That just gives me more confidence in .38 Special, which I have been carrying for over 40 years.

@willo7734

2 жыл бұрын

It’s a great round, especially +P.

@juanhuttoe4517

2 жыл бұрын

Seems like it always hangs in there. Yeah it's fairly low powered but still seems to always do the job.

Another great test. I never get tired of .38spl tests.

@GunSam

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you.

@DrAgan_tortojed

2 жыл бұрын

Adorable caliber. One of the best things ever emerged in the world of firearms. Whoever yanks about it "not being enough powerful for self defense" should consult the nearest shrink...

I've always wanted someone to do a test and review of the train + defend ammo. Thank you Sam for all of your work.

@GunSam

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

@steverussell6642

2 жыл бұрын

Same here

@DrAgan_tortojed

2 жыл бұрын

At least, you could rob a train (like Jesse James used to) with a handgun...

@guaporeturns9472

2 ай бұрын

@@DrAgan_tortojedAre you drunk or just stupid?

That .38 round makes sense for a snub or an older 4 inch revolver that might not be rated for Plus P. The biggest problem with a snub for most people is recoil management and then with the older revolvers you don't want to run too hot of ammo out of them. BTW - you are making those 75 yard shots look too easy. I don't think most people appreciate how hard it is to actually hit a target with a hand gun at that distance.

@sosuapimp8449

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Greg,how's Joe Friday doing?

@LionquestFitness

2 жыл бұрын

@@sosuapimp8449 Still around. I was planning on carrying it today.

This channel is becoming the best reference in Ballistics. Congratulations for your work. Still hoping for a Taurus Judge test, even that I already know you don't own one.

@willo7734

2 жыл бұрын

I’ve definitely learned a lot on this channel. There’s tons of great real-world knowledge based on testing. I’d rather trust my life to that than hearsay.

@ds6872

2 жыл бұрын

Hickok 45 and Paul Harrell have excellent judge videos

Been waiting for someone to test this ammo in 38 SPL. Great video.

@GunSam

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

Thx for testing this ammo. Need to get a box for my 38 and give them a try

That's some ok expansion on the .38, more than I expected at those velocities.

Great information and thanks for the video.

Another good ammo comparison video. Thanks for sharing and take care.

AS always great video! I really like the new format with the ballistic gel blocks and shooting at distance. Keep up the great work!

Another interesting video, thanks !

You have a pleasant voice that's easy to listen to. Thanks for the great vid.

Love your comparisons. So many folks💩💩 on the 38spc but your tests prove that it still works and with the wide variety of ammo choices out there you can pick and choose to get the best performance characteristics for your situation.👍

@GunSam

2 жыл бұрын

I love the .38 Special because the case capacity allows for many types of powders. You can stick with way less than 17,000 PSI and get the lead round nose load most people see as "38 Special", or you can do a good +P at 500 ft lbs energy, all within spec. Most people think what I just said was lying lol, but it's true, it's just there's no reason to load them like that when .357 Magnum revolvers are more available and common.

@la_old_salt2241

Жыл бұрын

@@GunSam Hey Sam, do you know if Barnes loads their all copper bullet for 38 Special? If so, I'd love to see how that does. Mixup98 did a little jell test with the Barnes 115gr 9mm with a G19 and a Sig 365 with very consistent performance. You may have done this already and I just haven't found it yet. But if not, that would be interesting to see.

I like your outro and the last frame being when that bologna landed on you shoulder. That was a funny video.

Thanks for the information and video.

Nice work. There was a lack of good information on this stuff. Thanks, Sam.

If all you had to your name was a old .38 Special from great grandpa that isn't a +P rated gun, that the standard pressure load used here would be the best choice for S/D.

Thanks for the video. Excellent.

Hey, I enjoyed that video. Always great info. I like the montage at the end, too.

@GunSam

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you.

I enjoy your videos a lot, very practical.

@GunSam

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you.

Likin that 38 round 👍😃✌️🇺🇸

Great work bro.

Good information and Damn good shooting

@GunSam

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you

Very nice test bud! 💯🇺🇸

Another great video, keep it up

Good test. Thanks.

Awesome video, thanks for your work. Would love to see these tests with the .45 acp train + protect.

