I’m American who grew up knowing billboard. I’m also Asian and I think separating this is racist. If the tracks outsell or are more streamed than other artists, then they are deserving of the top spot, regardless of what genre they are. I’m still disappointed over what they did with Jimin and how they took away his spot.

That is bs and I want to hear them explain the deletion of 100k sales of Like Crazy. If they don't have something to hide, they wouldn't block the sites that keep track of the counts.

@sandygonsalves4646

12 күн бұрын

Probably because they were coming from the same accounts.

@satyachowdary5291

10 күн бұрын

@@sandygonsalves4646 its pure bullshit ,, you can't buy 100k from a single account ,, billboard had this rules from a long time you can't buy more than 10 and only 1 or2 sales will be counted from same account

Then why separate K-Pop into its own category if there isn't discrimination? Why change the chart rules right when artists (BTS) are charting #1 songs? He can say whatever he wants but the results are there in black and white.

Lies , lies LIES! What happened to Like Crazy was horrible!

Billboard only interested in making money off of KPop and BTS. I stopped watching awards shows only watch to support BTS if they are a part of a specific program. Billboard along with scammy and all the rest. Only want money from KPop using Korean pop and culture but not accepting BTS and the rights they have as artists. Billboard wants rating and sales this is why a new magazine. Billboard you should treat all artist as equals. BTS are the Top Artists and group Worldwide you should accept and recognize talented artists. Billboard and scammy you make me embarrassed to be American. Billboard even has diddy, Usher, Beyoncé charting when they are in a mist of controversial s#%%#l allegations shame on you. Don’t believe me look up all the controversy

@cyann410

13 күн бұрын

I only hope kpop fans can see through this disgusting move. Billboard has finally found a way to profit off of Kpop, but still can shut them out of the charts. If you are not dirty, sneaky, underhanded and desperate, you do not have a place in western music industry. It is all corrupt. Billboard and the Grammys need to be boycotted!

@sandygonsalves4646

12 күн бұрын

it's kind of funny and ironic that yall are fighting billboards over discrimination, when K-pop as an industry is THE most discriminatory and prejudiced music industry on the planet.

@LokisJin07

12 күн бұрын

@@sandygonsalves4646 Well, doesn’t it have to start somewhere

I came to know of billboard thanks to BTS. So billboard is really not that relevant

@HailToTheMeep

13 күн бұрын

YESSSSS

@abc-lp6nb

13 күн бұрын

same

@indiabyrd9030

13 күн бұрын

Just because you didn’t know about billboard before BTS doesn’t mean billboard its not relevant. Billboard is the chart that the top artist in the world go on so that’s the chart that you should want your fave to be on so they definitely are relevant you hadn’t heard of them

@cyann410

13 күн бұрын

It isn’t that we don’t want to be on it, it is that they keep shutting us out. Every single time BTS has topped the chats, they have changed the rules to make it harder for them to get/ stay there. Dude, be serious. This is all about money under the table. There is NOTHING- absolutely nothing, fair about how Billboard conducts business! I am American, and been around years longer than you, I understand what is going on. Stop trying to defend them. I am beginning to think you are a BB plant. We are not stupid.

@eileencritchley4630

13 күн бұрын

Must admit I never thought any thing about the USA Billboard Charts until BTS either. And I wondered why is it called Billboard isn't a 'Billboard' one of those huge advertising signage things be they digital or non digital. Now of course I understand as it really is advertising board as those who pay illegally for radio play and do 'Bundle's are the winners on that Billboard so once their name's been at the top of the Billboard a few time's their name is know even if no one is really buying or streaming their music. It give the 'artist' visibility to get endorsements and modeling etc etc.

I call BS on Voldebord! They keep changing the game and make it harder for K-Pop Artist to make the charts in the US. So Much manipulation and payola happening, it's ridiculous and embarrassing.

Seems to me the BB ONLY purpose is to create a division, a separation, that doesn't meddle with the western artist in the future, since they know how dedicated and active kpop fandoms can be when voting and streaming, if they really wanted to give kpop or any other genre for that purpose a chance, they would actually put them in the same level of opportunity and chances as any pop or any other chance, not long ago BANG SIK HIUK wanted to rid "K-POP from the K" what happened to the dream?

