You guys heard him, hit up the forums and share ups and downs to the devs

@FFXIVMomo

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah this is the best solution if anybody wants anything changed.

@Rhyzal_

5 жыл бұрын

Dumb question, but I've never known which forums SE is reading. Like, are these reddit posts, or is there something on the Lodestone? Could you post a link, please? I've never been much of a forum user, but I'd like SE to hear my thoughts on AST. ^^; Thank you!

@polydipsiac

5 жыл бұрын

Which forums specifically?

@tuck295q

5 жыл бұрын

Currently, Bard and Ast and Monk and scholar players are raging on both Japanese and English forum right now. Lol

@Cyatkiten

5 жыл бұрын

@@tuck295q yeah but don't worry this happens whenever they re-work the jobs. I know SE will fix it

No wonder Urianger keeps throwing cards. Probably a higher potency then most of his kit.

@jhunjun123

5 жыл бұрын

UltimaOmega777 yea where’s our throw card skill... Revert back lord/lady of crowns and let half of the cards be mini lord of crowns, let the other half be mini lady of crowns. Revert back lord/lady of crowns.

@nokturnallex2160

5 жыл бұрын

It's funny how our Squadmate NPCs have better kits than Astro and Scholar. Arcanist Squad members still have Shadowflare and Energy Drain while Urianger can insta-kill mobs with his cards.

@patrickbuckley7259

5 жыл бұрын

@@jhunjun123 Why do I think this would have been a better idea than just making every card Balance?

@F34RDSoldier805

5 жыл бұрын

@@jhunjun123 he learned to be an Ast 100 years in the future. Things are bound to be different about the class.

I weep for the old Astrologian.

WHM: yes big pull! SCH: Big pull..I guess? AST: You better not !

@LuckyNumber777

5 жыл бұрын

Pfft only a WUSS would not allow a tank to pull big! >:3

@FerrickAnima

5 жыл бұрын

LukNubs 7 would that wuss kindly pay the repair bills then

@lucklaracroft

5 жыл бұрын

@@FerrickAnima i been fine with big pulls as an astrologian

@FerrickAnima

5 жыл бұрын

@RaiderWolves it is a big YMMV kind of thing, but for the most part I just don't want to risk it if the healer couldn't catch up or my CDs are on... CDs

@MrCrev01

5 жыл бұрын

@ travon johnson WHM: yes big pull! SCH: Big pull..I do not have MP to play. AST: You better not !

I really appreciate the video and I do share the sentiment that the sky is not falling for healers in the new xpack and there are definitely new gems to find in each of them. That written however, I have to say that I have mained AST since it's release (Was SCH in ARR) and I have been nothing but heartsick over how AST feel for me at 80 in current content. What I used to love about it now just all feels like a chore. The card system feels over simplified and clunky at the same time. I feel like a lot of our new abilities overlap with older ones, but not in a good and synergistic flow. The set-ups I used to love for AST now just feel bloated. I look at how much fun my WHM partner is having and I can't say I feel the same. I'm leveling SCH and am actually loving it again! Hopefully some changes can come for AST to fix some of the issues it is having currently some of which you mentioned in your video.

@davidyaconis7002

5 жыл бұрын

I mean, the sky did fall. It was an intentional healer check. But healers adjust.

@nokturnallex2160

5 жыл бұрын

People complained that whm was boring to play and needed more utility, so what'd they do? Dumbed down and nerfed the other 2 healers and buffed Whm while not making it that much more complex or interesting. Astro and Scholar both lack when it comes to Dungeons compared to Whm now and while they still retain Raid Utility it feels more like they're just there to offset the weaknesses of Whm. Whm's bitches basically. I suggest doing what the majority of the playerbase is doing and retiring your Scholars and Astros and only playing your Whms until they fix them. (Or just play a tank or dps class instead, they're all way more fun than Scholar and Astro right now)

@Rhyzal_

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing, Jen! I feel the same -- the cards just feel like a chore. Glad I'm not the only one, at least. ♥

I jus want my old AST back. Mass buffs was where it was at for me.

@Valdex1012

4 жыл бұрын

yes. i could have aoe dmage buffs 90% of the pulls. Now... it's just sad... specially in parties where there are 2 melee or 2 ranged dps... didn't think that one thru. Also miss the stunning ability.

@kadyr8935

4 жыл бұрын

I miss holding onto Ewer for the MP regen during big pulls.

tl;dr most AST skills got gutted. Hopefully we'll get buffs soon. I'd like Celestial Opposition's stun and buff extension back, tbh. ;[

@Copain88

5 жыл бұрын

VincentDir I’m going to be hated for this; but I kind of would rather them buff it in other ways. I’d like the healers to be different, not similar. Trying to fit the same things into various kits just leaves us in situations like Stormblppd where one being slightly worse makes it unusable for the entire expansion. If they have different kits entirely, then different healers could excel at different fights

@korudodragoon1

5 жыл бұрын

@@Copain88 ast was the only job with time extensions though. so to your argument, that was actually part of its identity to make it different than the jobs

@Valdex1012

4 жыл бұрын

@@korudodragoon1 I adored the time extension abilities. I could pop light speed, run into the pull to provide the double Regen, give aoe card effect and finish off with Celestial opposition to extend the all the times and stun the enemies... then even pop the other single time extension to myself and pop several Gravities... I miss those good old days.

This may be an unpopular opinion but I really hate what they did to the cards. I liked them each having unique effects and knowing which jobs benefited most from each and planning ahead with combos. As others have said, this feels incredibly oversimplified while somehow also being more clunky. :( Hopefully they make some adjustments sooner rather than later.

@inkmage4084

5 жыл бұрын

Same. It felt like you needed to understand or know each job, and it was more planning which I really enjoyed. Now the cards just seem mindless lol.

@8BitRaskal

5 жыл бұрын

Totally agree, that’s what made this healer class so unique, now it seems too simple, I still find myself at times giving certain cards to certain classes LOL

@Zegreiart

5 жыл бұрын

Yep, fishing for balance was real engaging. Oooh wee.

