Public charging is way too expensive. I'm waiting until April's consumer price cap drop to see if that nudges any of the big charging networks drop their prices in line with what we will get at home.

I just reviewed a long drive through France, which we do annually, and was staggered at the difference twelve months has made over there. There is a comprehensive network of powerful EV chargers (unlike here they are, seemingly, all connected and not waiting for power). Prices are around £0.50p.kWhr. As ever UK is slower (both charger speed and installation rate )and more expensive than elsewhere - we are the country of the rip-off.

@rogerstarkey5390

4 ай бұрын

With 161+ locations in the UK, you may find that Tesla is more geographically concentrated here than on the continent?

@mikadavies660

4 ай бұрын

Totally agree.... we are being ripped off left, right & centre!

@richardcorns8553

4 ай бұрын

Totally agree. We travel Europe every year in our ev. Last year we really noticed a massive growth in rapid charging hubs throughout France. Most services had charging hubs installed and clearly signed from the motorway before entering the services. Much cheaper to charge too.

@davidlewis4399

4 ай бұрын

Good you deserve to pay a fair price what with all the tax perks Milk Floats get.

@rogerphelps9939

4 ай бұрын

Who cares about Tesla?@@rogerstarkey5390

I always shop around for the cheapest charging option and will avoid expenses chargers unless absolutely no other option. Exactly the same as I would do for petrol or diesel. We holidayed last week and had pricing from 35p kWh to 79p. We used our EV the first half of the week with our caravan and were allowed to charge the EV via the caravan hook up and was included in the pitch fees. This allowed us to add around 30kWh to the car overnight. The second half of the week we chose to stay at a hotel in Cornwall and 100% one of the reasons we chose the hotel over others was the fact they offered free EV charging via 2 tesla destination chargers offering 22kw shared between two chargers. We topped off the battery from 10% to 80% on arrival and plugged in for a couple of hours each day to top off again. When charging completed I made sure to move the car from the charger to allow someone else the opportunity.

MG4 owner, 20k miles in never had a single issue at Tesla or MFG (well Tesla the only issue is the charge holsters - at least one holster is on the ground - almost every time I charge)

I can't understand why the government can't implement a price cap on these companies like they do on home electric prices.

I agree Instavolt is too expensive, but I visit North Norfolk and the new 8 bay chargers at Necton are an oasis in a charger desert 😂 so I pay.......

I just hope it's not becoming dearer and dearer

That was very interesting Dave, thank you. I keep my public charging to the minimum because of the crazy prices.

Thank you

Well done Dave 👍

I’ve always had good experiences at MFG - Manchester, London, Milton Keynes and Warrington. They also often have air and water machines too. And those forecourt shops tend to be well stocked and have a subway or other mini outlet.

Chargers are popping up everywhere in my town e.g. Starbucks. No use to me as charge at home at 7.5p a KWH. It makes me cringe using network chargers which cost nearly ten times more. There needs to be some sort of price war soon.

At the same time as opening new charge sites, Sainsbury is busy closing the in store cafes. I've started shopping at Lidl since our local Sainsbury cafe closed....

@Cardifftoyboy1

4 ай бұрын

Totally agree..For me a coffee and cake is part of the boreing weekly shop... For people with EV it is a must.

@stevenbarrett7648

4 ай бұрын

We started using Aldi as we both have O2 phones and they are on the Airtime Rewards App so every time we shop we get cash back, when it gets to £10 in cleared credit we use it to wipe our phone bills for the month !

@stevenbarrett7648

4 ай бұрын

We used Instavolt all the time but they began to price themselves out of our range so no longer our go-to plus once we bought the Tesla it was game over…so saying the bulk of our charging is at home off the solar battery / octopus overnight. Our recent trip Halifax to just outside Dover cost the princely sum of £2.00 to get there, had to charge at Dartford Tesla on the way back though !

@rogerstarkey5390

4 ай бұрын

I might suggest that with Sainsbury's opening the charge sites, it's an opportunity to OPEN food/ beverage services to cater for the 15-30 minute passing charge customers (or for another franchise to take the opportunity?)

