3905

20 күн бұрын

Liar. She did not

@DMaster8686

20 күн бұрын

@@bauloprete3905 I confirm the VA sucks and you can't call a lie a subjective opinion you 🤡

@user-xg4nu1xn3k

20 күн бұрын

@@bauloprete3905 It's an opinion. I did not lie, you think she sounded good, thats fine. I think she sounded bad, thats also fine.

@bauloprete3905

20 күн бұрын

​@@DMaster8686ok. So your are a trans phobe

@bauloprete3905

20 күн бұрын

​​​@@user-xg4nu1xn3kokay transphobe. Seek help weirdo

Y'shtola only got like 10 lines of dialogue in the whole base expansion.

Tbf, when he said the 21st, he didn't say what month or year...

Here are the criticisms of the character, and all are quite fair. 1) Even though the voices and region are based on South America, and South American women don't really find a lot of roles, they hired a greenhorn from the USA who is MtF to fake the accent. The accent doesn't sound authentic to the region. 2) The VA is doing her best, but she clearly doesn't have the skills to fake the accent and give emotion when not speaking at moderate volume. Any shouting or anger or such emotions come out dull and flat, or lose the accent. 3) More evidence is being shown each day that they altered the story during English localization to fit a more Western agenda. With a lot of the context removed, there are scenarios in the story where people perform actions that make no sense at all, and it comes across as arbitrary deus ex machina as a result. 4) The writing for Wuk Lamat is how Zack's friend described it. It's 'okay'. 'Okay' when compared to all the other characters is painful. It is like a fake, washed-out paste ruby sitting among a collection of carefully-cut and shined ceylon sapphires, tacky and distracting. 'Okay' is garbage. 5) Some of it is just lazy-goofy. Comedy and fun are great, but as an example... repurposing a minion that looks like a Mickey Mouse glove (based on the selection cursor) to point to find something, and playing it off as a serious arcane device? Not even in a playful moment. It's a life-or-death situation.

@bauloprete3905

20 күн бұрын

Seems like you problem. You never pointed it out this with any other character

@bauloprete3905

20 күн бұрын

Looks like your beibg a trans phobe

@ralphbeez1411

20 күн бұрын

@@bauloprete3905 Stop crying like a little bitch in response to every single comment critiquing the expansion, it gets sad to see this level of fanboying.

@bauloprete3905

20 күн бұрын

​@@ralphbeez1411ok transphobe

@nev0788

19 күн бұрын

@@bauloprete3905 bro you need to get a life and get off the internet. you are in almost every comment defending this shit. it's pathetic and sad.

everyone saying it's a fun hehe vacation is coping it's just a chore simulator with a super generic mid story, the writing is pretty bad but we did get really good battle content

@aTypicalMushroom

20 күн бұрын

Its medicore Not bad Not amazing

@KingOfhearts72

20 күн бұрын

This. They are the people you know that do everything in a single day whenever new stuff comes out,then AFK in limsa literally forever and claim ff14 is the greatest game ever made.

@pointlessmanatee

20 күн бұрын

@@KingOfhearts72 you seem to have strong views on final fantasy fourteen

@aj0192

20 күн бұрын

​@@KingOfhearts72 man ur replying to every comment ur worst than ppl afk in limsa get a life

Hire woke people feel the hammer.

There definitely are issues with Wuk Lamat. The voice acting isn't terrible, but it falls really flat in certain points. There's story beats where I expected more emotion or fluctuation in the voice actor's delivery, but they just come off as flat and amateurish. Whether this was an issue with the VA's experience or the directing, I'm not sure, but some of the criticism is certainly valid. I feel it wouldn't be too noticeable, but considering Wuk Lamat is essentially the protagonist of this expansion and the spotlight is directly on her, all these issues are amplified and put front and center. It doesn't help also that the story was not very well thought-out it seems. I am glad the whole ascian story is over, but I feel they could have done better hyping us up for something new. Wuk Lamat is certainly not as strong as a leading lady I'm afraid.