@EclipseHighroller

5 жыл бұрын

It’s not an unpopular opinion, most ast and all good ASTs hate the changes.

@EclipseHighroller

5 жыл бұрын

Well as good ASTs didn’t fish for balance, it wasn’t an issue

I’ve always kinda mained healers, but right now I feel like a lv60 WHM trying to heal a lv99 WAR getting hit by lv110 enemies in FFXI. Spamming GCD heals because I ran out of oGCDs just trying to keep the poor tank alive despite their own defensive CD in pulls is not fun. WHM is the only job the somehow got better from Stormblood, and SCH can still manage even with the crap potencies on stuff thanks to the sheer amount of skills available, but AST is a complete mess and I can’t bring myself to play it. I loved AST during SB, it felt smooth and I was confident in what I could do with both heals and buffs. But now? Having to press 3 buttons just for a buff is not fun, the cards feel bland and most of the oGCD have nonsensical potencies or recast times. I am super happy with WHM and I guess SCH is fine mostly, but hopefully things will get much better for AST soon enough.

@TastyGamingQc

5 жыл бұрын

I do agree astrologian need a buff but I disagree that it's unplayable. The point is more that whm can outheal anyone now...as it should...but instead of giving all 3 healing jobs an edge in their own respective roles, they just left them as it was. Astro: cards should give more substantial buffs and certain spells like celestial opposition should have reduce CD. Sch: should be able to just shield instead of trying to both heal and shield. The fairy should act similar to egi and roam around the battlefield towards healing targets. I main healers and was able to make it through everything but some jobs do need a small rework/buff.

@zongvang8579

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah ast main here. It is definitely playable it's just struggling hard now since they don't have as big of heals now to really save people when people screw up consistently. It plays closer to what sch would do in older content where they really need to keep an eye on what is coming. Dungeon wall to wall pulls are a nightmare for ast as it was difficult to heal through that much damage coming and I barely kept my tank alive AFTER USING LIGHT SPEED AND NEUTRAL SECT AND BOTH OF MY ESSENTIAL DIGINITIES. basically you have to use all your ocd heals and skills to keep your tank alive in big pulls. And holy shit Divination has a stupidly long cd for what it offers and it has the seal aspect where if you fuck up the seals a 3 min cd is stupidly punishing. Plz square just buff it's cd a bit maybe 2 min.

@natev580

5 жыл бұрын

SCH is still at this point the strongest healer by far. I solo heal EXs without ever breaking a sweat. WHM has a few issues with having to rely on GCDs until they stack lilies and I have yet to level AST, but I that will be next after my BRD. The problem with having to spam GCD heals in dungeons is not the fault of the jobs, it is that everyone is in such a hurry to get through everything. If they slowed down and took an extra couple minutes, the pressure on heals at this point wouldn't be as bad. SE has fundamentally changed the game and people are still treating it as if healers are in BIS gear at the end of SB. I personally don't mind, but having been playing my BRD the past couple days I have been noticing a lot of healers struggling with that. Any tanks reading this, instead of pulling that 6th group because your time is so fkn valuable (not)... Perhaps just stick with 5 and let your healers breathe a little bit.

@Crystan

5 жыл бұрын

@@natev580 Scholar is far from the strongest healer and got kicked to the curb pretty hard this time around. Point for point, white mage's just completely obliterate their best efforts out of the water and shields are simply no replacement for strong heals in the current game state. First up let's dispel the myth that lillies operate outside of the GCD, because they don't and are spells first and foremost. Instant cast, but they still cause a cooldown on all other spells once used so it's impossible to weave them between casts of other spells. However, that's not to say WHM doesn't have strong oGCD heals. Tetragrammation, Benediction, Assize all heal with powerful effects. Divine Benison offers a shield stronger than a Scholar's non-crit Adlo (500 potency vs an effective 375). WHM doesn't need to wait for lillies to be strong out of the gate. No one wants to slow down their combat, so if healer's were designed with this in mind then it was a miss-step by Square-Enix in the first place. Reducing the damage buff on Astrologian's abilities (and reducing everything down to a rubbish version of Balance) was a major bone-head move in my opinion. It not only robs the class of its identity, but also of any utility outside of 'more deeps'. While I agree the majority of the cards weren't very useful, Bole at the very least had strong utility throughout Astro's life and with Astro no longer able to extend the effect duration even our current cards seem pathetic by comparison. Don't even get me started on Lord and Lady, because the new versions are absolute garbage compared to our previous cards.

@TastyGamingQc

5 жыл бұрын

@@natev580 Lilies are super easy to manage once you understand how tho. Also, I feel whm potency increase with plenary indulgence, the wings and asylum. Put it above all others. Idk how many times I've been doing Titania and overheal was the only reason we all survived. Imo, ast cards need a buff and sch shields need to be stronger. P.S I say that as a whm main since 1.0

Great video. I find the opening for AST with sleeve draw to be extremely clunky. I do like the healer a lot even with it’s glaring issues and it has a lot of potential. Really glad you made this.

You said you weren't gonna!

Leveling AST has been an absolutely horrible experience. On bigger pulls or if the tank made a mistake I had to adjust for I often found myself running out of ogcd heals and was left casting Benefic II over and over again and hoping for critical healing procs because I had no other tools left to keep them alive. While it feels better at 80, it's still clunky and depending on how good or bad the rest of your party is it ranges from mildly unpleasant to painful.

@dantelundell9386

4 жыл бұрын

Agreed completely. Hell I got kicked from a dugeon yesterday cause I asked the tank not to do such big pulls cause my oGCD was on cooldown. ":)"

Thanks for the video fam! Although I was using horoscope optimally, you taught me how to properly use Sleeve Draw and the benefits of Synastry.

yo, momo, that overlay you used during the innocence EX portion of the fight, where it showed your skills on a timeline, where can i get that and what is it called.

