*HIT THE SUB BUTTON - IT'S FREEEEEE!*

@Lilith_Reaver

Жыл бұрын

already done, my friend. ain’t no poser.

@jebwa

Жыл бұрын

been done yo

@ozgalarz3918

Жыл бұрын

Dude this guy is horrible, fantano don't know nothing!!!

@dynamicdingus7003

Жыл бұрын

Wtf, I just recieved a $1.99 fee. You lied to me

@robertoneal9439

Жыл бұрын

I ALREADY HAVE - AGES AGOOOOOO!

Fantano was extremely brave dropping the Imagine Dragons bomb in front of a bunch of rabid ST fans

@nicholasmills3469

Жыл бұрын

The imagine dragons vibes are definitely there, people just won't admit it because they automatically associate that with being bad. It's not a bad thing tho

@bigrob966

Жыл бұрын

@@nicholasmills3469 the problem with the comparison is that he ABSOLUTELY used it in the negative context.

@transient442

Жыл бұрын

Not really, metalcore fans think their community is bigger than it actually is. The amount of Rap fans Fantano has pissed off is enough to make up Sleep Tokens entire fanbase.

@SgtZook

Жыл бұрын

@@nicholasmills3469 Don't get me wrong, parts of Eden are definitely where they have sounded more like Imagine Dragons than ever, I just think it's funny that he actually went and namedropped them when it's basically a meme at this point

@connorhendrickson

Жыл бұрын

Braver man than I 😂

“If I don’t like a song, I don’t want it to be 8 minutes.” -Fantano

@TimmyK916

5 ай бұрын

Nor 1 minute. Such a pointless statement.

@MrDivagation

5 ай бұрын

I guess that guy doesn't know about prog

@kakimotoK20

5 ай бұрын

@@TimmyK916I feel like it’s a fair argument. If it’s trash and 2 minutes aight… 8 minutes nah get it together

@mistersplu1251

5 ай бұрын

I feel like he meant that to be 8 minutes long and enjoyable, a song has to bring things to the table that a 2 minute song doesn‘t, it‘s like some movies that are good in 80-90 minute form, but would be absolutely unbearable as a 3h movie, whereas other movies will leave you wanting more at longer times

@rompundex

4 ай бұрын

Also the beginning - i think it can work just right now, their music.

I'm gonna call Sleep Token "experimental imaginecore" from now on.

@sanield2782

Жыл бұрын

Imaginary dragoncore

@adamspx4

Жыл бұрын

@@sanield2782 Im dead now... LOL

@tragemdiverse3628

Жыл бұрын

Based

@phayroh3428

5 ай бұрын

that doesnt like a bad genre name though since baddie-core imo is kinda gross

@MrUnl0rd

5 ай бұрын

Fluidcore

If I heard Fantano's description of The Summoning before hearing the actual song, I'd imagine a song that sounds completely different to the actual Summoning song.

@papajcina

10 ай бұрын

You know what, Ive never heard the Summoning. Im gonna listen to it after I finish the video and see how the experiment goes

@papajcina

10 ай бұрын

While it wouldn't be MY criticism, I can see what he means by it. It doesn't sound gutteral, and you have an expectation that it should at some point. It does feel a bit two-dimensional.

the moral of the story: music will always be subjective

@eclipses3131

Жыл бұрын

Yeah lol people can get really mad at opinions but it’s just a meaningless opinion we all have

@occams_chainsaw

Жыл бұрын

​@@eclipses3131 some people are so sensitive that a benign disagreement in opinion now feels like a direct attack on their character. Fantano's opinion shouldn't be a deterrent for liking Sleep Token. And if you think it is, that's not Fantano's fault

@eclipses3131

Жыл бұрын

@@occams_chainsaw totally agree. Each individual should reach their own conclusions. We should also remember that just because we don’t have the same opinions doesn’t mean that we can’t get along.

@mikmook4781

Жыл бұрын

True. I haven't actually watched Fantano for a while now. No particular reason for that and he's pointed me towards some good music in the past. I remember disagreeing with some of his opinions about the music he was reviewing but meh! Didn't get butt hurt about it. 2/10 is pretty shocking though. I quite like Sleep Token but have sometimes wondered if they live up to the hype which surrounds them. Not hating on them or anything I just mean that I'm no die hard fan. 2/10? Wow! Doesn't really bother me although I'm sure it will bother some people a lot. You know it's just his opinion right?

@dee-taylor

Жыл бұрын

Except Sleep Token is objectively terrible.

I like how nik can include his perspective and opinions so well without actually dissing fantano. He can take what fantano says and break it up into what he agrees with and wants to question but it’s respectable

@pauldakwar6996

Жыл бұрын

Logic should take notes!

@joshzickus8394

Жыл бұрын

It’s almost like people criticizing a band should be taken as a personal insult.

@iwatchtoomuchyt9281

Жыл бұрын

​@Josh Zickus it's not about his criticism. It's about the absolute c*nt little b*tch way he delivers said criticism.

@chuckclark3214

Жыл бұрын

Whereas it's very difficult for me to watch anything from Fantano. I must remember that it's his views on things, though.

@brandonkoncyk1842

Жыл бұрын

If you love Sleep Token and the Take Me Back to Eden album please go give it a great comment and high review on Rateyourmusic because Fantano's goons are giving the album half stars and 1 stars constantly now since his video trying to destroy the legacy of this modern Metal masterpiece. His name is mentioned in the comments on that page many times. They dropped the high rating (at time of release) from 3.48 to currently a 2.75 and tons of hate comments.

Ima-djent Dragons

@Lifeonnmarz

Жыл бұрын

LMAOO

He literally complained about how it's super calculated, then proceeds to say it's too chaotic.

@itscalledsonder3785

Жыл бұрын

yeah, like if you're gonna diss a band at least be consistent with what you're saying

@_lin_al3177

10 ай бұрын

plus he complained about mixing metal, rap and pop elements and that it sounds boring or generic ,but then he also loves bmth's new stuff like??? on paper theyre doing the same thing his reasoning dont make sense

@somnia268

9 ай бұрын

that's what im saying like ??? at least keep it consistent

@MinuteMayne

9 ай бұрын

​@@_lin_al3177bmth does it well tho

@2o3ief

8 ай бұрын

I mean if you listen to what he said at the beginning by calculated he was referring to the amount of production/processing, something can be very sonically chaotic and all the layers be "calculated" in that sense

Considering the music that Fantano usually rates highly, He's one of the last people I'd trust when it comes to metal reviews

@lippi2171

Жыл бұрын

He generally gives high scores to the most abrasive noisy heavy stuff tho

@zachdukes8128

Жыл бұрын

I just looked at all the albums he gave a 10/10 to and he definitely has a bias towards certain eras and genres. So i’m not sure why him or his fans bother with things along these lines

@Patrick45392

Жыл бұрын

​@@zachdukes8128 He bothers with metal because he likes metal

@mbz-hw9el

Жыл бұрын

He‘s got some great metal reviews tho…

@brunotortorello8530

Жыл бұрын

He got a looooot metal albuns he rated highly. I think he just not into modern metal

The obvious reason which he held onto almost the very end is that he isn't into the vocals. If you don't like them, then you won't probably like any of their records since it's the main driving force

@bigrob966

Жыл бұрын

but to then spend 8 minutes making things up to hide your singular reasoning is pretty cringe.

@diode_wow

Жыл бұрын

​@@bigrob966 Gotta get that ad revenue. Making a short saying:"yeah, dont like it" isnt really driving people to the channel

@EthanRom

Жыл бұрын

It’s why these youtuber critics mean nothing to me and people gotta stop listening to their opinions like it’s gospel. If you’re gonna be a critic, but not look at it objectively then you might as well just be an average consumer as well since you are looking for something that falls into your specific taste profile

@random-user33

Жыл бұрын

@@EthanRom Music is inherently subjective. No music critic is ever looking at music completely "objectively" and there's nothing wrong with that. If you don't care about their opinions that's totally fine too, but acting like fantano shouldn't do a review on a band just because he doesn't like their vocals is pretty ridiculous.

@summey71

Жыл бұрын

But this album and sleep token is so overhyped. They are very boring, and their last album sounds like average pop-rock album. Yes it is very like Imagine Dragons but a little more heavy

I can't believe I agree with Fantano about something, but here we are. The over-processed 'peanut butter stuck to the roof of your mouth' vocals are the nail in the coffin for me.

@gintuner4371

Ай бұрын

Bro 100%, im with you on this one. I am very surprised by the hype of this album, but hey, gotta let people enjoy what they enjoy. Fantanos comments resonated with me tho, i completely get his perspective.

