We used to do legal work for Tough Duck in Manitoba - they are indeed whitelabelling for Filson (and a few others). The modifications you found were likely suggested by Filson, and doesn't make a huge impact to the mfg process (hence why they are minor size and material changes).

I do love my mackinaw western vest but I’m happy to see Canadian brand like tough duck highlighted

love seeing this level of detail in a review! amazing channel

@CarlMurawski

3 жыл бұрын

Much appreciated!

I’ve been telling everyone that tough duck made the ccf line for Filson about time someone made a video about it!

This is a great video!! Thanks for doing the research and giving a proper analysis!

This is great content, I’ve been looking for a great vest and had been looking at both these products. Appreciate the hands-on review!

Congrats on the 50+K subs carl, keep up the great work it's much appreciated.

@CarlMurawski

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

Awesome, super in-depth! And you may have created a mental block for me now. I have a left hand zip hoody that I dont think I even noticed was even a left zip and now, when I went to try it on it took at least 2 or 3 tries to get the zipper together..

Absolutely loving your content

@CarlMurawski

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much!

@richbierman

4 жыл бұрын

Need some help please. I’m in retail management where I’m on my feet walking a concrete floor 10+ hours per day and would like some suggestions for a great boot to wear. I currently own a pair of Allen Edmonds Alpine cap toes and would love a second option to put into rotation. Any suggestions? Love your content by the way!!

I bought the ccf vest in the same color about 6 months ago. I sent it back because of the crazy long tail and the reverse zipper. I might try the tough duck! Thanks

I would love to see you review the Patagonia work wear in comparison. I have a quite a few pieces and have been very happy with them. The only knock is I have a short inseam and find their pants too long. Overall the Ranch Jacket and Vest I have had for two years, as well as the double knee pants; all perform very well in a variety of conditions. I just received the bibs for Christmas and wore them at 25F reinforcing a deck. I found them warm soft and very durable so far. The main reason for the bibs is for working in below freezing temps especially as the months will get closer to zero. I have been noticing recently a few local farmers who have also been sporting Patagonia work clothes. One I happened to ask about and they said they want to support the hemp production but also liked the way the fabric performed.

Killed it as usual Carl. I’d love to see you compare the Patagonia stuff to another brand since I think they have a little higher price point like Filson.

You should review more work vests. That was a lot of great information and got me wondering about a lot of others in a variety of different price ranges. Keep up the great content! 👍

@scottf6604

4 жыл бұрын

Angel great point. Switch from Duluth to Carhartt and that works for me. However, this video pointed out other options. I'm all about the ware as mentioned. going to look at TD may open my eyes.

Interesting and helpful, thanks. Given the option, I would definitely go with the Tough Duck.

I’ve been wearing Filson since mid 90’s. As you mention some of there stuff is hit or miss and their strength is their wool products. I purchased two flannel shirts that were made in India and they were junk. After one wash they turn into a wrinkled mess. I just purchased a new with tags Maine Guide Sweater made approximately 2008 that is one of their classic garments. Excellent channel 👍🇺🇸

Thanks for another great video Carl! My wife & I had a great laugh at your video. I’m in the USA but work for an English company. Every time I zip up my company provided jacket it aggravates me. I’ve had jackets provided for 15 years + and still haven’t gotten used to the zipper on the other side.

One of my favorite vests is a Babour. They also put the zipper on the left side and it drives me insane at times.

Love the new studio! I agree Filson wool western vest is one of my favorite pieces I own. Ccf seems a bit over priced. I would like to see the ccf chore coat.

came for the selvedge and brands not available in my country, stayed for the quality content

I would love to see Tractor supply’s Ridgecut product line review and possible carhartt and or Duluth comparison.

Another great video, Carl.

Background coming out nicely man. 🤘🏼

@CarlMurawski

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks dude! It’s just so much more expensive than Sheetrock 😫

I want to see Levi vs wrangler.

@johndewitt719

4 жыл бұрын

Brawlin badass yessir

@lanedexter6303

4 жыл бұрын

Levi left America some time ago, and Wrangler is about fashion. Lee deserted workers years ago, to make fashion pants. Hard to find U.S. made. Maybe Tyndale.

@gringo3009

4 жыл бұрын

To hell with anti American levi's.