This is the video that I was waiting for!!!!!!.. thank you for this!

Thank you for all three of your level 80 healer videos. You pretty much hit the nail on the head on the issues between the three, and I hope we see some changes in the upcoming patches. I main AST and while they're a blast to play, they feel weak in all departments and I find myself doing quite a bit of work just to keep up on large pulls.

I still remember the sound effect that when u put aoe balance out it was lit and sounded like u just turn the entire team on fire, anyways incoming buff is quite certain

@polydipsiac

5 жыл бұрын

Ugh. Hit me with the nostalgia harder why don’t you? 😢😭

The mentor PLD that stood in bile's full duration and used clemency on himself lol Tanks like that are what makes dungeon healing on AST more of a chore than it should be

@BlindDevilNeko

5 жыл бұрын

Same can be said for Terrible Astro healers making tanking dungeons more of a chore than it should.

@D-Havoc

5 жыл бұрын

@@BlindDevilNeko Yeah, but there's an influx of players like that PLD who would rather Clemency themselves from damage they could've utterly avoided or mitigated. No need to get defensive by calling out those "terrible astro players" that are still a minority to the terrible PLD or terrible tank players in general.

@BlindDevilNeko

5 жыл бұрын

@@D-Havoc Yeah about that as a tank personally myself i have had nothing but problems from Astro healers since shadow bringers has come out. Do to them not healing properly for one reason or another. And i may not be the best tank but i do my job, I use my buffs to mitigate damage, don't stand in the AoEs and avoid much damage as i can, I even read guides to know what a boss does rather then go in blindly to improve success rate of the run. So what i am trying to say there are both terrible Astro healers as well as terrible tanks.

@zephalion7386

5 жыл бұрын

@@BlindDevilNeko well lack of communication doesn't really help either, like if the tank pulls big without knowing their comfort zones, everyone has their limits

@BlindDevilNeko

5 жыл бұрын

@@zephalion7386 Why i always pull no bigger then 5 unless healer says pull more plz

Good video. Excited waiting for the melee videos

Love how at the Lvl 80 SCH thoughts video you said you wouldn't do AST next, because you thought it looked awful and didn't want to feel forced into doing it...also that you were gonna do melee video next lmao. All good tho. Your videos are great and I definitely enjoy watching them. I'm a little biased as a DRG main, and haven't had a applicable Momo Sama video since early Stormblood. So in the meantime, I'll wait patiently for this fabled melee video. ;)

I often feel like the cards don't last very long either. Often I get a card on my Blm from an Astro but before I can start really making use out of it its over 😕

Im new to healing and want to get better. Ive picked astro as my choice in late 4.5 but never got overly far with it. When it comes to to this, how do you recommend approaching extremes and eventually savages when trying to pug as healer (i dont and i most likely cant get a static due to my schedule and irl)? Or if not pugging, in general? Should i focus on dps and optimization right out the gate? Is there any process to go through before this becomes my main focus? Thanks if you answer this in any capacity as ive really been dying to ask it since a lot of your videos and such seem really really high end

@Dakkuu

5 жыл бұрын

Hey I really recommend joining the balance discord! In the ast channel I got sent a big healing guide that covers a lot of stuff (thanks zyrk). Healer optimisation is a little different to dps and all. The main thing you should be focusing on his having as high up time as possible (It's better to be doing something than nothing). The priority system for healers tends to go: 1. a,b,c (always be casting) 2. making sure players are alive, this doesn't necessarily mean keeping everyone at full health. If you know a mechanic is coming and there won't be any other incoming damage for a while you would use a regen spell as it's more efficient (heals everyone slowly and allows you to cast dps spells instead of panic healing everyone) ^^ This only applies to content that you've learned, if you're doing prog ( new content, blind) then you want to play a little more cautiously. There's a big difference between playing scared and cautious, instead of saving that big heal or spell such as earhtly star because you're worried you might need it..JUST throw it out there and if it goes wrong then you can learn from it and improve your next run. 3. Dps! If you're contributing damage and only heal when necessary then you could save yourself a lot of time and resources by killing the boss faster and skipping mechanics that you would have to heal through if you didn't dps. If you want to improve and you're on pc I recommend downloading act, it will show you a lot of useful information and allow you to upload your runs to fflogs. From there you can see how you can improve whether it may be improving cast uptime, optimal weaving or healing, etc. Another very useful thing you can do on fflogs even if you're on console is to search up the fight you want to do and see what other healers do. You might look at an ast and realise he places down earthly star 15 seconds in advance to deal with an upcoming mechanic and save themselves a few extra dps gcd's where as you might have used 2 or 3 helios' to deal with the same mechanic. It's a very nice tool that can show you what you're doing wrong but again if you're really looking to improve then balance discord is the place to go.

@ridleyroid9060

5 жыл бұрын

@@Dakkuu Thanks for the reply. I am glad to have been heard out in this way. I am mostly still really panicky in ex trials and such and, even though i've healed through o9s and o10s in the previous expansion I really struggled with it. I am a part of the balance discord already but a lot of people there seemed hostile and elitist, so i attempted to stay away. I really like the concept of using oGCD heals to get a bit more damage out and, speaking of FFlogs, i've managed to get a 70% run on innocence recently. Not sure if that's really accurate or relevant at this point but It is a start for me. Thanks again for the reply!

I miss being a Time Mage.

@magusgrise9385

5 жыл бұрын

Soon..

Thank you so much for making a video on all the healers. I have been playing Astro for ShB and love hearing opinions that are actually constructive. Any time I have been asked about what I think of the AST kit is that the healing part of it is fun. I am hopeful that we will see some good buffs come the normal and savage raid patches.

I leveled astro so that I could use her for HW, then the changes, now I'm leveling WHM lol. At least I'll have all healers pretty high. Hoping to take WHM or SCH through SB content unless some nice changes come through for Astro.

