Given that this has become such a hot button subject please be respectful to each other, and remember people are allowed to have their own opinions whether it be the positive or negative towards the expansion. I would also ask that you be willing to listen and try to understand the other viewpoints being presented by people even if it may be counter to how you feel about Dawntrail.

One top what most everyone else has said, one thing that really broke my immersion is that Wuk Lamat's voice actor seemed to have trouble emoting any time she had to yell with emotion. She's fine in normal conversation and even good in some sad moments, but every time she had to yell, it just comes out flat. Might be an issue with the voice direction, but either way, it actually took away hype towards the end of the MSQ for me. I don't think I've ever experienced this in previous expansions from one of the main cast.

@andreamarques8328

12 күн бұрын

It seems likely that it was a problem with voice direction since almost all characters had voice acting problems some more noticeable some less, Wuk Lamat is just the easiest to see cause shes the one with the most dialogues in the whole expansion

@Willbotx

12 күн бұрын

Preferred the Japanese voices, the west can't act anymore without it being pretentious.

@wessardwite765

11 күн бұрын

@@feliph64What the hell is wrong with you?

@OstrichFingers

11 күн бұрын

@@feliph64Yon hormone understander hath logged onne

I feel like the story had potential. It really did. But a lot of focus was put in the wrong areas, and not enough was given elsewhere. Wuk is a great example - there's nothing I felt was wrong with her character other than the writers stretching her out for far too much screen time. I don't want to see less of her because I don't like her. I want to see less of her because I genuinely believe she'd be a better character if she had more time off-screen so we could contrast her presence with how things are when she's not present. Not just Wuk, though. A lot of facets of DT feel that way to me.

@MegaAndyGG

15 күн бұрын

Yeah. Even Emet Selch would have suck if he had been in to every f*cking cut scene and guest 😂😂🤣🤣

@zaryalace7475

14 күн бұрын

And by the end of MSQ, because she's been hamfisted into the all chapters of the story, you will surely grow to hate her.

"I disagree with the idea that Wuk Lamat didnt undergo any character growth." Proceeds to explain how Wuk Lamat didn't undergo character growth.

1st half is okay for Wuk to be in the spotlight as we are there to help her in this quest of hers but the 2nd half should have been Wuk taking a step back and letting the scions lead the way to the unknown, as they got the experience in dealing with stuff like that. Oh and Wuk interfering in the final boss fight was a dick move on her part. Don't steal our hero thunder!

@cablefeed3738

16 күн бұрын

Why do you care about hero thunder?l We can clearly beat anyone and everyone, so why does it matter.

@Nuinwing

16 күн бұрын

@@cablefeed3738 because thats what a world saving hero does, saves the world. Also its not a good idea to have an npc overshadow the player characters this much.

@cablefeed3738

16 күн бұрын

@@Nuinwing It's not overshadowing we're mentoring.

@DKarkarov

16 күн бұрын

@@cablefeed3738 You didn't mentor jack at no point in the story do you teach anyone anything. And frankly the warrior of light is an adventurer, not Mary Poppins. You are only present in this story to clean up after Wuk Lamat and save her from herself.

@silentking3310

16 күн бұрын

@@cablefeed3738 bruh who did we mentor? We follower her around like a dog and nodded our head a couple times.

I actually liked the 4th Zone for the reason that there is no Wuk Lamat.

@leaf241

15 күн бұрын

Wait, you get a break from Wuk? I couldnt take anymore

@Kairax

15 күн бұрын

​@@leaf241We didn't even call her to warn about incoming. Truly best zone.

@zaryalace7475

14 күн бұрын

And then they hamfist her back into the plot mid zone 4.

@feliph64

10 күн бұрын

I really liked the Sheriff, and got humidity in my eyes when I realised the train team reference.

@greencaptain2783

10 күн бұрын

@@leaf241 Only for like half an hour if you doing msq very slow.

To sum up negatives you mention, it felt to me like they wanted to try to do new things with story and msq structure, but didn't commit to it enough to make it actually good. See the mentor role - it felt off because it was there, but wasn't too much of a focus; make it a central point of why WoL is even there, and you have something to build off of. Maybe they were scared of displeasing people that want to be main character of the story, but what we've got made everyone unhappy. On topic of solo duties - I tend to treat msq like visual novel with some gameplay extras attached, and DT shift was very welcome: every solo duty was meaningful, fitting and good combat-wise; compared to Endwalker where half of the duties felt forced - pushing it gameplay for gameplay sake, when it could've been a cool cutscene instead. Having less duties that force you to play a different character was also a welcome challenge, I like comfort of playing my job(s) of choice, and being suddenly thrown on a butchered kit of something unfamiliar kills the pacing, since suddenly I spend few mintues reading tooltips and figuring out wtf I'm even doing. Fourth zone issue - again, they didn't commit to it enough. This sort of "filler" can work as setup to let you know area and people there before some events that play off of that as payoff. And here, payoff was underwhelming - again, they tried, but there was too little to make it work. Shadowbringers did the same just before level 79 dungeon/trial, but in much larger scope and - overall - better. In fact, I wouldn't mind whole expansion being just aimless travel and dealing with local problems, to have last segment be high stakes backtracking and playing off of all the random work we put in.

I feel like they leaned so hard into rejuvenating the gameplay that they completely overlooked the quality of the story itself. The dungeons and trials were excellent, but getting to them is a slog through peak mediocrity.

@GoatOfWar

16 күн бұрын

What gameplay? Further simplification of already braindead and disengaging jobs?

@JorgeM270

Күн бұрын

We lost Ishikawa, who is probably writing FFXVII. Honestly this will probably be the quality of story for the new few expansions.

I’m about 5 hours in, haven’t even hit a dungeon yet. I’m not enjoying it at all so far.

@jericho5253

16 күн бұрын

I hate to say it mate, if you’re not enjoying it now, it will continue to slog. The final zone was pretty interesting at least, as well as the final dungeon. I’ll give it that much.

@grygaming5519

16 күн бұрын

Probably the only time where I say if its not biting at you, then hit the escape button until you find something that peaks your interest.

@cloud07176

16 күн бұрын

maybe you should ask more locals

@AmallieGames

15 күн бұрын

This is the first time in this game where I could understand cutscene skipping. I found this msq pretty boring and I found myself rolling my eyes at times because it was so tedious, repetitive, and overly simplistic in its storytelling.

@MegaAndyGG

15 күн бұрын

First 5 hours was the worst. But now i have about 10+ hours, and i am enjoing it a lot actually. First trial was also great. Story is pretty average at the moment, but i have heard it gets better around lvl 95-96 or something. I hope lol. Ps. I love the new zones.

About FATEs: they didnt cut out the amount of FATEs you need to clear before getting max rank on a zone, they just split it into 4 ranks instead of 3, same amount of FATEs.

@kagamine14

14 күн бұрын

It caps at rank 3 though. Unless if there is rank 0 when you start?

@manesium

14 күн бұрын

@@kagamine14 in Dawntrail the highest shared FATE rank is 4. EW and ShB max rank is 3.

@ThorindirNaari

12 күн бұрын

@@manesium yeah but rank 4 is just the completion of rank 3 which is 20 fates less per zone (40 compared to 60 for rank 3).

I've seen so many people hating on Shaaloani, when my thoughts are like the exact opposite. I was happy that we were done with WL babysitting; I actually enjoyed her journey for the most part but I felt it should have been finished after the 95 dungeon. Shaaloani really felt like the only zone storyline that delivered on the promise of the "vacation experience" that we were given during previews. After Shaaloani, it's just more WL babysitting, this time with an extra helping of naivete, and with the added bonus of the WOL not really getting anything to do. There were so many points where I felt like "can I just fucking kill this guy/girl already? Please!" For the record, I actually still have really enjoyed the expansion. Just annoyed at the MSQ; the battle content and the dol/doh content has been amazing so far

@Coaltergeist

17 күн бұрын

If we end up getting a stormblood 2, where the msq is eh but the content is amazing, I will be extremely happy.

@grygaming5519

17 күн бұрын

This is how I felt, the story up to that point relied heavily on plot armor and plot conviences. Shaaloani and the characters we got felt stunted and squeezed by the pre and post parts of the area. I mean even some of the characters were a bit more interesting overall.

@Luxayt_

17 күн бұрын

Soo true Shaaloani was really interesting. Maybe it’s because I liked Erenville as a character more than Wukki. We are hardly given an opportunity to connect with her at all other than being a side character. Also like you said, a break from doing… ‘fetch quests’ from Wuk and locals…

@Palhum

17 күн бұрын

they gave us 1h free of wuk lamat comfy times with erenville and then it went bad again

@anggasurbakti8269

17 күн бұрын

I hope the second part is mainly Krile not Wuk Lamat but overall MSQ still okay. Role quest though, they just boring (granted, I only finished magic DPS, healer and melee DPS). SE really need to fix them

Honestly if moments where she should have grown are regressed it means she never really grew as a character.

