I found sage confusing at first but after doing a few duties you get used to it quite quickly. It’s great fun and am levelling it now after finishing EW with my main

@amrishpatel3501

11 ай бұрын

That's what happened to me as well, after leveling my White Mage to lvl 90 :)

As a barrier heals main, I tried Sage out as an objective experiment. Before I knew it, I had made the decision to put the book down permanently. While Sage and Scholar are, point-for-point, on-par with one another (each gaining what the other lacks,) it boils down to a matter of play style. For me, the way Sage plays fits my play style as a healer, in-general, better.

I thought Panhaima would be more situational but the fact that nearly every Endwalker trial has some kind of Akh Morn makes me thankful it exists.

@FFXIVMomo

2 жыл бұрын

It's pretty useful in other areas too. For example in the video I mention you can use it for an AOE (200p) then have it drop down to 4 stacks healing you for 400 potency then leaving having the last shield last for something else (200p) that's 800 potency right there which is pretty strong considering the rest of Sages toolkit.

@zexiz1107

2 жыл бұрын

Using Panhaima like Haima just for the tank in pulls is also not bad

This video made me realize I was severely underutilizing some of Sage’s abilities and why I kept dropping tanks at high pulls, so thanks! I was really tempted to go back to white mage but I’m gonna give Sage another go

@Mixx1290

2 жыл бұрын

I was in the same boat. When I was running with a tank that was even slightly inefficient on their mitigation abilities.... I was losing them fast on WtW pulls. Realized after watching this vid that adding Haima/Panhaima to the start of the pull gave the tank the sustain they needed so I could focus on DPS and not worry about them dropping.

@esebato24

2 жыл бұрын

@@Mixx1290 same, I was wondering how is the tank dying so fast?? I just placed shields on him and buffs. Sage was very confusing for me at first but I'm slowly getting used to it. I got lucky that my tank was understanding with his pulls and the limits due to me being new to sage.

Ikarus can be used to undo the knockback effect of certain bosses and mechs. Has less recast time than Surecast so it comes pretty handy with those.

@newdecca

Ай бұрын

Didn’t know this

@desubysnusnu

19 күн бұрын

Yup, most positionals/gap closers has this effect.

Cool to see these interactions and mobility options with Icarus. Overall I've been liking Sage and just got my first clear on the 2nd Endwalker Extreme Trial with it. One thing I really love about Sage is that it's very rewarding and even more powerful to use it if you're in a fight that you know very well. Definitely a class for people that like to plan out an encounter than reactively dealing with a situation

between Kerachole and Taurochole you can actually keep near permanent uptime of 10% dmg decrease on tanks. When you think about that coupled with their own cooldowns, that's absolutely bonkers towards eHP, and damage prevented.

another super useful video, momo. thank you man. my current struggle is I dont really have a built in regular or fc play group, yet. So, Im queuing tank to farm tomes for fast queues, but I really need to spend much more time with sage and practice to get to a higher level of skill with it. its a conundrum!

@thunderborn3231

2 жыл бұрын

if theres one disagreement i have with him its that its 'totally different than scholar' the kit is exactly the same. a shield/heal with a button to reverse which it does, and an aoe version. a big heal with a long cooldown. a ogcd heal that costs meter. a damage reduction with a hot. an aoe hot with a cooldown. an aoe heal with a cooldown. a dot, a damage spell, a damage spell that costs meter. its just scholar with no pet, and reaper as flashy as it is just has dragoons kit. also, yes someone will lose their fucking mind because they both have like 4 skills that personalize them that are basically meaningless beyond flavor but they're the same. i know this is wordy, but getting tired of guides saying how its such a special snowflake when its what theyve been playing for the last 10 years

@FFXIVMomo

2 жыл бұрын

@@thunderborn3231 Every job in the game is like that lol. The way Scholar and Sage play are completely different in execution.

@jayr5mitty351

2 жыл бұрын

@@thunderborn3231 yes, I agree with Momo there. The toolkit may be the same, but the use is very different. Same as your example with reaper/dragoon. Same toolkit, VERY different playstyle

@AzureRaven2

2 жыл бұрын

@@thunderborn3231 You're really bad at looking past the superficial differences if you're saying RPR and DRG are the same. DRG's core is built around a 5 stage combo, where-as RPR wants to avoid using its main combo all it can as its just filler. Just because Wheeling Thrust and Fang and Claw are similar to Gibbet and Gallows does not remotely make the 2 jobs the same.

@endocry

2 жыл бұрын

@@thunderborn3231 just like all those dps jobs have abilities that damage the boss, just different names for the abilities.

Thank you for this video and your earlier sage video. It has been really helpful. Excited to see your white mage 90 video as I that is my main since ARR. On that topic, I ran an 8 man as sage with a white mage who knew what they were doing as Co healer.... that felt good lol. Makes me happy my 2 healing jobs that I love work well together. Interested to see your take on white mage in EW

Honestly, putting shield intantly feels amazing

I was always excited for Icarus being a BLM main. Let’s you greedy cast and move at the last min. Pneuma is so satisfying to use. Great animation and also very strong heal.

I'm glad that a lot of my feelings on sage were similar to yours (means my intuition and understanding of the game is improving, besides my wonky toxicon math on your previous videos, which your commenters helped correct). I honestly feel like, having played sage a lot now, that having no energy drain equivalent makes the job feel a lot more relaxed to play in many ways. With scholar, I always want to hold off on using soil bc it costs 100 potency, but on sage, your healing toolkit is actually being encouraged to be used, which feels pretty amazing. That being said, scholar's aetherflow actions are competitive with sage's addersgall actions in some regards (soil being 600 potency, and excog being able to be used 45 seconds in advance are both great). Zoe plus pneuma is honestly pretty bonkers. Zoe feels really underwhelming when you're levelling, but the minute you get to 90 it feels like every time you need a large aoe heal you can just pop off. Thanks for the video, they're always great food for thought, and I'll probably join that healer discord you were mentioning :D

@skortyspice

2 жыл бұрын

Would also like to add that your scholar guide for ShB is what got me into healing over other jobs, I really enjoy the aspect where you have to manage your resources and cooldowns!

