Failed MtG Mechanics - Phasing

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Phasing is an ability that was introduced in Mirage block, and was never directly revisited. However, phasing cards out has been used since, even if the keyword itself never actually came back. Today, we’re going to go over the mechanic, why it failed, and why it was eventually returned to in a different way
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  • @ronaldwayne7092
    @ronaldwayne70924 ай бұрын

    Bonus item to add: When phasing was originally printed, the rule specified that phasing would trigger leaves-play effects but not enters-play effects. This brought the world the ErTog deck, which used Ertai's Familiar to generate food for Necratog.

  • @coreyroberson4550

    @coreyroberson4550

    4 ай бұрын

    That rule also led to infinite turn decks with Wormfang Manta (phase it out with Vodalian Illusionist or Vanishing, then do it again). I built the deck, and about 2-4 months later, they changed the rule so it didn't trigger anything at all.

  • @RelicSeeker

    @RelicSeeker

    4 ай бұрын

    Ertai’s Familiar does still work, though, since it received errata to trigger on LTB or phasing out

  • @girththeogre

    @girththeogre

    3 ай бұрын

    That at least explains phasing's purpose a little. lol I still don't get the point of phasing in current day Magic...

  • @kennydarmawan13
    @kennydarmawan134 ай бұрын

    A reminder that Oubliette had been errata'd to be a card that banishes by phasing. Rather unnoteworthy, but still a viable card nonetheless.

  • @dzspdref
    @dzspdref4 ай бұрын

    You also forgot to mention Oubliette from Arabian Nights, the FIRST phasing card (even though they didn't have a word for it yet back then, but they do now)

  • @shyumby

    @shyumby

    4 ай бұрын

    it wasn't realy phasing whe it was printed

  • @aptiryp2682
    @aptiryp26824 ай бұрын

    As a Dodge mechanic, phasing is really easy to use, and it was even very early on. I actually didn't know about dreadnoughts with phasing. But a friend of mine played sneak attack with Teferie's Vail. He played his dragons with sneak attack from the hand, attacked directly by the haste of the sneak attack, and in the "end of combat" they phased out from Teferie's Vail. Phased out they dodge the "end of turn" trigger of the sneak attack, since they did not had vigilance, they would not be able to block anyway, and they and they were even protected from sorcery speed removal. That was really a strong combo synergie.

  • @DAsrada
    @DAsrada4 ай бұрын

    The Blue Enchantment that phases your creature out for UU also happens to be completely, nerve-wrackingly aggravating in a Narset Enlightened Master Auras deck, and turns each and every "No I won't pay the 2" on a Smothering Tithe into a betrayal.

  • @SSolemn
    @SSolemn4 ай бұрын

    Phase out cards are my favorite (Slip out the back, March of Swirling Mist, Vanish, Teferi's Veil) 💙✨

  • @BobBoican

    @BobBoican

    4 ай бұрын

    Slip out the Back is one of my favourites too, so much versatility and strategy in such a simple card!

  • @phyrexian_dude4645
    @phyrexian_dude46454 ай бұрын

    In defense of Taniwha, it found a good home as one of the best creatures you can put in a Jon Irenicus deck.

  • @derHexenhammer
    @derHexenhammer4 ай бұрын

    Phasing on a permanent is trash. Phasing as an effect is good. I built a "Phasing" deck back in 2000. It was amazing, and was amazing until mana burn was removed. It used equipoise, Teferi's realm to disrupt normal game play long enough to get sands of time (stops phasing by skipping untap steps) and using Chimeric idol to ensure my lands were tapped each turn cycle. And to ensure victory I would use vision Charm to phase my sands of time at the end of opponents turn allowing me to phase everything in and still keeping everything of the opponents phased out.

  • @lampostsamurai2518

    @lampostsamurai2518

    4 ай бұрын

    Phasing as an effect is pretty fucking cool tbh

  • @Humandefect

    @Humandefect

    4 ай бұрын

    "Mandatory" phasing on permanent is trash. Ability to phase in and out is pretty balanced with the right mana cost. That gives me an idea why not just change phasing into phasing 1 or some number that lets you pay mana to phase creature instead of mandatory

  • @fgzgeimv8u
    @fgzgeimv8u4 ай бұрын

    Rainbow Efreet was played in standard and old extended.