I would've loved the train sequence to be a turret section. Hell, even if it was part of the level 96 dungeon, that would've been cooler than what we got. That being said, it was a cool scene to watch.

Yep that "Smile" vocal track Kills the mood of the ending, dont know what they were thinking

@TheNastyNamazu

17 күн бұрын

Yeah, like I don't hate the song(it's not my favorite of the vocal track), but it just felt out of place when it was used.

@Tom-Pendragon

17 күн бұрын

I disagree. And I disliked the msq. The smile song is so good.

@silentking3310

16 күн бұрын

@@Tom-Pendragon It's not a bad song, but the timings when they used it were off. Like the train mission, it ruined the vibes of how dire things were.

@ViniciusGso

13 күн бұрын

@@silentking3310 Yeah you end the story in a sad / bittersweet mood after shutting down living memory and then suddenly a happy song appears right after, I think it would be more impacful if they just kept a more neutral song towards the end.

@riplaekic

12 күн бұрын

Smile didnt fit any scene where it was injected and always took me out of the scene. Worst track in fF14.

The main problem with the pacing at Shaaloani is expectation. You, the player, expect the story to continue since you're still not at level 100. That mean the story has to go on right? But your WoL has no idea. You're here to help WL become Dawnservant and that's it. Your business here is done. It's now adventuring time. Think of Shaaloani as a fresh new adventure in Tural after your main business is done and it will make a lot more sense.

@ThorindirNaari

12 күн бұрын

my biggest problem with shaaloani is that the story was clear from the first cutscene. they went with the most common trope in the setting with no twist. That grated me so much that i really hated the zone. It just felt lazy and like they needed filler and they went with the first thing that came up when you google wild west story.

Been playing since Heavensward, I LOVE FFXIV as much as anyone else. Where every expansion had me watching all cut scenes, in literal tears with Stormblood and Endwalker, I found myself skipping scenes with no regret in Dawntrail. Just because we go to a "new" area doesn't mean we have bring on the basic bus stop fetch questing. It's truly exhausting and by now, the WOL who has literally saved the universe, should be tasked with a lot more relevant tasks than filler content. Wut Lamat is a character I was forced to be aware of through the story, and for the scenes I did stick around to watch, I eye rolled a lot. Bottom line, we are many expansions into FFXIV, and the development team needs to change the quest designs, they are too simplistic for a character that irl would say no, I won't help with that.

@gateauxq4604

9 күн бұрын

The WoL wouldn’t NOT help with that stuff but the Scions should be jumping on that, saying ‘no, you go do some buttkicking, we’ll take care of this.’

I think what really annoyed me was wuk in the story she would just talk to much and at the end boss fight when we have a moment to show off how powerful and cool we are she just jumps in and gives the most cringey line so hopefully we see less of her

@silentking3310

16 күн бұрын

My pt was laughing so hard on the final fight. Like, WoL steam rolled and Wuk randomly jumps in and almost gets squashed like a bug. Lucky for her, her power of cringe is transcendent.

On day 3 of early access I completed the msq. I will say there are points in this video I agree with such as it being a world building expansion and people needing to adjust expectations for that. However like 90% of this video I heavily disagree with. Just because that expansion was a world building one doesn't mean it needed to be this terrible of a story or way of telling you its world. I don't need a hour long fetch quest to understand that the traders like to trade. Also the amount of plot holes or straight up plot armor because reasons is insane this expansion. Almost comically so. Let's not forget the writers activity made characters with us more stupid in order for Wak to shine. Alphi and Ali two people who are almost Archon level couldn't figure out what Than or Uri told Kona to do in one of the rites. As for the gameplay design adding instance fights will never happen. We already had these back in STB and because there was two of them so close to one another it flat out almost crushed the front in of the expansion for days. They told us years ago instance fights use the same system as the dungeons. Putting to many in the msq would cripple the system at the launch of an expansion. This is an issue of the code of the game. As for the difficulty being accepted that is entirely depends on the echo chamber you live in. Even as a raider myself. Many of my own friends who only play msq and casual content have straight up quit the game before finishing even the second or first dungeons. Almost all of there reasons being they didn't ask sqaure to kick up the difficulty of the msq so why should they be made to have to suffer when it was the loud youtubers who did. Most casual gamers will just leave the game. I believe yoshi p even has kinda a famous quote about this. The silent majority will just leave your game if they don't like it. Let me tell you. If I didn't enjoy anything about the msq. Somebody who has played since 1.0 and stuck with this game. Garentee the casual audience straight up left without a word, and that's not a good thing for the health of this game at all. Need to start talking to players that aren't just on social media all the time.

@feliph64

14 күн бұрын

I remember a casual girl from my FC that had difficult with that duela with venat in EW, I can't imagine her doing some bosses of this MSQ dungeons.

@zaryalace7475

14 күн бұрын

Yup, the world design itself should be able to tell a story. To force feed an obvious narrative into MSQ is beating a dead horse and incredibly insulting to the player.

@The_Yukki

13 күн бұрын

Wait, dungeons are harder? Outside of first boss in iirc lvl 93 dungeon that had me confused with the ammount of ground aoe covering whole ground but going off gradually (like free other bosses so that's not new, just me briefly not paying attention where to stand) I found them... the same difficulty wise.

The writing, pacing, and a lot of voice direction made this the first expansion I have actually looked forward to being over. Wuk Lamat as a character was fine. I rather liked her but the writers dropped the ball. The VA did great. I liked the voice and due to the extreme lack of agency the voice cast gets with line delivery direction, I don't blame anyone but the recording directors. You can really feel the loss of Ishikawa here. To create a compelling and engaging character, a writer has to understand that this person did not just form from nothingness the day before. They are a person with experiences that they don't just remember but have learned from. There is a progression through life of lesson learned or hardship faced that informs decisions and colors how a character interacts to a given scenario. In the past, characters would be presented to us as a point in the progression of their existence. They don't just exposit and list off all of the things they did in the past to tell you what they have done before, they act in your presence and slowly over time you learn how the types of actions they take have been shaped by the past that you then slowly uncover. A good character will encounter a scenario and the reader (in this case, player) can fairly accurately predict how that character will react to stimulus. In a way, you do feel like you know them because you know their logical progression. The majority of DT characters are cardboard cutouts. They are two dimensional, their personality is right out in the open, no ambiguity. They want X. They came from Y. They are going to Z. This causes a lack of interest in supporting characters and a complete lack of emotional investment in them when something dramatic happens. I'm avoiding spoilers but there are two particular occurrences with two of the claimants that I could tell the writers thought were supposed to have emotional weight that had absolutely none. At first I was glad to hear the writing team behind Werlyt was taking over but now I think the reality is, they were fine at a 3 segment trial series but didn't have the overall capability to handle an MSQ. I really hope 8.0 is better. It's really depressing that any real chance to salvage is two and a half years out.

@grygaming5519

16 күн бұрын

To add onto your VA and poor voice direction. Spanish language is a very passionate filled language. Its very poetic and romantic from a linguistic standpoint. So when you're crafting a zone that takes heavy influence from Latin American-Southwest United States culture there has to be that passion point in the verbiage, that was completely absent from majority of the dialogue. It was sparsely shown and you can kind of tell there was a distinct cultural blind spot from the Japanese writers....Its a bit easy to blame localization but they are given the scripts to translate...and sometimes loss in translation can harm the product. The Voice Acting can make or break enjoyment of the expansion and its not just Wuk's (although her forced fake Spanish accent is grating if not outright insulting) but everyone else is dispassionate.

@25xxfrostxx

16 күн бұрын

@@grygaming5519 That's definitely true. Her accent actually sounded better in 6.55 than in a lot of the 7.0 MSQ. I didn't have much of a problem with the rest from a tonal perspective except that everyone in Shaaloani sounded like I was in Fallout 3.

@grygaming5519

15 күн бұрын

@@25xxfrostxx Apparently she's Puerto Rican....and honestly I could not hear that flare from her at all. Then given on top of the fact her vocal range is just not there. Some actors and actresses have better ranges for characters thus I fully argue that the fault lies at the feet of the director of Voice Acting. Agreed her accent was more pronounced in 6.55 and disappeared for a Generic "this is what Spanish should sound like" accent. Its as if the director just slapped them down. I was also expecting a bit more of a slightly higher pitch range with a softer tone at least in my minds eye on how Wuk should sound. More vocalized and animated to their surroundings....but we didn't get as much of that being shown through the dialogue at all. Then where there was no need for it, that's when it showed up....so yes a big negative on the Director for the overall VA work. Then again the biggest issue is Wuk overstaying her welcome and....the whole "no matter what crimes you can be forgiven" trope that Japan loves to use.