@rogerstarkey5390

4 ай бұрын

​@@stevenbarrett7648 New Tesla installation at Medway (I assume the M2?) provides another option on that trip?

Morning dave

Dave, an excellent summary as always. One tip for users of the FastNed chargers, many vehicle models, including the MG4 EV can set up autocharge, like the Teslas, so you just plug in, and it charges. No cards, no apps needed. Just managed to configure mine up last week.

I love your idea of hunting around for the best price …..but the point is that most people use rapid chargers on a long trip and look for convenience rather than price, I certainly do. Because I do the vast majority of charging at home I look at the whole public charging network as a small inconvenience and price is just tied into the overall cost of my holiday/trip away so I’m not going to drive an extra 20-30 minutes to find a cheaper charger.

@rogerphelps9939

4 ай бұрын

When charging is ubiquitous you will definitely drived for 5 or 10 minutes for a better price, just like you used to do for petrol, and no silly subscriptions or apps needed either.

@keithdenton8386

4 ай бұрын

Your correct who the hell looks for the cheapest price on a road trip. Like petrol you fill up when you need to. At home you may look for the cheapest local price. With an EV it's at home.

@paramidge8935

4 ай бұрын

Nope, I plan with known petrol stations vs range on my regular long trips. If we all suck up the price gouging on ev, we will all end up paying more for good. Be discerning and the rip-off merchants will have to compete. Or bend over like good little consumers - take your pick people.@@keithdenton8386

@grahamjohnson4702

3 ай бұрын

@@rogerphelps9939 Never driven to find a better price as that is an inconvenience for me, just find out before journey where the supermarkets are nearest to a motorway exit/entrance are easy with Google.

I predict prices will go up. They are not putting in chargers to be nice. They are putting them in to make money.

@djtaylorutube

4 ай бұрын

Keith stop! That's twice now that I agree with you.😅

@user-rb2eo4sm9f

4 ай бұрын

Yes charging networks need to make money that’s how a business works but there is making a profit and greed. This will stifle EV uptake if prices do not come down.

Just charged my BYD Atto3 in Thailand at an expensive public fast charger 45.71 units paid by U/K credit card £8.71 we are 100% getting rip of in U/K

Come on Premier Inn....Extract the digit....Love Premier Inns and always try stay in them but if there is a hotel near with charging we will now always stay there....All hotels should now be offering charging at all locations.....McDonalds are showing everyone the way.... Looking for a charger I now just type McDonalds into the search. Nice one Dave.

@djtaylorutube

4 ай бұрын

I try but keep ending up at Travelodge and planning around Superchargers. I won't rely on a hotel having maybe one or two chargers and don't see the point paying some of the hotel prices at 3x cheapo Travelodge in the hope of maybe getting a charge at an also inflated price. Different if I'm on a trip, got a hotel booked in France for an overnight with Superchargers in the car park and an Airbnb in Switzerland with type 2 for an overnight charge, ready for the following day. 🙂

@paulscott1759

4 ай бұрын

Premier Inn York North West a charger at the gym next door quick and easy

@rogerphelps9939

4 ай бұрын

You mean you are at a Muckdonalds long enough to get more than 2kwh?

@Cardifftoyboy1

4 ай бұрын

I don't eat there Roger. My body is a temple. A cranky old temple but still a temple.@@rogerphelps9939

@timoliver8940

4 ай бұрын

My nearest Premier Inn has just installed 2 x 350kV chargers operated by Geniepoint at an unbelievable 85p/kW. Across the road from the hotel is a car park with 5 x 50kW and 10 x 22 and 7 kW units at less than half the price. I don’t understand the logic at PI to install ultra fast chargers for customers staying overnight - they would have been better putting in 10 x 7kW posts for overnight stays and making them free or even 35p/kW. I’ve never seen a car on the PI car park chargers and the Geniepoint single 150kW unit up the road at the local Morrisons is the same rip off price and again I’ve never seen a car on it.

Looks like my post regarding my local charge network - Charge My Street - wasn't welcome, as it's now disappeared just 15 minutes or so after I posted it....