@harleyhawk7959

4 жыл бұрын

@@lanedexter6303 you can still purchase USA made carhartt just ask for them at fred Myers. Duluth supposedly American made. I dont buy for fashion

@lanedexter6303

4 жыл бұрын

@@harleyhawk7959 I will try that. I guess one needs to check each item. A lot of Carhartt, Duluth, Filson items are imported, but a few are still American made.

At my last job they ordered branded polos for the staff and made a mistake and ordered the female cut for everyone. The 3 buttons on the collar are on the opposite side of the men’s. I never got used to it. Super annoying. Thanks for helping me make a decision on this!

As soon as I saw the price difference, it was a wrap for me. Tough Duck for me wins hands down.

Awesome comp video...love to see more of these. Send me whichever one you don't want

Filson sold out to "Fossil" a few years back. They're really trying to ruin Filson. They're using the fame of name to overprice barely average products. I'm glad they're still making the old products, but it's only a matter of time and they'll cheapen them.

@andrewvickery880

3 жыл бұрын

Filson and Fossil are unrelated. Filson is owned by bedrock manufacturing.

@andrewc9790

3 жыл бұрын

@@andrewvickery880 It's all the same, do more research. Somewhat irrelevant though, the Filson brand is still heading down the crapper.

Hmm... in Australia the zipper head on the left side is the Right side and when I got a jacket from America the zip system just wasnt what I was used to. I would say there isn't really a right or wrong you get used to it after like 5 times anyway but thats my 2cents

Bought a men's jacket in Italy. It had a zipper on the wrong side. The salesman chuckled when I got stuck. 2 yrs later still takes some getting used to when I first put it on.

You are so correct about the zipper for the American consumer as well as Form Over Function. Filson has chosen a new trajectory as a company a few years back....great product but a status brand more than ever. One vid I would like to see is How to Chose a Shoe Cobbler (questions to ask, leather used or sourced, technique used for resoling, etc). This profession is still around but before i entrust my Allen Edmonds or Redwings, they better have the skill level these shoes demand. I know I can send them to the company, but sure is good to find a skilled person.

As if often the case with many luxury products, it’s 80% name over substantial quality differences. I found this recently with a pilots watch I purchased made by the British company Timefactors and made for them in Germany with case and bracelet made by the same company that makes the cases and bracelets for Sinn. For around $600 ( though I purchased mine gently used for $350) you get a 316 Steel case and bracelet beautifully machined, a 1.5mm thick soft iron dial which helps go towards ( along with soft iron inner case back and the usual anti magnetic features on the top grade ETA auto movement ) an 80,0000A/m antimagnetic protection level. You also get a screw into the case crown tube as opposed to the regular and much cheaper to manufacture press in, screw down crown adds to the 100m water resistance rating. Each link on the bracelet is screw in tube, not spring fit which again adds to the quality. 2.5mm thick sapphire crystal with anti reflective coating on the inside and mounted in a way that if under negative pressure it will not pop out. Add in a high quality two watch hard leather travel case and additional high quality NATO and it’s one heck of a package. I used to own a Rolex Milgauss with similar specification and to be honest as much as I love Rolex I simply cannot see where the extra $7000 goes apart from a different steel and in house movement. I’m not knocking Rolex, I love the brand but how can this British watch hand made in Germany of the finest materials only cost around $600 when Rolex charge around $7000 more. It has to be name and maintaining dealerships ( the Speedbird is direct sale from the maker) I like Filson stuff but man is it expensive and this other brand shows how much that little label will cost to have!

In regards to the zipper, I had jacket with the zipper on the “European” side, and the zipper only lasted me a year of daily use, I’m thinking that since it was backwards to me I was putting more wear struggling to zipper it

I LOVE my Tough Duck vest. Sooooo comfy, warm and the large pockets are the greatest feature.

Definitely a Nerd worthy assessment. Very interesting. Happy New Year!

@CarlMurawski

4 жыл бұрын

Same to you!