@Kairax

15 күн бұрын

​​@@grygaming5519blud, whole yer tirade on a "direction" can be answered if you only compare english voiced scenes/subtitled and compared to what was actually said in original script (jp). They royally fucked up translation of japanese script (in some parts even google translate could've made more sense) but also failed to localize properly (which lead to some logical problems, cause cutscene play along with jp script and eng translation just doesn't work)

@grygaming5519

14 күн бұрын

@@Kairax Pretty much what I was getting at the direction was just overall garbage and its clear that as you said the translation team dropped the ball hard.

I think the first trial is absolutely AMAZING! As soon as I beat it with like 3 wipes, I immediately qued in 4 more times! And I still havent got to the second one yet lol. This expansion is Wild! And im not just talking bout the Wild West zone!!! 🤠

Go play the L98 Solo Duty again, it's treated like Duty Support where it goes fast or slow regardless of your engagement, and will complete itself. They fake player agency, so I don't even feel good about them adding extra duties if they're just going to give me the unplugged little brother controller and fake my agency as a player. It's not fun. It's incredibly insulting.

@CMReina

17 күн бұрын

Really made me feel embarrassed playing that section lol, especially the big agency with civilians dying and then the fucking walls stopping progress, like there's better ways to handle this man, play the dialogue out as we run and separate the objectives more.

@Naoto-kun1085

12 күн бұрын

I never felt that, it's perhaps my favorite solo duty in the expansion, I really wanted to save everyone I could. It gives you back the amount of engagement you put in

@Arbrawr

12 күн бұрын

@@Naoto-kun1085 then you fell for the fake gameplay in that duty.

i vibe alot with this. i def see some of the issues in the story you bring up though in others just dont agree but thats how the convo should go. Def gonna be continuing the convo with a more positive lean while not being afraid to bring up issues (i also think some of the character use wasnt as clean and i do wish they poushed the mentor aspect fuirther) i like what we got but WANT more and thats such a fair ask

@TheNastyNamazu

17 күн бұрын

Yeah, something that I think people tend to forget is that people are different and will have different reactions and views on different things. I enjoyed the open part, but many others didn't. That doesn't make them wrong or me right it just means we enjoy different things.

The lack of voice acting is a BIG complaint for the game, many scenes would have benefitted from voiced delivery.

If I wanted to be a background extra I'd play WoW

@cablefeed3738

16 күн бұрын

Good leave.

@DKarkarov

16 күн бұрын

@@cablefeed3738 How about you leave instead.

@Ibukization

16 күн бұрын

@cablefeed have some self respect

@MegaAndyGG

15 күн бұрын

Stop fighting, kids.

@kyeda

14 күн бұрын

@@cablefeed3738 Oh you're unironically simping and white knighting this fucking dogshit expansion in every comment, what an atrocious addition to any community space, you probably have no friends.

I’ve skipped cutscenes for the first time ever in ff14. I didn’t even do that in ARR

I am just hoping now we have the world building out the way the patches will be more exciting

I didn't mind WL, she got annoying sometimes but overall, I kind of liked being the "sidekick" in this expansion, but my biggest gripe so far is everything after Zoraal Ja felt dragged out and was honestly hella boring.

Just to add on something I don't see people comenting, I really love the changes they made to the quests mechanics. I play with my boyfriend, and we could actually do almost all of the quests together in a party. Even the parts where we had to fight summoned monsters, where it used to appear one for each, in DT we shared the mobs, and one of us killing it would count for the other! The only exception for it were the solo duties, but that one is quite understandable

Overall i thought it was decent, def felt like most of the scions were just afterthoughts. I can remember only seeing thancred like maybe 5x? I was excited to see that they were backing a rival during the event. It would have been awesome if they played into a friendly rivalry, and leaned more into like the race to the goal kind of thing. I know starting a whole story will be a slow start and im fine with that, i think w how they ended it theres hope. I didnt mind Wuk at all either, but overall i thought they had too much to try to broad stoke explain and it showed that the characters took a backseat in a way. That was disappointing. Overall im enjoying DT, dungeons felt fresh and fun, and the dol/doh stuff has been great and fun also. Hoping next patches will add to overall experience, rly excited abt the tournament raid series.

Why have better MSQ when you can be lazy and do the same old fetch and people will put up with it.

"A lot lower" he says as the stakes are star wide genocide by a technologically superior culture who don't blink at slaughtering people to rip their souls for selfish reasons. I wanted a vacation arc where they set up stories for later while getting to know the new npcs and maybe future villians. Instead I get shadowbringers lite and another villain of the week I care nothing about.

I think the point of the fourth zone was ultimately the duel. That sometimes, you can't talk things out, and the only way to resolve something is brute force (and this is called back by the wol before the final fight where we have the option to say "then let's resolve this" before we kick ass) But just bc I see what they were trying to do thematically doesn't mean I think they did it well. For example. Wuq Lamat wasn't even there for that - so it had no bearing on her decision to fight her brother or Sphene. I think they should have dug further into the morality of that. Like. When is it okay to use force? How can you be sure you're right? I think it would have benefited from another duel where a character in the wrong wins to show the danger of that kind of method. Either way they could have done a waaay better job tying it into the bigger themes.

Speaking of dungeons, I queued into expert roulette and got the lvl 100 msq dungeon, and we wiped to the first boss 9 times because the healer just couldn't wrap their mind around the first mechanic. Was the first time since I started in SHB that we had to vote abandon in a dungeon.

@NoreoNC

17 күн бұрын

I've been having moments like that while leveling all my other jobs but I try my best to explain or try to guide my party members through the new dungeon bosses. I've been having a blast with the new dungeons, I think it's really refreshing to have dungeons that actually have threatening bosses.

@XrayDVD

17 күн бұрын

Be kind

@ChoppedCheeese

17 күн бұрын

@@saladv3028 I had that exact same experience..maybe you were the other DPS or the tank. I ran out of mp to do damage because of all the revives

@ChoppedCheeese

17 күн бұрын

@@XrayDVD just stating a fact, didn't attack anyone.

@saladv3028

17 күн бұрын

@@ChoppedCheeese I was a ninja. The healer kept dying and the other dps wasn't doing so well either. So we kept walling to restart the fight.

You’re absolutely on point with this take; at least for me.

having the scions there instead of introducing new character to accompany them felt like it was for one reason and one reason only..........the duty support. I'm no expert on character creations or such but i do imagine having to create new characters to replace existing ones not only for the story but to be the roles a player would sellect to do the dungeons with sounds like a ton of effort that they just didnt want to bother with

The solo duties, while I enjoyed them, felt like they forgot that they had to put in solo duties and just put them somewhere. Only meaningful was the Bakool Ja Ja one imo.

I think I know what vocal song you speak of when it starts playing at a specific part of the story...it felt like one of my wifes corny reality tv shows whenever something dramatic happened *cue the song!*. That felt very cringey. Wuk Lamat is okay, but she did overstay her welcome at certain parts...and at times. I felt like the Scions were there only to be trusts, nothing more. But I will say this...good god they are way in love too much with walking escort quests....they are repetitive and soul draining.

I don’t really have many complaints with the story tbh, I liked almost every character, both main villains hit (one very personally) and made sense, and the world was great. I really just don’t get the absolute vitriol online for an expansion that may have paled in comparison to SB and EW but overall was really good in my opinion. Honestly in my opinion it’s next to HW for me and I feel over time it’ll be more liked than it is currently. And I also do get a lot of it will be a vibe thing, especially coming off Endwalker but even then I didn’t really see the hoopla about it 😅

@cablefeed3738

16 күн бұрын

I don't get the hate either but I already know a lot of people disagree with me.Because I, for one, like Stormblood more than Heavensward, and like Dawntrail as much as Shadowbringers. Endwalker being my favorite expansion ever.

@kyeda

14 күн бұрын

You're simping. You don't have to simp. It's okay to not like what you purchased, you'll feel better being honest.

@cablefeed3738

14 күн бұрын

@@kyeda Wow, you sure do like talking to multiple people about how they're the ones lying.You really must be delusional, if you think everyone has to think the way you do

@Naoto-kun1085

12 күн бұрын

I feel like people exaggerate the story's flaws way too much and blow them out of proportion. While there are flaws, that doesn't nullify the good points of the story!

4:48 That's fair point but there is a problem with that non the less: from the beginning of the story we are Cloud Strife of this game, we are Cecil and Noctis, we are the main character and that's what Final Fantasy games are about: a hero's jorney. If we no more the important hero of this story, who has connections with different characters in it, than Final Fantasy game just stops being itself, simple as that.

