Father wants answers on how his son's remains ended up in Bester's prison cell
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A devastated father is seeking answers on how his son Katlego Bereng's remains ended up in Thabo Bester's prison cell in Mangaung. His charred remains were initially thought to be those of Bester who was declared dead in a duped suicide plot, which was the final step in his escape plan.
Newzroo Afrika's Linda Mnisi is in Tembisa and speaks to Mpholo's father, Mpho Mpholo.
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Nandipha is actually a very dangerous cunning criminal. Imagine all those times she was on Mac G podcast acting normal whilst killing people, abusing dead bodies & robing families of having a dignified burial. The deceased went through so much pain spiritually, next thing she'll start claiming to be insane yet she's a sadistic cold hearted evil woman. She must face the music individually for her crimes, the crimes she committed mustn't be mixed up with Thabo Bester she did by herself & mustn't blame him for what she did
@banyana6515
Жыл бұрын
Eish😢
@prewgeeq7416
Жыл бұрын
Yho wena don't even mention dangerous, she's beyond that... It's like a movie
@nomzamozondo8410
Жыл бұрын
She is evil.
@jp.dlamini
Жыл бұрын
And to think there are people who feel sorry for this demon.
@hagaramadtvhagaramad7576
Жыл бұрын
South Africa need to bring back death penalty. This is too much now .. evil 😈
Mnisi carried out this interview with so much respect and dignity. My heart goes out to Katlego's family and I pray they find closure. 💔
@khomotsophokanoka8533
Жыл бұрын
I keep on asking myself what I would have done 😢😮 iyooo
@nonhlanhlamhlanga777
Жыл бұрын
Agreed. His empathy is also evident. Excellent work. Keeping the family in my prayers🙏
@ruthmokori7001
Жыл бұрын
This is really heart breaking , no parent has to go through this, may God give this family strength and peace.
Stop voting fo ANC....dis government failed us
I support you my brother our government is failing us big time 😭😭😭😭
Pleased to hear he is going to sue! Sincere condolences to the family ❤
@Quadruple8888
Жыл бұрын
Absolutely!!!!!
@lesleybecker415
Жыл бұрын
Has to sue
@colourinmyrainbow
Жыл бұрын
@@lesleybecker415 using a hardcore lawyer!
@nelsonmadziva2995
Жыл бұрын
In as much as he suing remember that the claim is against the state not Nandipha's or Beaters personal estate. For how long shall taxpayers pay for negligence and criminal acts against by public officials.Its about time the system went for personal assets and impose prison sentences on these officials.
@colourinmyrainbow
Жыл бұрын
@@nelsonmadziva2995 I pray he gets a first class lawyer who will advise the 'best case scenario' for him and his family and offer his services pro bono. 🙏
This interviewer is so empathetic🥺
@zevlove612
Жыл бұрын
He almost sounds like Peter Ndoro
Thanks to the interviewer for sounding so empathetic, it helps
@Linda Mnisi, your interview is conducted with so much tenderness and caring. You were so gentle with this man who lost his son in the most horrendous way. May the family find solace and closure in this time. Sending love.
@juliamilford1979
Жыл бұрын
thanks, was going to say the same, he showed real compassion, excellent reporter/journalist
@florencemonama2953
Жыл бұрын
I concur with you sir-re Interviewer"s deameanur..so emphathetic!
@MirriamSofe-yj9pq
Жыл бұрын
Highly professional and full of humaneness.
So sorry for the family. Some people are just evil. Strength and peace for the family.
1. Autopsy says he died of blunt force trauma to the head, now the police are saying he collapsed. 2. How did they know that this could be the mother of the died body found in cell 35 ? Questions that need to be answered
@KimMarshall44
Жыл бұрын
Exactly... I'm here waiting with you. 🙇🏽♀️ with so many missing people in the country...??
@Journey_Of_A_Broken_Soul
Жыл бұрын
To answer question 2: I think they had already tried to test other people cz the mother said they did not explain to her why they needed her DNA or whose body were they testing against, I think they did not wanna give her false hope. Also with the second attempt of the DNA the first sample WA never lost, they wanted to confirm that's why they ran a second test. Also he's from Bloem I think it made sense to test peoplr who had "missing cases" around that area
@Kind20233
Жыл бұрын
And they failed to find her when he was admitted in the hospital.. smh
@bonganityandela3519
Жыл бұрын
...as person who reported a missing person I guess that's y they call the mother 🤷
@Journey_Of_A_Broken_Soul
Жыл бұрын
@@Kind20233 ongoing investigations....surely they'll find something
Bester, Nandipha must pay for this..they killed this kid.