@HailToTheMeep

13 күн бұрын

THISSSSSS

@cyann410

13 күн бұрын

Bang PD won’t play their game, and line their pockets with money to keep kpop in the running. Unfortunately, the US music industry ( I’m from the US, I KNOW how it is) is corrupt and dirty, and BTS won’t stoop to their dirty tricks to get the air time to get on the charts.

Then explain BB rule change immediately after(as in the following charting week, immediately)Jimin topping BB Hot100. They did Jimin real dirty that time.and in real time even for all to see.

@btsforever1872

13 күн бұрын

Exactly, and changed the rules again after Jungkook achieved #1.

@sandygonsalves4646

12 күн бұрын

This is called confirmation bias. For all you know the change could have been in the works for a while

@btsforever1872

12 күн бұрын

@@sandygonsalves4646It’s called sabotage. BB changed rules immediately after two members of the same group debut at #1. How ridiculous to create a rule where songs purchased from the artist website don’t count towards BB. 🤡

@marigold5320

8 күн бұрын

@sandygonsalves4646 Then you aren't informed. BB did release an OFFICIAL statement on several media publication regarding their rule change a few days after Jimin's #1 BBHot100, the rule change they even stated is to be applied asap or the following charting week for LC. Its on record, btw.

I’m from the US and you have to realize how scared people like Billboard and the Grammy’s are of K-pop artists - they fear them because they see real talent, true artistry, and performances unlike anything any western artist can do - and that frightens them to the point that they make K-pop only categories to avoid putting these “complete package” K-pop artists with their so called western singers because in the end they know who will come out the true winner - and that terrifies them - so yes they do discriminate and its embarrassing and I just hope someday they wake up and acknowlege where the real talent lies

@sandygonsalves4646

12 күн бұрын

ok k pop artists are talented, but no need to bring down western artists to prop them up. Especially since k-pop only got to where it was BECAUSE of western music.

The real definition of "FEEL THREATENED BY BTS"

Best way for billboard to separate BTS from dominating billboard in west. Haha when bts soft power conquer west.. Ops threatened so need to build barrier..

This is really about how Billboard treats BTS, right? How are they reporting on themselves? 😂

Right on! Looking forward to it 💜

@cyann410

13 күн бұрын

Please don’t, this is a very bad thing for the kpop industry and the idols. It is just a way for Billboard to make money off of kpop, since we don’t pay them millions of dollars to play our music and get on the charts. It is pure greed. Don’t insult your idols by supporting this . Our kpop groups and idols will not benefit from this, only the western music industry, who does not want kpop on their charts.

@cyann410

13 күн бұрын

Please don’t. This is not good for kpop, or the idols. They have finally found a way to make money off of kpop, but still not let them on the charts. This is a very bad thing for your idols. Do not support this!

Just how much is it of a coincidence that they just decided to start in June when most KPOP fandoms and ARMYs know that Jin (oldest member) of BTS is set to come back and be discharged from his enlistment on June? As well as that Jhope is also set to come back in October 2024. They may as well be trying to publicly announce that they don’t want KPOP groups to compete with their western artists. Looks like they’re also planning on trying and stopping BTS as either solos or as a group to perform in the BBMAs in America by setting up a branch in SK. Since it’s likely that BBMAs in SK will be only for the KPOP groups (may be similar to MAMA or MMAs), while the BBMAs in America be only be for the western artists to perform. Also he really denied the claims of discrimination? 🤨? Even BTS leader RM called them out and said something along the lines of “Don’t come for our fans (ARMYS), if you want you guys (Billboard) can just change the rules”. RM said that because BBMAs were accusing ARMYs of mass buying, etc (which was ORGANIC!) (yet they didn’t call out the other western artists that did bundles with tickets and even dared to ‘re-introduce’ and count the bundle system to count towards the charts). No, BBMAs aren’t being shady at all 😒. I’m guessing it must also be countless coincidences that BBMAs would SUDDENLY announce their rules would change when it counts towards the charts whenever BTS would release either a trailer or a post to promote their comeback and/or even when they went solo with their music since other members started enlisting in the military! That would the changed rules would also COINCIDENTLY just be announced either a few weeks or couple of months BEFORE they (BTS) were set to comeback and release music, as well as COINCIDENTLY the changed rules would be something that WOULD NOT benefit BTS or remove certain criteria from before that SHOULD’VE been counted (all of this done by the BBMAs to hope BTS either as a group or solo would fall off the charts) 😤