@krazedzombies

11 күн бұрын

'peanut-butter-stuck-to-the-roof-of-your-mouth' vocals may just be the result of having a UK accent in this genre 😂

@gintuner4371

11 күн бұрын

@@krazedzombies it really doesnt have much to do with that at all. there are plenty uk singers in this genre that dont sound like this. its simply his stylistic choice.

@krazedzombies

11 күн бұрын

@@gintuner4371 gotcha, sounds like I was just for base then. I definitely know what sound you're talking about. I just clocked it a few days ago, because I've spent so much time singing along to their music that it finally clicked. Vessel holds his voice in the back of his throat, which produces a choked sound, it sort of amplifies the desperation of their lyrics, adding a sense of pain that reminds (me) of someone on the verge of crying

@gintuner4371

11 күн бұрын

@@krazedzombies yeah, that describes it pretty well, and you gotta be fair, im not saying its objectively bad, just that i dont like the sound of it

Been thinking of this review, and what I honestly need the most is a band combining Faith No More, Prince, and Meshugga.

@kidtrinity2157

Жыл бұрын

Twelve foot ninja is sort of a blend between faith no more and meshuggah from what I remember lol, tossing Prince in there would definitely be insane too

@shanestern1788

11 ай бұрын

​@@kidtrinity2157twelve foot ninja is fucking hype

@duke1845

5 ай бұрын

That's Mr Bungle, pretty much.

That's why I love Nik. Very adequate comments, he is both subjective and objective and honest

I can now not unthink that Sleep Token is actually the Imagine Dragons of metal.... Dammit

@Infinifry55

Жыл бұрын

It's a shit take

@eclipses3131

Жыл бұрын

I was more or less thinking the weekend of metal lol. Yes I got that vibe but ST is really good tho

@parithian8462

Жыл бұрын

Funny, I didn't need anyone to point it out to me, I heard it in the first 30 seconds and turned it off

@yaboiash6207

Жыл бұрын

Nah, only when one song is played in every store like 5 times a day will it become the imagine dragons of metal. It's like the missing key component.

@Someone-eb7js

Жыл бұрын

they are tho

"Y'all know this is just my opinion, right?" Is the most important part of theneedledrop that many people tend to forget. It sits there in the description of every review for a reason.

@quentinbringthenumetalchil5125

7 ай бұрын

Core fans don’t know that.

@tlotr25

6 ай бұрын

so this makes him more just Ilikeit/Idislikeit guy then a reviewer:) but this is just my opinion:))

@youlikefeet

6 ай бұрын

When you say something objectively incorrect though, then it isn't just an opinion anymore. Like it is my opinion that the grass is red and the sky is green.

@KyleMcMullan_Musician

6 ай бұрын

Yeah you can't hide behind the "that's just my opinion" for everything.

@Irock2412

6 ай бұрын

@@KyleMcMullan_Musicianyou know, I have to agree with you especially when it comes from that guy. That same dude rated 3 incredibly mediocre - shitty albums above one of the all time great rock opera albums (American Idiot). Dudes opinion on that is objectively wrong.

I too hear Imagine Dragons specifically on Chokehold (and I do not like ID) but then I hear Tool in the beginning vocal section of The Summoning, then later in the album I hear Evernescencsece and even Sevendust on Apparition… and Vore is basically a love song to Deftones in almost every way. They are very much an amalgamation, and they do it very well and with their own twist - But it’s a great album (not without its dips) and it shows growth. I’m a fan.

@charlesbenson8337

Жыл бұрын

I hear A Perfect Circle but I do agree, I thought I was the only one who heard that lol

@TSBFORGE

10 ай бұрын

"and Vore is basically a love song to Deftones in almost every way", probably why it was my instant favorite. lmao

@Hatchet_Wound

6 ай бұрын

Every one of those bands make me want to vomit. Except deftones.

@_Mourning_

6 ай бұрын

@@TSBFORGE "Gods" is like that as well. Like you cant tell me that song was not inspired by the post White Pony albums from Deftones.

@tylerclarke5591

5 ай бұрын

Comparing TOOL to this piss is almost offensive

1:59 Surprisingly, he actually loves BMTH's newer stuff. He's had high praises for both Amo, and Post Human.

@the_furry_inside_your_walls639

Жыл бұрын

No respect for anyone who trashes so much on modern metal and thinks Amo is somehow a good album.

@dahliasmiles7122

Жыл бұрын

Didn't he give Sempiternal a 4 or smth lol

@xristospapadimakopoulos7588

Жыл бұрын

​@@dahliasmiles7122 he actually gave it a 3/10.......

@Ubarberet

Жыл бұрын

@@dahliasmiles7122 He also HATED That's The Spirit

@yash1140

Жыл бұрын

@@the_furry_inside_your_walls639 I mean, Amo is actually a great album for what it is trying to be. Evaluating it based on something it isn't is quite dumb.

I'm not an 'orthodox metalhead', but I really can't see how Sleep Token is considered a metal band. For me it's more like a group that can make metal and has a couple metal songs, almost like Poppy? Does that even make sense? lol

@davidstarks2456

Жыл бұрын

Because metal from the jump is unorthodox. Metal shouldn't have a set structure... If it was for set structures then we wouldn't have metal ... I mean think about korn how much hip hoppy jazzy funk is in ALMOST EVERY SINGLE SONG

@JurgenBlitz

Жыл бұрын

Maybe the mistake is reducing Sleep Token to "a metal band". They fuse a lot of stuff, and metal guitars and verses are just one part of it. I enjoy metal, I like Sleep Token, but I wouldn't consider them a metal band

@DaFootyChannel

Жыл бұрын

The disrespect to Poppy comparing her to sleep token 😩😂

@Airthugger

Жыл бұрын

Nothing metal about them except some edgy little riffs

@rasmachris94

Жыл бұрын

I'd probably call it melodic metal if anything. It leans heavy on the synthesized pop vocals whilst having occaisional chugs and riffs, break downs all that good stuff. It's closer to a very processed Evanescence if I'm being entirely honest. I like Sleep token, but if you look at it objectively it's just clean pop vocals over metal guitars and drums. I think the reason that it sounds so fresh is that it uses actual drums instead of samples which most music has come to do as of late and combine that with a weird and honestly jarring first time listening experience with different genres interjected at opportune times it feels like something new. Even though in reality it's just surface level iterations on multiple genres added to a single song. The good thing about ST is that the music is experimental with the meshing of genres will certainly be a great gateway band to many people who have never heard metal before. But at the same time, because it's surface level stuff you wont find a satisfying payoff as you might with Slaughter to Prevail or Lorna shore on the breakdowns. Just listen to Will Ramos' cover of Choke hold. The aggression in the break down adds so much more to the emotion of the song making it feel more complete.

My fav is Aqua Regia. I also understand that the style blend, especially in this track isn't for everyone and that's fine. But for me it's *the* hidden gem I didn't know I needed.

@thecreatedvoid117

Жыл бұрын

Yessss. I personally find ST overhyped, however, that song is fantastic.

@markbyrd7710

Жыл бұрын

It's super jazzy. Not my favorite on the album but definitely fun!

@rhysd5435

Жыл бұрын

Also my fav as well. Places me in a healthy headspace.

@charlesbenson8337

Жыл бұрын

Totally agree. Aqua Regia is a 🔥 track

They were the very first band i ever saw in concert in Detroit, Sep 2023, and it was absolutely amazing. I loved it

“Sleep token sounds like imagine dragons” is certainly one of the takes of all time

@Drewthemagnificent

Жыл бұрын

Alot of truth to it

@shl6367

Жыл бұрын

I just got into the genre recently and for me they do sound a lot like imagine dragon.. I don’t even say this negatively

@6BEEP9

Жыл бұрын

@@shl6367 Nah what the fuck, imagine dragons is garbage.

@jotunn30

Жыл бұрын

didn't even say that..and i'm saying this as someone that doesn't even watch the guy and that generally disagrees with almost every take he has about metal

@Drewthemagnificent

Жыл бұрын

@@jotunn30 "what they're doing isn't that much different than imagine dragons" that's essentially saying they sound like them doofus.

Watching this stream live on Twitch, while you were commenting & trying to hold it together, was hilarious. We were going off in the comments. You probably had to make sure some didn't appear in your video. 😂 Always keeping it real, Nik. You're a gem in the world of metal.