I agree with all the topics that were brought up 100%, I love AST and this was the 1st job I leveled in Shadowbringers. I hope to see some changes for the better in patches to come 🖤

For Horoscope, you can also pop horoscope right after a helios or aspected helios and that helios will prime the horoscope if you're fast enough, so if you're ever in a position where you where going to cast helios anyway or you know the boss is about to channel 2-3 AOE moves (which I've noticed devs had a nice woodpecker for this xpac lol), this can make you faster and you can focus on other skills such as Yugioh's deck while popping an already primed Horoscope

AST is just absolutely gutted. A ton of the PF EX groups are already locking in SCH, WHM as the two healers and I cant see that changing anytime soon.

@Garnix2

5 жыл бұрын

What PF EX groups are still not understanding is that there can still be good AST and bad SCH/WHM. This min-maxing mentality in PF is just hilarious to me. It doesn't make any sense. Sure AST needs some adjustment, but it doesn't justify this type of nonsense.

@PvtVallen

5 жыл бұрын

@@Garnix2 Thats true but when you are just partying with total randoms who could either be good or bad at their job it gives you the highest chance of success. If you take 3 hypothetical healers, an AST a WHM and a SCH, who are all exactly equal in skill at each of the 3 jobs... your party as a whole will have a higher chance at success with the WHM and SCH as those jobs are the better ones currently.

aawww thanks MomO Sama. Great Insight on Ast :)

That 3 min cooldown on divination is a killer.

Not sure if this will be seen but.. Have a question. I will start off by saying I'm a bit limited in AST play since the changes but I found that I could only actually have one Seal stick for Divination. If I cast a card with a Lunar Seal I will get it added to the gauge, but if my next cast was one with a Solar Seal, I did not get that seal added to my gauge. I have read through the skills and don't see anything that should limit that... Am I doing something wrong/missing something? Does it have to do with level (if I was synced below 70 for example)?

@TankHunter678

5 жыл бұрын

You have to be in combat, having helped your party or hurt your enemies, in order to get seals.

The only other thing I didn't hear you mention that I want is for Helios to auto-detonate like Excog. Since it requires two oGCDs to use (not even counting the GCD to fully proc), its potency is basically cut in half as far as value goes.

What materia would you meld for AST?

I felt the same way while leveling ast, boss fights and trials were very fun, but Mob pulls in the dungeons just hurt to heal and this is after i leveled whm, so eh

I was holding my breath and trying not to Doomsay about AST when the media tour info was released but now that I have it in my hands I find that a lot of my complaints line up with yours. I haven't gotten to the point where I can take AST into the newer Trials but the leveling experience is absolutely Not Fun™ and it feels like I need to put in much more work to do what WHM does. You save Lightspeed for your Divination window but more often than not I didn't have the luxury of saving Lightspeed because with all the Benefic2 I'm casting I needed the instant-casts and halved MP costs to keep up with wall-to-wall pulls. Things got a *tiny* bit better when I got access to Intersection - being able to throw it on my tank pre-pull like you would with Benison helped the early-pull phase a lot - but after that I'd find myself having to throw multiple regens on my tank at once just to keep up, and still I'd need to GCD heal. This isn't even getting into the fact that AST has the lowest personal DPS out of the 3 healers, with how much GCD healing I had to do it meant I felt like I wasn't really contributing to clearing trash faster and overall making things take longer. Comparing my experience with leveling WHM and I could toss Benison, Regen, and maybe throw down Asylum and start spamming Holy. The stun from Holy simultaneously lets Regen/Asylum heal more while mitigating how much damage my tank takes. Need to heal? I got 4 instant Cure2's, Assize, and Benediction before I need to actually cast a Cure. AST isn't dead, but it really needs some adjustments to bring it closer to the other healers, as it isn't even a really good "middle ground" between GCD/oGCD healer. If you want strong GCD heals go WHM, SCH for oGCD heals, but AST can't even really claim a solid "Jack of all, master of none" position right now.

Good vid, thanks

Is aspected benefic not worth using anymore? I noticed you mostly use benefic 2 (on top of any other ogcd healing) on the tank during pulls, correct me if im wrong i'm just curious

@FFXIVMomo

5 жыл бұрын

Aspected Benefic is 1200 potency heal over 15 seconds and Benefic 2 is 700/980 under Synastry and is instant. I used ASP Benefic during some pulls when I could but the reason I wasn't in some clips was because the damage outgoing was just too high and the tank probably would have died due to ASP Benefic needing time to get the full effect.

Great videos as usual Momo! Quick question, what video editing software do you use? I have been trying to make my own content and have been learning as I go.

@FFXIVMomo

5 жыл бұрын

I used Vegas for basic videos like this :D

@PilotFlame226

5 жыл бұрын

@@FFXIVMomo I've been using Davinci Resolve. Is Vegas worth the investment?

@FFXIVMomo

5 жыл бұрын

@@PilotFlame226 I got it for like $25 off the humble bundle deal so it was for me. I think it costs a fortune though lol

@PilotFlame226

5 жыл бұрын

@@FFXIVMomo whats the humble bundle deal?

I'm a new Lv 80 AST. How do you use Synastry? Is it just, put it on the tank and heal them ability?

@FFXIVMomo

5 жыл бұрын

You use it on a target and when you heal them or anybody they get 40% of the heal you used.

@ffxivmomo what are your thoughts on upon reaching 3 unique seals then a chunk of divinations cooldown is reset. Either partially(100s) or wholely reset.

@ZephWraen

5 жыл бұрын

I don't think the issue is the CD, because lowering it would make the skill too good. I think it would be better if we had another use for seals while waiting for the CD.

@Justmakinganametoget

5 жыл бұрын

@@ZephWraen you have that in lord/ lady. And for balance, Div % can be adjusted to being cast more often.

Another bit of news I heard is that Japanese playerbase is just as displeased with the astro changes as we are. So we are definitely going to be seeing some adjustments, how major they will bein patch 5.01 and patch 5.05 remains to be seen.