Zippers are my biggest concern. Most zippers suck. I wear mostly carhartt & there zippers never break or zip wrong. Both these vests look good. I'll check them out. Thx for the review. 👍

Nice review, a reason I subscribe - you are a welcome wealth of info. I've commented before about Filson and my admiration for their Mackinaw Wools and Tin Cloth. I own a LOT of their products, mostly their wools and Tin Cloth (though I have boots too) and have been dealing with them for 20-30 years. I recently ordered a couple more vests - wool and tin cloth. I waited for a week and went on line to check on the order - I actually paid for 2 day shipping. I said, I am checking on an order, I paid for 2 day shipping and it's been a week. The online person was very rude and sarcastic and said it may be another week - what do you want me to do? I simply said, a refund... and it was issued. Normally I would say not a big deal. However one of the reasons I've stayed loyal to Filson over the many years was their outstanding customer service. I've had no issue with the quality of Filson products - we own a horse farm (on a river) and I can be tough on garments. I sent an email to Filson - telling them of my loyalty to their brand and of my recent disappointing experience. I told them I did not want anything as compensation, but rather just wanted them to know the service was uncommon and unacceptable for a brand steeped in tradition of exceptional customer service. I did not get a response - I sent another email...still no response. Am I done with Filson? I'm not sure, but my loyalty to their brand has changed. I would LOVE to find other brands of quality for around the farm, trails around our property. I appreciate quality and style is important...got to look good for my horses (and a wife that still looks as good as she did 30 years ago).

New studio coming along nicely

@CarlMurawski

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

Hey Carl, I wish to you and everyone happy new year in advance and hopefully the year 2020 will mark the year that we will finally get that Parka History video 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

@CarlMurawski

4 жыл бұрын

I can always count on you!

Thank you for this information 😎

@CarlMurawski

7 ай бұрын

My pleasure

I have a Tough Duck jacket 18A216 but I'm trying to figure out about a zipper on the inside that when unzipped just leads to the white insulation inside...I went on the website and all I could find that seemed some what like it described my situation was a term called" Embroidery access zipper"...still can't figure out what its for. Oh my main zipper on the outside has it the opposite way than the most of my other jackets which have zipper(zip up) on the left.

Hay Carl Murawski do you know anything about the brands of Mountain Khakis & Walls Outdoor Goods ? Beside that Walls looks very similar to Cartthard but is the quality also very good ?

Well let's see what's in stock at tough duck now...

@JY-dh7mk

3 жыл бұрын

Finalist for comment of the year.

Gotta love The Tough Duck! I'm from Winnipeg and their Arctic parkas work perfect for the cold in this city! And they look good! With big pockets to hold your king cans and back bacon!

What an obscure detail to be sure, the left handed zipper thing, but you know what? The blaze orange canvas bomber I was issued at work has a left sided zipper and it drives me CRAZY 🤣

Background looks spot on. How is that New England winter going!

@CarlMurawski

4 жыл бұрын

So far so good! I don’t really mind working in weather down to about 30 degrees. After that I get incrementally more miserable 😆

You pay more on the Filson for the warranty? And the zipper being on the left, well, I have their moleskin liner that zips into another jacket. But the kind of zipper on yours aren't made for it I think. Correct me if I'm wrong. Edit: just went to check my Filson. Never mind the zippers are on the right. My Carhartt Detroit jacket zippers are on the left.

Is the zipper like that so that it can be used as a zip in liner?

Carl is the zip on the other side so you can zip this together with another coat as a liner ??

FYI - Just got my Tough Duck vest in yesterday. They're now made in Bangladesh. Initial impressions are very good of the vest though. Seems warm, well made and pretty comfortable.

I got me the western vest by Filson. Loved the wool and quality of the vest so much that I finally pulled the trigger on the Filson Jac-shirt. That'll probably be the extent of my Filson collection.

@CarlMurawski

4 жыл бұрын

The western mackinaw wool vest is awesome! Their wool is still amazing, and definitely their crown jewel.

Thank you.

Is the zip not on the other side so it can be zipped into another jacket? Barbour do it on their vests

CCF stands for Carl Crushes Filson. Excellent review!!! Happy New Year, from El Paso, Texas.

@CarlMurawski

4 жыл бұрын

Lol!! I love some of their stuff, but this missed the mark for me

Mind if I ask what size you're wearing in this video?

I just got a Filson 17oz. Tin cloth waxed work vest a couple of months ago. I love it. The zipper is on the right.

@CarlMurawski

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah, that’s much more in line with what Filson does best. The quality level is far superior to the CCF line as far as I can tell.

@petecarls7226

4 жыл бұрын

I got one of the Filson Primaloft insulated work vests made this year and it was made in Vietnam. Good quality overall, easily last for years. Exterior pockets layout like cruiser vests. Only one slot pocket on inside upper chest.

