Thanks to all for the great suggestions, especially thanks to Chris @ Crosstalk!

@jeepxj

3 жыл бұрын

sorry it got canceled on ya chief.

@11c86

3 жыл бұрын

jeepxj it’s a big financial hit to our department but we will do it next year!

@jeepxj

3 жыл бұрын

How are you guys on funding for the year without it?

@11c86

3 жыл бұрын

jeepxj we’ve had to tap into savings. Loss is compounded by planned building repairs and substantial repairs to one of or engines.

@willardmoore7685

3 жыл бұрын

@@11c86 just now seeing the video. Hope you guys get your wifi figured out soon. I would be happy to contribute to the cause. I have enjoyed working with and supporting farmers markets. Let me know how this year is going for you.

Brother, your videos have helped me tremendously! When I took over as a 911 Center Director, I was left with a HUGE problem... Antiquated technology and equipment. While I'm networking inclined, your detailed reviews have helped point me in the right direction and allowed me to do some very amazing things for our first responders! Thank you for all you do!

Don't stop what you are doing - excellent, as always

Chris, looks like great design options for the application. I'm working on something similar, so your video caught my attention and helps confirm my own thinking. Thanks.

Excellent video and planning Chris!

Excellent video Chris, thank you very much!

Great video. I use to be a Vol firefighter. Thanks for your videos

At last the setup/solution I've been searching so long for! Excellent! Thank you so much for your commitment! /Henrik from Sweden :)

Thank you so much for this work!

Great video love your work

Awesome video Chris!

I have a very similar system at my house, using a rocket M5 to shoot to my barn, pool area and detached garage. Has been working great for years, so much more reliable than power line networking was.

Hi Chris (and Bob!). One way to reduce costs a little further is to consider the Bullet radio. They’re around $100 for the AC version, and are available in dual or single band. While UI doesn’t make an antenna for it, there are several direct-connect (N-type) available for around $35. This is one of my FAVORITE Ubiquiti AirMax radios ever made. Small form factor, great performance, and with the new dual-band it’s even better.

Fantastic, thank you!!

Awesome video like always!

Hi Chris, I did Roskilde Festival sound stages for 10 years (some years ago), which is a 1 week music festival with a huge crowd (130.000), which is built up during three weeks, 4-6 days of music, and then pulled down afterwards. We had to provide rocksolid network for the soundstages (not the audience at the time) to allow for crowdcontrol equipment, sound measurement etc. I would pull some steelwires, and pull a cat6 cable via them, and let it work via POE, he has trees, it's a firedepartment so they have a way to go high, that would make it much cheaper, and he can use much cheaper ap's.

@CrosstalkSolutions

4 жыл бұрын

Good feedback - thanks!

@einfelder8262

4 жыл бұрын

Cat6 cable outdoors is a complete no-no. Against the law here in Aus. Ever heard of lightning? It loves outdoor wires like Cat6. It's the reason we have point to point wifi links....

@kennethfribert6074

4 жыл бұрын

@@einfelder8262 i see, well the trees are higher, and if its a situation it should be enough to run the wire to ground, og and the cable needs to be for outdoor use of course. But restrictions vary of course. We did rhis a lot in denmark, but that was also between steel towers

@simon-d-m

4 жыл бұрын

@Ein Felder: Honestly? Lightning??? Flown cables are an excellent, safe, cheap, reliable way of doing this sort of thing. I come from the broadcast industry, where we used flown cables a lot. We also keep stuff as simple as possible. For example, radio mics are convenient, but unless there is strict attention to operating frequencies, they can be as useful as housebricks, especially wherever there are a lot of small outfits operating independently. So use cables where you can, for reliability and simplicity, and in the case of networking, performance that's an order of magnitude or more better (does no harm!). RF interference is worse on 2.4 gHz, although you won't get the early warning signs I could actually hear with analogue radio mics. I remember way, way back that we even had fully tuneable receivers, and one of the first tasks on site was to go carefully through the band, and listen to check for potential problems, before selecting the frequencies to use for the day. And, as Chris pointed out in the video, trees in leaf block RF very well, even on much lower frequencies that WiFi uses...

@simon-d-m

4 жыл бұрын

And in the circumstances, I would expect at least one firetruck parked up on display. You would hope it has good radio kit, well filtered, and that the Ubiquity RF circuits also have really good filtering, as I expect fire dept transmitters are at least 10dB (power) higher output than any wireless LAN kit. If an inqiusitive child presses the 'talk' button...