I love you so much. XD Agree on many points, and learned something new for Horoscope. I leveled AST the very first as it is my main. So I didn't know how 'bad' it was when it's in dungeons. (I had to weave in benefic each time and just thought partly it's because we were all in low gear) Until I leveled SCH and WHM. Now my SCH is currently 76 (near 77) and whm at 72 ...which already feels so damned complete. With SCH I hardly even have to directly touch the tank, and WHM has SO damned much that I don't even think I've ever used cure in dungeons. Would really love a sleeve draw that actually 'draws' cards already. Give us back the stun...good god, it's a SHINEY blinding light. Makes sense to cause a stun. Collective Unconscious is pathetic and Celestial opposition is just sad now. I seriously pray..they fix it. I like astro way more. But right now... I may just do DREX / Dailies on SCH / WHM as I just feel like a burden as AST in wall to wall pulls. :(

I really liked AST before, but now, it sucks hard. The nerfs in the aspected heals secondary effect was too much. And the new card system is a joke. If they changed it thinking it would make it better, they missed it by a long margin. It was better (strong buffs overall) and made more sense before (cards = rng, period).

@LordGuy

5 жыл бұрын

But it wasn't stronger before though, it is stronger now. The rDPS from AST got way up. The healing power went down though.

@Unstocable

5 жыл бұрын

Jonathan Régulo agreed. I’ll never understand people wanting a card draw system to not be rng-based. If anything they should’ve buffed all cards except for balance and reworked Spire to something else. I don’t even look forward to drawing cards anymore, it’s just boring.

@mooncat429

5 жыл бұрын

Yea AST was way Stronger before because u could Spread Balance Arrow an Spear now its just sad.... the 30 sec buff also helps to which allows u to go in to dps/heal mode... Im not going to touch ast anymore SCH will be my main healer now... =/ RIP AST

@nokturnallex2160

5 жыл бұрын

@@LordGuy Currently they do almost only half of Whm's dps though... even Scholar's dps rotation is now just a worse version of Whm's dps rotation while doing only 2/3rds of Whm's dps and they have nothing to dump Aetherflow on besides overhealing. (0 Offensive Aetherflow abilities now, Energy Drain and Bane are gone)

@TankHunter678

5 жыл бұрын

@@LordGuy AST was stronger before with better potencies on everything, DPS and Healing. Where every DPS card on ANY class was better then what the current cards offer with longer durations, stronger effects, and ability to be extended. The rDPS for AST actually dropped due to the stupidly long divination cooldown and all the cards having half the duration on top of being considerably weaker in effect.

what's the astrologian globe you're using in the video? would love to use it as glamour

@FFXIVMomo

5 жыл бұрын

The lux one

Yup… this video pretty much sums up the issues for ASTs. I hope the DEVs sees this.

what is the ability tracker you have at the top of your screen @ 11:00? or is that added during post?

@FFXIVMomo

5 жыл бұрын

github.com/ramram1048/kagamireact

@erlikprime

5 жыл бұрын

tyvm

If you were designing fights and the healer jobs, what type of meta would you aim for? It seems theres two healer camps, the green dps, and maximum healing healer, what should they do to help fix this?

@FFXIVMomo

5 жыл бұрын

Just increase damage output so it requires more healing is really the only route they can take. Either that or they have to gut our healing toolkit.

@DeltafangEX

5 жыл бұрын

@@FFXIVMomo I'm honestly not sure if I trust them to mass alter toolkits anymore with some of the changes they've made to healers specifically in Shadowbringers. Personally, I think they should go the same route they did with WHM. DPS that comes from healing correctly, but without an all-consuming focus on that particular aspect. Looking at the ACT logs, it's clear that they've fully settled into the DPS = 100% DPS, Tanks =50% DPS, Healers = 25% DPS they started in Stormblood. I think lowering the emphasis on that is fine, I just want more interesting ways to do so. That said, I can see WHM gaining back and AoE Blood Lily spender in 6.0, I just want to see something similar for SCH/AST players and whatever new healer we get in the future.

I leveled all healers and jfc ast is stressful to heal big pulls with

@voltaicwinter9327

5 жыл бұрын

This is why I always ask my healers if a big pull is ok. I never do big pulls without permission, because as someone who used to main AST, I understand how stressful they can be.

@kuku2210

5 жыл бұрын

@@voltaicwinter9327 then you are one of the 1% of the tanks who do that... the others pull without asking

@muchhorrorsuchwow

5 жыл бұрын

Gotta whip those pussies into shape somehow. Ascian bootcamp.

@lucklaracroft

5 жыл бұрын

@@voltaicwinter9327 as an astrologian healer myself i dont think its hard i find it rather easy when you use two different regens together so your not having to heal the tank as much

@voltaicwinter9327

5 жыл бұрын

@@kuku2210 Well then, I declare them as R00D.

I only know of AST academically, not really dug into it yet, but you mentioned not rewarding for playing your cards well. My bf and I were talking about that last night. I wondered if they had a second job meter or proc that they would gain for playing cards on the proper targets for max heals, and could use that for something. A DPS skill or power up their heals or something. That way the AST player would directly be rewarded for playing cards to max affect, encouraging them to do so outside of just "for the good of the group" which you may not see the affect of if you're not parsing or even if you are. Just a thought I had with my minimal knowledge of the class.

Awesome video! Can you tell me the song you use in the intro? :D

@NerdishGeekish

5 жыл бұрын

Not sure as to its official name but it's the song that plays during the Innocence fight. The KZread channel "Mekkah Dee" is an excellent source for most of the game's OST. "dudewhereismyspoon" also!