Nice to find this older test that you did, as I just purchased one box of that 38 for testing in my tools and possible defensive use. I was looking for something that is standard pressure, have plenty of plus P.

Keep the videos coming!!!

Great shooting, very inspirational for a fellow snubby shooter. With the help of some of your previous tests, I've sort of adopted Remington 125 gr sjhp (38+p and 357) as my unofficial "train & defend" ammo. Keep up the good work!

@davehoward2791

Жыл бұрын

Same here, after watching Sam’s videos my train & defend ammo became Remington HTP 110 gr SJHP +P for my snubbies and 4” .38’s, and HTP 125 gr SJHP for my 2.5” and 6” .357 Magnums. Thanks for the great videos Sam! 👍

Gr8 video n info,ty

Appreciate the data.

No meat target ?? Seriously, I just found your channel ...instant "subscribe" The best blend of "the wound channel" and Paul Harrell. Great stuff

Nice👍I have a few boxes of the 9mm

Wow Sam! You shoot that J frame really well! You were hitting that silhouette with almost every shot, out to 50 yards. I hope that it's in your carry gun rotation... Semper Fi, TreeTop

@GunSam

2 жыл бұрын

I carry my .327, which I shoot better than the Taurus snub.

Cool video thanks.

Interesting, one of your S&W 9mm rounds appeared to keyhole at 75 yards. Nevertheless, you are really good with that gun. Great video; well worth watching.

Another great video bro!. Sitting here reloading some 300 Blk with Barnes Tac Txs.. And watching Sam at the same time... Oops is that a No No? Lol!

@GunSam

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks. As long as you load carefully I suppose.

Coming up to the best ballistic KZreadr

I like the snub nose

@ronkonig630

Жыл бұрын

me too

Impressive shooting, especially with the snubbie.

Glad to see this one, been wondering about that .38 ammo as it seems to be somewhat available. I believe I’ll order a couple boxes.

Another good video 🎥🎥 I carry the 45 but the 50 caliber did not expand for what we look for however there are gun owners who loved the 9mm but your test showed that they should consider carrying the 45 but hitting any Demon with any of those calibers used in this video would make a bad day for the Demon 👺

Thank you for the test of this ammo. I'm not impressed with it in either caliber. I'll stick to what I've been using. At least I can rule this stuff out for future purchases. Keep up the good work. Peace out--Word to Momma

@filianablanxart8305

2 жыл бұрын

Does it perform as well as Federal's Premium Defense/ Duty ammo ? Nope . Is it expected to ? Not really . The goal of this product line is to be as cheap as practice ammo , yet not suck as defensive ammo . Does it pull that off ? 9mm - Slightly better than FMJ , but not much better . Spend +/- $10 more for either 115gr WWB , or 50rd plain boxes of Fed 9BP . In .38spl ? Interesting ! If you are seeking std velocity on purpose ( either for non +P rated gun , or for reduced recoil for better control ) , it is a solid performer compared to other non +P choices , with bonus of 158 hitting closer to point of aim than lighter bullets .

Time travel! Those are just old school loads. The soft lead Remington 158 LHP was the best of the genre. The 9mm expands at +p+ velocity (1300 FPS) aka Illinois SHP load. Fun video and nice shooting!

@GunSam

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you.

I’m always excited when your video’s pop up. Some of the best testing on the web if not the best. I do miss the “jug or not” box but the gel test is probably more accurate. In some of your early videos you did some shooting with a Marlin.444 and a 460 magnum. I have both of these guns and would love to see some 460 tests and what you could come up with for some rifle testing. Thank you for the work you put in to this.

@GunSam

2 жыл бұрын

I found the jug testing to be getting harder and harder to do. I mean, a 4 bullet test is potentially 25 gallons of water. The only rifle I have other than .22 is 30-30.

@justinappling614

2 жыл бұрын

@@GunSam I really like your gel test. The jug box was just exclusively your’s and I thought it was inventive. I don’t blame you for switching, I think the results are more definitive and visually easier to evaluate for you and the viewer with the gel testing.

Thanks Sam. Great video! Very informative. I love the setting for this video-pretty countryside. What state do you live in?