@matthewhughes5619

Жыл бұрын

Metal heads are definitely the most butthurt set of music fans. Cry about everything

I mean I will say to one of the later comments, Fantano was a big alternative kid growing up, it's something he's brought up on occasion. He even played bass for some small band that he was a part of back then. So I'd say he has pretty decent alternative credentials actually, at least as much as most fans and even players when it comes to the scene as a whole. I just think whenever he's had more critical perspectives like this with an act coming off more processed or contemporary, I just feel it's him showing that he doesn't really care for the usual, yk? Like he can appreciate contemporary music as a whole, he's given good scores and general reviews to more pop-centric/more mainstream appeal albums. It just feels like he usually doesn't care much for genre mashing unless they're an artist is really trying to be sort of super adventurous with it. Which mind you, can still fall flat for him ofc, but at least that's more where his tastes lie from whenever I see takes like this from him, whether I've enjoyed the project much more than him or not. (Also side note, he actually sort of messes with BMTH actually, though more pick and choose for him, but he really enjoyed that 2020 record Post Human: Survival Horror just to give you a small metric.)

@janogx

6 ай бұрын

Even then he gives kudos and respects the attempt made to try something outside of the ordinary. (happened with A7X's latest album which he put as the worst album of 2023 but commended the band for trying)

Totally agree with Nik’s opinion. I’ve been listening to ST since 2018 and their sound and ways of mixing different genres together is expanding so much with time. Thankfully that’s not hurting them at all. On the opposite, they got so big with the last release.

As someone who can't understand the hype, fantano really described what doesn't work about them for me

@rinnimalfy3453

Жыл бұрын

Its refreshing to see critics as well as other people finally say something about this specific direction of "metal" that this band is trying to push on. There really isn't anything to this music, it's just a money grab project that does what sells and nothing else. It consists mostly of really sub par pop music with occasional cheesy modern metal cliches sprinkled in. Not to even mention the unlistenable vocals.

@lewisbirkett4428

Жыл бұрын

Exactly what I hate about modern metal, overproduced and way too popp-y. Not that pop is always bad but it doesn't work in this case. Someone who can actually blend pop and metal is Poppy

@joeylummox7330

Жыл бұрын

@@lewisbirkett4428 more like Poopy.

@loganwortman564

Жыл бұрын

same

@Johnty270

Жыл бұрын

@@rinnimalfy3453none of what you said describes Sleep token and embarrassing yourself to be edgy is hilarious

Yep. Fantano is definitely a guy with opinions. Yessiree, he sure does think some things about music

@jvann244

Жыл бұрын

@@jeffemery7821 biased*

@feli6277

Жыл бұрын

I... agree.

@craftgarrett1

Жыл бұрын

Yeah his opinions are pretty bad

@cryptictriscuit207

Жыл бұрын

@@craftgarrett1 bad take

@Glintingbeetle

Жыл бұрын

@@craftgarrett1 his opinions are only bad in your opinion ;)

Fantano actually really likes BMTH. He gave their last album an 8/10 and liked their new song AMeN!

@_lin_al3177

10 ай бұрын

kinda hypocritical because their latest stuff have a lot of his negative points about sleep token in it. like the mixing of a lot of genres and what he called generic sterile pop rock. i love bmth and st ,just kinda think his reasoning is hypocritical lol

@VoidHxnter

9 ай бұрын

Honestly I’d want to see what he thinks if you swap the voices of BMTH and Sleep Token, since they’re so similar aside from the mix/master.

@janogx

6 ай бұрын

@@_lin_al3177 Sleep token takes a more polished approach to songs that should sound more raw. BMTH experiments, but always sounds raw and strong.

@hecticphusion

5 ай бұрын

@@_lin_al3177they’re not mixing genres, they just make nu-metal.

Fantano isn’t wrong about the imagine dragons comparison tbh

@sendingit2601

11 ай бұрын

I still have no idea what you or him mean by that. I've personally never heard a comparison so drastically different. Like what specifically?

@datmarsu7020

11 ай бұрын

​@@sendingit2601 Its overproduced to the extent of lacking emotion. Humans are imperfect, thats why people like Fantano or me, prefer songs that have edges and a certain roughness. But Imagine Dragons and these guys sandblast their songs, taking away any depth.

@plushie946

Ай бұрын

​@@datmarsu7020Why is rawness the only form of depth? Pink Floyd processed the hell out of their vocals and instruments towards the end of the '70s but I never see their music called soulless. If the processing is there to help create the sound you want for the song or album, go for it. Sleep Token doesn't give me the impression they want to be a raw little indie band combining their favourite genres. They very clearly want to be a larger than life, somewhat over the top band. They're going for a certain affect and the processing serves that aim.

The thing with Fantano is he likes his metal as abrassive and raw as there is. I respect his tastes, but a proghead will never see eye to eye with a black metal fan. I like my music calculated and lifeless.

@EthanRom

Жыл бұрын

That’s fine, but as a reviewer he should be objective. The fact that he has a preference against cleanly recorded work means he is automatically listening to the work with a bias. Like you said as a prog head, musicians work hard to get good takes and perfect their craft, it’s sad that such effort is only to be labelled “lifeless”

@coreyw5981

Жыл бұрын

It only bugged me when even every single KZread artist started sounding like bands that went into the studio. As if every artist, amateur or professional, is now using the same axe-fx and same drum samples. But i still love the sounds of calculated and lifeless haha

@FlynnMcTaggart

Жыл бұрын

"Lifeless" meaning it doesn't sound like it was recorded in a garage in the fucking 1990s

@vasilpeykov4935

Жыл бұрын

@@EthanRom that's not really true - as a music critic he has a right to be subjective about his takes, and at the end of the day it's just his opinion, as he states in every video.

@alfiemcevoy5125

Жыл бұрын

​@@EthanRom no review is ever objective lmao his job is to give his opinion. You cannot have an objective opinion, especially not about art. That's the beauty of it

This should be entertaining. As a metal head who just got pulled in on this album, this is hilarious. All the things Fantano dislikes are the things I love about this album. Just goes to show how different people enjoy different things. I love the THALL wha, wha, wha, wha, in the chokehold riff. That's what hooked me on the singles. Vore's blackgaze sound takes me back to finding The Atlas Moth. Im a huge fan of prog, BTBAM are one of my favorite bands of all time. To each his own.

@sunnohh

Жыл бұрын

Btbam superfan here and I sure do understand fantanos review, Sleep Token sounds like everything on alternative pop rock radio to me. Pure schlock

@ER04040

Жыл бұрын

@@sunnohh you havent heard enough then

@brandonkoncyk1842

Жыл бұрын

If you love Sleep Token and the Take Me Back to Eden album please go give it a great comment and high review on Rateyourmusic because Fantano's goons are giving the album half stars and 1 stars constantly now since his video trying to destroy the legacy of this modern Metal masterpiece. His name is mentioned in the comments on that page many times. They dropped the high rating from 3.48 (at time of release) to currently a 2.75 and tons of hate comments.

@mattcubed9658

Жыл бұрын

@@sunnohh You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. This sounds nothing like what you hear on there lmao. Get your ears checked

@maksschmidt

Жыл бұрын

Someone in his comments said it best. “When he brings out the red flannel for a metal album I know it’s gonna be a banger”

I love this album!! Probably going to buy the vinyl

My issue with them is they genuinely do blend a lot of different things… I just think if u isolate each thing they are doing they aren’t doing it very well

@VontiOfficial

5 ай бұрын

Same. I think they instrumentally present the genre mixture well (sometimes not), but I don’t think Vessel has the voice to truly pull off the RnB parts in a lot of their songs

@SamuelBlackMetalRider

5 ай бұрын

That’s exactly Fantano’s point. It’s a bland, shallow mix of cool modern genres/sounds

@frankmendez8599

Ай бұрын

EXACTLY THIS! ST just does barebones blends of genres that are just lacking in everything that makes them shine. Every song feels like listening to an identity crisis.

It's especially weird because he doesn't have consistent takes when it comes to Pop music. He doesn't think the Weeknds last album was "overly processed". Yet it undeniably is.

@seanmundyphoto

Жыл бұрын

yeah, this is the most frustrating part of the review or his reviews in general. similarly with his DGD reviews, he calls them super processed... but the pop music gets a total pass if theyre very processed or too "tight" lol

@iurigrang

Жыл бұрын

I think it has to do with the genre. He likes a bunch of pop/rap stuff, but when it comes to metal, he seems to gravitate towards the more “abrasive”/“raw sounding metal. And I think it makes sense, as a genre partially defined by being loud, distorted, and screamed/yelled, you can see how that would lend itself more to more uncontrolled displays of emotion rather than “prettily produced” stuff. Of course, that doesn’t mean that the only correct way to do metal is that uncontrolled display of emotion, but I definitely wouldn’t see thinking these elements don’t fit metal as a “contradictory” or “hipocritical” take to have when you like these elements elsewhere.