@kevinismaximus7908

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

You def understand my main class ty a lot I been say we need stronger heals etc

AST during the rest of the fight: *cheerful humming* AST during Sleeve Draw opener: AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH I agree with pretty much everything you've said. My biggest gripes, aside from potencies and such that you've mentioned, are the ranges on Divination and Horoscope. EXTREMELY small. Furthermore, Horoscope is mechanically awful to use a lot of the time. Everyone has to be in (the tiny) range when you apply it, and everyone has to be in range when you trigger it again. THEN if someone is out of range they keep the buff until it just naturally falls off, giving them no benefit. It's extremely frustrating because once you activate it a second time you can't trigger the other ones that were out of range, making them wasted skills. Horoscope just feels *bad*, even though the idea is nearly there. It needs increased range, the second activation range needs to be huge so that nobody is left out and increases utility (e.g. heal up after a spread mechanic, SUPER NICE!), and I want the heal to automatically trigger when the buff falls off, much like Excog works for SCH. AST has become a job that I enjoy a lot more from a playstyle standpoint since healing in general has been given lots of fun twists, but we need some functional help.

This is good to know, as I was gonna level AST after I got WHM to 80. Hopefully by the time Eden hits, AST will have been move a few notches in the right direction. It still looks incredibly nice, it just needs a bit of a lift off.

@Lusterredux

5 жыл бұрын

AST is solid in 8mans. Okay in 4mans but you need to pop your entire moveset over the course of a single big pull. Synastry abuse is almost required to keep a tank up unless the DPS kill very fast. WHM remains the best 4-man healer for the same reason as always--- stun from Holy. I had no issue with AST healing in either of the EXs. Divination needs a lower cooldown, though. I'm usually sitting on all three seals for a minute+. Right now with everyone's DPS being low for whatever reason, the buffs from AST aren't as potent as they could be. But when everyone is doing 14k+ DPS reliably? AST only gets stronger and stronger. So if they buff AST now, they'll need to bring it back down later when raid DPS gets higher.

Pretty much agree with everything. Astro just 'feels' weak to me now. I dont hate the new card system, but I do miss the old one. Divination isn't as satisfying as an aoe balance. I'd also like to see horoscope trigger at the end of the countdown the way star does - I sometimes miss it and it's just wasted. Here's hoping SE is listening :)

Belphe TBH, It’s exactly what I thought it was going to be, but I’m definitely really missing bole when running dungeons in pugs due to that wall to wall pulling and how it feels just way too close to how healing feeling stone vigil, which is super stressful with an ilv 11 intelligence gear drk and that’s something I totes not looking forward to once the alliance raids hit

Can you update with 5.05 changes?

Astrologian have become literal Yugioh "Draw, Monster Card!" meme since all cards gives damage

At 11:45ish, can someone tell me what Addon he is using that shows his skill timeline at the top?

@massivebrosive

5 жыл бұрын

Lonely Raven would also like to know

@neru1835

5 жыл бұрын

github.com/anoyetta-academy

@baylordeo6171

5 жыл бұрын

@@neru1835 thanks a metric ton, kind person of the internet

When ever l play ast l always run out mana and l was wondering what a good rotation and what is this Gdc healing and Gdc dps

@ahtnazec5611

4 жыл бұрын

For me I use Lucid Dream whenever I see my mp at the 7000s or 6000s

@ahtnazec5611

4 жыл бұрын

And I'll make sure Lightspeed is on all the time unless where it's actually useless.

Played and really enjoyed Stormblood AST But can't play it anymore in Shadowbringers, switched for offgcd god SCH

As an AST I’m gonna miss throwing a boosted Bole onto the tank when they pop CDs and not having to heal lmao

I was definitely looking forward to this video since I know a lot of people that were calling for AST's nerf got what they wanted this expansion. Also, at some point after ShB's launch they "fixed" AST's cards to include Tanks as a possible target for Balance, Spear and Arrow while Healers (and probably Casters too) are now included on Bole, Ewer and Spire.

@KanriKaenan

5 жыл бұрын

It was like that since launch and arguably since the media tour as well. Since from what I've heard the Japanese tooltips always included Tanks and Healers on the cards and the English ones omitted that for some reason.

Okay thank you, I couldn't find anything confirming that divination and cards stacked. I was pretty sure they did, but confirmation is always nice.

@miricobladetail9670

5 жыл бұрын

Also 100% agree that divination CD is way tooooo long. Over all the changes to the way the job works are fine it needs potency and CD changes.

As you said definitely just a few tweaks and it’ll be fine. To me it still keeps my fingers busy probably even more than before. Haven’t had trouble with sbh du grind except one but that’s cause I was under geared. Still enjoying a lot of aspects, but a bit quality of life and number buffs would make it solid. Still sticking through with it though. Still fun.

Wait...that Synastry on a single target trick actually works? I tried it on a target out of combat just before 5.0 and it definitely didn't seem to be boosting my Benefic IIs...

@FFXIVMomo

5 жыл бұрын

It doesn't boost it directly it does a secondary heal on the target equaling 40% of heal

I wanted to like the ast changes, but they feel so lackluster and situational half the time, I feel myself not enjoying playing ast. Divination's cd is way too long. Celestial Opposition's potency is small and a long cooldown for what it does. Sleeve Draw is a realy big annoyance to use, and sometimes I still never get all 3 seals for Divination during opener. I never feel like I can take full advantage of Horoscope's duration. I enjoyed the new card system (once play was fixed) and ast is still interesting enough for me to want to play, but it definitely could use some big changes to some of its skills. Hopefully the changes next week helps a bit.

I really hope they fix astro i want to give it a try but makes me scared to try healing out.

I also kinda want them to make horoscope's effects pop automatically

I feel like sleeve draw should instantly 'arcana' cards as a bandaid fix. I would love a seal dump to increase single target healing though to make dungeons less stressful. The CD is so long though on Diviniation where, I wouldn't mind it if drawing cards during that time had a thought, but I get my seals so fast that it just feels bad. A seal dump I feel would help make decision making more interesting during that time.

I personally enjoyed playing astro in dungeons and ex trials, mainly because there's so much going on with it, but solo play was absolutely horrible. I think as long as they adjust the potencies on some of the abilities and figure out a way to make sleeve draw not so clunky the job will be fine. I haven't gotten around to scholar or whm yet, but my friend is loving the blood lily.