@trustingnobody628
Жыл бұрын
What did they do regarding this matter? Update the country if you know. What did Nandipha and Bester do regarding this matter so far?
@Quadruple8888
Жыл бұрын
I’m sure the people who killed this boy are linked to the Thabo Bester case. Maybe friends he played soccer with or family members as we have seen how low Nandipha’s father would go for his family!!! So yes definitely can’t wait to see how this is ALL connected!!!!
@NabiiMercy
Жыл бұрын
I think Nandipah was given a body that was long not identified at the mortuary. And that happened most of the time when the deceased was not surrendered by a closed family. The truth will come out. May his soul rest in peace.
@sizakelengwenya25
Жыл бұрын
TB was in prison at that time...Dr Nandipha must pay for the blood of this brother of ours.. Witchcraft is the best.. Witch her and the next generation to come..Actually bewitch the whole clan..
💔💔💔💔Nandipha is an evil woman,the father broke my heart when he said he also died on Friday when he got the news,Nandipha does’ne even deserve those two daughters,I hope she is locked away forever and rots in jail.
@Brenda90210
Жыл бұрын
I feel sorry for her husband. No no no she must never be unsupervised with those girls of hers . She mixes with dangerous criminals and is one herself
Powerful message Tata you are a God fearing man. "Repent or suffer the wrath of God" The government officials and that correctional service must answer...how?why?who? then arrest the criminals. May Almighty God comfort you and your family.
The Autopsy report by the forensic pathologist concluded that the cause of death was blunt force trauma. So, it is clear that he was brutally murdered, PERIOD! Charge all these thugs involved and lock them up. Jeses, enough maahn!
@stellastar63
Жыл бұрын
The Golf guy😡G4S Murderers nxaaa!
This story of this young man is so devastating.I cried while listening .RIP Katlego.Both families may find peace💔💔💔💔
I can feel his pain
I wish they could have interviewed the mother...This man left the mother while she was two months pregnant and met his son when he was grown like they always do..Dead beat father I don't buy his tears.
@sinazomaqoko6028
Жыл бұрын
And the fact that he’s at the forefront of the suing, kodwa he was MIA? 🤔🙄
@ZodwaMkwanazi
Жыл бұрын
Are you sure he's a deadbeat? What will the mom say as the son was also with grandma ? Maybe the grandmother must be interviewed.
@zolamvelase9176
Жыл бұрын
@paleswamashabane3249 actually they have just uploaded mom and grandma...
@olipahkaluba9985
Жыл бұрын
Thankyou 🙌🙌🙌🙌men can be cruel you don't need money to look for your child, i found him in 2018 shame 😌😌 but you had money to marry 😌 okay sir
@zolamvelase9176
Жыл бұрын
@@olipahkaluba9985 😅😅😅
This is a good interview, it highlights the life of a man whose body was used by callous people to cheat justice, as if he was nothing. As we can see, this man was a father, a son, he had friends. This was a terrible crime. Those involved must pay the price.
What a gentleman may the Lord heal him and his family 🙏🏼❤️
I pray he sues the living hell out of them. What a disgrace honestly!!!
@karengreen7436
Жыл бұрын
100% justice must prevail
My heart bleeds for this father and his family. To lose a child must be painful but with these added circumstances - this is so tragic, unnecessary and painful
I agree 100% that our government has repeatedly failed us South Africans! May justice prevail and restore integrity to our country!
@mosad7292
Жыл бұрын
How Is this the fault of the state? Don't be ridiculous...its because of those 2.criminals.
Absolute tragedy - and this must be laid at the feet of the ANC 100%. My heart goes out to this man - I have two sons, I couldn't imagine his pain. I'm so sorry 😔😢
@khaltsharivist365
Жыл бұрын
The British company 4GS & its executives that run the facility have no culpability they go scot free & continue to milk the tax payer? Make that make sense.
@kingpk4429
Жыл бұрын
Corruption is our biggest enemy and ANC is OK with it because it works for them.