@zlonewolf

2 жыл бұрын

Sge ogcds have mana % drain or mana increase by 6%. Look at the toolt tips. That includes group-wide too. Open your spell book and read.

Looking forward to the WHM video. It's my favorite and main job I've tried so far as a sprout, for now.

Icarus is great for unfamiliar dungeons. Saved me so many times.

Great video! Would it be possible to get a list of your sage macros you use on your hotbar and why you use them? I saw you had a few on your bar (kardia and a few other spells) and was curious about them.

Been waiting for this video. I have been having so much fun with this job and I’m glad it turned out great. I absolutely cannot wait to try Sage in Savage.

I couldn’t decide if i was just deluding myself into thinking that Pepsis trick was working like I thought it would. Good to know you tested it it does indeed work.

ty Momo love your vids!

Man, now I'm really looking forward to playing Sage whenever I get to level 70 as I'm currently going through the Stromblood story. Probably won't replace AST as my go to healer, I'm just so used to the busy fun playstyle of it and I'm looking forward to trying out all the new changes when I get to a higher level with AST as well as every other healer. Thanks again for the SCH and SGE vids, looking forward to the WHM and AST ones as well.

Hey how do you make it so your character doesn’t slide towards who you’re casting on? Your movement is much more smooth when I cast my targeted abilities it drags me towards whoever I’m casting

Sage is great for keeping things stable, but when drastic situations happen I think SGE suffers more then any other healer in being able to effectively deal with craziness. In dungeons, my experience has been that Sage is able to take an already good set of players to a whole new tier, being able to do some insane damage and keep everyone hale and hearty. However, moreso then any other healer I find myself struggling when i'm with a set of less experiences players. If your tanks pull big but don't drop cooldowns as Sage, you're in for an incredibly rough time in comparison to some of the other healers that have way better reaction tools and means to deal with that sort of bad situation. It's a trade, and it can be frustrating yet so rewarding when it works out. It's clear this class is very, very powerful. It exemplifies everything about the DPS healer mentality, and actively forces healers to adopt a more aggressive method of healing, and I for one am all for that.

@matthewoconnor2742

2 жыл бұрын

It seems like shield healers in general have this vibe. SCH feels great if your party is good, but also suffers when tanks pull the wall and dont mitigate

@zlonewolf

2 жыл бұрын

Regen healers do way more healers for less mana than shield healers. This is why whm is so powerful. Ast is whm but on steroids with the card system and their ogcds not tied to resources. For 400m you can keep a tank alive indefinitely. For 1k mana you can turn the tide of a raid-wide versus cure 2. People underestimate regen healers. Shield healers are mitigators. Its great on a tank when it crits and Scholar kit is perfect for that. Sage is so-so. But their shields eat mana. Thats why they got mana % skills on ogcds. As far as wall to wall pulls, just be ready to heal regardless of the healer. No regen or shield can keep up with oncoming dmg. Ogcds cycle with gcds and mana regen skills are your friend. Especially when tank decides to pull without stopping to see if the healer is close by.

Phelgma's range being short is really annoying. I think the design intention was that you would combo it after Icarus, but in practice, it just makes using it on single targets fairly restrictive and un-fun. Icarusing to the boss every 90 seconds to dump your stacks of phlegma sounds like a cool mechanic to spice up the healer dps rotation, but they didn't flesh the concept out as much as they did with red mage. Maybe they could add in some mechanic that would give an addersting if you combo phlegma with icarus. That way you could use the toxicon stack to reposition yourself from melee range. It would also spice up the aoe rotation and give a way to generate addersting on a CD without being too much. The best part is that toxicon is dps neutral, so it wouldn't throw the class out of balance damage-wise.

@dmillk

2 жыл бұрын

I'm of the opposite mind. It's very similar to miasma II weaving on SCH where melee uptime was of the essence. Healers are already braindead at this point, weave whatever heal in your gcd and you're done. Phlegma pushes you to stay within melee range, which in addition to being a nice change of gameplay in an ever-increasingly homogenized pool of healers, also gives us something to think about and preplan for. aka play your healer like a melee. I personally love that aspect of SGE and I suspect SE set it up this way for all the players complaining about what SCH had become during shb.

@thunderborn3231

2 жыл бұрын

im already busy having to deal with idiots that can't get out of mechanics 15 years old, but that should calm down further into the expansion. i will say this sounds like the energy drain argument from scholar just again. ff14 has made it BLATANT over the years if a healing dps option makes you do more than a dps they take it from you.

@DillonBranford

2 жыл бұрын

But you don’t have to Icarus to use phlegma. Just stutter step over to the boss and reposition after.

@halapenopepper

2 жыл бұрын

ideally everyone wants to stand on the rear of the boss unless a positional or a mechanic forces you to move, ESPECIALLY healers who need to be in range of as many party members as possible, so I can't say the short range is anything I've ever noticed feeling bad

@likelike12345

2 жыл бұрын

I usually just stay in or near melee pretty much all the time. It's often one of the safest places in combat and easiest to avoid cone AOEs when close. Melee also a great place to cast all our point-blank AOE heals. I mostly use phlegma for movement, usually saving a charge. It's pretty cool when you use it to avoid an enemy's cone by circling the it cuz phlegma's animation has a spin.