I mained the shit out of AST since Heavensward release and holy shit did it had issues then, but I loved it. Yet somehow, SOMEHOW, I feel much worse now. The abilities feel so lackluster I feel like just throwing more regular heals, it isn't engaging at all, and the cards by themselves aren't terribly interesting. I know the end goal was the same, increasing damage, but giving speed to a Black Mage and crit to a Bard felt a bit better than just... straight 6%. For 15s. 50% uptime. That is, if the next card is matching for you. They know that dancer is giving him 5% 100% of the time? 10% for 20s every 2m? Cool, I'll just be here doing benefic after benefic after benefic and OH SHIT MY COOLDOWN'S UP, CELESTIAL OPPOSITION BABY-- wait what? Did it not work? Also Sleeve Draw plays like ass now. Just make it automatically fill my "hand" thrice with minor arcanas, so I can just play, play, play three times (randomly selected) ladies and lords instead of having to draw and minor and play three times. By the time I'm done the goddamn divination is done, or I do Divination last and the first card is fading. Hot damn.

WHMs new lily system, and the skills associated with it, blow AST right out of the water. The heals might not be oGCD, but they allow ridiculous freedom of use, even MORE MP efficiency, great mobility and all loop back to clearing packs even faster. That's really what sets them apart. WHM has a concise, easy-to-use system that benefits the user with damage while making healing that much easier, AST has... a very difficult life.

Thank you for this! Especially for doing the maths here... for me it was always just a "feeling" that Astro is pretty weak. Did some runs of Bardams with a PF group that wanted to level. It gave me a good chance to try out all healers and compare them (despite them being synched to mid level 60ish). And while I had no issues with Scholar or WHM, on Astro I quickly turned into a Bene 2 Spambot. It was just no fun. The cards are my other issue, because I, personally, liked the "flavored" card of HW and SB. I could work with the new cards, but geeez.. it feels so unrewarding. And don't even get me started on Sleeve Draw.. I was screaming the entire time. I will eventually level Astro, but probably slowly and not through dungeons, because... uff, it's stressful and without a friend tanking for me, I doubt I dare to enter a random DF. That being said... yesterday I witnessed an Astro, who solo healed 2/3rds of the final trial in Noct Stance, because the other healer (WHM), just fake dc-ed out of the fight immeditaly on the pull. It was glorious to watch. That class still has some steam in it. We eventually wiped, but that Astro was my hero, constantly running at only 300 MP left... yet keeping the group up for such a long time.

Until I saw this video I was trying to decide between Astrologian and White Mage for my healer role. Sounds like I'll go WHM for now until it gets reworked. Meanwhile SCH is only a bonus for leveling summoner 😊

Dejavu.. Ast feeling underwhelming only to get buffed as hell later on... Lord/Lady will become a flat 20% Buff All card will become 5%/10% Divination will become a 120 sec oGCD with its buff becoming (5%/10%/15%) And Celestial will get back it’s stun and 100 Potency will become 300 flat oGCD heal And Lastly the “No moving/actions” in Collective will be removed as long as you’re inside. and its regen will be increased to 200 per tic.

I'm so upset about the card changes and the loss of TD and CO that I actually ditched AST for good, even tho it was my main. I had a ton of fun with AST before and thinking about creative uses with the cards, made every encounter feel different. Right now it just feels like you have to put in much more work than the other two, but still get way less payoff.

Can yu Plz Make A Ninja Guide plz

Stellar! Ha! I get it :^)

@alace87

5 жыл бұрын

haha, because astrologian has stars and stuff hahahaha yeah i get it too!! haha,

@JustFrey

5 жыл бұрын

RIP Stella.

I remember abandoning a titania trial on sch where we kept dying on add phase, in part because the tanks were bad but also in part because I felt like I was healing alone with my partner being an astro, I remember on one attempt using everything I had under my belt but still dying in add phase because tank or dps died.

@musikfan70

5 жыл бұрын

ladydarkangelyuki Whenever I tank for that trial, it feels like healers forget to heal tbh.

Off topic, but what is that used-actions/rotation/plugin thing at the top?

@neru1835

5 жыл бұрын

It's the Kagami plug in for ACT you can find here: github.com/anoyetta-academy

As I've been leveling, I've found that I enjoy the cards more when I'm synced down and don't have Sleeve Draw. Sad days my friends. Tbh, I'm not too worried about potencies because I feel like that's easy enough to buff. Still worried about the cards. I like the seals and the focus on single target buffs, but as I had thought before release, I still want some uniqueness to each card. Having a 3x3 and 2x2x2 system simply isn't as interesting as the previous 1x1x1x1x1x1 and 2x2x2. I know balancing it is a pain but I'd be happy enough if they just added extra utility flavor to the cards like movement speed, mana regen or mitigation on top of the damage, just to differentiate them. Drawing a card should feel exciting and not like I'm playing Solitaire during the fight.

I have been a casual AST main for a while, but I am swapping to WHM. AST just kind of lost its charm for me. Its not even much of a power level thing, losing time magic and the switch to the new card system just make it feel flat to me. The new cards especially feel awkward and artificial to me. You explain the kind of lackluster play of divination/sleeve draw well. Celesital opposition was my favorite skill in the game, and now it is just another heal. The WHM changes are a lot of fun and I just like the direction its going in. SCH has issues, but a mostly cool toolkit. AST just feels lost. WHM no longer needs to throw rocks.

Thank you for confirming that I'm not crazy lol. AST definitely feels more difficult than it was in Stormblood :c Hopefully they make some changes soon!

I didn’t touch AST prior to 5.0 but working on the class now and personally love it and how cool and unique it is compared to SCH and WHM. Granted I am only level 60 right now I am still having a blast with it and enjoying it a lot. I prefer Moon Stance over Day Stance. I do agree that Divination has too long of a CD. I can pop 3 of a kind pretty quickly but sitting on it for 100+ more seconds. Pretty cool that I can use Minor Arcana thou and still play cards without ruining my 3 of a kind.