@cyann410

13 күн бұрын

It is all about how they can profit off kpop and BTS, and BTS won’t “pay to play”. They are not going to let their artists who pay under the table lose ranking to BTS or kpop when they can’t profit off of them. The western music industry is shady and corrupt. We need to boycott this, now that they have found a way to profit off of BTS and kpop. It is all about money, nothing else.

@sandygonsalves4646

12 күн бұрын

maybe, just maybe billboards don't make plans revolving around one k pop artist?

@patriciamezarina2496

12 күн бұрын

@@sandygonsalves4646 Oh really? Then it must be COUNTLESS COINCIDENCES to at BBMA keep changing the rules EVERY single time BTS announce or post specific dates or months for their comebacks. Or how after Jimin kept staying #1 in the charts BBMAs SUDDENLY ERASED one variable that MOST BENEFITED Jimin and it can be seen as how after they did that Jimin was the ONLY artist whose ranking was changed while all the other western artists that were #2 and below moved up one. BTS for COUNTLESS years have been #1 in the charts for BBMAs. You must also NOT have read the whole thing I wrote since even BTS leader RM also CALLED OUT BBMAs since BBMAs were accusing ARMYs of mass buying (while it was PURELY ORGANIC. Fans went into ACTUAL PHYSICAL stores to buy the albums IN PERSON & lined up to buy it with the their OWN MONEY only for it not to count?!). While for the western artists not only sells their songs for cheap in iTunes, etc to profit them and also include them in bundles (eg, T-shirt + album/song). That is with their so called “fans” only wanting to buy their fav artists merch and NOT the album/song. Their western artists fans DO NOT get a choice to NOT want to have an album/songs.

@alesonu

12 күн бұрын

​@@sandygonsalves4646 Really Then explain all the rule changes that effect ONLY and ONLY one kpop artist.

@sandygonsalves4646

12 күн бұрын

@@alesonu these rule changes have effected indie artists too. In fact I've seen it affect my favorite political rapper. At least the billboard designated a category in recognition for KPop. Kpop and BTS are not the entire world of music. And BTS in particular has more then enough accolades under their belt. Why the f r y'all so pressed about how well they rank on some stupid chart that nobody pays attention to? It doesn't take anything away from BTS or their impact by any means. God y'all need to touch grass.

As a kpop and BTS fan - but not army, I understand Billboard's reasoning or stance against kpop. I know all those payola shebang with billboard charts, but they should stick to taking local radio play into account for their charts. If they stop doing that, then the billboard charts will be full of songs from india. If you can't believe this, just check the most trendy songs on youtube chart. Also billboard cancelled most popular or viral artist award - sorry I forgot the name - ever since some unknown filipino boy band that nobody knows was on top for weeks by traffic manipulation. Personally, I don't think kpop fans need to give much of consideration towards billboard charts. It's definitely good to see your favorite idos getting some recognition from Billboard, but you don't really need "validation" from billboard to enjoy kpop.

@sandygonsalves4646

12 күн бұрын

It's because armies see the bill oard ranking as their own achievement. By putting in the work to mass stream and buy BTS songs, they can convince themselves that BTS's success is THEIR success. Its sad really

@virgie6983

12 күн бұрын

@@sandygonsalves4646 Why is it sad when Western artist fans like SWIFTIE do the same things why do you think TAYLOR SWIFT Charting in Billboard Hot 100 and 200 it's because of her fans. Swiftie also mass streams it's every dedicated fans doing it for their idol not only k-pop fans.