Chris, If this same application had complete line of sight (no trees or buildings) would you have considered a pure unifi mesh implementation with M-pro on each building and UAP-AC-pro inside?

Usually, trees do not have leaves close to the ground, so if the antennae are located around 10-ish feet above the ground, there will be no issues. Then, you could omit the nanostations and the omnidirectional and can opt for unifi access points with wireless links configured. Just a thought...

Very good video. I think your solution is good. The only variable that I see missing is density. We are not sure how many people are going to be on grounds. Large numbers of people and devices can cause some interesting issues to work through. Other than that. Looks good!

Hello! First of all, gotta say I like your videos. Highly educational and not boring at all. Nice. Have you considered trying out an alternative firmware on for ex. a Nanostation 5AC (loco)? Those support OpenWRT too and I think that they could be used as such a festival guest wifi network on the cheap too. (turns out that the main radio is not some special sauce and can operate with AirMax disabled and the management radio can be used as a secondary dualband AP... But you will probably need to set up relayd or kmod-relay to get the main radio to connect to a network and bridge that to LAN...) Thank you, I'd really be looking forward for such a video!

Your videos are perfect!!! the info, the pricing and the layout work was so great to watch. the one question i have is instead of 150 watt switch could i use the dream machine pro.? i would like to add video capabilitys as well.

How are you powering the Nano station? Are you essentially powering it with eth1 and then another POE adapter for the outside for the mesh? I understand the pasthrough for the eth2.

Hi Chris, great video, I just have one thing that is not 100% clear for me. In this specific deployment why did you choose UAP-AC-M-PRO instead of UAP-AC-PRO?. I ask as there is not mesh topology achieve anyway. Thanks.

Question someone might be able to answer for me. On the left building setup with the Nanostation + UAP-AC-LR + UAP-M-Pro.... what is the power setup on those devices, specifically how is the Nanostation powered if both its ports are daisy chained to the other two devices?

Thanks Chris for great content / explanations. I have a client that has 2 physically separate networks, one for data and voice and the other for some very high bandwidth security cameras (lots of cameras). 3 buildings total. I already purchased 8 qty ubiquiti nanobeam gen2 (two for each station buildings, {for separate networks} 4qty for the access point building {2 qty set of 2 pointing at each station building}). I know sounds like overkill but with the number of cameras they need the bandwidth. The buildings are all within 6 acres so pretty close together, working off old nanostations right now. Ditching for fiber is not an option. I was wondering since they are all 5GHz devices do you think I would be better off with the new LiteAP AC GPS since it has GPS synchronization? I haven't installed the Nanobeams yet but money's no object so if you think the LiteAP AC GPS would perform better I'll shelve the nanobeams for another project. Thanks in advance.

Hi Chris, great presentation, is his antenna only for point to point antennas, or can regular wifi handset, phones,pads,and computer, connect as well and use it as outdoor wifi? Thanks!

I just did a 1000 ft test shot today to run a camera on a light pole with a lap-120 as the AP and a ns-5ac to provide network and power for the camera. It worked great and I didn't have any stutter in the video at all. Now I just need an electrician to set me up with an outlet for a permanent mount.

@CrosstalkSolutions

4 жыл бұрын

That LAP120 is a great access point - wouldn't work in this case, but I do use that one often.

@techguy3424

4 жыл бұрын

@@CrosstalkSolutions I sent you an email a little while ago regarding another deployment I'll be working on near a major airport. Hoping to use the LAP-120 in that project as well.

Thank you for this video. i have a question, can you limit the amount of megabits leaving the main antenna to each device, for example can you make the first device receives only 100 mgbs and the 2nd device 200 mgbs etc.

Hi, thank you for the really interesting and useful content! I was wondering if you know of a specific website for used ubiquiti equipment apart from ebay. thanks!

Chris, both the Rocket M2 and Nanostation M2 have a fast Ethernet port, so no gigabit. So in practice the maximum speed over 1 of these is 100Mbps.

@CrosstalkSolutions

4 жыл бұрын

Very good point - it would be the same at the NanoStation sides, so not that big a deal overall. 100Mbps is more than enough bandwidth for this application.

So in the left hand building, you have a Nanostation powering the AC-Lite via the secondary Ethernet Port and in your diagram, and you say that the AC Mesh looks is connected to the Main Ethernet port on the Nanostation, so how does the Nanostation get its power in order to power these devices?

