Fatal Beauty Trends From the Victorian Era
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The Victorian Era lasted throughout most of the 1800s. This period of time was known for its technological advancements and for its increased social mobility. And with that came new beauty trends that spread from Britain to the United States by word of mouth and publications aimed at women - some beauty trends that would never happen in today's world.
Not all of these trends were good - many of them had deadly consequences.
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I'm sure that 100 years from now, when people look back at what we put into and on our bodies they will be horrified!
@alexispennings380
10 ай бұрын
Yup- love the comments like “I can’t believe people didn’t know how bad that was for them!” Uhhh, there’s gonna be tons of stuff discovered in 50 years that’s awful for us that we do now.
@giraffesinc.2193
10 ай бұрын
A lot of things we do now will be seen as idiotic!
@HorseShow5
10 ай бұрын
@@giraffesinc.2193 A lot of things already are. Ever seen those "coca cola removing rust" videos? Yeah.
@giraffesinc.2193
10 ай бұрын
@@HorseShow5 👀
@jalapeno1119
10 ай бұрын
So much makeup has talc in it
The idea of corsets is still largely misunderstood. For 99.9% of women, corsets acted as support garments the way we wear bras now. Nearly all women wore corsets every day, without any problem. It was only high-class women who were expected to be fashionably thin who wore their corsets extremely tight. Women who worked - factory workers, maids, laundresses, nurses, school teachers, even nuns - wore their corsets at comfortable tightness which still allowed them to do their jobs unimpeded. And maternity corsets ABSOLUTELY existed, that served the same function as modern-day belly bands. In some ways, corsets would have been more comfortable than modern bras, not less, because the pressure was distributed evenly around the torso instead of just at the shoulder blades and rib cage, and certainly underwires were not involved.
@ladylavacake4174
10 ай бұрын
yes! I strongly recommend people to have a look at Bernadette Banner's videos about the subject (I'm sure there are pleny of other ones out there too! I'm just a fan of Bernadette)
@gwen8859
10 ай бұрын
More like girdles
@maryalicefrazier2817
10 ай бұрын
I still wear corsets and do prefer them to bras. Better back support
@TalyaEm
10 ай бұрын
Came to find this comment. Love how impossible it is to shade the corset anymore 😂
@carinaelizabethpaul9785
10 ай бұрын
@@maryalicefrazier2817I wear a bodysuit with underwire. I had them for decades .
Carmine beetles are still used in lipstick and blush today. In fact, it’s part of the reason why certain drinks were not considered vegan at Starbucks a while back. Because it’s still used as a food colorant as well.
@gwen8859
10 ай бұрын
Wow😮
@ybe7011
10 ай бұрын
Hawaiian Punch had carmine as a food coloring.
@Lu-dm7rn
10 ай бұрын
Indeed, some of this ingredient is also present in sweets like those strawberry flavored cookies
@carolinaroot3492
10 ай бұрын
Hawaiian Punch always gave me a sore throat
@gwen8859
10 ай бұрын
@@carolinaroot3492 I loved Hawaiian Punch until now. Hadn’t had any in years but was just thinking of getting some. Oh my…
In 200 years there’s going to be a weird history video about how women’s in the 2020’s were obsessed with injecting chemicals into their faces and butts to make them look like they had an allergic reaction to something or a baby with a dirty diaper 😂😂😂
@kaileyhylia1119
10 ай бұрын
I think people who do that are crazy now
@chromicapop4595
10 ай бұрын
oh and being obsessed wirth annoying trends lk
@pennyp7382
7 ай бұрын
It's men too. I know because I used to be a plastic surgery assistant in Beverly Hills. It's just as many men...also abdominal and calf implants. So stupid.
@AllytheGumby
6 ай бұрын
girls way more tbh@@pennyp7382
Tight lacing is what made corset uncomfortable and was frowned on at the time. Also some women who tight laced wore their corsets all the time. This is what caused health issues.
Gives a whole new meaning to 'If looks could kill'
@btetschner
10 ай бұрын
Good one!