I guess the best choice would be the .38spl out of a snubby in regards to those particular loadings. I really love the look of that 9mm M&P you got. I wish it was available in a rimmed cartridge configuration like a .357mag M1911 Coonan

@vlogfriendsutopia

11 ай бұрын

Could always get one and convert it to 357 Sig.

@crusiethmaximuss

11 ай бұрын

@@vlogfriendsutopia That's true

@vlogfriendsutopia

11 ай бұрын

@@crusiethmaximuss DEW IT

You noted in a prior video that the hollow points on semi-auto rounds are smaller because they have to feed with a ramp. That may have had an effect here. I wonder if the results would have been better with a segmented hollow point. That being said, the 38 special does impress as a home defense round.

@filianablanxart8305

2 жыл бұрын

Are there better performing 115gr 9mm ? Durn tooting ! Several of them from Federal . But keep in mind the context of this product line . This is priced to sell at price point of fmj practice ammo . The better performing * bullets * have more design features , and are more expensive to mfg .

Sick that's what I carry every day, I'm stoked to watch this as I have only shot target with it so far Edit, it's 357 and they're are train and protect sjhp

@GunSam

2 жыл бұрын

The .357 Mag would definitely do better. The SJHP are pretty standard across companies and would do about like this one: kzread.info/dash/bejne/iJ-Ml7WPlLerabA.html

I saw train & protect test through a ham with a bone and denim it did significant damage it in my opinion did amazingly well it didn't over penetrate at all and didn't break the bank I would carry it and do

I would not want to be in a gunfight with at 75yds. You and that m and p work very well together. Very impressive at all distances and at the speed you were shooting. I've always been curious about this type of ammo and for the guys that don't reload I think it could've should've might be a good idea. As of the Winchester defender failure I've been reading up on clear ballistics gel and what I've been seeing really makes me wonder if it is all its cracked up to be. I love the fact that you can watch the bullet and see what it is doing as its doing it. But the results from multiple channels makes me wonder. Thanks for another excellent video.and as always you make learning fun

looks like a good ammo for both applications

@filianablanxart8305

2 жыл бұрын

It definitely is in .38spl , comparing favorably to Non +P delibert defensive rounds . In 9mm , it's only marginal improvement over fmj .

The 9mm looks to me a lot like Federal's old 9BP load (115 gr JHP) which at the time (late '80s, until late '90s) was considered about the best standard pressure load available. My old dept issued those until they went first the Hornady Custom 147 gr XTPs and then we (young crazies that we were) later convinced TPTB to switch us to 9BPLE +P+. Gotta wonder how those old rounds would do and if they'd perform any better. Anyway, as usual, great video and very interesting test!

@GunSam

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks. Yeah I have no doubt that whatever this ammo is, is what they already had. Makes sense, with HST and even Hydrashok and Punch now making up the defensive ammo, they got to do something with those older bullets. I did happen to notice that with the 9mm (not the .38 though) that the primers were sealed, so that's a giveaway to being old school LE ammo.

@filianablanxart8305

2 жыл бұрын

No . 9BP is still around ( primarily in 50rd plain boxes @ gun shows ) , and it performs better than this , on par with most " modern " std vel 115 defensive ammo . Albeit it's priced about $10 more .

Watched this when it first aired. After watching it again and watching a lot of your other videos I'm thinking that 9mm is tumbling and that's why the damage pathe seems bigger than the 38

Has anyone ever told you that you sound like Dr. Ian Malcom on Jurassic Park: The Lost World? It’s like nostalgic cuz I used to watch that movie and make lists of equipment and guns I would use if I was on the island in that movie hahaha

@GunSam

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah probably like 6 people on youtube. What's funny is no one that knows me in person I have asked thinks I sound like that. Something about the video explanations I guess.

Very interesting to see the .38 snubby rounds hit the target at 75 yards...you can see them hit and fall to the ground...🙂

I can get a box of this in .38 special a cpl miles away for $36 and I'm pretty sure I'm gonna get a couple boxes to shoot out of my 605 Poly..........maybe keep as back up carry ammo. Seems like a pretty good deal.

One thing I haven't seen is you try the Remington Performance Wheelgun LSWCs. They're about 100fps slower, and I'm thinking lower recoil.

Ok on the 38 but I wouldn't use that 9mm ammo. That was some really good shooting at 75 yds. Thanks for the review 👍👍.

@GunSam

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks.