I was really shocked when you didn't even mention Icarus in your last video, it seemed like an oversight. I agree it feels weird without 2 charges though, I'm always saving it in case there's a worse emergency later haha

I know that in reality you get this on like every video and are tired of it but do you have have any plans to do a general guide for extreme/savage healing on sage, if anything after the savage tiers come out? It has easily grown to become my main and I've been doing the new extremes on it and while I like the toolkit, I sometimes feel like I am struggling to pump heals compared to my co-healer WHMs and ASTs. And I've really kind of been stumped as to how to improve in that front. To be fair, I have yet to really log the extremes, as I did them before the fflogs page was properly updated, but it does feel like I've done what I can, using pneuma to heal up big aoe hits, holos for akh morn style stacks, physis to cover aoe damage during downtime, and yet it still feels like my co-healer is pulling ahead. I'm sure there are things I'm missing, so this would be incredibly appreciated. Thank you!

@tracys.6771

2 жыл бұрын

Sage's kit focuses heavily on mitigating damage and maintenance heals, rather than raw burst healing, and seemingly has less resources for healing throughput than the other healers. In clean runs with good coordination from your cohealer and minimal mistakes it's not terribly noticeable, however you really feel it when mistakes are made and you need to pump out heals to get things back on track. You do have a few options for big burst heals, but they are all on cooldowns (aside from spamming diagnosis/prognosis, which is not ideal). Eukrasian Diagnosis/Prognosis + Pepsis is a good combination for burst healing, especially when buffed by Physis II/Krasis, and can be followed up by Ixochole/Druochole. Another big burst heal is Zoe + Pneuma for a big 900 potency AoE heal which can also be buffed by Physis II or Krasis. Really though, Sage shines on having a lot of mitigation and healing buffs in their kit to prevent damage and increase the healing received by the party. So, at a basic level, if no one is dying due to lack of mitigation on your part and your cohealer (or you) isn't being forced to spam GCD heals, then you're good. I wouldn't worry too much about not having the same raw healing power as the regen healers.

Hello ! I enjoyed the video but i enjoyed your glamour too :) can i ask you what top are you wearing ? Thank you have a nice day and happy chrismas !

Hi, would you give your opinion on the state of WHM @ lvl 90 now?

I definitely look at toxicon and movement very differently, probably from mostly running lower difficulty content so far. I always thought of Eukrasia as the first movement tool, and toxicon as the second. So although it’s DPS neutral in a single gcd vacuum, i think of it as half potency for two gcds of movement. Especially cuz that shield WILL get value on the tank because there’s no way there won’t be enough damage to break it in 30 seconds. Although maybe your tank doesn’t collect vuln stacks like mine. Also due to the lower skill level I use more gcd heals I’m general. On top of that eukrasia is a good panic button of “oh I have to move” and then deciding if replying DoT or putting a shield on the tank is better

@Sines314

Жыл бұрын

It's still a bigger potency loss than using Ruin 2, but getting the extra heal in there might save you casting one later. The only downside is that Ruin 2 is the best panic movement tool for learning. So I'll miss having that.

Man this is awesome. I thought I was imagining the pepsis double dip.

How are you able to cast E.Dosis/Toxicon while facing away from mobs? Sorry if it's well known, but I always hate when I have to face something so if there's a way to not do that... it'd be a game changer for me. Very informative video :)

@zlonewolf

2 жыл бұрын

Its in your character configuration. Change the setting that force you to look at the enemy when you are attacking. Otherwise you cant cast any spells when facing away. But for enemies that paralysis with glares, press escape to take the enemy off so you dont turn around when a stone glare mechanic cast is happening.

I know in the end it´s all about timing and memory, but Icarus saved me from unnecessary damage/certain death so many times in every single dungeon that I lowkey think I´ll suffer for not having it once I get to level WHM.

@FFXIVMomo On large pulls would you say it's more effective to stack Kerachole/Taurochole with Holos or spread it evenly after Kera/Tauro fall off? Didn't know they stacked and been just doing the latter.

@omensoffate

2 жыл бұрын

Read the tool tips lol

@zlonewolf

2 жыл бұрын

The dmg reduction parts dont stack. The healing portion always goes thru. It shouldnt matter much unless you want to reduce incoming damage by a lot. If thats your goal then yes some mitigations dont overlap.

By the way, Pneuma's range is 20 for healing but it's 25 for damage... Which is on par with Medica/Afflatus Rapture/Plenary Indulgence from WHM just to name a few.

sage does not play the same as scholar but I would say it plays similarly. you can definetley see the inspiration taken from scholars kit.

This might sound like a weird question but there was a point in the video where you attacked someone behind you as you were running away. How do you do that? As far as I was aware, you're only two options were to either automatically face the target you're attacking which turns your camera around thus causing problems if you're running or having to manually turn your character to face someone you're attacking. Basically, how do you make it so you can pack anyone around you without having to move your camera? Right now I have it set to automatically facing and if I'm running away from a Target attacking them snaps the camera behind me so now I'm running the other way.

@batrastered

2 жыл бұрын

I do this by using legacy controls (i.e. if I press "s" to walk backwards, I run towards the camera as opposed to the camera turning around), this combined with auto-face and the DoT cast being instant means I can keep running forward while hitting mobs behind.

Your talk about Pneuma's "secret" ability reminds me of Macrocosmos for AST it does the same thing basically apply instantly once you press the button or the buff falls off

i barely started playing before endwalker and i still dont understand how potency works and interacts with your stats do you have a video that explains it?

@Rc3651

2 жыл бұрын

It's just an easy way to compare how strong an ability is compared to others. You always know that a 600 potency ability will do more than a 300 potency ability. The potency doesn't change due to gear or level (unless the ability upgrades later) either so it's always useful and easy to memorize and compare. Better stats just mean bigger numbers for the most part, but at max level you might be interested in optimizing your sub stats (crit, spell speed, piety, etc) which have slightly different effects

When it comes to Savage/Ultimates...what would you think is in a better State Scholar or Sage?