@pontshomosiea6187
Жыл бұрын
This organization is evil,look what happened in Life Esidimeni, Marikana and all the looting of public resources without any consequences.
@sonofsoweto
Жыл бұрын
@@khaltsharivist365 who gave them the contracts? Who did they pay to get the contracts?
@choosenassiey6445
Жыл бұрын
Just imagine the pain that these Parents go to iknow it v well where you find your son being kidnapped and found him decomposed thrown in the river by ppl they know u v well but even today am still waiting for justice to be served the criminals are walking free like they didnt do any thing rong our kinds are find tjemselves dying like criminals then the criminals are the ones who get s justice n being protected by our Gorv by waiting for these 205 yet ppl they knew them v well found them being released in courts saying evidence not enuf the person that needs to be sued here its a state they kill us alive as victims
My heart goes out to you DAD. Stay strong stay BLESSED. GOD has a plan for everything. Stay strong.It's very very sad.
So sorry for your loss Sir. I have a son and could it imagine if he had to go missing and have a sad ending like this. God be with you and your family. Someone needs to pay for this.
Dr Nandipha and Thabo Bester must rot in jail.
@nele6947
Жыл бұрын
Also in hell
This is a worst nightmare for every parent.
I felt this father's pain. He reminds me of my friend who died of natural causes a few years ago. At his Home Going Service, his father said: 'In times of peace, it is normal for fathers to die before their sons. In times of war, it is normal (acceptable) for sons to die before their fathers.' Then he concluded with this statement: ' But ladies and gentlemen, we live in a time of peace and my son Norman, died before me'.😢
@thandilengwenya1297
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing, those words carry soooo much weight, they hit the deepest core of my Spirit 😮
@Bruingebak
Жыл бұрын
@@thandilengwenya1297 You're welcome
@busisiwehlophe3422
Жыл бұрын
There is a spiritual warfare that we are fighting on this earth
@alicemabreaden1960
Жыл бұрын
This is unfair & uncalled for, for this innocent family. Why their child to be a scape goat. A child is a gift from God & an investment to the parent. The law should definately take its course.
The interviewer’s voice is so soothing
Wow. What a sad story. I don't know whether to call this an end or the beginning of a painful story for this family. Condolences to the family. So sorry for this tragedy.
Crime has become normalised in South Africa. You can't trust anyone anymore , from a Pastor to a President, from a doctor to a care giver, from a policeman to a security guard, from a local to a foreigner . There's always a potential criminal lurking around in the shadows. Waiting to pounce at any moment😢😬😮😎
@luvuyodada830
Жыл бұрын
We can't trust Ministers as well. What if they're also involved here!
😢This is heartbreaking 💔 😢 May God Strengthen this father
I just cried listening to the father saying body was the one burnt in that prison cell. There is no fear of GOD and the respect to human beings at all oh GOD help us, we pray.
Dad my deepest sympathy dad these are wicked people that bured his body
Oh! what a handsome boy to die like an animal under cruel monsters Thabo and Nandipha
Jho this interview just brought tears to my eyes...I will keep you and you family in my prayers
Your family is special dear man. My heart is with you . Don’t ever believe that you don’t deserve this treatment. It’s inhumane
Its so painful to lose a son in such a mysterious manner, my heart goes to the family. The most touching statement is when the father wishes the culprits to repent and seek God for forgiveness. May the LORD wipe the tears from the family's eyes and grant them grace to go ahead with life.
Respect for this father and family in the dignified way they handle their grief. So sorry for your lost.
I am in tears for this family...so much evil ...
May God strengthen them during this time and condolences for their loss. What Thabo Bester, Nandipha and their accomplices did to this family is so cruel and devastating, imagine having to go and identify a burnt body that was kept for almost a year. This is really heartbreaking and sad 😭😭💔💔
@trishmncube3384
Жыл бұрын
Very heart breaking indeed… however the question we must ask is why was the body kept for almost a year in the same city… same police station where the family reported Katlego missing… same mortuary they checked… ?and what makes my blood boil is that Katlego’s body was discovered also almost a year ago burnt in a prison cell and they knew the body was not that of Thabo Bester… and the police were alerted … yet they never thought to call all the families including Katlego’s who had filed a missing persons report? Was this maybe a cover up so that we never find out that they had let Bester out… surely the arm of Bester’s money was too long and big to silence a whole police station and prison. The real culprits who must pay for this are the officials who kept this whole saga and tormented this family for a whole year everyday wondering whatever happened to their son yet he was there in the same city with them hidden to cover Nandipha, Bester and the officials crimes…#Justice for Katlego
So sorry that you and your family were victims of these bad people and especially your son who paid the sacrifice with his life for these crazy people's doings. May God comfort you all.