Nice test!!! When is the. 40 coming back out 👍🏻👍🏻

@GunSam

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks. I have some tests filmed, they just take some time before I publish.

Great test! I'm always suspicious of claims that something does it all when in reality it lousy at everything. This meets that expectation. You are better off investing the money buying a good round and just buy an extra box to train with....

@GunSam

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you.

@filianablanxart8305

2 жыл бұрын

That's true for this in 9mm . But the .38spl is very credible for a Non +P .

I tried to figure out the future bullet meaning for a while and gave up. Then, in the future, I saw it and I got it.

Sam- Is there 327 Fed magnum ball ammo? If not what's the closest brand to practice ammo? Btw, good content as usual.

@GunSam

2 жыл бұрын

Federal. They offer an 85 and 100 gr soft point. The 85 is a lower recoil option and matches the 85 gr Hydrashok near identically. The 100 gr is loaded hotter and more similar to 100 gr Gold Dot.

@TheCharlesAtoz

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks I appreciate it Sam.

I use the 9mm 115 grain.... Works very well.

I don’t know 🤷🏼‍♂️ why these Ammo companies keep loading weak sauce 38 Special. I trust Buffalo 🐃 Bore

The thing is: you compare apples to pears, that is, lead to copper. Tips on these 38s are much softer than the "noses" of these nines, so, right off the bat you get the "less penetration/more mushrooming vs vice versa"... Now, if that's what you wanted, OK, I get the point... Nice little pistol - Taurus G2C!

@GunSam

2 жыл бұрын

You pointed out the entire point of most 9mm VS .38 Special tests. Soft lead can't be reliably used in hollow point 9mm ammo.

@DrAgan_tortojed

2 жыл бұрын

@@GunSam True. But, you could have used FMJ in both calibers, as close as possible in terms of expected kinetic energy, just to see the difference in gel penetration.

That .38 load is not bad at all. + P isn't required desirable in every setting. I'm betting flash and report is probably less too.

Man that 38 snubnose... 200 ft-lbs does the job time and time again. In fact, it often looks like anything more is just wasted energy.

@GunSam

2 жыл бұрын

Wait till you see my LSWCHP .44 Mag test though lol. The block lifted, threw the initial 3" block back, knocked over my camera. Yeah, it was 750 ft lbs all stopping in block one.

@ryancawdor8083

2 жыл бұрын

@@GunSam Ohhh!! When?????

@GunSam

2 жыл бұрын

@@ryancawdor8083 I release videos Tuesday and Fridays, so probably one of those days next week.

Question: Where are you holding w/the 9MM or the .38 from 25 yards? Part of our LEOSA qualification is from 25 yards and I struggle w/my M&P 2.0 Compact. Thx in advance Sam.

Should done the wheel guns on sd single action

@GunSam

2 жыл бұрын

Why? I am more accurate in double action as most revolver guy are, going single action would throw my shots.

That .38 Special looks like a pretty good load for something standard pressure. Wouldn't be afraid carrying it in an older revolver. How did you find the recoil?

@nolanmuxworthy1973

2 жыл бұрын

That’s why my 78 year old grandpa shoots out a j frame so I would assume not to bad

@filianablanxart8305

2 жыл бұрын

The velocity is identical to Old School 158 RNL , so the recoil will be substantially similar . For the youngsters, than means mild from a 4 inch , and not terrible from J Frame .

You probably aren't a fan of 357sig but I'd love to see you test it against the venerable 357 mag

@montycasper4300

2 жыл бұрын

Lucky Gunner did a video that you may find interesting on 357 Sig. I was going to get a conversation for my SIG P320 until I saw it.

@todsnuffer9874

2 жыл бұрын

@@montycasper4300 there are other videos on 357sig that are complementary to the caliber. I would point to Paul Harrell. I carry 357sig in a P320 full size. But I also carry 9mm 357 magnum 45acp. All are viable for personal protection. The what's the point video, misses the point. In my opinion .

@montycasper4300

2 жыл бұрын

@@todsnuffer9874 Short version, ammo cost, pistol wear and performance that was on par with good quality +P 9mm. Basically that anything that hits 12" penetration in ballistic gel and expands reliability, is pretty much the same out of any handgun caliber. Their thesis being thar short of 2200 fps cavitation and hydraulic effect is a myth. So it's just poking holes, in which case it's are the holes deep enough and big enough.