Honestly playing DT, its on pair with medicore story like ARR, not bad as people think it is. Dungeons are so far fun and the fights have been great.

@bauloprete3905

20 күн бұрын

Its not mediocre at all. Your a liar

@Navhkrin

20 күн бұрын

@@bauloprete3905 You are correct, calling it mediocre is a long shot, it is hot garbage at best. ChatGPT writes better story if you ask it to.

@SuperBrainSandwich

20 күн бұрын

@@bauloprete3905 *You're, not "Your"

@shawnscouten5184

20 күн бұрын

ARR’s story was godawful for like 80% of it, so I suppose that comparison is apt. Fights are good though.

@shatterpointgaming215

20 күн бұрын

​@Navhkrin pretty sure Baulo is chat gpt herself lol

Black veil brides. There’s a throw back

I think because it's the setup to a new story arc the updates before the new expansion are saving the hype also because they're busy tryna appease all the extra content that people want that give the game replayability besides just the one time main story quest

I pray for his return but I know it might never come :(

I play in Japanese and I found the new protag to be as boring and stupid as Lyse in Stormblood...

@DZatheus

19 күн бұрын

Man, I had high hopes for Lyse.

@RoboChocobo

19 күн бұрын

On the bright side, Ayaka Shimoyamada does a great job in making her sound like an adorable idiotic kitten when they swing for comedy.

@foxypoxi

19 күн бұрын

At least Lyse was stupid and naive and people were treating her as a child and help her grow up which eventually she did and became somewhat competent leader. Here Wuk Lamat is worthless and sort of self-aware of that but ignoring this fact anyway most of the time. Yet everyone tell her she's special and in the end thanks to 'what do you know she WAS right!' miracles and being carried by WoL and her brothers she is slowly but surely get gaslit into believing that it is true.

@OilFreeFeathers

18 күн бұрын

>As Lyse In stormblood Lyse was the tag along on your adventure. Now, you are. Wuk Lamat is 100 times worse.

@FaceFish9

17 күн бұрын

yeah.. i had to change to JP voices.. and sure Lyse was bad.. but she was pretty much a naive child and she did mature during the story and Lyse was never the main character, you were. but Wuk? she doesn't mature, she isnt naive or cute, she is just a fucking child... a stupid... child... and you have to be with her... almost at every single quest... you are not even the main character, and she comes and steals your kill in the end too! LIKE... WHAT?!

I need to know what plushie those are in the background

From what I've been told by others, it's not just Wuk Lamat,, some of the other VA (English and otherwise) also have some wooden or phoned-in performances (specifically among the Scions) because they have so few lines saying not much of anything important that you get the impression a lot of the VAs weren't sure why they were brought in to record anything at all.

Game is Midtrail. We were lied, it's not a vacation - it's babysitting. Fights and gameplay - top notch. Story is modern "turn your brain off or you will hurt yourself" Gets """better""" at 96-97. VA is not as a problem as whole story and english localization. This dogwater somehow loses around 60% of original meaning in every voiced cutscene. Also you forced to do WoL choices that arr-ew WoL wouldn't do. DEI message kinda trying to squeeze in.

hes winning ever since blizzard conspired to kill his studio and firefall huh

If you think of Dawn Trail as the Naruto: Tiger Mizuki Filler Arc, its not as bad as everyone makes it out to be. The bosses in the dungeons are the real treat this time around.

I don't think the issue is the VA's. I think they weren't properly directed. The expression often doesn't match the context. Characters giving speaks to thousands of people just talking casually to the crowd. Very, very bad directing. I wouldn't be surprised if the VAs didn't even watch the scenes during recording.

As a controversial opinion haver I don't give a hoot about a VA being trans or not; that voice acting just wasn't very good. The mixed reviews on Steam are not for any political reason but simply because people find the Dawntrail MSQ to be pretty undercooked.