@johnbaker5533

4 ай бұрын

Did you post a website link? If so youtube deletes them automatically

Hi Dave, thanks for these updates. They are a lot more relevant to me now my cheap Ionity charging deal has come to an end. Perhaps a table of all the rapid charging options showing the price at the end of your video could be very handy. This can highlight the good and the bad and hopefully shame the bad to improve........I live in hope.

Nice video Dave. As. A Chademo user, and there are lots of us.,you only mentioned them once in your video. But hey ,,,,it's good to see M.F.G chargers are sticking by us. Also Osprey are committed to supply Chademo plugs...Yes in the future this plug will fade out , but that's years away. Preserve is the way to go, I have visited Braintree, and their second hub at Norwich, both first class with help on hand if needed, I have not seen the new Gatwick hub. But the good news is a new hub is in the pipeline on the A127 commuter route at Basildon Essex . Which is planned later this year...

Thanks for your help Dave, your hints and tips have really helped on our first weekend venturing outside the north west. You are certainly right about shopping around. Coming south it was a Gridserve at Rugby services, no wait for us despite it being a busy lunchtime - it was an ouch for the cost though. Later in our weekend the visit to Warners Harry Potter experience saw a slow charge added over a number of hours for I think 43p a kWh. I attempted an anyone can use Tesla just outside Reading on our way home today, but thwarted by the site being flooded. That result ed in a stop at Banbury just of the M40 where I pulled into the Instavolt hub, remembering as I did you had said there were nearby free to all Tesla's at a cheaper rate. Saved myself about £20 I reckon, while we had food at a nearby outlet. So thanks, those tips do work. Now back home for our overnight top up back to 80% courtesy of our cheap rate provider Octopus. 👍

Sainsbury’s offering points and deals on a par with fossil fuel deals should be a starting point, also a price drop nearer to 50p kWh. Please please please

Are Sainsbury’s going to publish the dates when the chargers are going to be installed at Bamber Bridge & Heaton Park?

Sat at Tesla Supercharger near Disneyland Paris. I’ve driven from Merseyside in my CUPRA Born. I’ve signed up to the Tesla plan for the month and it’s been brilliant, most superchargers have been at auchan supermarkets and most I’ve paid is €0.34. If only I had a supercharger I could use off the m6 after Birmingham. Having to go via Banbury.

@davetakesiton

4 ай бұрын

Trentham Gardens, Stoke on Trent?

@nicholasdawson4562

2 ай бұрын

I’m about to take the plunge and get my first EV. I’ve looked at this and although non Tesla charging locations are limited (pretty good in Europe though) they are where I travel too and are well under half the price of other networks. Well worth the 10.99 a month subscription

Great update and amazing how many EV chargers are being installed or updated. Instavolt is definately the worst price and one reason for buying a Tesla and have full access to the cheaper options.

HI Dave, don't know if you are compiling a list of sites/chargers by CPO but would be interesting to see how that increases over the next couple of years. I wonder if historical data is available then Id be happy to start compiling a chart going forward..

I agree with Dave at present it's more important to get chargers out there than worry about the prices. Right now for 80-90% of EV drivers away from home charging is rare. Once theres 3-5x the number of chargers, and thats probably only 2-3 years away, natural competition will happen. I'm sure that ? Osprey? literally next to Tesla open to all at Banbury are not finding much take up.

We have a local mfg installation and use it sometimes when we forget to plug in. Our site has always been reliable, but I guess it will vary site to site.

If I was still up and down the motorway I’d certainly think about owing a Tesla but as I’m only driving local these days with only a couple of long trip a year I’ll keep my E2008 - But thanks Dave for all your hard work!

I’d like to see the canopies sporting solar panels!