@Arcanineisthebest

Жыл бұрын

It's because Fantano only likes the raw side of metal, and he is not bothered bysomething having heavier production when it ocmes to pop. His job is not to be objective, objective critics are boring af to watch, his job is to be true to HIS taste, because the people that follow him supposedly have similar taste. That's the whole point of following a critic, to see what someone with YOUR taste thinks about this or that, but for some reason people that disagree with his views watch him regularly.

@DKDOESIT

Жыл бұрын

Exactly my thoughts . Aside from metal he always hates any other music type that isn’t processed and polished but since this is considered metal he hates all of it I guess.

@Viper-dz2kw

Жыл бұрын

It’s a genre thing I think, he holds metal and pop records to completely different standards, it’s like how a ‘raw’ sounding pop record is just not gonna sound like a pop record, but metal that is produced like a pop record is not good at being a metal record to him

Takes me back to his 1/10 review of DGD’s Instant Gratification. The lower Fantano scores an album, the more likely I am to own a physical copy

@deierbel2215

Жыл бұрын

Oh my god - Yeah, that's probably his worst review ever for sure..😅 I like Jonny era DGD mostly, but IG is nowhere near a 1.

@adambailey890

Жыл бұрын

This! All of this!

@corey_clip

Жыл бұрын

No way he gave that album a 1/10! That's one of my top 3 DGD albums! Guess his tastes don't line up with mine at all lol

@Bret3333

Жыл бұрын

Oh that's why I stopped taking Fantano seriously thanks for reminding me lol

@andros1486

Жыл бұрын

...does that mean you have physical copies of Nav's entire discography at home? :^)

I mean the RNB part of The Summoning is indeed the best part it fits so well it's a very sensual and sexy song then turned to 11 when he hits the RNB style vocals. It doesn't feel forced and it feels very natural. Not my style of metal but I think Take Me Back To Eden is a great album anyway.

I don't know why the Imagine Dragons comparison has anyone up in arms. I heard ST for the first time with this album, and literally my first thought was "This sounds like a heavy version of Imagine Dragons". It seems pretty obvious to me.

Let's remember that EVERYTHING IS SUBJECTIVE IN MUSIC. if he doesn't like it, don't hate him. Same thing with us, if we don't like something he likes, don't attack him. We have different tastes and that is all

@robertocribello635

Жыл бұрын

Wish everyone had this opinion honestly, couldn’t agree more

@rockthedwaynejohnson8188

Жыл бұрын

Fully agree. It's always super helpful when Fantano reviews a core album cos I know if it gets more than a 1 it's gonna be BANGING.

@Lilith_Reaver

Жыл бұрын

tell that to r/metalcore.

@metalnep

Жыл бұрын

It depends how you express those opinions. If you're an obnoxious a-hole about it then that certainly does reflect back on you (or "oneself"). And I have seen livestream clips where Fantano fits that description so I'm not a big fan.

@GG-kn2se

Жыл бұрын

Fanatno presents his opinion on a pedestal. He frequently shits on bands and criticises stuff that’s newly released from smaller artists (aka not Taylor Swift) which can really hurt them. I don’t know why you’re riding for him so hard, people can criticise him and his opinion and they can be harsh about it just like he often is. You really don’t need to state the obvious “MUSIC IS SUBJECTIVE” as if critics, him included, haven’t called a whole bunch of music objectively awful.

I think a lot of people here don't fully get why people critique art. Everyone has likes and dislikes, and none of them are objective. We can argue for our cases by using metrics of what we value in art, but in the end, it's all just our subjective human experience. When people like Fantano (or just anyone who enjoys media criticism) talk about music, it's not to make other people hate an artist, or make anyone feel bad, but to have a conversation about what makes art compelling to them personally. These takes are never anything more than personal opinion. If you don't find those kinds of conversations fun, that's fine, but there are plenty people who enjoy talking about what art they like and dislike and develop an understanding of why we connect with some works of art and not with others. Everyone is fine with people critiquing movies or video games because it's easy to point at something and say "That plot makes no sense" or "This gameplay is jank", but since music as an artform is a lot more nebulous, people find it a lot harder to properly pinpoint why they like or dislike something. That is all that people who enjoy critiquing art are doing in the end.

@PookySeinAccount

Жыл бұрын

That's not to say Fantano is beyond criticism either, you can just as well critique him for not properly reasoning his opinions. And I would sometimes agree with you. There are many points Fantano makes that I think are nonsense. And this, again, is all part of the conversation around art. But don't just say he's a hater or a contrarian. Anyone who has watched his stuff for a while knows what he tends to like and this was a very predictable review. There are PLENTY of acclaimed records that he also loves, but this particular brand of modern, cleanly-produced rock and metal is just not his taste. There are many rock and metal albums he loves, but those tend to be very stylistically and aesthetically different from ST.

@GoodByeSkyHarborLive

Жыл бұрын

​​@@PookySeinAccount fantano just has bad criticisms of rock music in general so it's hard not to say he is biased. His criticism of emo,post rock, math rock are terrible and often when he has the same criticism towards genres such as pop and hip hop it doesn't affect the score as much. They get such a bigger pass for things such as being "polished,refined, catering to mainstream trends of the genre" etc. I imagine he is doing the same for metalcore.

@PookySeinAccount

Жыл бұрын

@@GoodByeSkyHarborLive Yeah, for sure. But that's basically my point. He's biased towards what he likes. He doesn't like clean rock/metal, but has no issue with clean pop. That part's fair enough, but I do agree he doesn't always properly communicate that in his reviews.

@tapewoerm

Жыл бұрын

It's also important to remember we judge/rate music based on what we already know or have heard. Clearly, Fantano has listened to more music than most people and has a more broad sense as well as knowledge when it comes to a lot of genres. His ratings are a result of all the music he's listened to which mean if he finds sleep token bad, they're bad because he knows the music in that genre can be much better. He doesn't hate rock even though you think he does. He just has higher expectations 🤷‍♀

@The_Real_Frisbee

Жыл бұрын

See, I disagree to an extent. Absolutely, a persons subjective taste will influence their outlook, but a good critic knows how to push that aside and look at art objectively. If a critic can't find anything good to say about an objectively good piece of art solely based on their subjective bias, that critic shouldn't be listened to. Basically, my main point is that this viewpoint that all art is purely subjective isn't a good one, and it's commonly used as a cop-out to avoid personal criticism.

I didn't even need a full token to fall into a deep sleep.

@baronvonbeandip

Жыл бұрын

but they certainly help

As someone who kinda just started listening to sleep token coming from slipknot i didn't seem attracted to listen to them until i did and now i cant stop they are catchy and pleasing to hear i don't even care what genre they are because i like most of their songs old and new i love the vocals and the build up to the more aggressive parts but i have never listened to a band that sounds more unique than sleep token

@youlikefeet

6 ай бұрын

Good take, because the issue with them being compared to Imagine Dragons is that we have never heard a band with LESS unique sounds. You can literally find all of Imagine Dragons sounds in the base version of Fruityloops.

@radishweathers140

5 ай бұрын

⁠@@youlikefeetbruh that’s exactly WHY they sound like imagine dragons lol every element they take is like the most generic and bland version of those sounds and the only thing “unique” is the way they combine and structure those sounds. Stacking a bunch of different slices of white bread on top of each other doesn’t give it more flavor. Imagine Dragons is soulless processed epic emotionally baiting pop “”rock”” and that’s exactly what sleep token is they just added random modern metal sounds and threw it all in a progressive song structure.

Anthony is a caffeine addict, he hates sleeping

@takentactus8779

Жыл бұрын

Awake Token

It is wild to me that this band has garnered so much weird controversy and discussion just now. Sleep Token has sounded like this since their first album, each one has been consistently great and stuck with a very fine tuned unique sound.

@joeylummox7330

Жыл бұрын

I wouldn't call 90% indistinguishable from Post Malone unique in any way shape or form.

@hrothgarnogar

10 ай бұрын

@@joeylummox7330 Bro what???? Post and ST have almost nothing in common whatsoever. Not sonically, not lyrically, not vocally, not instrumentally. Like they objectively do not sound the same AT all. Are you secretly Fantano?

@njsteere

10 ай бұрын

Facts. Whether you’re with their sound or it doesn’t do it for you, they haven’t swerved an inch.

@pointblank4937

10 ай бұрын

i wouldnt say they went quite as experimental in sundowning. One and Two are much more nu metal, sorta shoe-gazey.

@GonnaGetYouBoi

6 ай бұрын

band is only good to pseudo intellectuals who know little to nothing about music. putting pop music into metal, doesnt make you good.. it makes you an asshole.

As someone who has not been able to remotely get into Sleep Token it’s just enjoyable watching the amount of people on the internet that got mad at Fantano

@McKillaboy

Жыл бұрын

That's why he did the bad review. He does this often, he looks at what's popular and deliberately gives it a bad rating for internet clout. He has been doing this for years and it works.