Hope my old favorite that made we want to play the game and main healer in the first place gets better but I'm never touching it again since it's theme of fate manipulation is severely lessened, time stripped away, thought of how to best use draws, holds, and royal roads gone, and seals are dull with only one ability with a cooldown that's too high and lasts too little

I think minor arcana should be like another play button that targets an ally and consumes the drawn card whilst converting the card to the appropriate lord/lady buff. Would remove having to weave another oGCD. Similarly, sleeve draw should make cards be drawn immediately on card consumption to also remove the need to weave an oGCD per 15s card buff to click draw again. Also I miss utility :’(

Make Collective's HoT 750 potency again and AST feels much better to play. The change that was made to the ability is simply mind-boggling.

@viciousal129

5 жыл бұрын

This, and I'm a sch main. It makes no sense why collective is a strictly worse and clunkier version of soil.

@Crystan

5 жыл бұрын

At the very least, since it's a shield, they should make the shield effect more pronounced than it is. There needs to be some major trade-off since we can't move or heal while channelling the skill.

I just hit lvl 45 on my Astrologian and decided to look up some videos to see what it is like in this expansion, my other highest level is a 65 Samurai in Heavensward. Man does it sound like it gets confusing as hell later on lol. I'm sure it will all make sense later as I gain the skills slowly but currently it is all just nonsense to me.

Make AST the Ninja or Monk of Healers, that style with strategic planning and weaving will do well.

I wanna play Astro just to shout draw like Yugi

@lieutenantpepper2734

5 жыл бұрын

I put one card face down in DEFENSE MODE!!!!

I didn't see it anywhere in the comments but aspected benefit actually cost 500 or 1000 depending on sect you have on. This imo just needs to removed and both just at 500 along with the other changes mentioned in the video.

I am one of the very few fools that actually does not mind the changes to the card system BUT I do agree with the sentiment that the potency of AST heals need some serious buff, and the old utility of Celestial Opposition was way better. In raids/trials it feels fine but for dungeons playing AST was a miserable experience.

@grom-ish

4 жыл бұрын

Maybe when casting a lady or lord of it could add stun back that would be cool

@grom-ish

4 жыл бұрын

There's no reason to not always go for 3 seals before doing lady's and lords

I like how how momo said he didn’t like ast in his whm vid and he still made one for it

7:40 could you go into a little more detail on this?

@ExireHG

5 жыл бұрын

I'm not Momo but ah well. You have 6 different cards, 2 each have one of 3 seals. When you use Divination, it gives an aoe dmg buff to your party depending on how many seals you had when you used it. All you have to do is give cards to your party members. Sometimes these sound more confusing than they actually are. Dancer sounded ridiculously complex during the media tour, then I played it and was like, "Oh, this is like RDM easy lol". You get Divination fairly early, so just play around with AST and you'll figure it out quick.

@Dogan_TM

5 жыл бұрын

@@ExireHG I meant the statement that followed, where he said he 'enjoyed the on the fly reaction.' I wasn't sure if he was implying that this card system had something more reaction based than the old system or if he was saying he just preferred the way this card system implemented the 'on the fly reactions.' If anything I would've thought this system made it substantially _less_ on the fly since you have a minute between each decision aside from using Sleeve Draw, which just seems like an extremely clunky tool to use, with or without Lightspeed.

You do a really good job of summing up the major issues with AST right now. SCH may be boring and a little awkward to play, but its issues pale in comparison next to AST. Everything about the job feels bad right now. From its underpowered oGCD healing abilities, to its extremely low total raid damage contributions (from what we've seen thus far) to its clunky and unintuitive toolkit; the entire job is just a mess and needs quite a few tweaks in some areas. Divination and Sleeve Draw especially. It's not unusable, and it's definitely viable, but in its current form, why would you ever bring it, when WHM/SCH can achieve in one step with relative ease that takes an AST three extra steps and a lot of fumbling and extra tools to do?

Really good insight. My arthritic fingers are crying at the thought of that opener! Also, what is that timeline display shown @11 minutes? That'd be really nice for self analysis. Thanks - *edit* Scrolled down and found it, github.com/anoyetta-academy for the curious. Ty!

@FFXIVMomo

5 жыл бұрын

Yep that is it!

This is question is coming from someone who joined FFXIV 4 months before ShB's Early Access + Played AST since reaching HW and StB. Haven't played other healers but kinda have a rough idea of what other healers have compared to AST. Does anyone feel like Diurnal Sect's Regen is weaker? Comparing it to StB, it just feels kinda like.. icing a cake on top but with no flavour or no actual icing at all. Compared to the Chocobo's Regen, it even feels weaker. I feel like Nocturnal is more impactful because of the shields. I do understand that Regen is better than Shields. Mathematically speaking, Regen does heal more but due to the current ilv and mobs hitting a bit harder compared to StB (and also the lack of Protect), Regen just feels meh. Maybe i'm wrong but I'd like to know others' opinion on this matter. Side note: This is just my feelings about AST since I've been playing it for almost my whole time in the game and got a bit of help from others to further understand this job and others as I played through HW and StB.

@FFXIVMomo

5 жыл бұрын

It's stronger potency wise but tanks have more HP than they did in Stormblood which makes it feel weaker.

Huh no wonder why i love the job. i love making things difficult for myself

Is MCH a melee? Sounds like MCH is a melee.

I've been maining AST for a while now and I agree with 99.9% of what you've said here. Nice analysis and insight. Horoscope can be criminally underused sometimes. And just to reiterate, reduce the CD on Divination, for the love of gods.

@Zoeila

5 жыл бұрын

i worry about this. because i think you are meant to minor arcana everything when you waiting on divinatioon cooldown. i dont want minor aracana only use to be rng smoothing