@sandygonsalves4646

11 күн бұрын

@@virgie6983 idk where my reply went but basically, it's becasue taylor swift is more popular in the west and in general has more followers in the west. So obviously she's going to outrank BTS in a lot of metrics billboard considers. Also Swifties don't spam "let's get this video to 1 billion views" to the same extent as bts fans do. Just look at the comment sections of both artists and you;ll see the difference. Swifites are talking and paying more attention to the song, while BTS stans keep spamming about view count. One fanbase is streaming CLEARLY to inflate numbers, and while swifties might do the same, they don't make it as obvious that billboard ranking is their intended goal. At the end of the day, the Billboards just wants to make sure that whomever is ranking is getting that position because the masses genuinely like the music, and not because of one fanbase's obsessive mass buying behaviour due to their parasocial relationship with that artist. For example, why the changed the sales to be one purchase per email address after Jimin's Like Crazy. In general western fans don't buy more of the same thing under one account. But k-pop fans and armies do.

@sandygonsalves4646

11 күн бұрын

​@@virgie6983 sorry just realized I misunderstood your question....but to answer why it's sad, well the answer is in your question. You're not consuming the music because you enjoy it, you're now giving up time, energy, and resources to a person that will give you nothing in return. Neither taylor swift or BTS will be there for you in your worst moments, and despite what they may say on stage or in video, they DON'T love you. No artist "loves" their fans, they can only love what you've given them. Taylor swift has no reason to "love" her fans other than on the basis of the support they give her. Same thing with BTS. When BTS says "we love you" they're not saying it to YOU, they're saying it to an Army, and that's all you are to them. Someone that supports their dream. Mass streaming isn't bad when people genuinely love the music, but as soon as it becomes about just wanting the artist to succeed so you can live vicariously through them and feel like you're a part of their success, when in reality, you're not, that;s when it becomes sad. Dedicating time and energy to someone that will never know you or be there for you at your worst. And no, listening to their music is not the same as them being there for you.

@virgie6983

11 күн бұрын

@@sandygonsalves4646 All your rumbling and signifies nothing. It's none of your business whether the fans wants to consume their favorites music or streaming them none stop or buying their albums. They do it for their personal gratification because they love those singers/music and it's not your money that the fans spend so get out of your high horse thinking you are better than us. You're the one who is SAD all you do criticize, we enjoy ourselves and you're just a miserable person just like a KAREN who like to meddle in some people's happiness.

It's literally the opposite of what he says. Billboard does NOT want anything that isn't from the sweetheart side of America on that chart especially Hot 100. They don't care about the Billboard 200 cause if they did they wouldn't let artists like Taylor have 80+ versions of her albums everytime she releases something. Eliminating the artist store also erases income for the artist as well. Radio in the US IS LITERALLY DYING local stations getting shutdown left and right and radio play is ALWAYS a huge part of the Hot 100. Billboard is trying to freeze Korea out but the companies in Korea are too hungry and want to appease their US label overlords.

I am a faithful BTS ARMY but, putting that aside, this is a money spinner for Billboard. Many high selling albums of last year came from Korean artists (Seventeen, Stray Kids, etc). So this is not all about BTS. I can see how they want to cater to a K-pop audience. They do NUMBERS! I personally love music from all over so I pay more attention to the Billboard 200 charts as this is more reflective of what is happening in the world, which interests me much more than the Hot 100 that includes 'pay for play' and 'bundles'. I am sure BTS will continue to compete against other top artists and I hope receive nominations in major categories and are not confined in K-pop. I mean we all know they have gone beyond that term years ago.💜

@btsforever1872

13 күн бұрын

This is definitely about BTS. Those albums sell because of post cards and despite all those sells their songs are not found on BB 100 or have the streams.

No surprise, Billboard have always been discriminatory and prejudiced towards BTS and Kpop and does everything to stop it's rise. Still BTS wil continue to be successful regardless

眼神流露 凶 唔係防彈根本唔留意billboard.

Billboard is just as bad. BTS has not won or been nominated for Artist of the Year, Song of the Year, Album of the Year. They use BTS and Kpop.

I see what they are doing 😂

Broh just stop pretending and just declare that you don't want BTS beating your western artist! You ego cannot handle that a Asian group is having such a strong fanbase in west and dominating your charts!!