@damjanp7920

Жыл бұрын

@@McKillaboy true, he doesn't even do it just with generally popular stuff... sometimes he'll find an indie album that gets hype only in the indie community and most people don't know it exists and then he'll just shit all over it knowing it'll get those fans to tweet about him, works every time

@Drood.

11 ай бұрын

​@@damjanp7920 Or, just for consideration: Those are his legitimate takes. I agree with him on sleep token but I've disagreed with him before. The world would be really boring if we all liked the same things.

@pointblank4937

10 ай бұрын

@@Drood.truly. people on both sides of this debate are annoying me.

Sleep Token is truly one of the bands of all time.

@playboicartilover336

Жыл бұрын

mid token

@busski

Жыл бұрын

mid token

@namesurname7172

Жыл бұрын

Token rock band

The best 2/10 record I’ve ever had the pleasure of listening to.

@mirkecWii

Жыл бұрын

I wouldn't say 2/10, maybe a 5 or a 6, its passable and not bad but nothing really interesting

@El_Wrath

Жыл бұрын

You're both deaf.... Or die hard metal fans who don't like experimentation

@tigersinyourlungs

Жыл бұрын

it made me sleep and skip it and never to be heard again by my choice.

@mirkecWii

Жыл бұрын

@tigers in your lungs I listened to it on a bus, I feel asleep like halfway which is impressive because 1. I can almost never fall asleep in a sitting position, 2. I cant fall asleep with headphones listening to music. So I guess Sleep Token is an appropriate name lol

@El_Wrath

Жыл бұрын

@@tigersinyourlungs go listen to MGK then

I watched maybe 10 of Anthony's videos like 10 years ago and that was all I needed to realize I would never agree with him. Glad to see that trend is still going

@collinqs2541

Жыл бұрын

I actually enjoy watching him because he challenges me to question the very thing I’m listening too. Sometimes I hear a record and I think it’s a 8 or 9 out of 10 or I think it’s a 2 out of 10 and Fantano comes thru and delivers a 6. It makes me go back and at least question some of the things I thought were amazing or bad about records. Sometimes I agree with him, sometimes I don’t, and sometimes he helps me to enjoy things I might hate. I don’t think it’s a good idea to watch fantano with the intent of agreeing with a score. I think it’s better to do what Nik is doing here and just listen to his statements, see where he’s coming from, then form your own opinion.

@Arn._.

Жыл бұрын

@@collinqs2541 I get what you mean. But I prefer coming to my own conclusions without anyone else's input, I guess. I haven't watched or read a review (barring this Sleep Token review) in a long time

I love that Fantano made that comparison to Imagine Dragons,so true lmao

It was really interesting watching this video and seeing both sides of this arguement. I enjoy this album, but I'm not in love with it. I'd probably give it a 6.5 or 7/10, with my favorite songs probably being Chokehold, Vore, Aqua Regia, and Rain. I completely see Fantano's side that the genre-swap parts take from the generic areas of their respective genres (specifically the trap beats are very typical). However, I still think a lot of the ideas here are really creative, and *most* of them work well, which is where I agree with Nik. I love the piano parts on this album, and I do really enjoy Vessel's vocal performance (though I do think the processing was a bit bothersome on a couple of the later tracks). The riffs also go extremely hard. More than anything, I think this record shows how much potential this band has. I definitely enjoyed it more than their last, and I think they're fully capable of releasing a masterpiece if they really put their heads together. I'm happy for their success, and I wish them the best.

The fact that certain people are genuinely upset at music reviews is perplexing.

@GREENWARRI0R

Жыл бұрын

People just want to feel validated and be told they are right for liking something

@joeylummox7330

Жыл бұрын

🎯 💯 🎯 💯

@phaaaze9984

Жыл бұрын

That’s what happens when people equate their music tastes with their entire personalities. They take it as a personal insult. It’s weird as hell

@phreeck988

Жыл бұрын

@@GREENWARRI0R I think it's more to the effect of people not liking being told that what they enjoy is dogshit. It's one thing to not agree with people but to present that in the most abrasive way you can is always going to make people who like that thing mad. That's why whenever I wanted to be an asshole online the most reliable thing to piss people off was to find out what they liked and made fun of it.

@Hadgerz

Жыл бұрын

@@phreeck988 you use the word 'dogshit' but the reviewer doing the reviewing never says it, says more about you than the reviewer.

His critiques of the album are so bizarre that if he didn't have such a negative tone to his voice, 90% of what he says sounds like compliments and positive points to the album.

@tinybass8747

Жыл бұрын

the other 10% are just really random personal sounding gripes like "I feel like I'm in a prison" ... why? It's music, why would you ever even approach it from any kind of angle where you would feel like you're put in a prison? I would have to go into any kind of music with a VERY specific headspace in order to feel that way. If anything the album feels the toal opposite to prison-like. Its exploration of genre feels liberating and cathartic. It's so frustrating and tiring hearing people argue about genre, so for a band to just express themselves through so many different sounds is like one giant breath of fresh air.

@distortionto1066

Жыл бұрын

yeah I felt that way too it's like he was saying it's too good or sth

@mkdzzxc

Жыл бұрын

Bc he does not know shite bout music theory and stuff lol, and even less bout sound engineering and production :p

@cryptictriscuit207

Жыл бұрын

This is just how his videos are lol

@cryptictriscuit207

Жыл бұрын

@@mkdzzxc me when I lie

We now need to see videos of people reviewing Nik’s review of Fantano’s review

I think this is a difference of musical tastes between people. Which means that the reason some people love the album is the same as the reason some hate it. It is just what it is. It is pointless to argue when that happens

@kevindellatore

5 ай бұрын

I think if you personally don’t like an album to where you can’t review objectively and unbiased then don’t review it at all. You don’t have to like something, but making baseless comparison and outlandish complaints is just weird. Esp when he gives Death Grips a 10. Shit might be very unique but it’s very hard to listen to. I genuinely can’t listen to a single DG song cause it gives me a headache.

@clark4428

5 ай бұрын

@@kevindellatore If someone doesn't like something, they don't like it. This whole "judge it objectively" argument doesn't make any sense just because you don't agree with the comparisons made of the album. Listening to the album myself, I honestly agree with most of what Fantano has to say and I don't think it is any form of bias to say he didn't like the music because he didn't like the music. And then you go after his Death Grips review like that doesn't just prove the point it is all opinions. Plenty of people love it and it isn't just some hipster ironic love. All reviews are opinions.

@holylucane9019

18 күн бұрын

@@kevindellatore There is no such thing as no bias and there is also no such thing as an objective review. You're trying too hard to rationalize your own brought in delusions with stuff like "he likes dg which i dont like". You are being very biased and subjective yourself

Bro. My first reaction to Sleeping Tolkien was, “this sounds like imagine dragons” I agree with fantano 💯

I swear if they would have just recorded it on a walkie talkie Fantano would have said it’s one the most innovative and best metal albums of the last decade

@eanhutchins1603

Жыл бұрын

Fantano has some weird takes when it comes to metal and rap sometimes. He’s a huge Death Grips fan (who I find to be unlistenable), so it kinda says a lot about his opinion. But he just seems like a cringe black metal elitest. His metal takes are usually off

@1998flint

Жыл бұрын

@@eanhutchins1603 especially his I let It In and It Took Everything review he did a couple years back. That blew me away.

@eanhutchins1603

Жыл бұрын

@@1998flint yeah his views on newer metal don’t make sense lol.

@cinnamonfrenchghost

Жыл бұрын

yea he likes his music to sound like nails on chalk board

@eanhutchins1603

Жыл бұрын

@@cinnamonfrenchghost yeah or someone having a seizure on a keyboard

I think he gave BMTH Post Human: Survival Horror an 8/10 - which I was shocked by

People have to start appreciating mixing and mastering as part of the art. Much goes into getting that "sound".

@maddoxhallums4869

11 ай бұрын

True, but a lot of people just like a more natural sound. Like imo, Converge sounds more heavy than modern stuff even though Jane Doe came out 20 years ago because of the mixing

@del-marmare1646

10 ай бұрын

@@maddoxhallums4869 please advise what you mean by natural sound?

@pointblank4937

10 ай бұрын

@@maddoxhallums4869natural? do you dislike his use of electronic production and instrumentation? or are you saying the body and structure of the song itself is unnatural? or vessel’s vocals?