I love how quickly you can react with GCD shields. As a Scholar, thanks to the cast time, you can't react quickly enough, your shields aren't there on time. And as a Sage, you even get an Addersting back while the Scholar gets nothing. Getting something back for GCD shielding makes one hell of a difference. I underestimated how low the Sage mobility is when you refuse to lose damage. I wished Iccarus had a lower cooldown. I always feel like there are 5 to 10 seconds left when I want to use it. But being able to GCD heal on the move makes up for it.

@PH03NIX96

2 жыл бұрын

Both extremes you can have virtually 100% uptime through the use of "cast sliding" no mechanic requires a near instantaneous response that you can't preposition for or use addersting to move for.

@Crystan

2 жыл бұрын

True, however with a Scholar not only can you guarantee that it lands a critical double-shield, but you can also turn that double-shield into pure healing. It's a very different style of play, and with Sage being even more reactive than other jobs, it's severely lacking in tools to pull you out of a sticky situation. All their big heals are abilities, not spells, so you can't even benefit from Zoe on them.

@PH03NIX96

2 жыл бұрын

@@Crystan Zoe and Pneuma is 900 potency AOE, combined with Physis is 990p plus 650p from regen. That'll take a group from 0 to full and is their biggest heal. If you're playing Sage reactively then you're wrong. EPrognosis + Pepsis is 450p heal plus whatever you go out of the 320p shields. Ixochole is only 400p aoe Kardia/Soteria pull more weight than any other ability in single target healing. Most of your time should hlbe spent DPSing while applying 10% mitigation to keep the tank from taking excess damage and therefor letting the situation get away from you. I barely touch eDiagnosis/Prognosis outside of initial pull because they're just not needed and very severe mana sinks outside of Pepsis combo.

So far i think it's my favorite healer

What macro did you put on those skills?

umm shall i go for crit/dit for materia or crit/direct

So if a tank buster is coming out, should I use Zoe on that? With a Eukrasian Diagnosis every time?

@paradonyx7987

2 жыл бұрын

No, it’s a dps loss. You have Haima and Terochole to deal with tank busters. There is 0 reason to waste a GCD to cast ED when a tankbuster is coming, unless they have several Vuln stacks and are guaranteed to die, but in this case, they should pop immunity. The tank should know well enough to mitigate.

@ACN3TWORK

2 жыл бұрын

@@paradonyx7987 tysm good to know

I will definitely use Kerachole more often in the future. I struggled in EW Dungeons, especially on bigger pulls (looking at you last wall-to-wall pull in Tower of Zot) And i think i let my tank die due to not utilizing Kerachole, Physis II and Haima enough.

What app or mod are you using that shows you your statistics lik e that?

My only issue with Numa is I wish I could see the heal numbers apply like I do when I use any other of my heals. I think it’s just more visual / sound affect that I want just to know that I’m healing my allies.

I fell in love with reaper when I started but I wanted to try sage even though I've never been a fan of healing and I fell in love with sage, it's so smooth, and so fun to play, I still suck but every dungeon I do I get better, and now listening to this video, I think it will help me out a lot

@esebato24

2 жыл бұрын

I fell in love with both. Reapers and sage's animations and play style feels so smooth to me. I also picked up summoner and fell in love with it as well.

@alexcobb48

2 жыл бұрын

@@esebato24 I plan on trying the summoner soon! Heard a lot of good thing

@esebato24

2 жыл бұрын

@@alexcobb48 it's in a really good position right now and hopefully they don't try to nerf it. I highly recommend it since it pretty much replaced my RM.

@alexcobb48

2 жыл бұрын

@@esebato24 I'll give it a try when I finish lvling my bard

@esebato24

2 жыл бұрын

@@alexcobb48 true, bard is extremely helpful with their buffs

Been loving SGE so far, my only issue with it is that Eukrasia feels kinda clunky to use on high latency, it would be butter smooth if it turns into an oGCD. That and the fact that it doesn't have any form of "panic button" which i learned to love in WHM, SCH and AST, but that's mainly personal and don't affect the experience at all.

@zlonewolf

2 жыл бұрын

Sge and Sch are played almost 90% same. Your "panic" buttons are your shield rotated with your heal. If you only shield you will let the tank die as the heal portion of Eukrasia is 40% only. It should be shield>heal>shield (when shield depops). Taurochole is 10% mitigation and equivalent to 50% of bene. 700 potency on a tank is massive heal. The other 600 potency heal is lower level for dungeons that lock out taurachole but that skill doesnt have 10% mitigation. Addersgall is FAR superior to Whm lilly system. If anything whm brings stronger ogcds but Sge brings superior ogcd resources. Sge is THE only healer that cant insta-cast Eukrasia spells. Thats insta-cast shield that no other healer have including even Scholar. Pre-cast Eukrasia in advanced unless you already know it isnt needed or you know that shielding isn't mana efficient. Thats only downside to Eukrasia is the higher mana.

I've used the toxicon combo on a dk in the level 81 dungeon and at the last 2 hard pulls with 3 group each and it was easy keeping them alive. Just as long as you keep a good rotation going of course. I feel bad for dks unusual spot

@esebato24

2 жыл бұрын

I used to be a dk main but I've turned paladin/gunbreaker. Hopefully dk gets out of that unusual spot, it just doesn't feel like Im tanking like before.

@Esteb86

2 жыл бұрын

I'm new to healing, but hated healing DKs, until I figured out how to play sage. Now I find it fun. I have a whm, that's only level 45, but sage just feels like a better fit for me.

I may be stupid but do you use krasis on the target you want to heal or on yourself

@LazarusRisen

2 жыл бұрын

You'd put Krasis on the person you wish to heal.

@Wildpyro75

2 жыл бұрын

@@LazarusRisen ah thanks

hopefully this video will make the rounds. In dungeons I am overhealing with druo just for mana, and even in the savages I find myself using gall just for mp econ. sage's kit is so strong. But every few hours I see someone in shout chat complain about how awful sage is lmao.