I found EV point can even be as low as 0.55p through certain apps

I hope the price wars begin soon as you are never going to get most people to make the change to EVs whilst public charging is more expensive than petrol or diesel. (based on 40mpg / £1.40 litre and 3 miles /KWh)

@Joe-lb8qn

4 ай бұрын

Most people can charge at home . 70% roughly. So, therefore most people could switch without regard to public charging being as expensive as petrol because most people would do most of their charging at home since most people mostly do short journeys, 30 miles or less a day. So one overnight charge a week. Of the remainder most of those would go to a supermarket once a week which would enable them to fill up in half an hour at proces roughly comparable to petrol currently. This is aside why we allow anyone to pollute the air we breathe just because its cheaper. Smoky coal was banned despite it being cheaper than smokeless because it killed people in a very public way. ICE kills people but more insidiously so many dont a f. That will need dealing with in the same way that smokeless fuel was brought in though it will be less abrupt, generally by tighter and tighter emissions regs at least within cities. re your caculation, actual number, my car costs about 2.5p a mile. I make £1.40/40mpg 16p a mile.Im on a cheap rate, 9p overnight. If I was on standard rate elec then 3x that so 7.5p a mile. Stll 1/2 the price of petrol. But as above that shouldnt be the deciding factor.

@makestuffwork9205

4 ай бұрын

Yes we are privileged to have private off street parking and be able to charge on a cheap overnight tariff. Most people do not. The price comparison was for public charging. All valid points but joe public is generally selfish and you have appeal to the lowest common denominator of £ if you are going to get mass adoption, especially in this current economic climate. Until all these exciting new street charging technologies become available everywhere , public charging prices are one of the easiest ways to appeal to the masses.

@audriusa5368

4 ай бұрын

Totally agree. UK probably only country where run combustion car is cheaper than EV because of government taxation. For our family 60% city driving we charge at home, its ok. But situation changes when need to travel. So what a irony about UK going green while you need separate ICE car in family for travel longer distances. EV sales get down in UK this year to 11.6%.

@user-rb2eo4sm9f

4 ай бұрын

Is it not funny how say the low emission zones in London work. If the government was serious about reducing air pollution in cities just ban polluting cars and vans etc, but what happens is as long as you pay a fee anyone can drive a polluting vehicle in to a city so your health comes second to a money making exercise plain and simple

@Joe-lb8qn

4 ай бұрын

@@user-rb2eo4sm9f This is true though i do know people who are getting rid of non compliant vehicles because they don't want to be paying this every day.. However, if they were banned would they be able to force that through? Is this the best they can do? Theres enough fuss from people saying this is unfair blah blah now imagine they were told they cannot drive their vehicles at all and must sell it immediately?

EV point just recently opened on the M58 at Maghull unfortunately not had much success at charging there

France’s 2023 ccs cost averaged 38¢ kWh. 😖

you should go and visit the BP charger hub's in York - no petrol station in site, these are dedicated Hubs with a mixture of 7Kw park and ride chargers as well as 150Kw for rapid charge. Price is also good at 59p kWh

@rogerphelps9939

4 ай бұрын

That is the way ahead.

@mike.n.davies

4 ай бұрын

That price is set by the council though, as the "super hubs" at the Park and Ride car parks are managed by BP on behalf of YCC. I do agree its a good price, just not what BP would charge if left to their own devices.

5:15 amazing those fastned rapids don’t have any physical barrier to stop a car ramming into them.

@rogerphelps9939

4 ай бұрын

Neither do petrol pumps.

tyre pressures should be checked when tyres are cold, so doing so on a motorway services is not a good idea.

Applegreen is 72p per Kwh with the app, it showed that in the video

Sounds like the 79p rate is to pay for the installations and as they get them all in and running prices will fall.

Nice haircut, Dave

@davetakesiton

4 ай бұрын

It just keeps growing but now it feels colder

As a disabled person who is getting an EV on Motability, I would love you to do a review of how many charge points are accessible to disabled people (like in wheelchairs). To my knowledge there are no disabled bay ev chargers yet in the UK yet Motability is pushing EV car!! Try using the charge points whilst stuck in a wheekchair!!

@davetakesiton

2 ай бұрын

Yes Alan, We do regularly feature disabled access, recently at Walton summit the first Tesla supercharger we have visited which has a designated disabled access charger and at Southwaite where the Gridserve 360kW has noticeably wider bays and has no ramps or bumps and had the plug and card reader really low down. There are many others we have filmed and commented on.