@maddoxhallums4869

10 ай бұрын

@@pointblank4937 Yeah I think a lot of the instrumentation sounds kind of dull, guitars are way too down-tuned and over the top, vocals are inauthentic and over-processed. There are some highlights for me though, like most of the Summoning and the piano in Aqua Regia

@gus2n

5 ай бұрын

Bland 2010s metalcore production

Funny how we all enjoy different things. Like you said, I can understand what he means by some of the comments, but all the things he hated are things I absolutely love about this album. I'm obsessed with this album, easily a 10/10 for me. It has been a long time since I was this excited about a band. Let's all remember that everyone is entitled to their own opinion though.

@muzien87

Жыл бұрын

finally a reasonable comment, you said its a 10/10 FOR YOU. whereas most of these mouth breathing hipsters are saying that this album is the best thing (insert any metal band that has survived the past 2-3 decades) and while the album is okay, its still extremely divisive. those who seem to like it are WAY over praising it and those who dont like it simply are saying "its okay, not bad but not nearly as amazing as these people are making it out to be" ...the cool thing right now is to worship sleep token, if you arent saying they are the best band in the modern era then you are behind the times and uncultured, thats how these people are acting

@mattcubed9658

Жыл бұрын

@@muzien87 Those who don't like it are not simply saying that lmao. It's extreme on both ends

@nathansterling639

Жыл бұрын

​@@muzien87 It's a 10/10 for YOU. But YOU have bad taste 🎉

@bartoszbartosiewicz1123

Жыл бұрын

@@mattcubed9658 I think people are just extremely feed up with seeing their name everywhere and the rabid fanbase that built around them. I don't really hate them, i find that album really boring and meh but not ofensively bad by any means, but at that point i just can't stand hearing about them and especially comparisons to some absolute god tier records/bads.

@mattcubed9658

Жыл бұрын

@@bartoszbartosiewicz1123 They literally only got big from this album cycle. You literally only heard about them cause they got famous a few months ago. Your "tired of seeing them everywhere" take is unjustified, especially your weird "better bands" remark like that says anything.

I respect pretty much any musician of almost any genre and acknowledge their creativity and talent even if their music is not exactly what I enjoy listening. That being said I genuinely came up with Image Dragons comparison myself :D

As someone who absolutely adores this record, Anthony is 100% right about the Imagine Dragons bit - the first thing I thought when I heard Granite for the first time was “oh god this verse sounds legit like ID” lmaooo

@notjohn100

Жыл бұрын

That's the song someone used to try and get me into them, couldn't get past it

@tonytheg6612

Жыл бұрын

I don’t get it, what songs from imagine dragons sounds remotely like granite.

@EVRNDR

Жыл бұрын

@@tonytheg6612 it’s the vocal style in the verse; specifically “When you sit there acting like you know me” and beyond lol

@notjohn100

Жыл бұрын

@@tonytheg6612 the verse right after the first chorus could be on any imagine dragons album. It might not be a 1-1 to one of their song but it's got the vibe.

@tonytheg6612

Жыл бұрын

@@EVRNDR guess I just haven’t heard them enough, all of their popular stuff sounds nothing like it to me and even when I skimmed through some stuff I don’t hear it.

I love Sleep Token and this album, but I also understand every point he makes.

@ericglenn4906

Жыл бұрын

same.

@vk-fb4ox

10 ай бұрын

Same

@evoloxe

5 ай бұрын

same

@thegeekqwerty

11 күн бұрын

Same

Okay..I'm not gonna lie. I get exactly what he's saying with the Imagine Dragons reference. I also agree with what he says about them definitely sounding like they're from today. They definitely go for the 'big' sound like Devin Townsend for example but it feels like more forced emotions to me. I just recently listened to them for the very first time and I could tell pretty quickly it wasn't really my style but I also wasn't surprised that I keep hearing about them all the time now based off of how they sound. Not for me but good for them for their success!

@Mahbeiserts

Жыл бұрын

This is exactly how I feel. I’m happy for them, but it’s just not for me.

@LicoriceLain

11 ай бұрын

Also, Fantano absolutely does not fuck with Devy. He can't stand his production or vocals.

@SamuelBlackMetalRider

5 ай бұрын

« Forced » absolutely. This band sounds so fake and shallow

As someone who more so prefers the sounds of bands like Kublai Khan TX and thrown… I definitely understand the Imagine Dragons comparison lol

Everything he said was a negative I thought was a positive. I love a big sounding mix. The vocal is thick and hits strong. You don't need to be experimental to make a good song. The fact that they didn't break ground in any of the genres they borrowed is neither a positive or negative. Honestly, the fact that this got a 2 when he gave Metallica a 5 (when they just shit out identical sounds as they have for a decade almost) is embarrassing IMO

@ThundraBoy666

11 ай бұрын

I don't mind the mix as much, altough I prefer a rather raw sound, probably why Black Metal and Screamo are my favorite genres. I could see myself listening to Sleep Token though if not for the vocals. The vocals are what's absolutely killing it for me, just can't stomach them for some reason.

@RealHawkz

11 ай бұрын

@@ThundraBoy666 I think that's fair. I also like that sometimes, my taste profile is fairly wide. What really rubs me the wrong way with Fantano is that he is very inconsistent at times. If anyone but Metallica (or another big act that he happens to like) shit out identical albums, he would weight that heavily and rate them low.

@_lin_al3177

10 ай бұрын

how can he look at the camera dead ass and say that vessel's vocals aren't good like???? be serious man , vessel sounds angelic

@StevieMcKenna10

10 ай бұрын

Dude's a certified boomer

@Cixon14

8 ай бұрын

@@_lin_al3177Angelic? He sings like it’s still late 2010s and Falling in Reverse became bigger than Beyonce lmao

I can absolutely understand WHY people don't like ST and their new record. But god damn I have had that bitch on repeat since it came out. I agree with Nik where a lot of Fantano's criticisms just don't feel like criticism. I've been a fan of heavy music for almost 20 years now, and one of the things that I love about ST is that they just sound like a project. EVERY band that has ever done an interview has said at some point "we dont go into the studio with a blueprint, we wrote what felt natural" I feel like ST actually does that. It sounds like they make the songs they want to make. and a lot of their tunes have a lot of that "what if we try this?" in it and its so fucking refreshing to hear that. They aren't the first to do it, obviously bands like FNM, Mr. Bungle, Dog Fashion Disco, etc all excel at this and have been around far longer, but ST is such a treat and have a very different sound than the others listed. Also one other thing I love is that when you get past the surface of the band and look into all the nods and easter eggs in their songs that reference their other music, it is a really fun experience. I've never really felt a band give me that feeling before.

@joshuabalsavage4695

Жыл бұрын

Very well said. I’m also a fan of very heavy music. I often get bored of it tho cuz after a while a lot it is just more of the same. This album has blown me away tho. I’ve listened to the entire album at least once a day since it came out. It’s refreshing and when I’m listening to it it gives me a transcending feeling like as if I’m being raptured. Lol

nik likes everything and never critiques a band

someone in your chat unironically said "i bet this guy worships nickelback" bro thats gotta be the worst most uncreative and unoriginal roast ive ever heard💀

It's like Bogdan said in his reaction to the new I See Stars singles. People are spoiled nowadays. Everyone expects every new thing that gets put out nowadays to be some 11/10 genre defining/innovating masterpiece but it doesn't need to be, it can just be something that sounds good and that's it

@davidb4935

Жыл бұрын

I feel like that's what Sleep Token are going for though, to define a or the genre! Sometimes, when you shoot for the stars you end up face planting, and that's ok, some people are into that

I feel the same way as him, but I am glad the band is doing well, to get a metal-ish band in the mainstream is cool

@allcolorsareentombedinblack

Жыл бұрын

Same

@insome776

Жыл бұрын

saaaaame.

@JoinMeInDeathBaby

Жыл бұрын

How mainstream are they?

@insome776

Жыл бұрын

@@JoinMeInDeathBaby 90% more mainstream than any other modern "metal" act. 5% as mainstream as ed sheeran. ;)

@JoinMeInDeathBaby

Жыл бұрын

@@insome776 i mean, if we judge by youtube views, stuff like Sabaton is way more mainstream. You know, continental European heavy metal, not metalcore

even though i disagree with most of this guys points, i honestly don't disagree with his whole "imagine dragons" but metal. when i was a preteen i loved imagine dragons, and now thinking about it, listening to take me back to eden definitely gave me similar vibes as listening to night visions (i can't compare to imagine dragons newer stuff as i don't listen anymore). it's a weird connection but like, i do get it. but also the fact that he says it's too organized then 2 mins later says are you really okay, literally the simplest song on the album, is too chaotic? it is wild to me that music can sound so different to every single person.