Thanks for your interest video real it’s tech support

Are those "rocket" antennas active, I.e. with a head amp of some sort? if not, 10dB gain is implausible, to put it politely. And given the distribution is 2.4 gHz band, I would be keen on an RF survey to check for interference. The suggested solution is fun, but way more complex (and costly) than simply flying temporary cables to as many of the AP locations as you can.

In South Texas and just watched the a Festival video. I have 40 wooded acres and looking to set up security camera at the front gate, and WiFi at a couple of buildings. Looks like I would have a similar setup. How would I go about getting some help on the best equipment to use? Thanks.

I would pole mount a Mesh Pro on each of the three buildings. Wire a pair of small Mesh units to the switch in Building A as indoor access points/redundant mesh links. Add small Mesh units via wireless uplink for Buildings B, C, and vendor areas if needed. That would eliminate the dedicated P2P hardware and expensive PoE switch as the Mesh units include injectors.

@CrosstalkSolutions

4 жыл бұрын

PTMP is > mesh always.

@gtwannabe2

4 жыл бұрын

@@CrosstalkSolutions Agreed, but wired is > PTMP. If they ever decide to run wire between the buildings the mesh units can work as wired APs.

What about a 2.4 bullet omni for the ap? I work for a WISP with about 1k customers and we primarily use Ubiquiti equipment but we have never used one and would like your opinion on a bullet omni for small business deployments

The trouble with these is its hard to get to replace the rockets if they fail, as they can be high up on a mast, also if you want 2 omnis one for backup its hard to mount the second antenna without it getting in the way of the first and vise versa. The second could be underneath and offset from the mast by 30cm, however side by side 30 cm apart at same level my cause them to interfere with each other if both are used even on different channels, as the tx on one can overload the rx on other radio and visa versa.

To reduce cost. Is it a horrible idea to have basic er-x and 4xUAP Pro via 100m outdoor cat6 cables? Since its atmost a 100m radius from the main unit. Still well within poe spec.

If u run an WISP you need pre-configured spare rockets on hand, and a backup until you can replace, rocket, can be rather expensive, as you need a stack of gear and backups.

Thats my fav switch for that reason too.....I don't know why Ubiquiti got ride of them!!

I keep coming back to your videos even after 2 years later and the devices are no longer available it is still hopeful.

Do those devices really get good coverage for low power devices like cell phones? Say your like 300 feet away. How's signal? Got any videos on testing how far various cell phones will have good wifi coverage?

Does connecting the UAP-AC-M receive the internet as well from the secondary port.

Alfa 15 dBi omni antennas are around $75 if you shop around

You are using the secondary port of the Nano on building B to power up the AP LR, but then you mention to use Eth 1 of the Nano to provide network to the AP-Mesh-Pro.......How do you power up the Nano if you are using both ports to send power and network to other devices? Minute 16 ish Thanks for the videos.....they are great!

Bummer... Jackery Power Bar has been discontinued. Looked good. :-(

yoo this place is in my back yard lol ill have to go say hi

Question... Since such a small area, why not a Mesh network?

At what point would just hard wiring be the best option?

@techguy3424

4 жыл бұрын

Hard wiring is great, if you have the equipment needed to bury cable and it is feasible to do so. In a project I'm working on at the moment, it wouldn't be cost effective to dig a trench, because we'd have to get the city involved to go across the street and also we have asphalt that would have to be patched after the fact. Not only that, but there are four buildings and four overflow lots that we need to get to as well. That's a lot of digging, easier and cheaper to shoot a signal from the main building to our remote sites.

@BenKickert

4 жыл бұрын

@@techguy3424 I didn't get the impression this had to be a long term install.

@simon-d-m

4 жыл бұрын

Good and valid question.

@kennethfribert6074

4 жыл бұрын

I would say that if you have the towers or other tall objects that can be used, and the ability to put up a steelwire, and put cable on it (above trucks max height of course) there is nothing cheaper and more reliable. Actually, if you go for a short term setup, you don't even need outdoor certified cabling, it will handle the 3-4 weeks without any issues. Even without the steel cable, a UTP will sustain itself for several weeks (but then it is straight to the bin). The span for a steel cable, well, it depends on the equipment you have at hand, as the forces in a long steel cable a substantial, we've used 20-30 m steel cables without any special precautions and issues, even in heavy rain and rather high winds (we don't get crazy storms in the summer here in Denmark). We had a 50 m cable at one time, but that was set up with a lot of higher end equipment.