@salan3

2 ай бұрын

@@davetakesiton Here in Cheshire it is a problem for many. But it would be good if you could say put a filter on these apps for disabled people so they know.

Hello mate

@gillscorner794

4 ай бұрын

Hello Mr Mawson, has the fox been back?

75p/kWh is still too expensive compared to home charging overnight for as little as 10p/kWh and 28p/kWh during the day. At that price it costs 25p/mile for an average EV doing 3miles/kWh. My ice car on the other hand costs less than 12p/mile @ 55/60mpg.

Good to hear that there are drive through charging bays suitable for trailers at the new Osprey location. It doesn’t have to be all bays, just one or two at each location. Can you imagine if people had to unhitch their trailers at petrol stations?!

@rogerphelps9939

4 ай бұрын

Indeed. Bays are a pretty silly idea. Never had bays for petrol and not needed for charging EVs.

The Applegreen at Newark on the A1 was offering 5p off using the app, better than nothing.

Fast charging in the UK is highway robbery :O The most expensive here in Norway now is like 53p/kWh. Most are closer to 46p/kWh. Tesla SuC are on average around 38p/kWh for non Tesla off-peak, but varies a lot 28-44p basically. They are actually more expensive than other CPOs nearby in some locations. My local SuC charge 44p, but another CPO next to it is 35p, and a third CPO with 3 locations in my area is 42p. These high prices makes no sense with so many more potential customers in the UK. But I guess with such prices there is less incentive to go EV so its the chicken and egg circle.

@davidlewis4399

4 ай бұрын

Club together with your clearly rich EV buddies and install your own I imagine the cost of a really fast charging point is over 100K. You lot spend nearly that on your motors anyway so not a big deal really. The charge points cost about 60K plus connecting to the grid so not sure what other free stuff you EV evangilists want us peasants to give you for free !!

@djtaylorutube

4 ай бұрын

It's because we have to convert low quality EU electricity into "approved for unicorns" exceptional British quality electricity.😅

@Gazer75

4 ай бұрын

@@davidlewis4399 I suggest you band together in the UK and get reduced rates. The EV association here in Norway put this out in the media and basically showed the overpriced charging. After a lot of media attention the prices did get reduced. Some of the price difference is due to lower electricity prices in Norway, but it can't be all that. No idea where this hate come from tbh. And why are you even watching if you don't care about EVs? I am not rich and I have no EV friends. Only one I know drive an EV :P I could just afford a used e-Golf. These fancy long range models that do 300 miles is not within my budget by far.

@audriusa5368

4 ай бұрын

20% UK government taxation helps (!) lol Go green, yay!...

@djtaylorutube

4 ай бұрын

@@audriusa5368 You forgot the part about the excise duty coupled to emissions where an EV will be £180 and a diesel £30. Go green! Indeed.

What do you base the prices coming down soon on? Because tesla chargers are cheaper?

All of the mfg chargers ive used have been great, alwyas worked and been fast .

14:00 Has Ionity sorted out the contactless card payment system. It didn’t work when we met at M65 Darwin services.

Every MFG i have used worked perfectly unlike Applegreen at Gretna Green. We need a lot more chargers pulled into IONITY at Carlisle, 12 chargers all full with Hyundai & Kia and three waiting all the Tesla chargers had metal fencing around them. We need more and more if we want people to take up EV adoption

On a road trip you top up when you can, you don't look for the cheapest price. Same as petrol. This is why motorways charge more for their petrol. At home you may look for the cheapest price. With an EV its at home.

@user-rb2eo4sm9f

4 ай бұрын

I just hope they keep charging in towns and cities at a reasonable price for people who are unable to charge at home or this is a potential stumbling block in the uptake of more EV ownership

Great news if you live in the U K very different in Northern Ireland or the Republic of Ireland only one Tesla site but only for Tesla in NI.Wake up charger suppliers

And Sainsbury holds £75. Too rich for me. My local store has multiple charges and you only see the occasional car on one.