The MSQ feels like it has been made by suits from Marvel.

I don't think it's any FFXIV players or devs that are to blame for half our country denying hormones, vaccines, evolution, & ecosystems exist.

Nice they made a Race for them in game. 😂

When your localizer has pink hair, you know you're in trouble lol

@ricky_pigeon

20 күн бұрын

the bald one is better, actually legendary. so you must be onto something.

@CalmTempest

20 күн бұрын

The localizazion is good. Wuk Lamat's English VA is meh. The negative reviews are from the story being super slow for 20h.

@CaptainFancyCat

20 күн бұрын

​@@CalmTempest Sorry, but she doesn't compare to Koji Fox. There were like no funny puns and the dialogue is just bad. Koji is a big fantasy nerd and knows plenty of terms and phrases that make it not feel like modern writing.

@CalmTempest

20 күн бұрын

@CaptainFancyCat Of course she doesn't compare. She has half the experience. Give her some time. I play with JP voices and EN text, and they're pretty accurate

@mateussoares3569

20 күн бұрын

@@CalmTempest accurate? accurate??????????????? you on drugs?

I didn't care much for the story outside of playing cowboy in Shaaloani, which is funny given that the zone was the breather period between the two major plots of the expansion. With minimal spoilers the first half doesn't really set up the characters for actual nation leading and is more of a culture tour. The second half goes completely off the rails and suspension of disbelief even by Final Fantasy standards. It's the kind of story a child would be accused of making.

@theapothecary1774

20 күн бұрын

Did... you just skip all the cutscenes?

@cyanmage1

20 күн бұрын

that second half is totally in line with any ff it is basically the villains plot from ff9 before that goes up in smoke and the whole terraforming the planet so another planets population can live there blows up, its almost a 1 for 1 retelling of the near final part of ff9

@KingOfhearts72

20 күн бұрын

@@theapothecary1774 not an argument.

@theapothecary1774

20 күн бұрын

@@KingOfhearts72 you are correct and quite observant, it was a question. The answer to which will give me an idea of where they are coming from with their critique.

@theapothecary1774

20 күн бұрын

@@cyanmage1 which does sort of track as I was getting all kinds of ff9 vibes from the second half.

When all over the world a female character has been recorded with a female voice and in your country the voice sounds like that of a teenager with a broken voice:Surprised pikachu face!

@alexander1055

19 күн бұрын

I don't get it. Is the character a man acting as a woman or did they cast a man to voice a female character? And is that exclusive to the English dub or is it a choice made by the developers of the game?

@kylehanna5571

17 күн бұрын

And yet everyone has called the expansion pretty mid?

@FaceFish9

17 күн бұрын

@@alexander1055 everywhere else the voice is clearly female, feminine, but in EN dub it's a trans i think male who became female/gender fluid or whatever and got the gig even when they've never voice acted in anything big... so there is just a single bad voice actor and it's Wuk's... but you can't critique them because "muh trans" no. they are shit. just purely bad at voice acting and their voice sounds nothing like what the original "JP" voice is and how the character clearly was envisioned "stupid but in that cutesy anime way" instead we have some Wookie sounding ass furry character going "Oops, teehee sorry, i just am too dumb to not step on this bird shit UwU" like... it wouldn't be that bad if Wuk wasn't the "main character" of the story, and if she didn't have 7000+ LINES IN THE DAMN ONE EXPANSION, LIKE MY GOD.

@cattysplat

16 күн бұрын

@@alexander1055 The character is female ingame. Referred to as a daughter. English VA by a trans actor.

The voice actor is the least of dawntrails problems.

@mr.gamingz

17 күн бұрын

Tell me

Some of the story issues are really the only problems I’ve had new jobs are great, trials and dungeons are fun I think everything besides is good besides a few gripes here and there.