This world is full of evil human beings. The whole year the guy has been missing only to find he was used as a decoy for TB’s exit from prison. It’s truly sad and heartbreaking
@thokozilekene4890
Жыл бұрын
Sounds like a movie this whole thing it's so evil
@ThomasChitambira
Жыл бұрын
You can say that again, we have demons disguised as humans amongst us!!!
@busisiwehlophe3422
Жыл бұрын
I have a brother that has been missing for 3years,he might be one of the bodies Nandipha claimed or some wealthy person claimed nje,m really heart broken
@user-eb7px2ex2q
Жыл бұрын
People are so evil😢😢😢😢😢
Lord,heal South Africa 😢
Linda Mnisi,thankyou so much for a very dignified interview🙏 May Katlego rest in peace🙏 Condolences to Kaltego's dad,mom,granny and the rest of the family...this is sooo painful.Please GOD help us😪💔💔🙏
It's crazy how this prison escape creates a chain that links to other crimes as it unfolds...I'm speechless
Condolences to the family. 💔Always ask my self that ,that person they burnt in prison , its someone's child , how would the parents feel after they discover that Bester and Nandipa used their child for their selfish reasons. The weaked will never go unpunished. Nandipa is a cold hearted wicked woman.
I don't think the family will ever heal from this..I can't Even begin to imagine how his mother is feeling .. and what might be going thru her mind as this point .. may God give this family strength 🙏🏾
"Look for him , when I am ready " 😢
@mapasekapercevirience1296
Жыл бұрын
I heard that and I was like wtf is this man saying
@NokulungaMahlati
Жыл бұрын
@@mapasekapercevirience1296 bra
My heart goes out to this father and the family😢😢😢
this got me having goosebumps !! and i have ran out of yoooooooooooh's shame , THIS IS SO DISHEARTENING NKOSIYAMI 😢😢😢😢😢
God bless the soul of this journalist. So much emphaty in his soothing voice. Also allowing the father to reflect and mourn his son thru asking questions about how his son was like. This has given the cold blooded people who are feeliing sorry for the evil Nandipha and her wicked father an idea that the body she violated was someones father, son, friend and brother and had a destiny that was ruthlessly cut short by man-made tragedy.
@llewellyndutoit1923
Жыл бұрын
Couldn't have said it better..
IM glad you know GOD Papa that was GOD who keep your sons body not to be cremated. May GOD keep you& family strong .Sue the government correctional services &sap then you take care of your 2 grandchildren. You seem so learned and calm not forgetting your dignity. Keep on loving GOD have those conversations with HIM .❤
I'm so sorry for the loss of your son.😢 All the people who are responsible for the death of this young man should be held responsible. I pray that no stone will be left unturned. May God give your family strength and peace in this difficult time. RIP Katlego🤍🛐
In God's name,the "body," has a name katlego ❤️ success 🙌 🙏
Yho Nandipha and his family are more cruel evil than the devil himself 😢
😢😢😢😢😢😢Oh Lord please be with this young man's family and friends!!! It feels like my heart wants to jump out of my chest!! How can any living human being do something so cruel!!!? No No No!!! Please😢😢😢😢
Amen papa. To your message to Thabo and Nandi. May God heal you and your family.
So sorry!may the Lord comfort you and the entire family.
@recatoeberwein1477
Жыл бұрын
Wena of there was truly a mlungu god this would not have happened,
My heartfelt condolences to u and your family..wonder how nandipha's father feels when he is watching this and to all those who were feeling sorry 4 nandipha's father when he was in court didn't u think that the father of the deceased also loves him ...