@MaethorDerien

2 жыл бұрын

I think the problem is that when you have good players sage feels overpowered and it depends on the content. The issue tends to be when paired with bad tanks in dungeons who wall to wall pull but don't properly use mitigation. It is a very specific situation but for people who do a lot of expert and leveling dungeon in duty finder who are having the trouble. There are a lot of times when I have been paired with tanks where I was reduced to spamming E.prog on them and burning every CD to keep them alive because they don't really mitigate well. It is literally an issue of sustained high damage healing that they have a problem with. The problem is that before tanks have been able to get away with that because the other healers have the sustained throughput to deal with that, sure the dungeons actually goes slower because of the loss of healer dps even if it makes the tanks personal dps slightly higher. In trial and raid content sage feels great and borderline overpowered. The problem is that I don't see a real fix for the issue. It is just a weakness of their kit is that when they have to GCD heal they end up as one of the very worst healers. You can't really buff things or they will end up overpowered though as they have some of the best burst healing tools available. I think so much of the big polarizing difference in opinion in how it feels comes from the fact that most of the time you never need sustained healing for much of the high end content. I mean the upper levels of the playerbase are spending their time all doing the extreme trial right now. The players doing that don't really experience the problem that often, I mean they might do a daily expert but I know a lot who don't even bother with that, they are not likely going to be doing the level XX or leveling roulette. On the other hand your more casual players are probably running multiple expert duties and doing all the different roulette options so they experience it a lot more often.

I love sage and it's got some rough edges but it's still really great. Some of it is just QoL stuff or personal preference changes but nothing game breaking I think most would agree. I personally would like to see Eukrasia as an ability and not a spell. When you're constantly casting anyways you have to wait for the GCD to be up to even use it and then you can use your other ability. Phlegma is annoying with it's range but the rest of the kit is fun so I tolerate it. Pneuma is strong but in some cases is not useable because it requires an enemy target. Situational but still annoying. The other stuff that's weird has already been said. Addersgall abilities tied to mana regen or most damage reduction abilities stuck with an up front heal that can often go wasted, while not broken just seems a bit odd. Still highly recommend the job to others.

@zlonewolf

2 жыл бұрын

Eukrasia makes Sage THE most mobile healer. Scholar has to stand for 2 seconds eating oncoming raid-wides and wiping to use Adloquim or succor. Sage doesnt have the same problem. Sage is THE only shielding healer that can cast a powerful medica with prognosis and turn his Eukrasia prognosis into succor that has 225% shield. Scholar shields take 2 extra seconds to cast AND cost more mana. Its a slap in the face when your group is dying while you're standing there casting. Sage can cast prognosis follow by Eukrasia Prognosis in the same time it takes Scholar to cast a single Succor. Sage is underrated and their gcds with Eukrasia and regular prognosis is underutilized. Their ogcds don't work against them unlike scholar. The only thing is missing is strong passive fairy heals which Scholar does better. Kardia is a weaker fairy heal system that can only target one person at a time thus far weaker and more mana intensive.

@Vashramire

2 жыл бұрын

@@zlonewolf Did you take my comment to mean that Eukrasia wasn't strong?

@zlonewolf

2 жыл бұрын

On contrary, Sage is Sch on steroids. Their lack of strong passive heal is lackluster. But panhaima and haima makes up for kardia. And lastly Eukrasian is an instant heal. I feel Sch hasnt changed much. Meanwhile they took a look at Sch and redo it as Sage. Not saying Sage is perfect in anyway.

@HalfLifeHalfDead

2 жыл бұрын

@@zlonewolf Yeah, your bias shows there, buddy. No, Sage is not the most mobile healer, it's in fact the second least mobile healer. Just because Eukrasia is instant that doesn't make you mobile. If you are using it as a movement skill you are doing it wrong. Using your GCDs is very low on the priority list and not something you need to do in any content currently. If you are using Prognosis to heal people up you are doing something quite wrong as well. It's 300 potency, which makes it very weak. It's not underutilized at all It's also not true that the Scholar shield takes 2 extra seconds to cast, it takes 1 extra second, you seem to forget that Eukrasia in itself has a cast time of 1 second. You also seem to be forgetting that Scholar still has by far the biggest shields with Adlo+DTac. Even your complaints about Sage are nonsense. The fairy also only targets one person at a time and since you always want that person to be the tank, the fact that she can target someone else who is at 99% HP is a negative, not a positive. And Kardia is more mana intensive? What..?!

What do you mean when you say Phlegma is dps positive? What does that mean?

@thighknives

2 жыл бұрын

it does more damage than the normal gcd attacks

Could’t you time Panhaima to get the full stack heal on a whole raid? That’s a pretty respectable heal. I mean using it 15 seconds before a big AoE to get that 500 potency heal right after the damage lands.

See's Myomyo video, clicks like

For me, I've been using Eukrasian Diagnosis whenever I see a tankbuster, and I think that if the potency for Toxicon was higher, like 450, it would fix the issue. That's just me, and I'm by no means a good healer.

@Rc3651

2 жыл бұрын

It'd need to be 660p to be worth spending the GCD on healing rather than another Dosis, assuming the tank didn't need the shield to live. But I don't think they want to go that route since being DPS neutral with shields would be pretty crazy. It'd be pretty strong compared to Adlo from a DPS perspective

@AzazelSylphson

2 жыл бұрын

@@Rc3651 indeed, it’s more of a mobility option than anything.

@zlonewolf

2 жыл бұрын

Two diagnosis is stronger than one Eukrasian Diagnosis. But not by much. Eukr Diag can crit for almost 70-80% of the tank's health. If you got crit gear Eukr Diagnosis > two diagnosis. Also Eukr skills are mobility quality of life. Sge is THE best mobile shielding healer.

I feel like Icarus should have a second part to it that pulls you back to your original location, so you can jump in, Phlegma, then jump back out.