People are mad becuse they cant manipulate with there multiple downloading streaming and buying more than one album 😂😂

I better not see BTS being lumped together with other groups. no disrespect but ... billboard is not relevant without BTS

@btsforever1872

13 күн бұрын

I believe Billboard and award shows created KPOP categories to separate BTS from western artists not because they care about KPOP.

@indiabyrd9030

13 күн бұрын

First of all billboard has been the top charts that people go to before BTS and I’m saying this as a BTS fan billboard will be relevant with or without BTS because there’s always good artist who taught the charts like Beyoncé and Megan Thee Stallion. And BTS is a K-pop group st the end of the day so of course they’re gonna be lumped in with other K-pop groups so that was a stupid statement all around.

@cyann410

13 күн бұрын

Exactly! It is to keep the artists on top, whose companies pay lots of money under the table to get them there. They are not going to keep letting BTS top the charts, when they can’t get paid for it. It is a corrupt, profitable underhanded business, not fair. It turned from celebrating artists to a money grabbing business. Now they have found a way to profit off of kpop, but still keep them off the charts.

@itsmeloriforever7234

13 күн бұрын

@@indiabyrd9030 it's not relevant for me, so your point? and FYI BTS is not just another kpop group.BTS can sustain itself in the music industry without the industry making a profit out of them, I don't know about anyone else. You clearly don't seem like a fan if you diminish their success by bringing American artists into this conversation. we all know how everyone is against them, yet they're more successful than all those acts combined.

@btsforever1872

13 күн бұрын

@@indiabyrd9030 I agree with your point on BB relevance with/without BTS but to called BTS just a KPOP group is wrong; especially when their music genre is vastly diverse. Taylor, Beyoncé, Drake and others music artists get nominated in several genres categories of award shows. My point is BB is separating BTS from western artists because of their ability to compete and win. Furthermore, why isn’t there a UK Billboard, Australian Billboard, Canadian Billboard but all of a sudden there is a South Korean BB.

Yes Billboard is only intested in making money from BTS and K-pop… the way they did dirty to BTS is inexcusable… what they did to Jimin with the chart is disgusting… if it’s not for BTS i couldn’t careless about Billboard

@sandygonsalves4646

11 күн бұрын

"disgusting".. he fell to number 40. You acting like he was booted off the chart entirely. Get a life

Bts is not in the K-pop category

@EverRoxas

11 күн бұрын

So, claiming that BTS isn't K-Pop? It still isn't its own genre yet (if ever...)...

@satyachowdary5291

10 күн бұрын

@@EverRoxas kpop is not a genre its a industry ,, moreover now bts already crossed kpop and became worldwide legends ,,, so just keeping them kpop is weird

@EverRoxas if you’re not ARMY then maybe you should stay out of ARMY business. As a Black American I call out discrimination and xenophobia wherever I see it. It’s an essential part of my survival in racist America. As ARMY of course I want BTS to be awarded everything they’ve worked so long and hard to achieve. Tell the SWIFTIES that the world won’t end if Taylor Swift doesn’t win every Award, which she has. Your hypocrisy is glaring.

@btsforever1872

8 күн бұрын

She is a stalker and spend her time searching for videos concerning BTS to post her irrelevant opinions.

Music is music, it shouldn’t matter where the artist performing that music comes from. It is discriminatory when you separate it into boxes so it doesn’t compete against your own country’s music. Will they be putting British, Australian, Canadian or European music into their own categories as well so they don’t compete, or only South Korean? Sorry, it is what it looks like, cowardly discrimination. Cheating.