@Quadruple8888
Жыл бұрын
Well said!!!! No time to feel sorry for the evil Everyone belongs to someone and are loved 🥰
Condolences to the family. it's like a horror movie unfolding. No wonder Thabo's net wealth is in billions. Where doctors and top security companies are involved, there could be organ harvesting and human trafficking money heists. How does a bullion under 24 hours surveillance happen. What takes place in the control rooms of this so called security company with the tender with billions of rands to man prisons as well. Horrible
@highcrimeinsa4129
Жыл бұрын
G4S should be charged millions
Viva ANC viva ..you have truly done your party an voters proud! Just look where the countries gotten to in just 30 years under your leadership My heart goes out to this family😢
Very heart breaking💔💔😭😭, you think is far from you bust is just here. One word: CORRUPTION!!!
Sorry to hear all this... may God heal yours and the families pain and the culprit be bought to book...may your son RIP in the Arms of Jesus 🙏🙏🙏🙏
May God grant this family peace and take their hurt away...we are praying for them.. !
My heart goes out to this family. We are living in an evil world in evil times.
This is so heart breaking 💔😢 to think that this is just the surface of more dirt to be uncovered is scary 😳 how two people can affect so many families is beyond me 😞😭
😭💔 My deepest condolences to the family. Jehovah utsembekile konkhe lokwenteka ebumnyameni kuyovela ebaleni... RIP Bhuti....
hmmm!!! The Nandi and Bester effect keeps on giving. This is so so sad
I'm just glad that this father is of a sound mind 🙏
I agree. Mnisi had so much empathy I started crying the a journalist could have so much empathy 😢.
South Africa just pray for this female.. humble man my God comfort you female and you children
This interview also helps him, thanks so much, Shame I hate to see men cry really wish I can give him a hug... And I don't even wish to see the mother, tjoe Hai people are cruel..
Things that people do for fake money, that is printed, is beyond me. There is no amount of money you can pay me for my piece of mind. I don't how these people sleep at night.
Well done to Linda Mnisi for how he carried out this interview! There couldn’t have been any journalist who could have this better than he did. At some point I felt like his own voice was shaky as he witnessed Ntate Mpholo cry.
What an example of forgiveness and a kind heart, it's hard when your loved ones are being stolen from you trough crimes people choose to commit, as a family we also fell victim to loosing the head of our family. The pain we felt was unbearable and the void is there forever, but forgiveness brings healing. May God be with you and your family. May you be blessed to show God's love in your life even trough this painful time! We, feel your and your families pain and we mourn with you.
@mre.smataruka4928
Жыл бұрын
May your family find healing. 🙏💐
You said it all Ntate,my heart is sore,may his soul rest in peace.
What worries me is how many inmates has escaped in the same manner and pulled through omg our country is a crime scene straight
@Kat00133
Жыл бұрын
Prisons are run by inmates. 28s. They have control in and outside our prisons.
My sincere condolences to you and family Sir. I couldn't hold my tears. May justice prevails. RIP Katlego. God knows
Mnisi did fantastic interview. Well done. Condolences to father and family. Please get all involved with his passing', since day 1 also about corpse. What the report said when they collected the corpse at the morg.?
That sigh that goes with that "yah" at 19:12....I felt that. 😥
For me I'm really worried about the upbringing of kids in Black communities. The dumping of babies with magogos is now a culture. Look at both Thabo and Kaglego, never had mother and father love, never even knew them. RIP young man and condolences to the family. To people crucifiying and judging this man, please stop, this are problems which needs to be solved from the roots, we all somehow find ourselves in such situations due to our upbringing.
@mothlathlegolegote1066
Жыл бұрын
Mfanaka. The bottom line is women are given all the parenting power to such an extend that they decide where and who can raise the child. personally i don't like the idea of grannies raising my kids but yet I'm subjected to it. Sad reality
@thatotlhowe
Жыл бұрын
Your statement is rather more damaging to family members who might come here to watch this interview, you cannot put Katlego and Thabo situation in one sentence. Katlego had a PRESENT dad, turned out to be a great dad and lover, had a cycle of genuine friends. I saw his post on Facebook wishing his dad a birthday or Father's day. Him living with grandma doesn't mean they abandoned him, grandparents love their grandchildren so much that they sometimes take them while parents are working.
@ZodwaMkwanazi
Жыл бұрын
We don't dump our kids 😮😮 it's remember there's unemployment. Others work as domestic workers, do you expect them to stay with their kids and madams kids. We still have a long way to go to catch up with other races. So as a black person I'd rather leave my child with my parents if I find employment.