@TacoLex

20 күн бұрын

Honestly, with how everyone is realizing the problems Dawntrail has, I hope the lead writer (Natsuko Ishikawa) comes back for the next expansion or helps with Post Dawntrail Story.

@bossgroudon

20 күн бұрын

@@TacoLex yeah I do too and I think another thing is everyone coming off of endwalkers story are expecting the same thing. Like it’s a new journey new story let the folks build the thing back up but it would be good with the original writer

@bauloprete3905

20 күн бұрын

​@@bossgroudonwow the attencion of a child. You dont get that an atc of 10 years endex, right? Why dont you read a book or go to collegue. Personal tastes are not facts. You did nlt liked it? Too bad. Yet the story is good

@SuperBrainSandwich

20 күн бұрын

@@bauloprete3905 *attention, not "attencion", *college, not "collegue". Also, correct; personal tastes are not facts. That includes YOUR personal tastes.

I will say, having reached the end of Dawntrail with no spoilers… First half had me interested at the very start but then I was really bored and looking at my phone most of the time while watching/reading all the MSQ. Then past the half way point the story started getting interesting and my attention was caught. While there’s a lot to say that’s good and bad and… oof. I do have to wonder… since the writer for Endwalker/Shadowbringers wasn’t involved then was Yoshi P also not as heavily involved? Could it have been because he was working on 16?

@kohlicoide2258

19 күн бұрын

Was for me the same, before the first dungeon the story was so slow that i make to do same DF daylies.. after the first dungeon it was okay and after the 4 Dungeon (when you go to Solution 9 etc) it was good again.. just one moment in the final bossfight was.. oof

@XAlpt

17 күн бұрын

Pretty sad that you could skip every cutscene up until lv95+ and you would lose almost nothing from the story aspects, literally felt like realm reborn 2

@TacoLex

16 күн бұрын

@@kohlicoide2258 Yeah. It was badass. Using Azem’s stone and the fight was amazing. And then… that moment took it away. I don’t want to be a Debby downer but if say someone like Emet or Zenos or a Scion showed up then it would have been amazing. But… because it wasn’t any of those characters… oof. I wonder if it’s better in JP dub.

@TacoLex

16 күн бұрын

@@XAlpt I don’t want to be so negative about it. I liked the expansion but… in terms of ranking it’s gotta be on pair with SB or ARR. It’s not Shadowbringers or Endwalker. That was never going to happen. But… man… I’m more excited with everything after the story. Getting away from Tuliyolal and getting to focus on Solution Nine. Just have the post story be all about that and other stuff. Keep us away from Tuliyolal 😂

@peterpan4038

15 күн бұрын

Dawntrail had no chance to top Shadowbringers or Endwalker in terms of storytelling to begin with. I mean those two expansions are the climax of everything that came before, the story as we knew it ended on one hell of an epic conclusion. But that doesn't mean Dawntrail had no chance to be good on it's own, just the scale/ magnitude of things had to experience a kind of soft reset. Did they do a good job? No! Was it decent given the circumstances? Yeah. It's not easy to introduce a whole bunch of new story lines, it's even harder when the story before ended on a really high note.