I would love to see some good price drops on charging, as I cant charge at home. Alas I fear we are at least 18months off before prices start moving downwards in any meaningful way. They have to recoup expansion costs, then standing charges etc. There was an interesting interview with a charging operator on zapmaps channel. Basically it was we are building out for the demand expected in 2035 in the meantime the fixed costs are the same as they will be when the network is fully utilised. Also Id like to see far more help for disabled drivers using these chargers, we need an app where we can ask for help at manned charge points and some wider bays for when we do have to get out the car. Out of interest in your last video Dave you showed a map of chargers being installed, where does that map come from as ive searched high and low for it.

@djtaylorutube

4 ай бұрын

@millay2006 Do you have success getting petrol pump payment kiosk staff to come out and assist? I'd be surprised if they do because that wouldn't be their role, which is taking payments and then these days, there's always the underlying liability issues. How many places have attendants, do you have to locate them or ask in advance?Genuinely curious.

@rogerstarkey5390

4 ай бұрын

If their charges are still high in 18 months, Tesla will be eating their lunch while using the money to expand further. We've seen how that worked out with the vehicles? . A *Responsible* Government would be setting limits, and when a company couldn't meet the target suggesting that they either join forces with others, or reconsider their business model. Just btw, as far as I'm aware Tesla reports positive income on their charging network, so it *can* be done.

@djtaylorutube

4 ай бұрын

@@rogerstarkey5390 "Responsible government". I'm actually surprised that there aren't a few Tory donors bunging backhanders all over the place to leverage funds for charging infrastructure roll out. Mind you, if that did/does happen, I'm sure the criteria to meet the contract would be by some, not yet incorporated company, using a Pizza delivery company contact, there would be no requirement for the site to ever be connected and go live and contacts wouldn't include maintenance requirements or uptime SLA. If only there weren't already multiple examples of form to demonstrate the point.

@Millay2006

4 ай бұрын

@@djtaylorutube much success there is an app you can use to set it all up.

@Millay2006

4 ай бұрын

@@rogerstarkey5390 can't wait for Tesla to open their network up. It's gonna make a huge difference.

I was charging at Tesla banbury this week 42pence per kw. There was an Audio using the Ospray charger i had to go over to let them know they can use the Tesla chargers. He had not even looked at the cost. It was £25.00 pre autheriation and 79pence per kw.He was going to download the app.

@davetakesiton

4 ай бұрын

good for you, educate them, thanks

Dear Dave, i am from Germany going to visit England this summer. Your KZread Videos have been very useful for me but i still have a question. Is it possible to pay with my creditcard at all fastchargers >50kW or do i need the dedicated app of the charging provider? Is there one app which would work with most AC chargers? Thanks in advance Hans

@leejonesNPT

4 ай бұрын

Most chargers will work off a credit or debit card without an app, however Zap map also allows you to pay using their app at a bit of a discount

My nearest Sainsburys with a car park is only 23 miles away. It is not in a direction I would go for a longer journey and would use up 50% of my available usable charge if I were to charge there but it would still be interesting to see the installation. My nearest Tesla charger is also somewhere I want to visit though leaving home with 80% charge I would return with only just over 20% left should I be unable to use it (very unlikely). Planning journeys when there are stuff all chargers anywhere is not fun.

@johnbaker5533

4 ай бұрын

There are very few locations in England where you are that far away from any high speed chargers. You must very rural. I imagine the petrol stations are seldom too.

@rogerstarkey5390

4 ай бұрын

Well... With 161 Tesla locations (and rising fast) in the UK, You must be "out of the way". From your comment, you probably don't use Sainsbury's for shopping? That being the case, it's likely Tesco, Morrisons, (both mentioned by name) or Asda (part of the EG group, also mentioned) so you should have facilities already available or coming soon? Plus, of course, that's just the Supermarkets..... Soul ds like you need to talk to the local stores? . I'm sure you'll enlighten us regarding the exact location that makes your situation so difficult? (Do I sound cynical?) . As a field service tech (3 decades) I rarely drive more than about 160 miles in a day (the point is to be *on site* working, not on the road) so even a business case doesn't need fast charging near home. . The "smart" method is to do what you normally do with diesel, know (or look up) the locations on your work route and "fill up" during the day, normally as part of the lunchtime routine, or while doing routine tasks/ answering queries. . That actually makes charging *more* convenient, since it happens *while* you rest/ eat, not *before* you do so. . Maybe that's just me being "sensible"?