@kagamine14

14 күн бұрын

This is like the most valid criticism I can see. It’s jarring being the secondary character right? But I don’t have a problem with it I practice, I just think we were a too uninvolved with wuk lamats progression. Yes we nodded our heads here and there, but overall we were very much a silent mentor. I wished that it leaned more into us the WoL really helping shape wuk lamat into the dawnservant she needs to be. It’s hard with a silent protag sure, but maybe if we had more physical agency. Kind of like when we saved her. Give us more of those moments where we directly interact with xyz. Maybe wuk lamat is stumped at how to help someone in need, but she’s sees our wol already gearing up to do it. Maybe a collapse of a thing happens it’s through our strength that the entire building doesn’t crumble immediately, give wuk a reason to look up to us that we can see. How about her struggling and confiding to us, and we’re just their to listen and offer 5 branching conversation paths like with alisae in 3.4 I like the idea of a saged mentor but aside from us inputting our limited thoughts here and there, we really don’t seem like the vaunted hero who she is looking is up to as 😢

@qamarqammar7629

13 күн бұрын

@verar2247 Well said. We are the hero, we have been the hero, and if we aren't anymore, we are playing an FF14 spinoff not FF. They've found many ways to reveal to us what our character is despite the fact we rarely speak and have created something unique in the world of narrative: A character who is quite tightly defined in general terms (Azem/Ardbert/Tenzin) while leaving us considerable freedom to fill in our own details. One could hardly do this in a novel. As for being "too powerful" that's not a problem - many of our important battles have included other people, and not everything we do involves mere "strength". Our gift is understanding the intentions of others (the Echo) and gathering those around us (Azem's crystal/Scions) who can help us put the pieces of the puzzle together. We forge alliances and we attact (and create) trouble, depending on whose side you are on. That's what makes the series so fun. Being an extra in someone else's movie is not fun.

@guilhermecardoso2365

12 күн бұрын

Lol, wtf are you talking about ff games rarely focus on the main characters, but rather the main party, that's the main theme of the series, friendsip and teamwork not the main character. Cloud got over his PTSD because of tifa, cecil only managed to become a paladin so he could defen his loved ones better, squall opened up because rinoa kept egging him on, FFX isn't about tidus, bit mostly about yuna and the world of spira, tidus is just the wrench in the world. Reading comprehension is really bad with people these days i swear

@verar2247

12 күн бұрын

@@guilhermecardoso2365 You should really go and replay Final Fantasy games right now and also read few articles of Final Fantasy writers talking about their own games, then: The party is connected with main character or main plot and so their stories, each and everyone of them has background and role to play and it leads to either equal importance like it was in FF3 and FF6 or directly connects them with protagonist whose role often is to be the story catalyst

Ima say this. I dont full agree with us not being the main character. I literally believe ppl forgot something important...that or like legit overlooked. Does anyone remember who we are and what we represent....if you say wol I will pvp you till u bleed out. No we embody something great something of a legacy...we are Azem. We embody those who came before us Azem Venat Emet Selch. The fact we are riding coat tail is doing them a disservice. Honestly I would have loved if we came here to honor that wish to explore, to connect, to continue to grow. Our story is far from over. Ppl straight up doing emet selch dirty and literally forgetting our legacy got me wondering....yall really skipped endwalker msq and think dawntrail was after shadow bringers...might make sense. Azem solo journey across the world. How come we can't do the same. Hell I would love if the Wol and Gra'ha went on a journey of discovery and adventure as a way to keep the promise we made in the 1st and to emet selch.

I agree with Namazu that the MSQ was alright. The first two zone were world building and it was as good as expected. I felt like the 3rd zone was where the story really started to pick up. It was there that we got to know one of the antagonist and where the player gets to feel some emotion. I agree the 4th zone was strange because after the 3rd zone it then goes back to the world building of the first two zones. I agree that Luk Wamat was an okay character that I didn't mind having there...up to a point. After the 2nd trial I felt like she was done. If I had agency I would of said to her "time for you to go home and go back to work, the rest of this is my work". After the second trial it really should of hard focused on Krile and Eren. She was totally third wheeling it after 2nd trial

@Oneofthecoments

16 күн бұрын

@@insertcognomen I think I am a rare Wuk enjoyer. For me she stayed around to see things through with her friends ya know. They also may have needed a tank for duties if you chose to run em with NPCs lol.

@insertcognomen

16 күн бұрын

@@Oneofthecoments but raha is an all rounder...he does all 3. krile was a healer and now also dps. i'm not anti wuk. i enjoyed wuk but to certain point...that point being 2nd trial

@Naoto-kun1085

12 күн бұрын

I definitely feel the same! Even as a Wuk Lamat lover, I feel the writers were afraid to give other characters agency in the story. There is such thing as too much of a good thing!

I really wanted to resub to play this expansion. But the thought of having to slog through some BS story is just not selling me

You can be the main character of your story without being the main character of the world's story. The core issue (besides WL) is the story is not told from our perspective. It's told from WL's. Our story, *as the mentor*, is not told.

I despise Wuk Lamat. I don't know if it's dialog or voice direction or VA ability, but she's nails on a chalkboard to me. Apart from her, the MSQ started incredibly slowly and was a boring slog filled with a lot of filler.

@trignite

17 күн бұрын

There's a lot of bad VA in the expansion, Wuk Lamat was hardly the worst. I thought Gulool Ja Ja was a great character but the voice acting sounded very strange and made it hard to take an otherwise great character seriously.

@IBeJaMz

17 күн бұрын

She ruins a lot moments best part of dlc was when she wasn’t around and when the credits rolled

Dawntrail? More like Wuk's trail lmao. This is the Wukage's of Light world now, we're just living in it.

@forte8227

17 күн бұрын

Also, where y'all are coming with this mentor character thing? This was never once implied, the trailers basically have us having fun and being the main character doing main character stuff with the adult scions, but here we are, babysitting a grown tiger woman and the child scions.

@neobahumuth6

17 күн бұрын

@@forte8227 ppl that have a little of media literacy are coming up with that, something you seem to lack

@ChoppedCheeese

17 күн бұрын

@@neobahumuth6 lmao imagine trying to defend this Saturday morning cartoon show with elitism. JFC 🤦‍♂️

@neobahumuth6

17 күн бұрын

@@ChoppedCheeese No, I'm fully aware of the praises and faults of all XIV's stories, something ppl have really problems to do

@anggasurbakti8269

17 күн бұрын

@@forte8227 that's what you get from trailers? Weird, because people I know, in my FC and hunt linkpearl, know that this expansion is about us helping Wuk Lamat be a dawnservant, with side quest of helping Krile. I don't know anyone who said this expansion is about having fun

The plot would be fine on paper, but the moment to moment writing is reminiscent of an afternoon children’s cartoon. There’s no real depth beyond the power of friendship and all grit and seriousness is sacrificed either for the same superficial message that is repeated over and over again (friendship, mutual understanding, etc.) or some unfunny ”bit” or another. Wuk lamat would be fine if she had more noticeable character development, and even then she overstays her welcome at the second part of the MSQ. The tribal quests from ARR did a better job of showcasing of understanding between different cultures than this expansion. I was so hyped for this, and I could not be more disappointed after loving pretty much everything this game has had to offer (including ARR and SB)

I'm sorry, but Wuk Lamat is by all standarts a "Blackhole Sue" that overshadows everything else. Saying stuff that other characters were enjoyable while getting barely any screentime is very confuisng to me.

Gurgle gurgle~

2 solo instances I wish this expansion had: WoL vs Urianger & Thancred WoL (loosing) vs the First Promise

@Naoto-kun1085

12 күн бұрын

Those would've been awesome!

Let's sacrifice Wuk to the Big One, yes yes?

Cant disagree. I think the content i really like as far as trials and dungeons and stuff and im excited to see the upcoming stuff in that way. But story... i wasnt so much about this time. Good, but not stb-ew

I wholeheartedly disagree that the solo duties of this expansion were better than EW. Many felt contrived or that you were waiting for the planned moment to rescue you. (Looks at the Solution Nine duty with annoyance.) The Thancred Stealth operation and the Body-Swap duties still stand out as pillars of great solo duties.

@Naoto-kun1085

12 күн бұрын

As someone that did not enjoy the Thancred solo operation, I think they did a lot better with these solo duties. I often feel like solo duties are used just for the sake of adding in gameplay instead of having a dungeon. Normally I groan when I see the solo duty glow aura, but in Dawntrail I got excited everytime I saw it! Each solo duty had fun mechanics and felt like you actually had to learn them, and you really got to participate in the story. They felt like they were better as solo duties than dungeons.

@nickputney605

12 күн бұрын

@Naoto-kun1085 The only solo duty of Dawntrail that felt decent was the WoL duel. It was well paced and amusing. Each other solo duty felt like there was always something that we had to wait for to save us. I don't want to get too specific cause spoilers, but the autonomy and stakes of most DT solo duties irked me. For a summer vacation, the gameplay was lacking and what little we got didn't let us really come to play. I am glad that others enjoyed them though! Just felt disappointing for me.