Having just finished it over the weekend, I just want to provide some context. As the tweet said: a lot of people are upset on the focus of the story shifting from the character they've been playing for the last 10 years to a newly (relatively speaking) introduced NPC. I can certainly understand and appreciate that. Now I'm not going to say the writing for Dawntrail was as good as it was for Shadowbringers or Endwalker (personally I didn't think DT's writing was that bad, but that's besides the point), the problem the writers come to is The Superman Problem: how do you write a compelling story with a character so stronger that they can - in FF14's case - defeat abstract concepts like the despair of an entire universe. Well you've got two routes. 1, the DBZ Route: just have the main character keep getting ridiculously stronger while still somehow managing to find villains that are even more ridiculously stronger. Or 2, the One Punch Man Route: have the story be more about the characters around the super strong character. Personally I say the second route is the better, and this is the route FF14 went with. They immediately run into another problem though: if you're going with the 2nd route then you still need your super strong character to be an actual character. This is not the case in FF14 where the Warrior of Light is meant to be a blank slate self insert for the player. Since the player character has no agency in the story, when a story gets written like how it is in Dawntrail it reduces the hero from being Heroic Adventurer That Saved The World to being a chaperone watching over the kiddies to make sure they don't get hurt while they're playing adventure. Another way to look at it is that it exacerbates a problem that's been present for a few expansions: that the other characters treat the Warrior of Light as though they're just a blunt object to bash problems with. Like they're some kind of goon, just The Muscle for a mafia family. WoL: "Ay Alphinaud, you wants I should mess up this guy or sumtin'?" Personally I didn't have a problem with it as I was able to enjoy the ride through the expansion, but I can very easily see why this change in writing would piss some people off.

@ASNS117Zero

13 күн бұрын

There's a third route, but they'd never do it for an MMO. That's *actually let the story end at the ending* by the way. Endwalker was the natural conclusion to FF14. They should have let it *be* that ending. If they wanted to make a sequel, they should have made an actual sequel, and not have us tread along as literally one of the most powerful characters in the history of the entire damn franchise.

I haven't finished yet but I quite like the story. It's an adventure and seeing someone grow. The warrior of light doesn't have to save the universe again.. a story can be good without huge stakes.

I'd say the voice doesn't fit and a friend of mine told me the story, when compared to the rest of the game, is a solid 6/10. So a meh expansion

@bauloprete3905

20 күн бұрын

Your incrrdible discusting. Seek help

@bauloprete3905

20 күн бұрын

Ok. Trsnsphobe

@bauloprete3905

20 күн бұрын

So. You hate the VA, i wonder why

@southstar66

20 күн бұрын

​@@bauloprete3905because the VA's timing and tone on most of the dialogue does not match the mood of the scenes at all, much less the character themself. I'll be the weeb here and say that It's dog shit compared to the Japanese VA

@bauloprete3905

20 күн бұрын

​@@southstar66just cause of one odd scene wow. Seek help

I'm almost done with the MSQ, and for the most part I like Wuk Lamat's character. For me the issue is with the VA's vocal range. It just feels off to me; especially with her sounds like shouts, screams, and battle cries. They don't really come off as scared or threatening as I feel they were intended to invoke.

@sylvanex5202

18 күн бұрын

Yeah, there's a reason the character doesn't sound right. Gee, I wonder if it doesn't have to do with the fact that they hired someone based on politics and inclusivity rather than skill?

@grygaming5519

17 күн бұрын

@@sylvanex5202 They could have just hired a Latina VA....unless Hispanics are now considered 'too white' by DEI standards.

@collenjets123

17 күн бұрын

A man screaming won't sound like a woman screaming.

@theoc007

15 күн бұрын

Guess this will mean I should switch to JP va if that's the case.

I only feel like the whole power of friendship was annoying but I didn’t mind the character

I’m dragging through the MSQ. I get so bored and don’t want to waste my night on it.

I think big thing is that people play ffxiv for the story and when the story isnt super great like with shadowbringers or endwalker, the only thing left is the gameplay and the gameplay if im being honest just isnt all that special compared to most other mmos. Story is what most people will tell you to play ffxiv for so its predictable when the story is lame the game will suffer.

@The_Yukki

20 күн бұрын

Bingo. Over however many years, theh have cultivated an audience of let's call them "msq andies" that play for the story. They dropped the ball on the story and thus the audience they cultivated split. One group is huffing copium "it's actually good guys", the other is actually saying what they don't like. When it comes to Wuk Lamat. I didnt even knew she was trans to begin with. I've come back after stopping playing early into endwalker (soon after new pvp was released, cause I felt lost in the game as a new player who finished msq and lacking sites like wowhead to tell me essentially step by step to x type of content). I was doing the patches content and didnt really like it, apparently it's good when it works as nostalgia bait for whichever ff game it was. When I watched the launch trailer I havent even met the cat in game, but holy fuck the "I wanna be hokage" being 9/10 of her lines in that trailer instantly put me off. Having watched it again I noticed the meh delivery. Out of curiosity I googled "wuk lamat bad" and Google told me I'm a transphobe, soo there's that.