@Joe-lb8qn

4 ай бұрын

@@rogerstarkey5390 Yep, a colleague used to sit in his car and do email or calls for an hour while he charged. Of course not everyone can do that but the fact there may be edge cases doesnt mean that the vast majority cannot switch.

@rogerphelps9939

4 ай бұрын

Who cares about Tesla.@@rogerstarkey5390

Public charging rates are appalling.

@davidlewis4399

4 ай бұрын

Cost of buying an EV is appaling what is your point ?

@UKRenna

4 ай бұрын

@@davidlewis4399 My point is quite simple to grasp but as you are struggling I’ll explain. Simply the cost to charge at rapid chargers is set by some providers at such a high cost that I, and others simply won’t use them. That is a daft business model.

Hi Dave, any thoughts on when the Tesla V4 Superchargers at Exeter Moto might open up to non Tesla EV’s?

@rogerstarkey5390

4 ай бұрын

Just a thought, but with multiple "other brands" on site, maybe Tesla marked the location as low priority,? . Maybe pressure should be applied to make those brands more competitive *before* Tesla offers theirs? . ("Dear operator, you do know that unless you lower prices I (we) will be using Tesla and not coming back?")

@user-mp2bi2gj5w

4 ай бұрын

If Tesla opened up their V4’s on sites like these it would ‘encourage’ companies like Gridserve to be a little more competitive with their pricing.

Used Hopwood services Apple green last Saturday counted 28 Tesla 10 where open the rest are new installs non of the new installs seem to be V4 shame could of had 6 V4 opened to everybody.

@djtaylorutube

4 ай бұрын

When they open that up, halve the number of available stalls due to vehicles using two bays with the charge port on the wrong side of other awkward location.

We are due a decent energy price fall in the April price cap review of around 15%. Do you think this will translate to public charging prices going down by at least similar percentage? I really hope so, benefiting the people who can't charge at home and so help along the whole transition, can't see petrol getting cheaper OPEC don't want that!

@user-rb2eo4sm9f

4 ай бұрын

It would be nice but we live in uk, if energy prices fall the charging network providers will just see it as a way of making more profit and not drop the price. Needs to be heavily regulated. But look what happens with petrol and diesel, goes up straight away but reluctant to drop price.

@djtaylorutube

4 ай бұрын

I predict the cartel will all agree a 1p reduction.

Need to get the price per kwh much lower and pay by credit card..

@davidlewis4399

4 ай бұрын

Need to stop free RFL and tax perks on Lease Milkfloats really.

@rogerphelps9939

4 ай бұрын

Absolutely right. No silly accounts or apps.

even with a fire on i cant get to 68 degrees in my prius

@davetakesiton

4 ай бұрын

I'm not sure your 2kWh battery (somewhere around there) won't notice or mind

Why are Sainsbury's only offering 150kw? Are the faster chargers that much more expensive? Too fast and people won't pop in to shop but it's less attractive in the first place

@davidlewis4399

4 ай бұрын

The box cost around 60K each plus connection costs so yes they do so. Looking at around 300K per site to have 10 charge points and you could easily blow several million for no actual return. If I was a shareholder I wouldnt want to do it personally.

@rogerphelps9939

4 ай бұрын

It depends on the capacity of the grid connection. Also the expected time someone is going to be on t he premises. Two chargers at 150kw are likely to be a lot better than one at 300kw especially if it is being hogged.