@PhDrSeuss
2 ай бұрын
🤣😂😅😂😅 🤣😂😅😞😁
The thing is, what you’re mentioning with damaging corsets is called “tight lacing” even then it was considered stupid to do that, corsets would help distribute the weight of over 20 or more pounds of fabric a woman was wearing so she wouldn’t be injured by her dress
The idea of corsets affecting women's health is actually more of a myth and exaggeration. Every woman wore corsets everyay, just as we wear bras. Some women had issues with their weight, much as we have anorexya and bulimia today and might have laced them too tight. But the whole idea of the corset and the stays are that theyre supoosed to be comfortable. If the corset is umconfortably tight, you're doing something wrong.
@thelittlefashionphoenix
Ай бұрын
There are exhibits in museums of livers literally indented by the bands of the corsets. They literally couldn’t breathe properly. They were, actually, very dangerous.
Carmine is still used for red dyes in common modern products, including cosmetics, paints/varnishes, fabric dyes, food dyes and more. It's often not listed in the ingredients list as "Carmine", but more commonly labeled by its other denominators (most often E120, "Natural Red 4", or Color Index 75470)
Certain wallpapers (especially a popular shade of green) in the victorian era also had arsenic in it and killed many people.
@jemandjemand2362
10 ай бұрын
more like lead, which made it green
@monicapyle
10 ай бұрын
@@jemandjemand2362 the color that was very popular was called Scheele's green. It was an arsenic based pigment. Paint had a lot of lead in it though, so I'm sure if they decided to go with paint instead of wallpaper, they were still exposed to toxins. I'm surprised anyone survived!
@ferociousgumby
10 ай бұрын
It was also used to dye fabric, which would be worn next to the skin, with disastrous results. Oh well, at least you'd look sexy as you wasted away!
@MrBibi86
10 ай бұрын
there is a good series on KZread of things from different eras in your house that could kill you. I remember the green wallpaper from that
Honestly, I'm surprised the super wealthy didn't just use flour to make their skin look whiter than... uh... arsenic. Legit some of my extremely fair-skinned friends, because many brands don't sell shades light enough, just resort to using things like corn starch as a foundation powder. Interesting still... in asian countries, the youtuber Liziqi made a video about ancient chinese makeup - they were all natural; the red was made from rose petals and bee wax which can be used both as a blush and as a lip gloss/tint and the black was made from collecting ash/soot. Japanese - they used rice powder for the white makeup Europe: ARSENIC GAIZ!!!!
@OTHERMRBABCOCK
9 ай бұрын
Flour was much harder to get then: also traditional flour is very thick and doesn’t stick well to anything dry, not making it good makeup. Also, for the wealthy flour was a “common” ingredient not something foreign, exotic, or exclusive that the Victorians loved.
@metarcee2483
6 ай бұрын
I'm pretty sure I've seen lip gloss with the same ingredients as the Chinese recipe. It was like nine dollars because of its organic label, though.
@evil1by1
3 ай бұрын
Liziqi's videos are so beautiful but I wouldn't take anything I see on them as a fact or how to. Shes primarily an artist and sells a vision of a lifestyle to urban Chinese people. More like the cottage core people we have, some truth, some truth stretching, mostly selling imagination, limerance and escape not facts. Like ash and soot.. those concentrate dangerous chemicals like lead, arsenic, cadmium and chromium. You dont want those anywhere near your eyes. Corn starch as powder or to set make up is 🔥
I've heard of how women used to lighten their skin by applying arsenic to it. Like the narrator said, people thought arsenic was only fatal if they swallowed it. Of course, that wasn't true, as evident by the many women who died from the arsenic on their skins. Incidentally, this is where the expression "drop dead gorgeous" comes from.
@navret1707
10 ай бұрын
As well as mercury.
@gohawks3571
10 ай бұрын
I thought it was lead... How did we survive🤔
@Giantcrabz
10 ай бұрын
I imagine even if it it were only toxic through ingestion, you would inevitably swallow some over time during application and having it on your hands and in the air
@TheCandiceWang
10 ай бұрын
Drop-dead gorgeous!!
Corsets as torture is erroneous. It's no more damaging than the modern bra. The super small waists only look so do to padding, clothing proportion and posture manipulation; you know, just like now
Thanks in large part to Weird History, not much surprises me anymore.
Great way to learn history with all of the little humorous comments to keep it fresh and fun! Another great video.
I would think having those eye drops would make it hard to see, that's what it did for me when I had to have my eyes dilated for an appointment. It was impossible to focus on anything inside my car, including the gauges. ...ironic, considering I drive a Focus
@expred
10 ай бұрын
Thanks for the chuckle.