@sagen06

20 күн бұрын

​@@The_YukkiNo way Google did that 😅

@The_Yukki

20 күн бұрын

@@sagen06 I mean "google" is obv an oversimplification it was the first iirc reddit thread that I opened.

@lolcat5303

19 күн бұрын

@@The_Yukki I mean you can tell, come on. There's certain scenes where the VA strains the voice and it really cracks. For me they're just not well suited to the role, and it's already a badly written one.

Even stormblood was way better than base DT. Combat and encounters are carrying DT.

@GamingRobioto

20 күн бұрын

Agreed

@TacoLex

20 күн бұрын

So would the rank of best to worst expansions be- Shadowbringers - Endwalker - Heavensward - StormBlood - Dawntrail - A Realm Reborn

@Sonar90

20 күн бұрын

@@TacoLex I loved ARR ngl, so much world building and lore in it if you do every single side quest. Graphics and outfits were nothing to brag about, but wouldn't have the FF14 we have now without it. Pretty much setup everything we accomplished in Endwalker. Besides the Stormblood story was a snooze, and ARR had way more intrigue compared to it.

@lathamtk

20 күн бұрын

@@TacoLex yup, that would be my ranking as well.

@IKIGAIofficial

20 күн бұрын

@@TacoLex Endwalker 9. Heavensward 8.5. Stormblood 8 (because of yotsuyu). ARR 7 (cheesy power rangers but good lore building). Dawntrail 6. (7/10 but 6/10 in ff14s standards). Shadowbringers 11/10. Peak fiction.

1:00 not quite, she’s the senior story designer for Dawntrail

"Soon" is 2 years and counting. Anytime now Baldo~~

Why didn't they compare the voice work done by the other languages? That's how you actually realize whether the troon sucks or not as a VA

@glimoreganajai2206

20 күн бұрын

voice doesnt matter, its fanfiction level story and wokeness overall is the issue, as i mentioned renaming beast tribes into societies because tribes is offencive or something? lol

@TheVenhammer

20 күн бұрын

@@glimoreganajai2206 they renamed beast tribes because most of them aren’t even beast tribes now, its more accurate to change the title. You’re literally looking for problems where none exist.

@glimoreganajai2206

20 күн бұрын

@@TheVenhammer like 3 out of 16 beast tribes arent beasts. No they are beasts, just like hrothgars.

@waterscape8198

20 күн бұрын

@@glimoreganajai2206 cringe. it's still beast tribe in french so you make no sense

@glimoreganajai2206

20 күн бұрын

@@waterscape8198 Wdym i make no sense, my point its the english woke localiser changed it because she found it offencive. U just proved my point

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sorry, if you hear the other languages, you can hear the subtle emotions, and charms the character brings, but in english, her voice is just way to... idk what the word would be, not monotoned, but has a weird "beat" that she refuses to ever go off of, and it ruins various emotional moments. the character herself is mostly fine and sometimes likable, just the acting kills the moment.

@OilFreeFeathers

18 күн бұрын

It's called trying not to have a voice crack from playing two roles at once. This is why you hire real voice actors and not a drug addict from LA.

@grygaming5519

17 күн бұрын

Especially given that Spanish is a very poetic and romantic language...all the feeling and emotion is just drained out. Given the fact that the VA is supposed to be of Puerto Rican heritage, they just lack that combustion you would hear in a Latina woman. Bad hire is a bad hire.