I’m sorry the people in this comment are pissing me off because I know y’all like BTS however billboard was relevant before and will be relevant after BTS. Billboard it was created to display western artist so the fact they’re not doing a lot of K-pop artist is not weird because it wasn’t meant for K-pop artist in the first place because that’s not their market and the fact that they’re even deciding to make a Asian branch means that they’re trying to recognize K-pop as another category because otherwise they wouldn’t have one for K-pop because it’s not a western thing. KPop is not very popular in the western media and it wasn’t popular until BTS came about even then a lot of western people don’t even like BTS because they don’t listen to K-pop. Like you all like to put BTS on this pedestal Thinking that everything is nothing without BTS but I’m sorry to tell you, babe that’s not how it works. BTS is not as famous in The US as they are in Korea, K-pop in general is not as famous as it is in Korea, so it’s not going to be perceived the same way as it is in Korea and other countries because most Americans do not listen to K-pop and that’s just something y’all have to accept

@cyann410

13 күн бұрын

And you have proven our point! Kpop is not as well know in the states because they keep shutting kpop out! It is a threat to your western artists, who pay big money to stay on the top of the charts. Don’t even try to dent it! But how do you explain it when BTS gets on the charts? Their REAL numbers? How they sell out arenas- multiple nights in a row? Funny how they are not well know or liked in the US…. Good try, but it all boils down to money. The western music industry can’t profit off of BTS like they do with their underhanded tactics with the “top western artists”. The west uses s*x, drugs and money to get to the top. And sometimes, even talent. Don’t fool yourself, the west can’t handle the music that is made by talent, hard work and scruples.

@virgie6983

13 күн бұрын

Oh really why did Billboard removed the awards for TOP SOCIAL ARTIST when BTS is winning it for the past 5 years but they got no problem when Justine BieBer winning it for 6 years. When BTS won ARTIST OF THE YEAR in AMA.. after a year AMA introduced the Awards for K-POP group, Afraid that BTS will again compete with American artist and their artist will lose to BTS hence the separate awards for K-pop?? Most Americans don't listen to K-pop but K-pop groups are dominating the Billboard 200 and BTS topping Billboard Hot 100. K-pop group you say is not famous in USA then tell me why are there a lot of K-pop idols representing Global fashion brands??

@nn-ms8jy

13 күн бұрын

bruh they became popular in us more then korea and if u cant accept the fact that billboard is now known more cause of bts only in the world maybe in us cause of some other artist but yahh us isnt the only country in the world and many americans listen to kpop and who dont must be a chigma follower and bruhh they wouldnt have had sold out stadiums and cities like las vegas and los angeles turn purple when they have concerts and they are the biggest boyband in the world cause conquered all big markets including us that means they beated the american boy bands, and boy bands like 1 direction and others and so u cant say that they arent famous in the us and for kpop in general yahh they arent so popular but they are growing and some people in the west are preferring kpop then general pop and many around the world obviously more then the west love kpop , bts then pop artists like taylor swift and yahh u americans are actually fearing that bts will be comeback so strong that other artists wont be able to outsell them and bruhh bts have the biggest fandom in the world like go and bark in the wall..bye

@Divsx4

13 күн бұрын

are u high most of the reports that are releaswd by bb charts us or global BTs ranked top in us charts they have even set more records of longest charts by beating Beatles or any other respective artist than any other western artist they have even surprassed those western artists that you are talking about us played a great role in popularizing kpop u won't believe BTs used to be not so popular in SK bcuz they don't used to listen to their songs as much as other countries means through social platform that helped them a lot after receaving great responses from us tour skoreans also started looking forward to them now they called pride of sk

@nn-ms8jy

13 күн бұрын

@@virgie6983 so true he is definitely a bts hater

He’s lying. As an American I can say that Billboard and Grammy categorically exclude K-Pop artists from major categories. As ARMY nobody will ever be able to tell me that BTS’ group and individual works weren’t Billboard and Grammy worthy. For years they did the same thing to Hip-Hop artists. And they’re still denying Beyoncé a Best Album Grammy. You can’t tell me that Adele, Taylor Swift and Harry Styles (all White) makes better music than Beyoncé. And I’m not even a Beyoncé fan.

@EverRoxas

11 күн бұрын

Maybe ARMYS should stop caring so much about Billboard and the GRAMMYS? The world won't end if BTS doesn't get every award...

@satyachowdary5291

10 күн бұрын

@@EverRoxas its not awards not only bts there are many artists who got sabotaged by billboard , even recently a black artist called out billboard for deleting 50k sales without any reason ,,, moreover BTS ARE 4TH MOST AWARDED ARTIST IN THE WHOLE WORLD WITHOUT GRAMMYS