@silxer3154

2 жыл бұрын

Maybe having multiple charges would also help?

@AetherStar

2 жыл бұрын

Just give it 2 charges

would you be willing to share what macros you are using plz

Momo video, great video

Nice to see I was right when I felt Toxikon feels clunky in its current state. There definitely needs to be another way to get charges.

@TheCuboneSwordsman

2 жыл бұрын

id be fine if adders sting procced from Eukrasian Prognosis but thats really the only thing id actually want sage to have changed abou it currently

So, am I dumb, or is it really annoying to need to use an augment to get your DOT out? Or is this resolved later in the leveling cycle?

@Rc3651

2 жыл бұрын

It doesn't change. I think whether you like it is personal preference. I like it personally, it reduces button bloat and also forces you to think about which ability you'd like to use since Eucrasia could lock you out of the one you want

@cynthiahembree3957

2 жыл бұрын

I dont like it . It bugs me when i go from sage to any other healer. I might stick to scholar because of that

Still having a hard time deciding which to dedicate more on, SCH or SGE. Hm. Hard choice.

SCH main still, but I hate how freaking good SGE is and how powerful the variety of offensive spells are. Got all my healers to 90 now and it just seems foolish to play with anything else right now. The heals are solid and the damage is insane. That said, I’m working on my tanks now and it’s astonishing how many bad sages are out there. More than half don’t know what kera/tauro are and they neglect every CD. I’ve tried helping but they’re content with Druo spam and eukrasian prognosis 🤦🏾‍♂️ WHM is a thing bbs

Toxicon is not a dps loss, it's dps neutral. It sacrifices 1 cast of doses to put up a shield to get the same potency back. The nice thing is both putting up the shield and toxicon can be done while moving. So with planning you can fit both of them into windows you couldn't apply damage anyway. The shield is even easier as many raid wides have windows that you pop party wide mid and shield then still have enough time to put the single target shield on at least one sometimes 3 targets getting you all your stings back when the raid wide lands. This is even easier when working with your CO healer. If they are going to take the brunt of the raid wide you can just focus on putting up your 3 shields.

I did the whole MSQ with the Sage and it was odd at first then funnier and funnier ! At times i thought that it would be good if his heals where as strong as the scholar indom but Sage has his strong points as you said in the video

@CeeJay322

2 жыл бұрын

And thanks for the Zoe + pneuma tip !!!

@zexiz1107

2 жыл бұрын

Ixochole is literally the same skill a indom

@CeeJay322

2 жыл бұрын

@@zexiz1107 I know it just felt weaker 😅 but yes it's the same

I hope we can get another Cursed modified Akito for e10s like strat so we can do that pseudo swap with Rescue and Icarus

SGE healing toolkit is very powerful, I think its geared towards "stability" of the party. If shit hits the fan I think SGE lacks a single target burst heal, like ED, recit excog or bene. Also healing living dead as SGE is well, interesting to say the least. If everything is going smooth with a few mistakes here and there, SGE is the best to freely sustain everyone.

@sethhamilton4369

2 жыл бұрын

For sage I have not had this problem I feel like a terachole and the a eucrasian diagnosis with a Pepsis works pretty well for a big heal

@wolfdragonsxiii5192

2 жыл бұрын

@@sethhamilton4369 but thats four button presses whm and ast can do in one

@ianhyche8038

2 жыл бұрын

@@sethhamilton4369 Taurachole doesnt get saved specifically for emergencies though. That should be used frequently for the mitigation imo. Rotating it with kerachole for example.

@NatCr3w

2 жыл бұрын

After getting the job to 90 I agree. If Sage gets in a hole it has to tread water until it can recover. Otherwise it has few options to rescue the situation. I feel it is also a job most affected by tank mitigation use. If your tank isn't properly using damage reduction you are going to struggle. Especially if you get a GNB who panics and uses Superbolide at a bad time.

@maxrusty3596

2 жыл бұрын

@@NatCr3w I agree except as far as aoe burst healing its kind of godlike even better than scholar. But yea its single target healing and sustain is not great its hard to keep a tank that wall to walls going even if u space ur cds.

Should I be putting Krasis on myself or the tank?

@zlonewolf

2 жыл бұрын

Kardia should be on tanks. If they have enmity on they will always take dmg first.

Thoughts on materia?

Sage is starting to get strong after 80, but 70 to 80 dungeons levelling can be rough, especially if you did roulette.

Edit log: - Pneuma 20y not 25y oop.

@guifmurb

2 жыл бұрын

good log momosNoted

@bophadesknutz7798

2 жыл бұрын

Pog log

@SouthQuab

2 жыл бұрын

minor correction: pneuma is 20y not 25 for the healing part, 25 is the range to target. I was confused by the tooltip for a bit. Also, idk if this is just me, but while I've noticed pneuma sometimes being instant like you described, I've also noticed it taking waaaaaaaaaaaaay longer than a normal aoe heal to cascade onto a teammate sometimes.

@FFXIVMomo

2 жыл бұрын

@@SouthQuab Oh you're right lol Not the first time FFXIV has had a weird tooltip. It's also not impossible that Pneuma is acting buggy, I personally haven't had an issue with it cascading yet but I wouldn't be surprised if something like ping is interfering with it sometimes.

@anumariku

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Momo! Thanks for all the excellent videos throughout the years :). I'm curious what your Kardia macro is? I was contemplating making it a macro myself, but trying to figure out if there's a good one out there that will auto-switch to the other tank for tank swaps? Rather than having two separate macros targeting each tank. Edit; I also just noticed you have a few other macros on your Sage bars. Any other macros to keep in mind? :)

It's a pleasure to watch in action, much like Astrologian, thanks to the show offy move set. But I do laugh at the fact that they essentially took the old Dark Arts mechanic. xD

Great video. Just got my Astro to 90. Not sure how I feel about it. Seems like Astro is very busy and not sure if it’s worth the business if sage and other classes can do more with less to focus on.