@GhostlyMess

2 ай бұрын

i watched more of the video so im adding another point lol. it's interesting to hear him say that the genre blending was boring, to sum it up, because when i showed my mom the summoning, she basically said the same thing. "this sounds like every other song on the radio". which, i completely disagree, but it must not be totally wrong if others are also thinking it. as for the vocals... i get his point. i remember when i first tried getting into sleep token, i listened to the offering and alkaline. i hated the vocals on both because they felt so desperate. a couple months later, i listened to the summoning, and gave the band another shot - and now, the offering is one of my favourite songs. but, i agree, vessels voice is definitely an acquired taste, and yeah i can't fault him on that. vessel has talent, but it is a lot. sorry for the mini essays 😅

I hate to say it.... But I agree with a lot of what he said. Especially the Imagine Dragons part. My buddy played ST for my at our shop a few months ago and it was my first listen.... Literally said "why does this sounds like Imagine Dragons..."

This album made it to number 3 in the UK charts and was only beaten by pop megastars Ed Sheeran and Lewis Capaldi. That right there is a testament to how great this record is!

@joex-mn4we

Жыл бұрын

Being next to Ed Sheeran is not saying much

@karljonson3287

Жыл бұрын

​@@joex-mn4we being famous metal alternative band says a lot

@mundanemorselsmundanemorse7028

Жыл бұрын

Popularity/sales in music does not equal quality.

@sm-qw9mj

Жыл бұрын

​@@joex-mn4we I get why it's popular to hate on Sheeran, but he is an absolute hit machine and mostly does it by himself. I can't listen to his music, but I do respect him.

@spikestoyou

Жыл бұрын

This is more a testament to how accessible it is. Sleep Token is for NPCs lmao

Part of the joy of it being so processed is getting the joy of the other end of the spectrum of STs TRBs and ocassional lives like DYWTYLM or the EPs and those early lives feeling *so* different in a good way. Its like two songs for the price of one and feels like a special gift. And thats not even getting into how personal the touch is on the album to begin with, intentionally leaving breaths in etc.

Most bands like ST and others are just working 3 years behind Loathe and 5 years behind BMTH

any real "metal scene" hates this record lol it really is just alt imagine dragons

@Jovanche9

8 ай бұрын

Absolutely, people that listen to this shit just sit on the opposite side of the spectrum where people that only listen to Black Sabbath sit on. Not actual metalheads.

I guess having the big nerd of all on the internet music wise is truly a compliment for a band like them... I don't even watch Fantano regularly unless I'm truly bored or just found something I wanted to see.

This was funny but we all know that Fantano is the last guy we want reviewing metal albums Edit: Yall are so mad in the replies LMFAO 😭

@DegraTrip

Жыл бұрын

That's an idiotic thing to say.

@Jason17300

Жыл бұрын

@@DegraTrip do you want to explain why, or just resort to insults?

@jacksonconstantine5740

Жыл бұрын

@@DegraTriphe doesn’t know metal

@SoappNuts

Жыл бұрын

@@DegraTrip That was a thing to say

@mrsunshine8347

Жыл бұрын

Anthony introduced me to black metal band, Zeal and Ardor after he praised Stranger Fruit. It's now one of my favorite bands. He absolutely knows metal.

Fantano is right

I think what Fantano is getting at is similar to the way I feel about Sleep Token; I want a band that constructs their songs the way Sleep Token does to challenge me... sonically... to push my musical tastes... to make me a little uncomfortable before I get settled in... but Sleep Token doesn't do any of that. They're high production elevator music.

@LMonty10

Жыл бұрын

You must not like much music :( sorry to hear

@Generic_Man

Жыл бұрын

@@LMonty10 I don't know why you'd make that assumption.

@noahperales4635

Жыл бұрын

All the things it doesn’t do for you is exactly what it did for me (and probably a lot of others). Also if that’s what elevator music was like, I’d be spending way more time in elevators lol.

@Somavi

Жыл бұрын

Elevator music goes unnecessarily hard you can’t deny.

I think its a good point about it being each genres surface level stuff and that being enough as far as innovation goes. But its *the beginning*. And not just for ST, but for other bands and indivudual members who have those diverse backgrounds to feel secure in learning to combine the deeper parts of each genre and still finding an audience who is more than willing, starving even, to embrace it and stand by them as they experiment. Its just like the 2010s with the abundance of ballerinas getting into poledance. Eventually people of other dance backgrounds got into aerial silks and lyra and pole, and combined the skills of all of them to make performances. Cirque du Soliel is also an example of this. When circus performance was starting to die, this weird little concept appealed to americans who didnt know the langauge, when they deigned to use it. It had mass appeal and instilled wonder. It used to only be on at 3 am on an odd channel in the 2000s. Dont underestimate the diversity and innovation that will bring in mass appeal.

"Vore is a black gaze song without being recorded on a nokia" 😂

Finding new artists I like, whatever the genre may be, is difficult. Music is therapy and to avoid my favorites from getting stale I need to give them a break and find new stuff, but damn is that process painful. I agree with Fantano kind of, but I don't see it as just being a SleepToken issue. Instead, I think it's just a lot of newer rock/metal subgenres feel so similar that few truly stand out. Hell, it's like that with music in general. I know. I know what they say. " There's nothing new under the sun," and "art is subjective." I agree with that stuff for the most part. I personally don't see anything special about them either.

Great Cover!

Fantano giving it a 2 is better than him giving it a 5. If he really dislikes it, it atleast was impactful enough to leave a (negative) impact. That's better than a bland 5. Now he admits it's unique, but not his jam, rather than nothing special. I also agree with most of his takes, even compared them to Imagine Dragons to my friends well before his review. But just like Nik says, I don't see how it's a bad thing. Solid album, 8 to 9 outta 10, Apparition is a banger.

@abandonallgolfcarts

Жыл бұрын

right.. i think maybe if he went into it without knowing their gimmick and presence in the metal scene, he might have enjoyed it more

Definitely with you on how the song Are You Really Okay is in terms of sound and it was my least favourite of the album- I did love the lyrics. Vore is a big favourite of mine along with Chokehold. And big fan of the wah wah sounds, it's very pleasing to my brain lmao.

After listening to records on repeat and watching live performances, I will say, yes, the vocals are heavily processed on record. I can't really tell at some parts how much the backing vocals are done whether it's Vessel himself or someone else (I'm sure the female tone sounding backing vocals are done by a female but hey, I've heard Ves get up there). Having said that, I think Fantano is definitely overlooking that aspect in his slamming of the vocals. Me personally, i appreciate the enunciation, but to each, their own on that. Anyways, the point I was trying to make with this is that after listening to both record and live, I think they process his vocals on record while maintaining his natural tonal integrity VERY WELL.

The problem is I think Nik & the rest of us take the album as a whole & the genre they're within into account when assessing how fucking bad ass Sleep Token is but Fantano just takes the singles apart and basically takes the 'jack of all trades, master of none' approach - I still don't understand where the 2/10 comes from.

@ericpeterson9110

Жыл бұрын

But that's the thing, It's not much good doing a lot of different genres if each of your attempts is middling. If you mix a bunch of mid takes on genres you end up with a mid record. In every instance of ST there are other artists in the genre who do it better, at no point would i want to listen to R&B, or djent, or blackgaze, or pop etc and choose Sleep Token.

@aquelarre7616

11 ай бұрын

@@ericpeterson9110 "there are other artists in the genre who do it better" to you

@pointblank4937

10 ай бұрын

@@ericpeterson9110i’m so confused by this take. i listen to both? sleep token as well as more refined and unique artists within each genre that ST experiments with. the blending of genres in their music, while sometimes falling flat, still creates an immersive sonic experience. the use of jazz or blues chords within a heavy metal chorus sorta tickles my ears lmao. and maybe it’s also because i’ve connected myself to vessel and his passion, his journey as a musician. his lyricism reads like poetry, at times. his vocals are a powerhouse. his musicality is undeniable.

@yaegars355

5 ай бұрын

ive never seen fantano like a metal album before so its whatevs

@stormrevenant

5 ай бұрын

The ending of the The Summoning pisses me off to no end. It's such a boring fucking song with an irritating final half.

Music is art, art is beauty, and beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

@baronvonbeandip

Жыл бұрын

Can't wait to put that on a placard to be hung in my kitchen along with other retarded shit like "Live. Laugh. Love."

@EPÏKUS.MUSÏC

11 ай бұрын

And "Eye of the Beholder" is track 3 off of Metallica's 1988 album, "...And Justice For All."

@youlikefeet

6 ай бұрын

Then people like Fantano should recognize this and not say things that are objectively untrue. Stick in subjective territory and all is well or he just sounds stupid.

@PhlappyBird

6 ай бұрын

What I got from this video is he's saying he doesn't like it so it's bad

@newhillroad

5 ай бұрын

art is very often not beautiful

i know its going to be a banger when he gives a bad review

@tiggetty

Жыл бұрын

Sleep Token doesn't make bangers. They make music to coma to.