@davetakesiton

4 ай бұрын

People need to learn. Most cars cannot charge even that fast so this is ideal balance between power and cost. Only if they were setting up as a national hub, then like Gridserve and Fastned, install 300kW+

@narrowboatlongpod4176

4 ай бұрын

Plenty fast enough to do your weekly shop or grab a cup of coffee and visit the facilities.

Dave I know Tesla have no superchargers on the Isle of Wight but we do have MER chargers in many car parks but you ignore us very upsetting to IOW watchers of your channel not a comprehensive guide I am afraid.

@rogerstarkey5390

4 ай бұрын

I'm certain that now Dave is aware you will get special consideration.....

@stephengowler5360

4 ай бұрын

Perhaps you could crowd fund the ferry?

@Joe-lb8qn

4 ай бұрын

LOL that one guy is expected to personally cover the entirety of the UK every month.

@brianwright9983

4 ай бұрын

@stephengowler5360 I'm sure he could google it or zapmap it but he was in the navy he could cadge a lift off of them lol

@brianwright9983

4 ай бұрын

​@Joe-lb8qn just looking for a mention on the price

It's logical petrol service stations don't have a post office, cinema or what ever other time sponge you need for EV filling. You are at a fuel station for less than 5 minutes.

@ingatestone100

4 ай бұрын

If you want to be at a petrol station for 5 minutes or less just put a £5.00 pounds worth in !

@audriusa5368

4 ай бұрын

I got kids for that 🤣

Who gets the maximum charge. Never have I got Maximum. Ever. Even the highest I get last only a few minutes before it drops quickly to below 150 then to 100 then to around 80. All talk about fast charging is to get people to think they are getting fast charging. I see lots of real world range tests, but only a few timed tests from 20 to 80. The ones I have seen there is only a few minutes difference between cars, but like a petrol car the time it takes to fill up a tank depends on how big the tank is.

@davetakesiton

4 ай бұрын

I’ve seen a Tesla model Y charging at 190kW 40% SOC and a Hyundai 220kW and mine at 141kW (150 max)

@audriusa5368

4 ай бұрын

Yeah its impossible, every car brand battery protection kick in, like WLTP in laboratory conditions, same charging is stated in laboratory conditions. about 80% drop: Audi e-tron got stable charging curve till end. But agree, 90% of car brands you should go after hits 80% Soc. I guess that silly miles per minute calculations coming to use heh.

@keithdenton8386

4 ай бұрын

QED max charge rate is stated at 210 @@davetakesiton

Memberships are just a bribe to keep custom. They don't do it for petrol so I expect gimmicks like this will soon go away. The future is simple contactless payment, the default method for most low value purchases nowadays.

@ingatestone100

4 ай бұрын

So what a Shell card for then or BP , and Tesco club card or even a Morrisons card?

@rogerphelps9939

4 ай бұрын

Far more than that. An account for each? Plainly nonsense when a credit or debit card or even Apple Pay or whatever will do.@@ingatestone100

lol. Too little too late. But I like the hub that keeps the idiots hidden away.

If you only have cash & no smartphone or laptop how can you charge your EV In all your charging videos I gave never seen you paying in cash.

@jumbo994

4 ай бұрын

You can't. None take cash.

@djtaylorutube

4 ай бұрын

If that's the case, get a Tesla, no cash or phone needed at a supercharger. A smartphone is still required to sell up the app and the payment method, I don't think that can be achieved without.

Elephant in the room - Depreciation Cost! E.g. Hertz disposal and second hand prices plummeting like a shot duck - we have to be either very rich or ultra dumb to support the milk floats.

@chrispenn715

4 ай бұрын

Which makes them a good secondhand buy at the moment....... EV and ICE depreciation has been all over the place for the past few years thanks to exceptional events - Covid and the Russian attack on Ukraine to name but two..... Depreciation rates could still be volatile in the future as the ICE vs EV shake out continues.

@Popdog76

4 ай бұрын

Leasing is cheaper and safer than buying....why buy a depreciating item that's a very old way of thinking

Hopwood services Solihull. Worth a look! Currently 16 Tesla chargers and adding another 19 which are soon to be finished. Plenty of other chargers by other services too. Well done Hopwood!!🎉