@mfanakababa5771
Жыл бұрын
@@thatotlhowe That's why I said let's not judge the father, please learn to read with understanding. Bottom line and sad truth, both men somehow have same upbringing, it's a coincidental truth, we can't run away from. Anyways you entitled to your opinions, same with me. So let's pray for the family.
@mfanakababa5771
Жыл бұрын
@@ZodwaMkwanazi maybe dump was a bit harsh for you. If you read my post to the end you will see the beauty in my heart. We all find ourselves in such situations and something needs to be done.
This is so moving. Condolences to you and family.
The fact that Nandipha wanted to cremate the body belonging to this family is wild🚮🚮🚮
@mmathemak7078
Жыл бұрын
On top of burning it before that
Sir our deepest condolences to you and your family. May God carry you during this traumatic time. “Cry the beloved country”.
Thumbs up to the news reporter ❤his so respectful love this 💕
This case is complicated Case of a missing person was opened and how did they find out the missing person is linked with the body from the cell,and the mortuary didnt realise that when they were looking for Katlego with the photo failed to recognise him?
So devastating. May this family be healed. Heads MUST roll!!!
May your son rest in peace and you, find strength to carry on.
Greetings from North London UK 🇬🇧. Ntante le mama wa late katlekgo we are praying for you pls be strong not for us but for your son as you pray and we pray so that your son will get justice 😢. We want you to get justice. It's not an easy thing to Bury your own son!❤😢😢😢❤❤
I dont think he has been a good father to Katlego. Let's acknowledge a couple of uncomfortable truths, you can not be worried by your son's whereabouts after Months and weeks missing
@zevlove612
Жыл бұрын
Its not unusual for adult kids to go a few weeks without checking in… not all kids speak to parents daily
@leratosweetness382
Жыл бұрын
And apart from him missing for months I couldn't help it but to realize that he said he left the mother when she was 2 months pregnant, then told himself he will go back when he is done with school and started working and only went there in 2018, by that time he was already married and had other kids so he had money to marry and maintain other kids while Katlego is out there. Meaning the mother was not struggling since she conceived the baby. I am not judging nor trying to be insensitive though. Deepest condolences to the Family may God mend their broken hearts and may the Holy Spirit give them comfort🙏♥
@maropengalfina
Жыл бұрын
I am an adult nd i cn go a month without tlking to my family its normal to sne of us
@kabelonape9520
Жыл бұрын
@@maropengalfina that's not normal my friend. You must be as close asyou can with your parents in this country. Don't be a fool. The only honest relationship you can have is with them
@phumzilemailula1363
Жыл бұрын
That's not a fair assessment. Katlego was 32years old and we don't know any details about his upbringing. Many men move to Gauteng looking for employment and remain there for various reasons. He kept up on social media on his son's whereabouts.
GOD will help u indeed its His nature! Man always fail us but God will never forsake us.May God help you!
Oh the pain in this Father’s voice💔💔😭😭..the very least Nandipha and Thabo can do for this family is tell them the truth, if this family was searching mortuaries while he was missing and he was not there, it is clear that a lot of foul play happened for this poor man to find himself being used in this heinous and cruel crime☹️☹️☹️
@sqrd3536
Жыл бұрын
Nandipha blowing kisses in court no signs of remorse. I don't expect her to acknowledge and apologise. Bester thinks the world owes him a good spongy life at the expense of other lives.
@blinkym21
Жыл бұрын
@@sqrd3536 true and sadly its looking like they have all the authorities eating out of the palm of their hands😏☹️.
@dannym7593
Жыл бұрын
Nandipha needs to tell us where she got the body from and how. I can't believe this woman was preying on innocent people.
@chantaldasilva8231
Жыл бұрын
@@sqrd3536both despicable vile humans.
@acoet3496
Жыл бұрын
...and it was reported to police a year ago! They never came in touch with families for a year?? Can we trace the Sap records and of follow-ups IF ANY was done??
Such a sad and terrifying story. May God provide much strength and light to the family
God give the strength humble father
Thank God my brother that you have relationship with Papa God
This is shocking 🤯
G4S should be sued and fined millions of rands for this crime... it's painful
Pure evil. How do loved ones survive with this hurt?
How can we do this to each other. Father and mother stay strong find truth. 😢