I can imagine that in the not too distant future people will look at how people use botox nowadays in the same light as we're looking at the Victorian era beauty trends.
@HavianEla
10 ай бұрын
Oh I’m sure there’s many things humans in the future will think us morons for. Such is the progression of humanity, technology, and science
@artbyjennyray
10 ай бұрын
@@HavianEla true, true
@kathleenking47
2 ай бұрын
Look at Kylie Jenner 🤔
@lostyetalive
Ай бұрын
And pressurizing women to shave every inch and literally have "clean" bodies like babies. And those women who are "more hairy" and have problem shaving everyday need to do laser hair removal which is painful as hell
…..lets all be thankful that someone said ……”you know, I think these chemicals are hurting the body”
obligatory "corsets were not and still are not that bad to wear, they were simply shapewear and many of the photos you see of women with highly slimmed waists are actually "photoshopped" - that is to say, they were shot on backgrounds that would be easy to paint or draw over to achieve that look" comment. any fashion historian can tell you this, i'm surprised it's still so prevalent. the TB comment is probably still accurate though, they're not unhealthy for you but they do still slightly restrict breathing, and if you have a lung disease that's not going to help lmao
Man, I'm glad we don't have a pharmaceutical and cosmetics industry today that will sell you products with long term deadly side effects that they know of, because of shareholder pressure for profit.
@Mel-so2rw
7 ай бұрын
Ikr, we’re so lucky they have our best interest at heart.
@6:03 That Weird History video "The Deadly Trail of Arsenic Throughout the Ages" was incredible, it is hard to believe something has been such a consistent use of poison throughout the ages.
How we ever survived the Victorian era is beyond me! 😄
@theesweetie23ca91
10 ай бұрын
We survived but the rich people didn’t, poor people couldn’t afford to keep up with these beauty standards
@Daud76
10 ай бұрын
@@theesweetie23ca91 ..and so the rise of the poor began! 😉
@theshagnetwork
9 ай бұрын
@@theesweetie23ca91 Actually things became more affordable in the victorian era. There was still homelessness ofcourse but it was a period of enormous advancement and for the first time ever, people who weren't rich could afford to live in luxury and comfort. They just didn't realize the harm's yet but many everyday people were effected by Victorian life in some form. It was a very experimental period.
Exactly why, when people tell my wife and I "But everyone else does that to their daughter!!1!", we don't listen and do the right thing instead. Not everything everyone else is doing is necessarily any good.
@woodworkingandepoxy643
10 ай бұрын
Yeah like when people would marry their daughters off at 12 or trade them for pigs like they still do in parts of Africa. Over in the smaller villages if someone was to be raped the parents get livestock as payment then force their daughter into marriage with that person
These are some killer beauty secrets
I want to thank your channel for first getting me into history, which taught me that learning history can be fun. Addictive, even.
That arsenic green is a very lovely color though
I knew about many of these... but arsenic baths?! What?! That one was the surprise.😮 Great info! Thank you!
@jcfreak4ever1
10 ай бұрын
Same here; Weird History and its partner Nutty History, as well as Absolute History, taught me a bunch about the ways of the Victorian era, but that one was a new one on me! I didn't know they did arsenic _baths_ back then... 😳
Ah, yeah, the Victorian era. Weird History can't get enough strange topics in that era for our entertainment.
There’s plenty of information out there about corsets and stays throughout history. Let’s not promote misinformation about how “awful” corsets are when for most people it was their version of a bra. It’s getting tiring hearing this old false tune that’s been proven time again to be untrue.
@neenee666
10 ай бұрын
agreed. super surprised and disappointed they decided to further these lies. plus the photo @5:02 is a famous victorian doctored photo. it’s not even hard to tell either. so much for being a history channel
@ferociousgumby
10 ай бұрын
@@neenee666 Also, better-quality corsets were reinforced with flexible whalebone rather than metal. Which is why whales were hunted to extinction.
@Down_the_Wind
10 ай бұрын
@@ferociousgumbywe still have whales on this planet
@erikaalexandraparrabernal2021
8 ай бұрын
@@Down_the_Wind yes, because whale hunting became illegal and that help the repopulation of the species...