@nikoraasu6929

Жыл бұрын

@@tiggetty sleep token because their newest album is a token for falling asleep

@thepotatolord3052

Жыл бұрын

I agree with him tbh I don’t think sleep token is that good

@warclericwill4

Жыл бұрын

@@nikoraasu6929 I love seeing all the people that come out to shit on ST, y’all give me a chuckle as I vibe to the album again

@nikoraasu6929

Жыл бұрын

@@warclericwill4 Ok bro, not like anyone cares about my or your opinion. You liek the album, cool, I don't.

This era of metal reminds me of when glam rock was popular. Super cleaned up and radio friendly music is what’s popular. Hopefully the underground can come up with something to save metal.

@knottedtwig3289

Жыл бұрын

I don't mind good production but the music has to be.... actually good

@Soap20000

Жыл бұрын

@@knottedtwig3289 it’s way too clean though. It sounds almost mechanic without any human touch.

@knottedtwig3289

Жыл бұрын

@@Soap20000 true, it makes the bad parts of the album stand out so much. The singers voice and their very badd interpretations of other genres lol

@gx1tar1er

Жыл бұрын

in the 80's: glam metal was very mainstream; heavy metal was semi-mainstream; thrash metal was semi-underground. However most both heavy metal & thrash metal music released in that decade have aged better than a lot of glam metal.

@blackiesavage7661

Жыл бұрын

​@@Soap20000You sound like a dude who hate glam metal just cuz they play fast solos

Metal must be in a really really bad place if freaking Sleep Token is who theyre trying to prop uo

@gx1tar1er

11 ай бұрын

New King Gizzard album is way more metal than this & they're a experimental psychedelic rock / various genre band lol

@jefff3023

7 ай бұрын

Metal is in the same place its been for a while. All the good stuff is buried by a handful of massive, generic and bland bands

@M4n1Acal1

5 ай бұрын

​@@gx1tar1erking gizzard I heard them making a deal of that. That is literally the biggest lack of creativity, sound slike everyone's 70-80 prog band.. so bland.. no hype in it and not much talent. I listened through quite a bit of them in a ten hour drive last night from Cali, and it was such a big deal on full metal Jackie. And so I checked through it on my stereo... And bon jovi keep the faith album was heavier than king gizzard rhyming lizard wizard

@SamuelBlackMetalRider

5 ай бұрын

@@jefff3023Metal is slowly dying away with its real die-hard fans. The real metalheads are getting older and there is no deep renewal: the younger ones enjoy the shallow, soulless, overproduced Metal and most won’t be listening to metal in 5 years. New Metal bands are absolutely not more extreme than bands in the 90´s. Production is « bigger » that’s all there is to it. We have already reached « peak brutality » in a way while Metal was getting more and more extreme in the 80’s 90´s. Since then only homages & reinterpretations. Sleep Token is not metal and will not bring new people/fans to the metal scene. With a very few exceptions Metal started dying away in the late 2000’s

@thegeekqwerty

11 күн бұрын

​@@SamuelBlackMetalRider it's almost as if times change 😊

I’m not gonna lie when I first heard the album, I really did think to myself that it had things that made me think of Imagine Dragons.

@joeylummox7330

Жыл бұрын

We all did. Well, you know, those of us who aren't brainwashed.

@Airthugger

Жыл бұрын

Whoever’s saying they don’t sound just like those guys simply doesn’t want to admit it

@markbyrd7710

Жыл бұрын

@@joeylummox7330 can you point me to whichever imagine dragons album or track that sounds like this?

@Direksone

Жыл бұрын

​@@markbyrd7710stop being such a simp my guy. There is nothing inherently bad about being compared to ID. They are a capable modern rock/pop bands that have made decent songs.

@markbyrd7710

Жыл бұрын

@@Direksone what is a simp? I asked a question. Is there an album or song specifically you know of that sounds like this?

Fantano's review taught me that music taste has escaped one of us. 10/10

@sunnohh

Жыл бұрын

Fantano is right imo, too glossy and produced 4/10

@WishMount

Жыл бұрын

@@sunnohh it just isn’t though

@PhoxyPoxy

Жыл бұрын

@@sunnohh I've never considered gloss to be a bad thing I guess. I think you're narrowing yourself with your garage-tinted glasses.

@thelightshineth8848

Жыл бұрын

@@WishMount I love this album and think it is beautiful BUUUUUUUT there is a ton of production stuff going on. Lots and lots of vocal layers and reverbs and subtly woven in synth pads and things like that. Now like I said I love it, but to deny that it's heavily produced is kind of wrong. Just keep in mind some people prefer music that came from a 4-track.

@vasilpeykov4935

Жыл бұрын

@@WishMount it's subjective - it really does sound overproduced to me as well

The fact that he thinks tmbte is like a grey room or a prison, I think he's exactly right. Vessel wrote every song like he was wired into a matrix of sorts and feels trapped. So the calculated effect seems like it's supposed to be there. The chaotic nature is vessel trying to break out of and chew through the wires

Never listened to ST before but when he said imagine dragons, against your reaction, I was like "time to see what he was getting at" Nah, I see it man. It's very imagine dragons.

DID HE ALSO THROW EVANESCENCE UNDER THE BUS?!? Bro that album was my highschool life!

@vasilpeykov4935

Жыл бұрын

i was the same way with the sickness from disturbed. i remember how much i listened to that when i was in hs, but i listened through it again recently and it's not good lol

After that, I'm driving to McDs to get a McRib menu and a double Cheeseburger. Fantano's review doesn't phase me at all, life's great and so is Sleep Token's new album. Worship 😆

@KatzPhantom

Жыл бұрын

I'm about to go to In-N-Out and get a double cheeseburger animal style. I'll be blasting Sleep Token the whole way and have my windows down in the drive thru screaming Vore. 😂

@GodVessel

Жыл бұрын

Life cant be that great if youre eating a mcrib and a burger from mcdonalds 💀😭

@mirkecWii

Жыл бұрын

Every "worship" I see is taking me back to girls worshipping One Direction

@itzibitzi7611

Жыл бұрын

@@KatzPhantom 😋😋 I wish I had In n Out here in Bavaria

@itzibitzi7611

Жыл бұрын

@@GodVessel hey, it's supposed to better than eating ass😆😆 besides, I'd have to drive more than 20 miles to the next Burger King🙈

My friends coworker recommended this band to me, she was wearing a Sleep Token shirt. I had high faith going into listening to it. Then it didnt resonate with me at all and I was like this is all the hype? Fantano definitely made me feel like I wasnt crazy. I watch needledrop a lot and disagree often when he isnt over the moon about albums I love, but here it was more than entertainment, it reassured me lol. Although I didn't understand the Evanescence dig.

@AuxiliaryHillman

4 ай бұрын

Same for me. So many people were like "you gotta check out Sleep Token it's so good" and then when I do it's just super processed mix of pop and metal. Also the aesthetic doesn't match the music whatsoever

He actually rates a lot of Bring Me lol. He loved Post Hunman and really dug Amen. Never know what you will get with Fantano. He triggers and challenges my own opinions at times but I am learning to embrace that this is part of enjoying the art of music and having unique tastes and different constitutions as humans. Great content Nik, I chuckled a few times ;) I also would be lying if I said Fantano doesn't sometimes infect me with his perspective on songs lol.

@hanzouwu

Жыл бұрын

I remember he hated Sempiternal reviewing it with a Mumford and fucking Sons t shirt

When I watched Fantano’s review, I was in shock when he said it was “bland and boring.” Like, there’s no way we listened to the same album!!! But Sleep Token isn’t for everyone and that’s okay

@ishouldhelpthisguy

Жыл бұрын

Agreed! Like if you don't like Sleep Token, that's perfectly fine, but from an objective POV I'm always baffled when someone calls them boring haha.

@phaaaze9984

Жыл бұрын

Idk I’ve struggled to get through it because I find it so boring. Glad others are enjoying it but this is the most confused I’ve been about a popular album in a long time. It just sounds so robotic and dull to me

@venny1232

Жыл бұрын

I listened to 4 of the most popular songs on the album to see what all the hype is about and I found them really boring, for me the level of musicianship is just not high enough, each of the different elements just sounds generic and not interesting. I have had the new Haken album on repeat for the last two months and they don't sound quite like ST but they do blend genres together with a much higher level of musicianship that to me at least sound a lot more pleasing to listen to.

@MysticHeather

Жыл бұрын

@@phaaaze9984 I feel exactly the same way!

@noahleach7690

Жыл бұрын

@@ishouldhelpthisguy if its your first metal album im sure it seems interesting