@todsnuffer9874

2 жыл бұрын

@@montycasper4300 and that is why I asked for the video... I suggest you go to Paul Harrell's page and check out a few of the videos on 357sig. I think that data should be repeatable and verified

@montycasper4300

2 жыл бұрын

@@todsnuffer9874 I'm a subscriber of his too and I will, thanks for the heads up. To be honest I've gone the other way in recent years and stopped carrying semi autos and regressed to revolvers, all kinds of reasons, legal, comfort and pragmatism. Still shoot a 9mm better, but a work in progress.

I just learned about these because I found a website you can literally search ammo well really just a caliber and kind of what you're looking for kind of like Google but anyway why is there only one video on KZread that has the 45 version of this the guy doesn't okay job and explaining but not really I guess I'll just have to buy it myself and try it out

Isn't it how several year's ago we wouldn't trust a Taurus and now we would trust our lives with them. Congratulations to Taurus! Ruger Rich

@GunSam

2 жыл бұрын

I still have some issues with this Taurus revolver. I mean, after putting a S&W J-frame screw in the cylinder hold as the original fell out, it holds fine, but the main issue is the extractor rod basically will fall out if you don't manually tighten it every 10 rounds. Fine for testing, but I really wouldn't want to carry it.

@richardcolligon4277

2 жыл бұрын

@@GunSam thanks! I'll stick with my Ruger revolver's. I would love to get a couple of the Taurus raging Hunter's, I haven't heard of any problem's yet. I never buy anything new. I'll wait a few year's. Ruger Rich

I always believed that when you go budget, there's a compromise! rather disappointing but yet not surprising..

Cool video I just picked up a S&W model 49 it has the firing pin on the hammer what do you think of the firing pin on the hammer?

@danoneill2846

2 жыл бұрын

Ron Power has built S&W for over 30 yrs told me thay are the best , they also have better quality parts inside , REAL STEEL .. not mim

@danoneill2846

2 жыл бұрын

Are you talking a 22 auto ?? I didn't know ?? I thought is was a revolver .

@keithgregory7937

2 жыл бұрын

@@danoneill2846 Yes it's a 38 Special revolver

@GunSam

2 жыл бұрын

I mean, as far as I know it there hasn't been widespread issues with hammer mounted firing pins, but I do believe breaking one off goes from one in a million to 0 in a million with the frame mounted one.

@keithgregory7937

2 жыл бұрын

@@GunSam Thanks really like the old S&W Revolvers.

any plans on testing the Norma (wide expanding) "MHP" ?

@GunSam

2 жыл бұрын

Since you asked, I will give you access to it. kzread.info/dash/bejne/rGel2q-vp5fOgKQ.html

👍🙂

Wow.. that round really did better through the denim & stuff.. lol and terrible in plain gel

Using butcher's paper backing would tracking of rounds impacts.

You always mention barrel travel. I don't see how that's a relevant metric though. I mean, both need to fit a platform of given size. If one cartridge is significantly larger, that's as much a characteristic of the caliber as is pressure or case capacity. No need to compensate for that by giving one a larger system breech face to muzzle

I would like to see what other med bore , bullet will do as well @ 195 ft/ lbs ... we all know the answer to that !! I don't know the Ft / lbs on my home load shot shells , #6 shot with a full charge of unique . They may do more damage with the same ft/ lbs ... that is just a good guess . I don't know .

@GunSam

2 жыл бұрын

Off the top of my head, I can't think of what does well at 195 ft lbs, or at least I can't think of what you're thinking. If a soft and heavy enough .380 was made, it could rival this. I mean, like a 100 gr Silvertip at 940 FPS as it could expand a little and still have the momentum to penetrate. But, for whatever reason nearly all .380 loads at this velocity are 85 gr, and the 100 gr ones do like 800 FPS. And then ones with the right power are loaded with stuff like Golden Saber's, XTP's and other hard bullets. It's almost like all companies don't know what they are doing.