@collenjets123

17 күн бұрын

@@OilFreeFeathers I'd say it has more to do with the fact they are a man trying to voice a woman and can't go off their forced woman voice otherwise it'll sound like a dude.

@breezy3176

16 күн бұрын

Flat

I hope someday he gets to enjoy FFXIV again without his stream to deal with. He's never gotten to experience the best parts which is a little sad. Also the game is currently fine.

@Daecoth

20 күн бұрын

Wuk Lamat does have some Mary Sue moments, but not as egregious as some are making it out to be. She's better written than Lyse in Stormblood is, IMO anyway.

@KingOfhearts72

20 күн бұрын

@@kaleiohulee6693 copium

@KingOfhearts72

20 күн бұрын

@@Daecoth iron pineapple levels of contradictory copium

@bauloprete3905

20 күн бұрын

​@@Daecothnot lyse tranaphobe

@Daecoth

20 күн бұрын

@bauloprete3905 the sheer amount of comments you are replying to is kind of sad. And, no, critiquing the writing isn't being phobic. Go back to Disney with that weak argument.

You hear the voice, and you say it’s not that bad. You are right. But then you come to learn she says over 5000 more words than ANYONE else, and never shows emotion beyond loud.

Good to see a nuanced take from baldy and the community. Not everything is bad because of DEI, some stories/characters are bad just because of bad story telling. It was so funny to see those woke-leaning subs immediately claiming after mark’s tweet that asmon will immediately join the hate bandwagon thinking asmon doesn’t know how to have nuanced takes. From what I’ve seen, it’s clearly a problem with the VA directing for the English side and nothing to do with the VA at all. She’s pretty good on her other works and the issue of bad EN VA doesn’t just occur on her character but the other cast as well

@PhurPher

20 күн бұрын

He's said before, none of that shit matters if the games fun. And there does exist games with it that are highly rated(supposedly Hades 2? IDK, I just seen tons of people bitching about it, but I've played all of the Early Access and ain't seen shit). It's just there's a little segment of the "anti-woke" crowd, a decent little portion, maybe 30-40% that do this. And I'm just gonna say it, they're probably like genuinely very stupid people, like actual low IQ adults and perhaps some young adults. They're just poor gamers who have made the association between bad games and that stuff, which is completely understandable considering most of the times it exists it appears as though it's at the expense of the quality. Pretty clearly I'd say, when that is the case. Not sure why the fact games exist which are GOATS with that type of stuff doesn't brute force some reason and perspective in their minds, but also like Asmons said before, just like we have people on the opposite end of all this that are completely radicalized, so too I'm sure are these people. Too far gone AND stupid, they're straight fucked.

@joxerrrrr

20 күн бұрын

Nothing nuanced about it. This is the attitude that lets DEI thrive. Most things that are woke influenced are garbage. Giving them the benefit of the doubt at this point is downright foolish.

@dark666105

20 күн бұрын

My problem is it was like she couldn't project. Every time the scene would make more sense if her line had some projection in her voice (addressing a crowd of her people, barging into the trial at the end) it just wasn't there.

@Untrentideful

19 күн бұрын

I find Wuk Lamat's story has a lot of parallels to Lyse's story and as characters they share a couple of the less admirable traits. The main issue I find with Wuk Lamat (and Lyse) is that these characters pretty well accomplish nothing without the player character. They are children acting like adults but never truly rise to the occasion like how so many previously and beloved characters have.

@bobbobberson4295

17 күн бұрын

Honestly I'm just not sure if it was the right role for the VA in general, I feel like having the accent be faked the entire time, with a character that's like 75% of the voiced dialog was a mistake. She can do good work I'm sure, but having to maintain an impression AND have big emotional deliveries is too much. Really, I'm just worried they hired someone new and inexperienced for the role simply because they'd be cheaper, with all the lines required. But as a lot of people have said, the VA is the last of Dawntrail's issues, story-wise