Don't want to lecture or monologue at length; lots of folks were caught off-guard by the delivery of the expansion's story and MSQ, but I would like to mention a thing or two (and please take it all with a grain of salt): It could have done a LOT worse for a vacation story where we were already taking the side-seat for someone else's saga and learning journey. It was a touch idealistic, but I had to remind myself that THIS Tural had already had its band of brave adventurers that brought forth the calm that we are now relaxing to. The story of Tural wasn't about us in terms of the Succession Rite; the story for our heroes and our WoL begins as soon as we begin the next adventure, and while this was more like a history lesson it was still an adventure and not all adventures are fraught with life-ending threats. I expect things will pick up moving forward, but we need to temper our expectations to that of an adventurer and enjoy the time we have been afforded with the departing of the Endsinger. There's still much to be uncovered and Tural was just a stepping stone for us, and while it hasn't been terribly exciting thus far, the game could do far worse like some of its counterparts (i.e. WoW, GW2, etc.) in terms of story, development, and things to do. This is all coming from someone whose father read Tolkien and C.S Lewis novels to her when she was a child, so my temperance may be a touch abnormal in comparison to many gamers, but I wanted to pitch in my thoughts on it. It wasn't an exciting expansion so far, but I appreciated its facets and flaws as a collective sum of a story simply being told and having us take the backseat for once. In retrospect I'm glad we're more casual in this MSQ because I wouldn't want to go leaping into the abyss without ALL of my friends there with me (no offense, Wuk, but I will NOT be taking that position as your personal chef. I'll just visit!).

Wuk Lamat was fine in the first half. However, she overstayed her welcome. They should not have sent her to xak tural, that part of the story should have been for fleshing out Krile and Erenvile's stories. I feel like the writers (new leads? idk) didn't flesh things out and then were like "Oh btw, you should feel emotional here, even though we didn't build anything up". Like, they write Bakool Ja Ja as a cartoon villain, then after 1 or 2 random lines that are easy to miss they're suddenly like "actually he's just misunderstood"

@zaryalace7475

14 күн бұрын

He kidnaps the king's daughter and then later unleashes a massive threat from the past that could wipe out their people. And he doesn't even get a slap on the wrist.

@Kaydok001

10 күн бұрын

I think it was fine that she was present in the second half, but I do think she should have taken a little more of a backseat since she has no knowledge of the other shards, interdimensional travel, ect. I think Bakool would have worked better if he didn't release Valigarmanda. That was unforgivable because of the sheer recklessness of it. They could have very easily have just made it so Valigarmanda escapes and Bakool just doesn't help. That is a significantly more forgivable thing than releasing a being that has caused devastating disasters to countless people and environments in the past. All the things he did prior to that were annoying but not unforgivable. If they wanted him to release Valigarmanda in order to show his desperation, he should not have been so smug about it, and on top of that, should have been booted from the competition after Valigarmanda was defeated by the WoL and Co. The plot beats with Bakool's village would have stayed nearly identical, and the only thing that would have needed to change was the trial prior because it was in teams. It'd just have to be individual and the top 2 dishes would get the keystone instead of the top team

Wuk Lamat became a flawless character never to be questioned for her decisions. She gained everything we have achieved over multiple expansions. We also had extremely very little battle content and im not just talking about dungeons.

I am dissapointed, tbh.... Female hrothgar is a mess. ( You cant create wuk lamat. The face is not available with the right colors ) And even thou female hrothgar came with dawntrail, there are barely any headpieces or hairstyles available. It feels like they did a half-a** job. Just like with viera. Additionally, the glam doesnt match the landscape in any way. I was hoping for more glam like what wuk lamat wears. Something beast-like. So far, i havent found anything remotely like this. Just the same old, same old...boring glam, no headpieces or hairstyles for fem. Hrothgar...

Imagine rpg players wanting to not be a side character to a 5/10 child character..how dare they

I don't agree that we don't need to be a hero of the story. Dawntrail with Wuk Lamat is like Shadowbringers were Ryne would be the one sucking all the light from wardens it would suck. Wuk Lamat story should have ended with right of succession after she become dawnservant.

Something I find really, really funny/odd in DT is it's meant to celebrate indigenous people, but like... everyone to the south has a Hispanic accent i.e. after South America was conquered by the Spanish... And the north has a bunch of white cowboys with trains and guns, but they have native sounding names. So post colonization of North America. It has this really weird after taste when that sets in.

4th Zone was my favorite, because it was what I wanted more of as a vacation/adventure. And we had Erenville and not Wuk Lamat, it would have been the worst if Wuk Lamat was there and black holed herself into every cutscene.

@NeoBluereaper

17 күн бұрын

She was there in spirit with the stupid bangle side quest

@cablefeed3738

16 күн бұрын

This hate of her is stupid.

@XXLPIakat

16 күн бұрын

@@cablefeed3738 I don't hate Wuk Lamat I liked her initially, but I'm tired of her and I don't care about her at all anymore.

@MasterLittica

15 күн бұрын

@@XXLPIakat Wuk Lamat is the extrovert of extroverts, she is the kind that turns other extroverts into temporary introverts the expansion went too hard on forcing her into the role of the 'main character'

@XXLPIakat

15 күн бұрын

@@MasterLittica The thing is, there is a difference between Main Character and Protagonist. Stray and Hi Fi rush have a protagonist that is not the main character. The Main character is the character that the game is built upon, e.g. rythm fighting in hi fi rush or the mmo gameplay in FF14. The Protagonist can be many other characters. in FF14, in ARR Minfilia and the Scions were the protagonists, while we were just some hired guy. in HW Aymeric and Ysayle were the clear protagonists since they fought against the Church, while Alphinaud as a Scion opposed the Ascians. In Stormblood, Lyse was the protagonist for the Ala Mhigo part and Hien took over the role as protagonist during Doma, with the Garlean Empire being the Antagonist of both. Zenos is the reason why we became a Protagonist, since he was our antagonist. Shadowbringer had the Crystal Exarch and Minfilia as the protagonists with Vauthry and Emet-Selch as the Antagonists. Endwalker we were the protagonist against Zenos, but otherwise it was more of a Survival vs extinction story. Dawntrail has Wuk Lamat as a clear protagonist, but she is also forced into the role of the Main Character, hence why for the first hours you have 0 gameplay at all and you are just talking and walking and talking and walking.

For my experience the MSQ story was great especially for the start of a brand new adventure, it just had a REALLY slow start but I really enjoyed it especially the new zones as well as trials and dungeons! But I'm also not picky at all when it comes to games.

The story its shit, the amount of plot holes is insane, in one phrase this expansion is "conveniently made up bullshit". That's it. Natsuko Ishikawa lead story designer for Shadowbringers and Endwalker did not write for this expansion. Instead one of the 2 MSQ writers was the person who wrote the Fairy Forest in Shadowbringers. I think this saids it all.

@silentking3310

16 күн бұрын

This was the first new story arch since a realm reborn. They really needed Ishikawa to kick start it imo. There really was no saving grace.

@LordPlagus777

15 күн бұрын

Endwalker had more plotholes m8.

@fayte0618

15 күн бұрын

can you care to elaborate said "plot holes"?

@Kairax

15 күн бұрын

​@fayte0618 we can't even properly target them. Translation is such ass, maybe some plot holes actually explained in original jp text script.

4:48 the problem with this is that this DLC is supposed to not JUST WL journey, It SHOULD be our journey too! We dont have to be the main character, we are not the main character in HW and StB are we? It was Alphinaud+Estinien in HW and Lyse in StB, and yet I enjoyed those because WE'RE STILL PART OF THE STORY. In HW and StB our WoLs grow alongside the Main Protag of that expansion. All I want is for me to feel like my WoL is part of the story. In DT you can feel that the story could move on without you. You are not even the fifth important character in the story, you are a literal extra. You are a fly on the wall. Its literally the "Just Standing There Menacingly" DLC. I want to be a part of the story. The reason I loved FFXIV from HW to EW is because its not just our friend's journey its also our journey, with character growth both for our old friends and new friends along the way. This is not it, your are literally pushed to the side so much you might aswell be a shitstain on the wall. Not important but you make everyone uncomfortable enough by the virtue of your existence.

I love Dawntrail, but I wish the vocal minority would not drown out the voices of the positive feedback!

There is one HUGE no-no sin that was commited in DT. Golden rule "Show, don't tell" was brutally ravaged amd sent on a long journey. Many interesting and important situations were "told" to us. Instead of shown. At least show echo being used, visual hints, nods/winks. Nope X just happened, deal with it. (Oh and explanation of how and why we leaving to forums/patches/next expansion)

Wuk Lamat sucks, most of the story sucks, there's very few moments for characters to properly shine or develop and worst of all, they made her the ultimate sin of a mary sue at the end. She went from needing out help to beat up the memories of lizards, and alive lizards (She isn't a worthy leader.) To holding off god by herself. With no power ups. They looked at Lyse, saw everyone with a brain hate her and that AWFUL rewrite and erasure of Yda with zero fixes for the dialogue in Stormblood, and went "Yeah, let's do that again." But worse. Vacation expansion, btw. Vacation of braincells in the dev team maybe.

Im glad people are saying what i was thinking. Im halfway through the story, and I'm like, where is the villain or plot twist. I honestly thought this expansion was going to be about swash buckling pirates and gods.