In Ubiquibi Prism, How many Station could be filled in that device?

Being that this video is 4 years old, is there anything you would change with all the new stuff that has came out? Is this video still relevant and still what you would recommend?

I have a small Ubiquiti network at home (USG, cloud key, small switch, and an AC Pro. I pay a lot for slow internet. About a half mile away, a friend has gigabit internet. Am I able to do a PTP with my equipment at my house but getting the internet from his house?

@nathandare3196

4 жыл бұрын

Alan Oldaker yes you absolutely can, only if you have Line of Sight to his house

Is there not a solution where the prism omni in the center could be used as a straight access point and have coverage throughout the grounds directly to clients?

@CrosstalkSolutions

4 жыл бұрын

No, not really. You could *try* a single powerful access point up on that roof, but I would be doubtful that it could cover all of the areas that need to be covered.

I would use fiber optic for this design instead of point to multipoint design. Fiber is more cheaper

I can't get the link to work that you were using in the video link.ui.com

Does anyone have a recommendation for a repacement to the Jackery Powerbar? It appears that it is now a discontinued product.

@PaulE4213

4 жыл бұрын

For powering Ubiquiti equipment, I have used a 12 volt to 24 volt DC-DC converter with a passive poe injector and a 12 volt 12AH sealed lead acid battery. I think that is more efficient than using any type of DC to AC inverter. You can use a higher or lower AH rated battery depending on run-time requirements.

@CrosstalkSolutions

4 жыл бұрын

RAVpower has a similar unit to the Jackery Powerbar.

That's crazy, i'd just buy direct burial Cat6, rent a trencher for a day and spend half that money and have a set up that was permanent.

@Zeric1

4 жыл бұрын

Considering this is rural Penn, I'm sure they know a half dozen people with a backhoe that would probably come over and do it for free. Also being rural, there is likely very little red tape to deal with. The only difference is I would suggest putting in conduit, more expensive but easy to upgrade and less likely to be damaged.

Please post a link to the rf omni sheild

Its a fire dept., dig a hole and run a wire ...

Why can't you just run Ethernet since it's temporary? Would be cheaper for sure.

@MactelecomNetworks

4 жыл бұрын

Alex Froehlich you would have to hang the Ethernet pretty high in the air for people not to trip on it

@alexfroehlich711

4 жыл бұрын

Mactelecom Networks why can’t you just gaff tape it down or something?

@alexfroehlich711

4 жыл бұрын

Just like they do at events. Have the plastic shielding around the cables so people can’t damage them

@MactelecomNetworks

4 жыл бұрын

Alex Froehlich I suppose it’s possible depends on the setting. This looks indoor outdoor. If someone were to trip and sue would cost more than the antennas. This setup new was only $1500 which for IT infrastructure is not a lot

@MactelecomNetworks

4 жыл бұрын

But you’re right you could do that just depends on the physical location and the distances the cable would have to run

I 100% dissagree with this entire setup...minus the switch Thats because all aps now have wireless mesh That means you could just buy a 5 pack of nano hd which would even be overkill for 780$ on amazon Put one inside at the feont of building a Put one on the roof of building a Put one inside building b One inside building c Have a spare So with the switxh, the 5 pack and some 48v power adapters feom uniquiti the total is $1100 and its way easier to configure, more durablex and less likely to have a part fail

@Klementoso

4 жыл бұрын

natalie sharpe mesh should be avoided at all costs. It’s a last resort solution. Even mesh with a dedicated wireless backhaul aren’t that great, and the nanohd don’t have that. I’m not saying there aren’t other choices that could’ve been made, but going mesh is absolutely no guaranteed success and most likely will perform quite poorly in this scenario.

@nataliesharpe7473

4 жыл бұрын

@@Klementoso all ubiquiti acess points now support wireless mesh. And as long as you have 60% or greater signal strngth daisy chaining one ap is perfectly okay. And for what theyre doing with credic card scanners even this would be over kill for a better price