@danoneill2846

2 жыл бұрын

@@GunSam I don't know the Ft / lbs on the rounds listed , as we see with autos .. odd ball rounds don't tend to work well , you may have a single shot jam O matic ?? Vs a revolver . RE: Winchester , Silver tips have always been a Great choice for me ! > 10mm , some of your testing , 44 mag & 308 , 30-30 , As good as any & better than most .

@filianablanxart8305

2 жыл бұрын

I get what I think Dan O'Neill is trying to point out , ie this .38 load does creditable , despite the modest energy numbers , and implied comparison to .380 . But for Devil's Advocate , Remington still offers std velocity 110gr JHP , and from a 2 inch , the Ft Lbs should be right around 200 FtLb . Take away the medium bore qualifier , and look at Old School .44 Spl 246 RNL and 240 SWC . Real world chronograph from 4 inch gives 700 or a bit less will give close to 200 Ft lb . Likewise Old School .455 Webley with 265 gr at 600 fps .

@danoneill2846

2 жыл бұрын

@@filianablanxart8305 Yep the 110 gr is in the ball park the point is to expand easy . If not the SWC you list are as good or better than a H P the will not expand . The SWC HP soft lead in any cal will expand faster with less ft/lbs than just about any other bullet type . We are talking Low Power rounds & some rounds you would think would expand ... but don't .

Sam's next trick will be to shoot bullets out of the air.

@GunSam

2 жыл бұрын

I'm actually not good at all at hitting moving things. I miss every time with skeet.

@Fudmottin

2 жыл бұрын

@@GunSam Ah. Well perhaps if you start with slower moving things. :p

What would happen if you fill the hollow point with wax before you shoot it into the gel?

@357-swagnumultramagax9

2 жыл бұрын

I’m guessing the wax would melt because the bullet gets hot

The M&P is an accurate one.

I love revolvers but I love 9 mm more

@ronkonig630

Жыл бұрын

then get a 9mm revolver with moon clips, my rugerlcp is great.

You are a pretty good shot too! -Gunny T sends

Bump

As a HUGE advocate of the 9mm I still say the .38 Special has a very good track record. IF You want to see something interesting load .38 Wad cutters into a 4 inch barrel, then test for penetration. the 158 grain SWCHP+P is a VERY capable round! The .38 special is also a joy to reload. I still MUCH prefer a duty sized .38 (think a S&W model 10 or ANY 4 inch model).

The 9mm is superior to 38 and as you add distance or yardage 40-50-70 yards or more the 9mm round will be even more effective than 38 would be

...one of those you get what you pay for...

Pretty lousy ammo in 9mm but the .38spl did pretty good for standard pressure ammo. I wouldn't hesitate to carry in my 637 if I couldn't find +p short barrel Gold Dots or HSTs.

@GunSam

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah it does alright. The Buffalo Bore and Underwood 158 gr standard pressure does about 100 FPS more and very ideal for that type of load.

@filianablanxart8305

2 жыл бұрын

Well the BB and Underwood give velocities on the high end of mainstream +P . I'll take them at their word about pressures , but the Recoil will be same class as mainstream +P . This load will give the lower recoil of standard * Velocity * traditional rounds .

Odd how Federal got one caliber right and one so wrong. If your 5" 9mm velocity was not sufficient then the BHN has to be wrong. I have often thought that the lead BHN in FMJ is wrong.

Neither looked very impressive from what I saw. Better than fmj but not as good as most other "budget" jhp options either. I would consider the 38 because I have an older snub nose that I'm not sure can handle +P ammo and most defensive 38 is +P.

While I know FBI uses the denim, I wonder why? Typical bad guy has on a tee shirt with a hoodie.....maybe a leather jacket over a hoodie in colder temps.....

@GunSam

2 жыл бұрын

I think it gives the worst case scenario. So for me i'd rather be wrong in testing than wrong on the street, I mean I want the toughest test to be in ballistic testing.

@macriggland6526

2 жыл бұрын

I don't think the FBI goes after those guys.

@leonardrodgers5746

2 жыл бұрын

There are lots of tests. To answer questions: "will a hollow point clog with 'stuff' and how does 'stuff' change the expansion, penetration, path m etc." Like calibrated gel, the denim provides a repeatable standard for comparison.

Algorithm

To much emphasis place on bullet expansion. Double tap a target is more reliable.

Velocity kill...high velocity and penetration always better that's why rifles always better than hand guns.