@feliph64

14 күн бұрын

😭😭😭 don't remind me of what could have been instead

FF14 fucked up "vacation" arc twice. First it was a treasure hunt in 6.1 and now with dawntrail. It seems like creative unit 3 can't handle a lower stakes story. BTW it's my comment so I would count sanctuary island as a 3rd fuckup, cause I was forced to be a manufacture manager instead of fun Stardew valley - like experience

Yawntrail is more like it. Im trying to hold out judgment until the patches, but this was a straight up slog.

@Naoto-kun1085

12 күн бұрын

The worst part of Dawntrail was that it had to end, I would've been glad to "slog" through it for many more hours!

I hate solo instances; I want to play with my friends. Screw balancing of them, I just want to be with my friends.

The expansion became immensely more enjoyable when I started skipping cutscenes around level 96. Great classic FFXIV gameplay and job design. Abysmal characters and story. Worse than ARR, worse than Stormblood, you name it.

@CrowRider-md9mu

17 күн бұрын

That 4th zone was a huge slog

@DKarkarov

16 күн бұрын

@@CrowRider-md9mu Every zone was a huge slog.

@CrazyOtaku11

16 күн бұрын

I started playing in October 2021 and never skipped a single cutscene but this expansion fucking broke me I also started skipping at lvl 96.

@Kairax

15 күн бұрын

Story skippers actually won. If you leave only gameplay , this expansion may be one of the best.

**Light spoiler** I gave it all the chances until the final trial..when there is a forced cutscene in the fight just allowing the "main character" to come out of nowhere and monologue about the power of friendship..the writing took a major hit by losing the head writer

@neobahumuth6

17 күн бұрын

to me looks like you haven't seen any of the other stories if you have gripes with power of friendship

@ChoppedCheeese

17 күн бұрын

@@neobahumuth6 at least the other stories were well written with twists and real character arcs This was a cookie cutter childrens anime, and people are acting as if it should be praised like the others

@neobahumuth6

17 күн бұрын

@@ChoppedCheeese all the other stories had glaring problems too

@ChoppedCheeese

17 күн бұрын

@@neobahumuth6 so go back to those analysis topics and call it out. What does it have to do with criticism of dawntrail (the topic)

@neobahumuth6

17 күн бұрын

@@ChoppedCheeese atm I'm criticizing your 0 IQ take if you really think the problem is power of friendship, like we literally had the first arc ending pretty much on that note. I do really hope you didn't like all the other expansions

I keep seeing this idea of a mentor role being thrown around and it sounds terrible. The best parts of this game are all focused on your character and who they are. I want more of that not this baffling mentor idea, but if they did do it they need a far stronger mentee than Wuk

I finished the MSQ on DRK and now I'm going back leveling VPR. Because, honestly, trying to tank the expert dungeons on a DRK is just too punishing to be fun for me.

@DKarkarov

16 күн бұрын

..... I literally did all of them on DRK today, blind even. It is fine. Do your duty queues and gear up a little may help.

It was stated by many people long before DT release that DT will possibly be a devisive expansion because it was brand new story. I personally hoped that DT would do a few things that is important. -Side line the scions for new characters that need to grow out on their own. It's not a brand new story if the characters who were important for the last one, the past 10 years, over shadow and stunt the growth of any new potential character. -Have no one know who the WoL is. Important in starting fresh new story that it will take time for WoL to get recognition in a new area. WoL is not a citizen of Tul or seen as anything less than a stranger. We were commissioned as guardians, and the story played out as such. We were not there to change the evil and corrupt ways of Tul, the Dawnservant did that already. -No one gets anything for free because plot. Everything happened for who it needed to and when. Krile got the shine she needed, Erinville got the shine he needed. Wuk did get a little too much but Im guessing during patches and such, she will be another "City Leader" like charcater making appearances during specific conditions. Over all story was good at best. Motivations for villains made sense with how the foreshadowing went from each antagonist. 4th zone was painfully dull. You can take that entire zone out, and it would not affect the story much. Other than nanny and a train, nothing else happens there that is fun to do.

@grygaming5519

16 күн бұрын

Except that's probably the worst thing to do. The proverbial Genie was out of the bottle with the whole End of Days bit. There's no real going back to normalcy once you unqork that bit of story writing. The best you can do is write around it and still make the world a living. your example: Side Line the Scions for new characters...wouldn't be an issue if we got a new ensemble cast that followed us to the new world. The only one that needed their proverbial literary legs exercised was Kryle. Yet we got no new rookies at all. -Have no one know who the WoL is...I fully disagree with this, at this junction of the story. The antics should have been shrouded in myth, if anything making the WoL's exploits those of fabled heroes. Since you really cannot hide rumor and gossip from traveling the sea lanes those stories would get exaggerated to wherever these ships land. Even in other fantasy novels and works this seems to be standard means. A good way to illustrate how the WoL own exploits could be use is pretty much making sure Tul places on the throne someone who wants peace or is receptive to cooperation because "hey we just got done saving the world, there's a lot of mess to clean up...having a new King being a tyrant that wants to invade would be pretty bad." So yes political intrigue that the WoL agrees with the city states that a pro-peace candidate like Wuk is beneficial to the star. That would be the side objective goal of the player is to make sure she wins over the other political rivals. Your example: No one gets anything free because plot....that was Wuk to a Tee, the whole thing revolved around plot convinces for Wuk...It was pretty bad that the team had to engineer a false downtime with one of the keystones stolen. That was 100% plot convince to disrupt a Mary Sue character that she was becoming. The thing is she was strong enough [redacted] but we had to fake ignorance on that bit to believe that's what happen. The very two last zones should have been 7.4 and 7.5 content leading into its own 8.0 story. I firmly believe the succession route should have ended with 7.0 leading into a Civil War, followed by the spurred king using any means to claim his birthright. Then those events lead up to 7.4 through to the new expansion. Again the team dropped the ball hard, lots of missed opportunities and misplays by the team at large. You can feel Ishkawa's presence being missed and while you think its perfectly fine to etch-a-sketch the End of Days. The fact that it was a localized event instead of a global event leaves a proverbial bad taste in my mouth.

The only point I'll have to disagree with is the music, specifically zone music. Imo it's the worst of all expansions

@silentking3310

16 күн бұрын

Final endwalker zone was just too good, final dawntrail zone doesn't even sound like it has music half the time.

@Naoto-kun1085

12 күн бұрын

I have to disagree, the zone music is the best out of all expansions

This is the second time we have been a somewhat of a mentor. First, was Lyse. Not its Wok Lmao. This side of writing was god fucking awful. Sadly to say the writer was bad in all aspects nothing in DT except one moment way late when someone meets 2 important people was actually good in this expansion for the writing. As a writer myself. This expansion was JUST above High School level writing. But BARELY. It was a disaster, and something that that writer should be put on side quests only. Or no longer writing for FF14 and put somewhere else or let go if thats what it takes. DT is simply the worst execution expansion, and idea so far in the game. Hate to say it, but we should and are forever the main character. And sorry to say but, it shows they fail to be able to deliver; Combat fun, Story fun, AND exploration fun unless we are the main character completely. ESPECIALLY the SHITTIEST cutscene in the game in the final trial.

The 4th zone is also the low point for me, we just found a cool new thing and then the story just turned back to 0 for some reason

If this was a world building expansion I gotta say, I can't wait to get the hell out of the world they built. The best part of the MSQ was the end of it, because I finally got rid of Wuk Lamat. PS what music were you listening to? This was EASILY the weakest soundtrack of any expansion in years. You do know stormblood is almost universally considered the worst expansion so far right?

Erenville was shit. I don't get why he's the narrator when he clearly makes you feel he doesn't want to be there. Almost every task is "ugh, if I have to" for him.

@twigsno

2 күн бұрын

I liked eren. Great representation for how the playerbase was feeling about DT almost the whole time lol. Guy hated wuk lamat, hated the nonsensical parts of the story, and just wanted to go home. Based. My only qualm is that he had very little reaction to big reveals that should've effected him. If the story was less fixated on wonk lerat we may have had the chance to see real character growth in him.