@Down_the_Wind
8 ай бұрын
@@erikaalexandraparrabernal2021 tell that to the Japanese. They still hunt whales and dolphins.
I'm so tried of 'historically accurate youtubers' calling corsets a torture device.
Thinking about tuberculosis makes me miss my boy Arthur 😢
Arsenic baths is what surprised me the most!
I had also read in an old book about fads that Victorian women used to drink vinegar in an effort to look "pale and interesting"! Haha!
@Noah_E
10 ай бұрын
Vinegar isn't bad for you in moderation. I give my ten year old bluetick coonhound 2 tablespoons of vinegar twice a day for three weeks every four months. He used to get bladder crystals at least once a year before that. It lowered the pH enough that they dissolve and pass before getting large enough to cause cystitis or a UTI.
@2:29 In the film Once Upon A Time In the West, Morton (Gabriele Ferzetti) is a railroad tycoon that is on crutches because of spinal tuberculosis. Much of the film is a battle about ownership of the land that the railroad was going to use.
Could you do a segment on those beetles that when crushed made a red pigment? When I was in Oaxaca, Mexico I learned about a parasite that when crushed made that color red. All those movies you've seen with Kings and important people receiving letters with a rich red wax stamp are showing you how the market for these bugs went crazy. I think it may have been Spanards who first brought it to Europe but soon this red substance was a must for the Red Stamp crowd. The elite could not get enough of it. It was from Mexico and it became more valuable than gold!! I specifically learned about it after seeing an indigo dye made from leaves. The dyes were used by native people to dye wool for very prized carpets.
can you do the pacific history? if so thank you, I love your content.
How could someone dilate their eyes and still be able to function at a party with lights? (assuming using nightshade has the same after-effect as having it done at an eye appointment)
@Giantcrabz
10 ай бұрын
Dim lighting I guess lol
@crin28
10 ай бұрын
@@Giantcrabz would have to be! Damn. 😂
The fashion historians are going to have a field day with this one
I’m ready for the 2000-2009 timeline! I hope y’all drop it soon!!
A+ video! Unusual and mindbending video, very unique and excellent.
Erin Parson is a make up artist and she loves vintage make up. She has a great make up channel and she actually tested some of these. Not the TB though 😂
@MrBibi86
10 ай бұрын
thanks for the tip. I will check it out. I love that kind of stuff
@0:01 A girl I used to go out with was a fashion student at Stephens College, the second oldest continuous women's college, in Columbia, Missouri. The fashion students (some of which were also my next-door neighbors) were hardcore, and probably thought of fashion all the time. At the end of the year, they would present their fashion designs at the fashion show on campus.
@jalapeno1119
10 ай бұрын
Go Stars!
@btetschner
10 ай бұрын
@@jalapeno1119 Are you from that area?
Love your humor 😂
Nightshade eye drops! That gave me the willies.
Carmine is still used in lipstick and other cosmetics today!
The eye drops, I didn't think that there was anything else that outshone Dr Pepper tripped out.😂😂
@8:19 I saw there is a Weird History video "The Shocking History of Lipstick, The Outlawed Royal Cosmetic," I will have to check that out soon.
*You need to do a video on fashion trends that were started by men that moved to women. high heels for example. I don't know why some people go crazy when a guy wears women's clothes today because they started with men in the 16th and 17th centuries*
Why do people follow trends? It must be a Trend 😑
CORSETS ARE NOT TORTURE DEVICES! If you actually took time to research them properly you would know this. Tightlacing was at its peak in the late 1800s/early 1800s, but was still very uncommon. Only tightlacing shifted your organs, not a corset in itself. Corsets are actually more comfortable than modern day bras and were used as not only an undergarment, but to support your back. Each undergarment had its purpose. I've seen historical costumers try corsets on for a week, and Bernadette Banner who even wore a back brace for years, which is in its own right a "modern day" corset, and everyone has said they are infinitely more comfortable. The thing with corsets though is they need to be made correctly and for your specific body, if not, of course they weren't comfortable; it would be like wearing the wrong size bra. I urge a channel that is supposed to tell us the "facts" to research more on the topics you include in your videos. I've loved watching your videos, but this error has now made me cautious to believe anything you say.
@6:16 In the tv series Forensic Files, there are many cases of arsenic used as a poison. That is the gold standard of forensic science used for culturally significant cases.