Do you guys size up for your work vests or buy the size you normally wear for shirts?

you should check out the red clouds collective vest. i have one of their waxed canvas vests i bought two years ago and have worn it every day fall winter spring since and it's holding up great. awesome quality from a really cool small company.

Thanks for the information but has a big man it’s tuff to find work gear that actually works I love carhart brand been wearing it for years I notice that tuff duck and ccf don’t come in larger sizes why is that

how do these, compare with the carhartt sherpa vest?

Nice one Carl, just goes to show that you should always shop around....

@CarlMurawski

4 жыл бұрын

Absolutely! And I’m hoping this will same folks some dough for basically the same product.

I have a near identical vest ( made in China ) for St John's Bay ( J.C.Penney ) except no inside pockets, lined but not quilted, and no knitted side panels, still a good vest for work in S.C.. bought on year end sale for $20

Please do a review on boot socks

Hey what button up are you wearing in this vid?

Sup Carl... love your videos

@CarlMurawski

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

Rewatched the video and was going to order the Tough Duck. Texted a buddy and remembered he has bought one, turns out his was a Dri Duck jacket. Looked for reviews on both, not much for Tough Duck, ended up ordering the Dri Duck vest. Bunch of good reviews, the biggest complaint was that it runs big. Couldn’t find anything on the sizing for Tough Duck. 🤞🤞 that it’s decent quality.

I had a CC Filson work vest for a few months. I even went as far to wax it. But it never fit well. Their sizing is really hard for me to nail. I am 6'3" and 208 pounds and I started with an XL. Oh man, it was ridiculously large and boxy. Then I sized down to a Large. Almost the same and very loose. I think if I wouldn't have given up on it, perhaps a Medium would have worked. Nonetheless, take that into consideration if buying one of their vests. Build quality was great. No issues there. --Michael

Can you do a video on Pendleton

I think Carl just became an investigative journalist lol

Get em Carl!

You should check out Frost River vs. Duluth Pack Co. For a heritage softgoods shootout

Re the zipper thing: I'm in Aus, and most zippers are on the left, with ladies jackets having the zip on the right. I always thought this was standard until I got some Dickies gear and the zip felt odd haha.

High arm holes (in bespoke tailoring) help keep the piece (vest) from rising as much as more open arm holes when overhead reaching.. it’s almost about specifications x 3.

@nickmagma7745

3 жыл бұрын

If there are no sleeves it doesn’t matter...

One thing I didn't see noted here is re-sell value. If you get into a financial pinch and need to sell some of your belongings, used Filson seems to command god prices, does tough duck?

My Tommy brand Tracksuits are from Turkey, and they do that wrong side zipper thing too. Did not know this when I purchased them. Almost a deal breaker. Very awkward.

i think it just filson's wip lilmore badass look, lilmore cunning product plan so, i'll buy both

Filson seriously charged almost 100% for the tough duck vest? Come on man. Glad you’re doing your “investigative journalism”,

Hey man, great Vid! I own the CCF one and I think you may have gotten a defect as far as the zipper is concerned, mine is normal on the right side. Just a heads up!

@CarlMurawski

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the heads up! Its entirely possible they changed it, or that I got a bit of a dud.

It’s not unheard of for a manufacturer to make a slight variant for another company. Even a company as high end as alden, still makes boot variants for companies like Jcrew, using their basic design, with a few modifications that don’t impact the production line.

Awesome videos

I like Uniqlo stuff, but they put zippers on the left side. Great for lefties, but it’s so awkward for me.

What shirt is that? It looks comfortable.

That's a funny conclusion. I think partly because I'm ambidextrous, but maybe also because I've had multiple garments with the zipper on the left, it's something I'm used to. My jackets from Barbour, Uniqlo, Ted Baker all have zippers on the left. I think a lot of stuff made in/for Korea - I lived there for 7 years - also comes with the zippers that way, so another reason I'm used to it.

Do you know if tough duck has a warranty for their products, or does repairs? If not, that might be one more point for filson, since filson will repair damaged garments

@colemancalgary5260

4 жыл бұрын

Not sure about the warranty or repairs but I see that vest for around 60-70$ here in Canada and that’s in Canadian dollars which equals to around $50 Usa. Dollars if you got 2-3 years I think it pays for itself

I have quite a few Filson products. Some of them, they don't even make any more. Their quality is NOT the same as before. I compared my 20 year old jac-shirt with a new one, even the salesperson acknowledged it. Reminds me of what happened to Eddie Bauer.