Wuk lamat is terrible

Honestly, I love Dawntrail so far. The class changes/additions/etc I've played are all great, the dungeons are well designed, the extremes are a ton of fun, etc, etc. The only thing the expansion has suffered in this time around is writing for the msq. And the msq as a whole is fine, largely good even I'd say. The competition was nicely handled and match Wuk Lamat's character arc fairly well, etc. It was a different experience playing a supporting character this time around, and while that's not my favorite thing, it was executed fairly well. Even the shift after that to a more traditional narrative with Zoraal Ja was done well. There's just three specific things that are kinda embarrassingly bad, from a writing perspective, which killed the msq for me. First is Bakool Ja Ja, namely the aura he had for basically the whole competition, where he would behave like a bottom shelf isekai's first villain and literally no one (after the first elector) would so much as call him on his shit. It strips all agency and character from the electors, turning them into cardboard cutouts of plot contrivance, and it drive me up the wall. And it annoyed me even more when his heel-face turn ended up being handled fairly well, if a little rushed. Second, Zoraal Ja's whole motivation and stated goal makes absolutely no sense and is both contradictory and batshit insane. It killed any sense of immersion to have what was functionally a cardboard cutout as an antagonist. It would have been so easy to fix too; just have him want to conquer everything to prove he's better than his father. Bam, everything else can stay exactly the same and it's a thousand times better written. Third, Wuk Lamat being an author pet. I was perfectly happy to pay second fiddle to Wuk Lamat, but her just randomly showing up during the final trial with no explanation or reason for her to be there annoyed me something fierce. She was there just for there to be a cmoa for her, and it was so incredibly forced that i hated it. Finally, and this one i don't really count against the msq writing, Sphene is just Meteion all over again, and I was over it the first time around. Sad anime girl is confronted by an unfortunate truth of life and can't handle it, so she starts committing atrocities is just not a compelling plot to me. It wasn't badly written, just not my cup of tea, and I really hope we get something different with the next expansion.

@TheNastyNamazu

17 күн бұрын

I can mostly agree. Spoilers for those that care I personally wish that we just go more moments gave hints for Bakool Ja Ja because honestly I don't hate him being a cartoon villain to everyone else, but for the payoff they went for we just need to see more of him in private where we see a different side of him. I also kinda wish they just had Valigarmanda just broke free rather than it be them and they just use the moment to get ahead rather than helping like everyone else. I will some what push back on the Zoraal Ja point a bit. Though out the story we had various moments where he is being compare or even trying to out do his father. We also get the different moments with Krile giving use his mental state because of her echo. So the reveal being that he wanted to prove the miracle and surpass his father I thought was actually decent. How I saw it is he had the resolve to do what he father did unite Tural(the world), but he lacked the reason to do so only wanting to unite to bring peace as a means to prove himself not for the noble reasons of his father. That being said this could just be how I saw/thought of it going through and in truth I may need to go back to reexamine everything. ...Yeah...yeah Fair, I don't really have strong feeling one way or another. I was fine with it.

@Agayek

17 күн бұрын

@@TheNastyNamazu So the thing with Zoraal Ja I take issue with isn't that he wanted to surpass his father; that part was just fine, great in fact, and it driving his turn to the dark side was pretty well done IMO. My problem is that his stated goal and driving motivation is "War is horrible and must be avoided, therefore I must make war"; it just kinda falls flat on its face right out of the gate. I get what they're going for, that he felt the peace his father bought for the people of Tuliyollal has caused them to forget the price of war and he wants to remind them of it, but the way he went about it and framed it was so ass backwards I just couldn't take it seriously. It would have worked infinitely better if his goal was simply to surpass his father and he, being a meathead warrior, could only think in terms of conquest and martial valor, and so decided that conquering the world would be the only way to prove that he's worthy of/surpassed his father's legacy. Absolutely agree with you on Bakool Ja Ja, both that he could have used a bit more time spent on his turn to being a good guy and that the Valigarmanda thing was dumb. It would have been infinitely better if the trial to reinforce Valigarmanda's prison, the one we got to skip cuz we killed it, had failed and allowed the thing to run free, at which point Bakool just fucked off to seize the lead while everyone else dealt with it, rather than Bakool essentially stealing a nuke and planting it in a city and then nobody actually giving a shit that he just tried to murder hundreds to thousands of people for no reason.

@TheNastyNamazu

17 күн бұрын

@@Agayek Okay, fair I suppose I just misunderstood, but yeah I can agree with you there. Though you might be able to make the argument that since he is supposed to be the resolve without reason that he saw that as the conquering as the best course to achieve his ultimate goal of surpassing his father by uniting the world but he didn't have reason to recognize that he goal missed the whole point of what his father achieved, but that is being a bit generous.

@neobahumuth6

17 күн бұрын

I would say that us being the target of the final boss was more jarring, since the final boss was really more about Wuk Lamatt than us, this ain't like with Zenos who we wanted to get back at, we had no business with the final boss at all, as such her coming back and doing a hefty chunk of damage feels appropriate imho as for how she comes back, that's the final boss fault once the final boss uses the ultimate you can see that the whole place starts to crack open from the sheer power of the attack and the second time it does it it's enough for Lamatt to hack herself back into the fight

@DKarkarov

16 күн бұрын

Sphene isn't Meteion, Meteion actually had some amount of choice and agency. Sphene is literally an AI computer program based on a dead persons memories that is hard coded with a directive to save the endless no matter what. She actually has no more agency than the WoL does in this expansion. None. She is an imitation with no free will. The only redeeming thing about the MSQ is after the final trial you got a chance to call her on it in one single dialog.

Tataru is FF14.. Why was she not in this exp?

I was just upset that they ruined my power fantasy. MY character took a a back seat. I mean this whole story couldn’t have ended if they just let me body the bad guy instead of letting him walking off after he killed the father. Like dude what. Just killed the king and we just let him walk off

@CrazyOtaku11

16 күн бұрын

It’s crazy to me that Shadow of the Erdtree treated you more as a main character than this expansion.

@kyeda

14 күн бұрын

How dare you have a valid criticism to shit writing???? She's a FEMALE vying for a position of POWER and AUTHORITY, you WILL respect her gaslight gatekeep girlbossing and assuming title of Maryest of Sues, Weakener of Multidimensional Usurping Machine Gods with an Axe and inability to beat a fucking LIZARD.

@Naoto-kun1085

12 күн бұрын

To be fair this sort of things happens all the time throughout the MSQ where the WoL just stands there and does nothing because the situation would be fixed otherwise, like when they let the Satrap get killed by a Blasphemy when you could've easily killed it yourself

How the hell is people doing 100 quests in like 3 days!!! i spend like 5 hours doing new shit and im only 40% done

@TheNastyNamazu

17 күн бұрын

You have to remember most people started during early access on the 28, so many including myself have already gone through much of the story before the official release.

@MrDinosaur25

17 күн бұрын

@@TheNastyNamazu i started the 28th and im only 40% though it life gets in the way and I will not play this game 10 hours straight i wanna play other games too

@TheNastyNamazu

17 күн бұрын

@@MrDinosaur25 That's fair, but a lot of people get really excited for expansion release and will even schedule vacation days around releases just to play through it. Furthermore, many people play ffxiv as their main/only game and so that is where they spend most of much of their free time.

@kungfuvoodoo9889

17 күн бұрын

It's an MMO. Sure there's tons of people who play casually but how are you surprised that there are hardcore MMO fanatics who have a ton of time to just grind through it all?

You mean Weak Lamat? Proving all you need to do to win in ff14 is roll warrior

@Bismarck9871

16 күн бұрын

Oh you mean Weak lameat ?

@silentking3310

16 күн бұрын

Yea, she only survives because she has captain planet level of power of friendship.

I love everything about Dawntrail! I am not done with MSQ, but I love it so far! I love the journey & growth that happens! I loved meeting all the people on the journey! It isn't tearing jerking as SB & EW but there are moments that made me happy, sad, & or angry! To me a good story pulls you in & this has done it for me! I love MY journey in Dawntrail! Looking forward to the future storyline!

@captainpositivenegro2854

17 күн бұрын

The growth is an illusion

@ChoppedCheeese

17 күн бұрын

@@BorgWolf359 what growth? I'm not sure we played the same game...

I spent the entire early access until Day 1 release to make it to the last feat. Looking back, I should have skipped all the scenes. They are totally unnecessary. Sad seeing how the Scions are degraded to be mere random NPCs.

It's FINE. Which I suppose is the problem many have

@Tsuba_Nick

17 күн бұрын

Overall it balances to fine yes. It has many excellent points and many bad. Sadly for a game that has the story as its main focus, I do not think the issues are fine to be there. Having contrived plot points and forcing events to happen that would not happen organically or removing npcs that would have solved an issue earlier is just shonen anime poor writing.

1. We were lied to about “political divisiveness among the cast.” Without going into spoilers, there was nothing intriguing about it and it was nonexistent. 2. Wuk Lamat was insufferable. Her personality, her voice, was all grating. I’m fine being a side character, but make the main character GOOD and someone I want to learn and support. That’s not even mentioning the.. “interesting” casting for the EN VA. I gave her the entire first half to become decent, and to no surprise, she remained bad. Towards the end I only had resentment towards her. The mentor angle would have been cool if they went with it. Story bad, cast bad, I could go on and on. we’ll see how it stages the next expansion but I’m past this one.

@silentking3310

16 күн бұрын

What really bothered me, is 90% of this story only worked because WoL was literally there watching a soap opera. It 100% wasn't our story, this was 40 ours of post expansion filler content.

Hope they fix everything ....