Hello from Massachusetts, USA
So many makeup products use carmine, and I had no idea it was that toxic.
@alrox1
10 ай бұрын
From what the video said it was the ammonia they used that made it toxic. I assume the "carmine" used nowadays uses the non toxic bugs for color but a (hopefully) less toxic replacement for the ammonia.
TRYING to keep up with beauty trends is fatal... and I will die on that Jonah Hill.
Good Sunday morning from lovely Middle Tennessee it's a beautiful day here not hot yet.... love love love the Victorian Era stories it's fascinating how things progressed this Era was a huge education in all things health buisness the beginning of all sorts of industries! Appreciate the knowledge 😀 have a fantastic day yall be safe out there I do have to say that in particular the makeup the need to change how you look so deep that you will do anything to achieve it is infinite since time began humans have died for it... Victorian women were right there for it! They sacrificed there bodies and today we are all safer for it
I had to get tested for tuberculosis as a kid, it sucked. Turns out I just had a really bad & long lasting case of viral pneumonia which almost killed me. 😅
Do 80s fashion.
@carolinaroot3492
10 ай бұрын
Yes….the shoulder pads!! 😅
Soaking in Arsenic is new to me. The Egyptians were first to create cosmetics. They used bugs for eye shadow, khoal, for rimming their eyes. They also used berries for lips and cheek color. They bathed in milk. Chewed on mint leaves for fresh breath.
@kathleenking47
2 ай бұрын
Also, the 1st recorded music 78s were made by crushed beetles
@janetduncan87
2 ай бұрын
@@kathleenking47 huh?
PLEASE! PLEASE! PLEASE! Give us an update on Season 4 of the Timeline Series!
0:44 HOW?! 10:17 Except for Radium and lead, all of them!
Thank-you
I like this channel,and yogurt at Albertsons
Very interesting subject so thanks for sharing.
@1:01 In the classic film Say Anything (1989), Lloyd holds up a boombox under the open bedroom window of his love and plays "In Your Eyes" by Peter Gabriel, the song which was playing when they became intimate. It is an iconic scene of all 80s cinema.
@theesweetie23ca91
10 ай бұрын
Who cares?
I have never seen more nightmare fuel 00:06-00:12
“So what do you think? Which of these dangerous beauty trends surprised you the most?” … a… all… all. All of them 😳 It’s a miracle we have survived as a species lol
Hello from Bakersfield California
Has there been one on socks 🧦?
@1:54 Once Upon a Time in the West (1969) is considered one of the greatest westerns ever made. The tension of the film is greatest between "Harmonica" (Charles Bronson) and Frank (Henry Fonda, who grew up in Omaha, Nebraska)
@5:27 - 5:37 Great voice acting!
Wow..its a miracle any women survived the victorian era 😳😳
@benm3382
10 ай бұрын
Keep in mind the oddities we hear about most are from the upper classes. Regular women probably didn't partake of at least some of these things.
Any new Timeline videos this year? :)
Very reveling video. especially at 4:53
10:03 The University of Missouri (Mizzou) held the first homecoming as we know today (with a parade and a football game).
@WeirdHistory Have you got any "World History: Timeline: The 2000's (from the year ad 2000 through the year ad 2009)" videos? You know, Y2K, ten years from the beginning with the year 2000 to the end with the year 2009?
0:37 HAHAHA! Brilliant!
Please do 20s 30s 40s fashion
Flushed by Consumption sounds like a British 80’s pop band.
@0:50 Steampunk, the subgenre of science fiction, is inspired by both the Victorian Age and the "Wild West." (wikipedia)
Please make a video about Emma Goldman!
I loved watching Mr Ed when I was young
find it hilarious beauty standards were just as bad with false infromation about products as we do today in some of these
@2:57 Some co-workers of mine at the supermarket SuperSaver used to joke that whenever someone was eating a lot but still looking skinny... that they must have a tapeworm.
0:37 Since models make so much money and get so much attention, they should present stray cats at special shows and let them walk down the catwalk.
All of it surprised me except corsets. But weren’t there some cultures that used non toxic plant based colors for makeup?
@0:01 - The Met Gala is "popularly regarded as the world's most prestigious and glamorous fashion event." (wikipedia) It is an annual fundraising gala for the Metropolitan Museum's Costume Institute in New York City (wikipedia).