@FaceFish9

2 жыл бұрын

if you play your cooldowns well, it's 100% the best raw healer, though the others have their own tools aswell

@capo3645

2 жыл бұрын

@@Caliban743 having done the extremes i can't see any healer not being able to easily solo heal them without even break a sweat. extremes have always been solo healable in this game in terms of actual healing requirements

@kovacsbenjamin7960

2 жыл бұрын

wait what? Astro is super busy but it's basically the best healer if we're talking about the numbers and the healing tools are super strong. Macrocosmos, hello? And neutral sect is still broken as fuck. :D Astro is fun and a strong healing job and I hope SE won't revert the card changes. I know basically every youtuber and content creator is bitching about it but the current version is waaay more exciting. 5% single healer dps is nothing, and 2 seal astrodyne is a big bonus. It's a free lucid dream and the casting speed is required for the weaving because now we have a fuckton of ogcd's. And the fast paced gameplay is simply fun.

@FaceFish9

2 жыл бұрын

@@kovacsbenjamin7960 i mean people who shouldnt be even talking about astro got the most fun cards removed because they couldnt see how to use anything but "20% dmg buff" there are some people who shouldnt talk about class "fun" because they have no idea about it ruining it for others, and as you said, Astro is super fun right now, when you actually do content that require you to heal.

Sage sounds really funnnn

Adders gall would be great if you could store 1 stack with an ability to use at any point and/or the bar could raise but pauses at max if you are at max stacks so when you spend one it instantly fills the rest of the way up and grants you another stack and starts filling the bar again. Something where you don't feel like you can't keep 3 charges saved up unless they give an excog like effect to spend it on

Sage is life!

It took me about 20 mins to set up my Sage Bars since I had to sort of hybrid them between my SCH and WHM ones - I still can't tell all the "-osis" abilities apart, but I can at least use them effectively based on positions on my crossbars - but the Job seems to have an interesting mix of "clunky to the unwary, but potentially hella overpowered in the hands of a master". Like...Sage is almost TOO good. Imagine if you took ShB's AST, but then made it where they could toggle between Diurnal and Nocturnal in battle but take away the cards, and then gave it all the things SCH and WHM had been asking to be given for 2-4 years. That's Sage. It can shield, it can heal, it can mitigate, and it gets continuous passive healing (by doing damage) on par with Eos that can even be specifically targeted. And it does all this with over the top hyper-cool visual and audio flares. As such, I'm not sure it NEEDS more power. I find it difficult to argue that Icarus needs a shorter CD, for example, while we have WHM over here that isn't any more mobile than SGE is AND has far more issues in need of addressing. The argument "the least mobile should get more charges" makes sense...if we finish that sentence as "the least mobile within a role should get more charges...than the other, more mobile members of the role". As SGE is the ONLY ONE with a movement tool like that, having ONE charge is already "more charges than the other(s)". I don't think it needs MORE. :) The only bit of clunk with me for SGE is the cast time on their ultimate, but it's also arguably one of the more powerful ultimates and would be even more op without one. As noted, Panhamia already works arguably better than things like Liturgy of the Bell. I feel like SGE is in such a good place right now, giving it even more would arguably make it too overpowered, a line it's already straddling.

si·mul·ta·ne·ous·ly

Woukd speel speed materia be good on sage?

@kovacsbenjamin7960

2 жыл бұрын

not really, kardia is not your main healing tool in it's current form. It's basically a weaker Regen, good to keep your main tank healthy with your attacks but that's all. Crit is stronger for the bonus shield. btw I think they'll buff kardia's potency (and maybe they should reduce the 5sec cd on it) because sage is fucking strong with barriers but it's healing kit is very limited, very cd dependent and kinda weak next to a sch.

@davidbai3543

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, you would probably stack spell speed when reclearing savages but I would stick a more balanced stat distribution when progging.

@Rc3651

2 жыл бұрын

It does mean you can Kardia more frequently but it also doesn't effect your Eucrasia abilities which have set recast times. So I'm torn on it personally, but I think Crit will win out like always. Especially since you have the Adlo crit effect

I've spent the past two days grinding the two Endwalker Extremes and expert dungeons and coming from WHM, Sage feels amazing. Two Sage's is a bit... odd, but even that still feels good.

WHM: You guys get one charge of a movement ability?

@zlonewolf

2 жыл бұрын

Sch: yea but we get combat 🏃.

To those that think Kardia is weak: It only seems "weak" if your math skills are weak. 170 potency every 2.4 seconds (about a usual recast time). Consider the fact that Regen is 250 potency with the new trait every 3 seconds and extrapolate that 170/2.4 over 3 seconds instead. That equates to 212.5 potency. With Soteria, that's 318.75. This costs you ZERO GCDs. So you effectively have something close to a free Regen at all times. It's exactly 85% of the potency of a Regen without Soteria, and is +27.5% more potency than Regen with Soteria. Also free. So a WHM, to be able to match this anywhere, would have to waste a GCD every 18 seconds. That is truly awful. Since WHM has so few off GCD heals they could fit in a matchbox, Sage blows it out of the water in so many ways right now imo. I don't think anyone can complain about Sage unless it's to talk about the lack of a party buff like AST and SCH get. That's pretty much all it lacks though. That and maybe Rhizomata should have a lower recast, or should have charges, both. Or perhaps have some kind of trait that makes it's recast get faster if it doesn't something like proc Kardia's heal. But it has so much, I feel like that's just being greedy and am pretty content with it atm.

wait, Toxikon is a dps lost? i thought it was suppose to be our "blood lilies" mech? /shrug :(

@CattieReldin

2 жыл бұрын

Blood lilies is also a dps loss to glare. :)

@StreetSoundsSwirln

2 жыл бұрын

@@CattieReldin oh....oof....