Having done this professionally, I have several problems with this, though generally, all ok base info. This is mostly overkill and at least twice as expensive as it needs to be (and a long install time).There's also the reality that in a small area like this, the Nano's and Rocket are way overkill since the UAP line can all mesh from a central point and one could easily cover 1800 feet radius from a central point with just the UAP Mesh series and a CloudKey, so no need for the AirMAX devices (Nanostations and Rocket are overkill). Also, no mention of grounding or cabling recommendations. If it were professionally installed, add Ubiquiti ESD's at each Nano (and Rocket) and ground them properly (including grounding the mounting hardware the radios are mounted on) using Ubiquiti tough cable and Ubiquiti tough connectors. Any outside installs my company performs are properly terminated and grounded using Shielded Twisted Pair (STP) CAT5e cabling, grounded to building ground posts, as per proper NEC code (and Ubiquiti's recommendations.) Also, the cell sizes in the video are very small and there would be a large overlap in each access point's coverage area. No mention of channel use patterning, so if all access points are left on "auto" there will most likely be channel overlap and your overall signal (and throughput) will be lower than what you state would be achieved. Channel overlap, signal interference. front to back ratio, and too large cell sizes at each device-based AP (UAP models) would all drive down throughput, but generally this is a passable basic starting physical design. There is also the issue that the Nano's have only 100 Mbps ethernet ports, so do not expect each cell to have anything better than 100 Mbps HALF DUPLEX back to the Rocket. A "speedtest" at each cell would only get a 50Mbps "true" tcp/ip throughput value, so dividing that up among client devices will get dicey after about 10 to 20 smartphones, especially if "auto" is left as the option for each cell location (I'd guess after 15, streaming would start sucking.) Also, not tuning the radios of the UAPs (using Unifi Network Controller) features such as channel sizes of 20Mhz, band steering, minimum RSSI settings, 2G and 5G data rate controls, and traffic shaping (either using User Groups under Site Settings of the UNC, or directly on the Nanos) will also cause undesirable results as the use of the wifi network increases (meaning, more devices connecting to the network driving down performance and throughput). The Unifi Network Controller was left out (no CloudKey) so managing the UAPs would be impossible, and, the AirMAX devices would also be left unmanaged since they require UNMS, not Unifi. Again, the overall basic info for a physical environment is generally ok for a 1-day use, but too much left to chance in a professional setup where expectation of carrying a small festival is concerned.

I put my rocket up with the 13dbi omni and it failed 1 month later, completely dead no power, and came to life 2 weeks later like magic. because it's hard to get to the rockets i had to redesign the mounting and move the rockets down the mast 4meters so I can get to it for repairs. Need to run 4+m of low loss coax tails with lightning arrestors, u lose a few db. I also covered the antennas in plastic bird spikes as birds will sit on offset arm of lower antennas and block signals and shit on everything.

Hi Chris did I won the dream machine? 😂

I really don't think building B outside AP needs to be a pro. It looks as fairly small area, so AP-AC-M should be enough, plus, you'll get the ability to power it from that passthrough port, which make's cabling simplier. Also, if M5 family were to be more readily avaliable or cheaper when getting used APs, you could probably install the core AP for PTMP bridge on the edge of building A next to that road. There is not much visible from streetview in that area (mostly because the only place to look from is intersection to the north), but I think there might be clear line of sight. Important: Make sure to scan outside area for radars! I'm having trouble finding where to predefine DFS channels in UniFi! I don't know about US regulations, but here in Czech Republic, I have to run outside placed APs in mandatory DFS channel range. Make sure they know, whtether there is a radar, which they could interfere with! Have them set up this deployment ahead of time and monitor it for DFS requests! If observed, clear that DFS channel, because this could be costly! Better safe than sorry.

@CrosstalkSolutions

4 жыл бұрын

Good feedback - thanks!

How to get a cloud key to run Windows you can't because there is no windows software For The cloud key for what they should do they should make the cloud key software so can run in Windows because my computer is a Windows run-d system my computer runs on Windows 10. it Doesn't run on Linux at all and that's why my computer runs on Windows That's why I'm having a problem with my cloud key And getting it to run on Windows very hard With out Windows software If there was Windows software and that would make it easier for the cloud key to run on Windows instead of running it on Linux In the first place why they did not make it so the cloud key can run on Windows I don't understand why They did not Make it so you can run on Windows with out any problems in the problem is it does not run on Windows this is What I'm saying about Why that is

@nathandare3196

4 жыл бұрын

Damion Morley I believe you’re getting confused between what the Cloud Key and UniFi Controller is. The Cloud Key itself is just a piece of hardware which runs the UniFi Controller which you are speaking about, If you want the controller to run on windows I would suggest you download the UniFi Controller software for a Windows 10 machine. The only downside to this is when you turn off your machine the controller stops, Definitely learn Linux it’s in many ways better than Windows