A high price to pay to look ugly in attempt to look beautiful.
Corsetry info was false. Very few women "tight" laced. How would the everyday women do her house work if she had her corset so tight she couldn't do the simplest house work (which, at the time was not simple)?
I love corsets!
@0:01 In 2022, for the Met Gala's theme of "Gilded Glamour," Kim Kardashian "wore the gown Marilyn Monroe wore when singing to President Kennedy in 1962." (wikipedia) "The gown is the property of Ripley's Believe It or Not." (wikipedia).
@elizlikethequeen
10 ай бұрын
They misspelled RUINED. Nobody else was to EVER EVER wear that dress. The disrespect is expected from that family, yet still shocking. Absolutely disgusting. I find comfort in the fact that Marilyn's legacy will outlast any Kartrashian.
@btetschner
10 ай бұрын
@@elizlikethequeen If other's don't remind people of the glory of a celebrity's accomplishments, that celebrity will be forgotten. I am familiar with Marilynn, but if you go out and ask people if they know her it's likely a lot of people who don't even know who she is.
@elizlikethequeen
10 ай бұрын
@@btetschner I definitely agree with you. I don't know how many more generations will know who Marilyn was, but I still think she wins. Even tho it doesn't matter at all in any way.
@btetschner
10 ай бұрын
@@elizlikethequeen It kills when greats like that are forgotten, they are such legends!
I gotta make a confession. I always play videos of these videos to sleep
These are all so insane, aren't they?
@1:44 The film Porky's (1981) is a sex comedy classic and also a college cult classic.
Umm.. at 4:53 there is A surprise if you look carefully.. 😂
@guardianoffire8814
10 ай бұрын
That's someone's great great great grandmother most likely. So gross...
@jayz.life.1183
10 ай бұрын
@@guardianoffire8814 lol.. Very true.. 🤣
@klarabarunovic9841
10 ай бұрын
Nip slip😶
@0:37 Lyrical reference to the song "I'm Too Sexy" by Right Said Fred (1991). In the song he is a model on the catwalk.
As someone who still wears Victorian era corsets… its a myth that it is uncomfortable
Hahahahahahah You’re too hot; here’s TB 👏🏻😤
In highschool I wore a corset but it was more for style than function
I forgot about Color Me Badd😂
@elizlikethequeen
10 ай бұрын
Omg. I Wanna Sex You Up came on the radio last week, I was traveling (it gets no air time in my town). I couldn't even tell you the last time I heard it. But, I CAN tell you I owned that single on a cassette and my 48 year old self sang EVERY word.
@monicapyle
10 ай бұрын
@@elizlikethequeen lol I'm a little bit younger (42) and I had it on cassette and used to play it when my parents weren't around lol
@elizlikethequeen
10 ай бұрын
@@monicapyle Dancing like you were doing the Lambada thinking you were fabulous is how I see this going down! That's great! I had to hide N.W.A. and 2 Live Crew. Wondering now what my Mom hid from my Grandma! 🤣🤣
@monicapyle
10 ай бұрын
@@elizlikethequeen i told my parents Marilyn Manson was a female Christian singer 😂 they believed me until they saw a music video
i can't believe that people used to do these things to themselves. How did they not find out how dangerous these trends were sooner?
@gwen8859
10 ай бұрын
Science just had not advanced like certain vaccines. Think operations with dirty germy hands not for a while did they know that caused lethal infections and so much more….
@soulsurfer7702
10 ай бұрын
Just think of it this way the stuff that was approved back by that it might be 15 years ago then now have the if you ingested this or bought this you are entitled to compensation commercials. One that comes to mind is the weed killer product. Because we trust whatever they say is safe and we don’t really pay attention to every ingredient used the companies aren’t going to admit it as soon because they will lose costumers.
@HavianEla
10 ай бұрын
In a hundred years, people will say the very same thing about humanity today.
@tiamarie6719
10 ай бұрын
@@soulsurfer7702 That makes sense.
@soulsurfer7702
10 ай бұрын
@@tiamarie6719 Forgot to add people thinking it’s just paranoia or why should I stop using this product or eating something if I’ve been fine all along. Like diet soda all those test about fake sugar being bad for you do you see diet soda being pulled from stores. In 100 years they might find an alternative to soda all tightest and say wait people actually drank this when it’s been shown etc.