I'm glad you said, "a nerd about these things" my buddy 'borrowed' my C.C.F hoodie because he thought it was on of my cheap ones.

@CarlMurawski

3 жыл бұрын

Hahaha yeah I fully admit it!!!

@JY-dh7mk

3 жыл бұрын

@@CarlMurawski question, I'm gonna grab a tough duck vest,thanks to you, if I want it to fit slimmer should I go xl or l. I'm 46" chest 35" waist. Usually I get a xl jacket but always have to have them taken in a wee bit.

@gsdlvr123

3 жыл бұрын

@@JY-dh7mk what did you get - I'm similar size.

@JY-dh7mk

3 жыл бұрын

@@gsdlvr123 I got an xl. I'm happy with it, but your should explore some other options(brands) at that price point.

@gsdlvr123

3 жыл бұрын

oh yagelnizzle yeah - I just commented. I’ve been a loyal Filson customer for 20-30 years (prob longer). I’ve got tons of Filson Tin Cloth and Mackinaw Wool items. We own a horse farm. I’m disappointed with the direction Filson has gone in the past few years and customer service is not what it was. I’m looking for a replacement go to brand. I have given Filson as gifts for years. I appreciate the reply.

Stetson vs any other hat brand in fedora or western

Carl, years ago (40 YEARS - like when Filson was all U.S. made), I bought a Filson Surveyor’s Vest. Where can I find a decent UNlined duck or canvas vest today? Thanks. Good comparison.👍.

@petecarls7226

4 жыл бұрын

I'd be curious if Filson could make it for you.

@lanedexter6303

4 жыл бұрын

@@petecarls7226 Interesting thought. I never associated Filson with custom work, but it can't hurt to ask.

@petecarls7226

4 жыл бұрын

They do still make similar made in USA cruiser vests. Sometimes they go on sale if they don't sell out your size or you could go on Ebay. But if your surveyor vest is unique, yeah it would be interesting to find out if they could; anything could be made for a price!:) Or they are always bringing back old designs, of course selling them at ridiculous prices though.

@lanedexter6303

4 жыл бұрын

@@petecarls7226 when I search today for “surveyor’s vest,” all I see is hi-viz stuff, I’m not a Surveyor, but when I bought that canvas vest 40 years ago, I just wanted an unlined outoor work vest that could carry a few things. I’m sure there are answers, and now that I’m retired I have time to look. 👍

The #1 rule for workwear is trumped by "is it Carhartt" on occasion

I would love to see more reviews of more budget minded work wear. It would also be great to see recommendations for specific trades. I hope to be an apprentice electrician next year, and this would be helpful. Keep making great content, and I will definitely keep watching.

@CarlMurawski

4 жыл бұрын

Very good idea! I have some budget work gear coming up in future videos. Best of luck in your apprenticeship!

@MikeTraher1

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you.

Now I know!

As a Seattleite this hurts.

That reverse zipper is insane, WHY would Filson do that. Im currently looking at the tough duck at the moment which led me here and its nice to see it got good marks.

I saw a similar price gouge online with hatchets. East wing USA made hatchet is about $30 same hatchet sold by Filson made by Eastwing was about $120

@CarlMurawski

4 жыл бұрын

Yes! I saw that too. The Estwing is a decent hatchet but for that money you could get a Gransfors Bruk, hand-forged in Sweden.

@bkgloverjr

4 жыл бұрын

Great video as usual

Are they made in America ?

please make a video about raingear !! please

Is that an Arc Teryx hat?

I always would like a Filson wool vest hell I even like that winter coat with the fur collar.

Filson is too expensive for me. I am an LL Bean guy. I worked for a company that was owned by investors that own Filson and believe me they did not pay their employees enough to purchase Filson products.

Little irritating stuff like that zipper thing is a deal breaker for me. I don’t want to be irritated every time I zip up my work vest. I’m tryna work over here!

@CarlMurawski

4 жыл бұрын

Exactly!!!

@kevinlamarr1424

4 жыл бұрын

Carl Murawski That’s just stupid to me. Even if the price were reversed, I’m not gonna wear something that would make people think I’m wearing my girlfriends 👯 clothes.

I’m very excited to watch this video