Unless fights are made differently in this next tier I would imagine double restoration healer will still be better? (For speed that is)

@HalfLifeHalfDead

2 жыл бұрын

When was that the case? For speed in the end it was all about rDPS, which was never a question of restoration vs shields.

@Drew88317

2 жыл бұрын

@@HalfLifeHalfDead technically yes but the less gcds the healer spends healing the closer they get to their Max rdps. Assuming you can live the hits without a shield, hots have way more potency. Checking right now it seems sage is actually so strong that even with heal casts it may contend

@HalfLifeHalfDead

2 жыл бұрын

@@Drew88317 You seem to think that GCDs are the only mitigation mitigation healers have or that there are no oGCD shields. That is not the case.

@Drew88317

2 жыл бұрын

@@HalfLifeHalfDead no but it's easier to do 0gcd heals on resto usually.

One thing I just realized about Icarus + Rescue is that u could potentially use it to give a melee DPS more uptime if they fucked up and don't have a gap closer off CD

Should we go with spell speed on sage?

@zlonewolf

2 жыл бұрын

Crit gear on Sage. Sage has very fast heals and good ogcds.

@myronelie7635

2 жыл бұрын

@@zlonewolf thanks

I don't think you've covered this, but one way to get full Addersting right on start is to put single target shield on 3 party members, if the fight starts with raidwide, as most raids are, you'll instantly get 3 stings on start, And repeat again on add transition if any.

@Rc3651

2 жыл бұрын

He mentioned it in the video

i can barely keep up in lvling dungeons... i'm probably doing something wrong

So...apparently I'm playing an entirely different game than you. ;) This video (and your other on SGE) are eye-opening, I need to give it another try because I found the job so clunky I knew I was doing something wrong.

One thing about sage is that it suffers a lot when it's under geared.

@ninponighthawk

2 жыл бұрын

i cant agree with this more. i tried healing a lvl 86 dungeon in aug crypt gear and it was a STRUGGLE. like throwing ever GCD and OGCD i had just to keep the tank alive.

@zlonewolf

2 жыл бұрын

Its probably an undergeared tank. Use Eukrasian heals with pepsis. Alt between Eukr diagnosis and diagnosis. Get your crit gear up so the Eukrasian diagnosis becomes a massive tank buster eating shield. Use taurochole and druachole to supplement mana as theyre Lustrate but better.

@dragonhearthx8369

2 жыл бұрын

For reference I was level 79 with 409 item level. When I went to 80 I was 504 item level.

you say healer with the least mobility, which i totally disagree - almost everything is instant and you have MORE mobility then any other healer with icarus - apart from scholar 90th skill - no other healer is that flexible when it comes to movement. Other then that, sage is pretty op i have to say, playing all 4 healer at max lvl :D

the way toxikons are gained are the only real downside in the kit for me, there should be at least 1 more way to get those stings. heck i would take the blood lilly approach even, every X (maybe 5 so it isnt that easy?) galls used you get 1 sting...

Meanwhile did we talk about SCH got a straight easy drop of at least 1000 potency equivalent heal and shield on single target, and about 500 potency loss on aoe heal.

I like the balance between sage and scholar. Scholar is still the raw shielding king, where as Sage brings more pure healing along with respectable mitigation ability. Also shooting lasers as shit is just plain fun.

@zlonewolf

2 жыл бұрын

As far as raw gcd shielding Sage is better. Instant gcds from Eukrasian. Panhaima and haima is very powerful ogcds. Its not a resource unlike Scholar Seraph veil. You can cast it instantly whenever. Besides instant shielding, Sage and Scholar shielding is similar in potency with Sage having slight edge in user friendly cast speed and skills not tied to resource.

Sage good.

Why not make Rhizomata 2 minutes, but have it give 1 Addersgall and say 1000MP with it? To help it act better as a recovery move as you would more likely insta-use the 2 addersgall it gives you to get that 1000MP anyway so it giving 1000MP on the spot outright gives you more control of what you use that extra addersgal for.

@KainZC

2 жыл бұрын

how about 2 mins but give us 3 Addersgall

@Rc3651

2 жыл бұрын

@@KainZC 3 is too much because you'll probably already have one, and if you hit 3 it resets your gauge buildup to 0. So if you were 80% of the way to another Gall then you'll lose that progress. It also stops building until you spend one, which delays your Gall for the rest of the fight. I'd rather have 2 more frequently, it's more flexible

given the comprehensive nature of the skills/combos discussion, and the speed you talk, 18 min was not too long for me.

All I want for SGE is Icarus being made usable more often. Ideally, drop its cooldown to 15 seconds so it’s in line with other similar movement abilities. Comprise, I’d take dropping its cooldown to 30 seconds if it got a second charge. Worst case, leave it at 45 seconds but give it three charges in total.

@HalfLifeHalfDead

2 жыл бұрын

15 seconds would be way too strong IMO, but having two charges would be quite nice! I also think this would be the most fun option personally.

14:00 oh, I do have an use for that _hehehehehehehe_

Only thing I hate on sage is the range for phlegma it needs a buff

Having gotten it to 90 last night and from my experience from the other healers ( at least to 80) Sage feels fun as hell. It satisfies the melee main craziness in me with all the kinds of combinations you can do. Though I can see how it can seem overwhelming to someone who isn't used to be proactive in healing or new to healing altogether.

@Feridire

2 жыл бұрын

The only class I played before this was the Astro which I find is good for reaction healing, I got so used to that I struggled and still sometimes struggle keeping tanks alive during big pulls since if they drop in HP I find it can be hard to get them back up before they die, so often I find I'm spending my entire kit on every single pull to keep the tanks up.

@Its_an_Eze

2 жыл бұрын

@@Feridire I would say definitely take your time and have a good flow or rotation going. It's definitely faster paced than Astro for sure. But I'm sure you'll get a feel for it :)