I dis agree with you, but I like your video. People like what they like. I wouldn't like a one size fits all world. I loved the dungeons. I loved Wuk Lamat's journey and discovering that she didn't know didley about Tural as she supposed. It was a big thing for her to admit that, and then it drove her one to learn more about her home. I agree one hundred about the Fates. I'm loving leveling up my alt jobs that way. it's fun.

SPOILERS 1.she didnt grow as a character.. at all. she was all about peace and happines but even when faced with the notion that alexandria and sphene literaly did not want that at all and only cared for her people and where going to KILL everyone on the source, STILL she didnt get that, maybe, just maybe peace is just not an option when meet with such an enemy. she still wanted peace and sphen STILL UNTIL THE VERY END she didnt want to have peace... like.. hello? 2. we never where the main character. ever. 3. they robbed krilles story and erenvilles. wuk lmat should have been less in the story, we should have gone to the new world with krille and erenville an dwuk lamat should have stay in the new world.

@herebejamz

13 күн бұрын

She did grow as a character, but I think a lot of people don't really get imposter syndrome as a concept. She didn't have a 180 worldview shift, she had flaws she got over but she was still mostly the same. That doesn't mean there isn't character growth, I just think people aren't clicking with it, which is valid. Trying time and again to achieve peace until the last minute isn't a flaw, and she was still willing to end the threat with violence when necessary. Erenville and Krille's plot where just kinda where it was because their plot is kinda all there. Their arc is literally about reconciling the past and letting go, and that's ghost time. As for us being "not the main character", literally everything that happens is because we get stuff done. It's kinda hard to make a voiceless character a central focus in plot when they're also supposed to be cardboard cutout self inserts for the player. Almost every other expansion was mostly other people doing the main plot driving with us doing stuff until really just the tail end of Shadowbringers, where it's still the scions just saying what we're all thinking. This is about normal.

@Naoto-kun1085

12 күн бұрын

Having consistent values doesn't mean you can't grow as a person though? Yes she wants peace and happiness for others, those are her core values. But there's more to a person than just their morals. Most characters in FF14 have morals that they follow, even the WoL doesn't change their core values to protect what they hold dearest and save as many people as they can.

@emceen8566

9 күн бұрын

@@Naoto-kun1085 I'm convinced that a bunch of people just wanted another Zenos to stan with about killing for the thrill of it. WL and DT as a whole represent a negation of that and they're not happy.

I made it to Solution 9, got my new motorcycle and burned Disneyland (that was a huge waste of a really gorgious zone IMO). I Stopped after the first boss of the last dungeon. There just wasn't any motivation for any more of that level of irritation for me. This expansion will break a lot of casual players. While some will be all for it, they are the people who pay the bills. They won't post a KZread video. They won't post in the forums. They'll just cancel and leave.

@Naoto-kun1085

12 күн бұрын

It's funny because casual players the ones who are most enjoying it, it's the vocal minority who are annoying them away with their complaining. They won't make a KZread video or a forum post because they know they'll get blasted for saying anything remotely positive about the game.

Thank you. Thank you. We need more people voicing the critical opinions so they listen to honest and solid feedback.

@Naoto-kun1085

12 күн бұрын

There's been no shortage of that, I've only seen people complaining about the game so far. Criticism is as common as rain water right now. What we need is more people giving positive feedback on the things they like so that they don't get rid of the good parts along with the rest!

It was a careless cash grab it felt like they the B team step in and just checklisted off EW parts redid them but worse also fuck Wuk Lamut most annoying character yet

I'm level 95, so I should be about halfway through the story content, and I am bored out of my skull. I get that you can't expect a new beginning of the story to have the same resonance as the final 2 acts of the previous one, but man... does DT's story so far feel... lame. With how low the stakes of the story here are, it really makes it painfully clear how old this game feels. Everything here is formulaic, the msq never had much gameplay, but it always had a story that made you want to push forward, turns the next page, see what happens next. I just cannot bring myself to care about any of it. Why do we still have these annoying follow quests? It was the single gameplay "innovation" of last expansion's msq, was almost universally hated for killing the pace when you'd inevitably fail it the first time and had to redo 10 minutes of the most mind numbingly mundane "gameplay" ever conceived and they literally copypasted it into this expansion as well. Why? It reeks of utter creative bankruptcy. I do not care for Wuk Lamat. She bumbles her way through these trials, even when she's in mortal danger they try and fail to be funny about it. All of the grit that made the story of the past decade plus compelling has been swept aside for us to play second fiddle to this Jar Jar clone. When those 3 giants pop up in the mountain zone that want to kill her, literally all it takes for them to turn is for her to block some giant bird's fart attack and be like "Woopsie! I saved you! Teehee~" And GOD IT'S SO FUCKING LAME KAJSDCNDkjIASDNBf Remember Fordola? Remember Lady Iceheart? Used to be that enemies turned allies required... you know... turning? By us? The players? All of the peoples inhabiting these new areas look exactly the same. All of those birdfolk share one model and texture. All of the moblins too, and all of giants bar their leader. I believe all but those giants are reused models as well. Would it really have put too much strain on the art team to change the colours of some textures around? I feel like most of the music is incredibly out of place. This visual gem of a new capitol city, with an alien culture has this lame smooth jazz track as the background. It feels so incredibly off to have music that sounds like it would fit in nighttime Golden Saucer be the audio backdrop to this amazing looking city. Man, I hate it so far xD I don't think I've ever been as deflated about a game before. The Dungeons are great, I bet all the Trial and raid encounters will be too, all of them have been so far. But saying that, so was the story up till here. I really hope they don't mess this up as well, cause so far, this expansion is SO INCREDIBLY far down the tier list of expansions... Best to worst: ShB, EW, HW, SB, ARR, followed by an astronomical gulf before we get to DT. It is freaking AWFUL.

I skipped a lot of cutscenes that were not voiced. Spoilers ahead. I liked the story but Wuk Lamat felt too present in the msq they should have let her breath after she became leader but with what we got it was ok. I absolutely hated the ending though the more I think back on it the less happy I am with it. You just killed another civilization based off of their own philosophy of what life is... so we killed Sphene's people when we had many alternate solutions to their problem. The first had an abundance of light aspected aether. The source has the moon that has Zodiark's residual aether on the moon that's alot of aether that no one will use. Ultima thule has dynamis a very good and plentiful energy source. And our character says nothing of this because a few endless are ok with dying... so the ones we talk to is just all of their thoughts. Why did the endless need us to do this? the queen prolly would have easily accepted their feelings and made them innactive if they had spoken to her. Nothing of what the charcter showed me that she would ignore what her citizens would say to her. but we needed a emotional last zone. And a final boss. Good boss good dungeon but still it could have easily been avoided. That said I didn't like what they did with the end of the msq here and it's gonna be another 4 to five years with this as the story. Our character has so far doomed 2 civilizations we were all about saving things back in ew but here everyonehas to die. The whole fight could have been avoided if our character had just spoken up. But we don't so I can only attribute what the other characters are saying as what the Mc believes so they live happy and endlessly so they should die because people on the source die, and we deem that their happy lives are not natural... that's terrible logic and very inconsiderate so we're just like the ascians or the garleans in the end. Back to Wuk Lamat I like her but I found myself annoyed when she went into explaining things she's an expressive character but the writers should be careful unless wanting people to want her to shut up was the goal, by the time we made it to the last zone and we were at Krile and erenvilles part I wanted her to shut up so bad I'm not a stickler about voice acting I think they did wonderful job with what they had they captured the character she's a big goofy war that often gets in over her head and I click with that personality but still it should not be omnipresent through out the story hopefully going forward she will not be center stage. Imo Sphene, Krile and Erenville these characters needed building.

Everything that was there was good, the issue is, it wasn't excecated well, which is why I don't hate the story, but I'm not a fan of how it was told, definitely the weaker of the expansions in terms of story execution.

People really should stop using " new story arc and it's a slow because of world building" argument couz it's fuckin stupid ... Every expansion had new zones, new characters and world building.. Wuk Lamat is consistent in being annoying and naive like a toddler. Having character growth consist of changing and being consistent in these changes unlike Wuk she constantly repeat. Being mentor is good and all but we were rly trash mentor with no agency and doing absolutely nothing while some insane shit happens and we could just snap our fingers and be done with it.. it's rly bad and boring story. No surprises no stakes at the trail. I could see think happen way before they do.. it was shit and ppl should stop defending that crap. I love the game and I want it to be good , I'm not hating it just because. The community is really allergic to a legit criticism, they are very quick to brand you as a hater or that u don't get the story like u are some dummy... Very toxic community... Credit where is due the music is awesome, beautiful zones good dungeons and trial.

@Naoto-kun1085

12 күн бұрын

The only toxicity I'm seeing are people who only have critical things to say but never once say anything positive. What's even the point of playing the game if you only complain about how much you hate it? I've never seen anyone brush aside legitimate criticism, in fact it's quite welcomed in the communuty. The community is not allergic to criticism, they're fed up with critics pushing their opinions on others and being jerks to people who enjoy the game.