  • @storytellerrex3635
    @storytellerrex36354 ай бұрын

    early for new mana logs woo keep up the great work man

  • @througtonsheirs_doctorwhol5914
    @througtonsheirs_doctorwhol59144 ай бұрын

    in Casual multiplayer commander (not in cEDH evidently) the SILENT (renegade Silenbt) is a GREAT example of phasing. Cuz they goad the opponent, get a +1/+1 and phase out. So the opponent hits somebody else with the goaded creature. Wchich damages an opponent and/or makes the target lose a character possibly to thge goated status if it wasn't a warrior type

  • @qriist1850
    @qriist18504 ай бұрын

    Phasing also saves tokens in a way that flicker cannot.

  • @Rucarlos
    @Rucarlos3 ай бұрын

    Blue March shows the versatility potential of Phasing as an offensive and defensive measure. I wish we had more cards like that

  • @CeleTheRef
    @CeleTheRef4 ай бұрын

    thanks this is interesting see this worked in day!

  • @randommaster06
    @randommaster064 ай бұрын

    One thing that wasn't mentioned was how the rules for phasing changed over the years. For example, it used to trigger "leaves play" abilities, but not "comes into play" ones. Phasing only got put on modern cards once the rules had been hammered out and stopped changing every couple of years.

  • @Grunge1791

    @Grunge1791

    4 ай бұрын

    The "Leaves Play" triggers made it useful to have creatures like Floodgate and give them Phasing. You could also play your Phasing creatures so they all phased out on the same turn, then use a Wrath effect and retain your less powerful team while wiping the enemies board.

  • @randommaster06

    @randommaster06

    4 ай бұрын

    @@Grunge1791 You could take a bunch of turns with Wormfang Mant's ability. The Manta would even conveniently come back each turn.

  • @nathandoyle8852
    @nathandoyle88524 ай бұрын

    You forgot rainbow efreet. Best legacy wincon ever for a solid blue control deck. People would have to stop to read it, then still not really get it.

  • @dstreetz91
    @dstreetz914 ай бұрын

    Usually the phase out card of choice for dreadnought was vision charm. It costed just U so it mimics stifle, but also serves as protection in case of a removal spell for dreadnought. Would see legacy play back before 2010 now and then as that was when dreadstill was at the height of it's popularity before falling to the wayside. Even in those days it wasn't particularly good as a deck either though some people really liked playing it.

  • @7Alberto7
    @7Alberto74 ай бұрын

    Amazing!!!!

  • @Redtalun
    @Redtalun21 күн бұрын

    @TheManaLogs pardon my ignorance, but for Taniwha, wouldn't you still have access to mana each turn since you could tap all your lands right before they phase out during your upkeep? You still wouldn't have access to your lands or countermagic on opponent's turn but at least you still get to play all of your turns.

  • @DuelingDragonAdventures
    @DuelingDragonAdventures4 ай бұрын

    Rainbow Efreet. Still playable imo

  • @aurorarieger8041
    @aurorarieger80414 ай бұрын

    I LOVE YOU THEMANALOGS

  • @GH-un9uz
    @GH-un9uz4 ай бұрын

    While the keyword "phasing" was not good at all, the actual mechanic of creatures not existing has seen tournament success. Rainbow efreet saw standard play as an evasive attacker for a mono-blue control deck, and oubliette was once an iconic(ly expensive) card in pauper.

  • @Sunborne187
    @Sunborne1874 ай бұрын

    The thing about Fenetic efreet is that it will never die, because you can just flip a coin in response to a lost flip until you win, the won trigger will resolve first, phasing the efreet out before it can be sacrificed

  • @themanalogs7876

    @themanalogs7876

    4 ай бұрын

    Unfortunately, this is not how the ability works. Phasing out/sacrificing the Efreet is all a part of the ability's resolution, along with actually flipping the coin. Essentially, this means they all have to happen at once. You won't get to know the result of a coin flip until it's too late.

  • @Sunborne187

    @Sunborne187

    4 ай бұрын

    meh

  • @shyumby
    @shyumby4 ай бұрын

    slow flicker bugged me so much, i'm so used to say blink if it just happens and flicker if it comes back at eot

  • @Lucat_the_Nerd

    @Lucat_the_Nerd

    4 ай бұрын

    I always used the opposite.

  • @shyumby

    @shyumby

    4 ай бұрын

    funny@@Lucat_the_Nerd

  • @PhoenicopterusR

    @PhoenicopterusR

    Ай бұрын

    I always said the opposite, too, because, as I understood it, the original Flicker had the target return right away. Then blink got EoT by process of elimination.

  • @MCFGHA
    @MCFGHA4 ай бұрын

    What about best/worst 3 or 4 color comanders?

  • @TheRealBitterbub
    @TheRealBitterbub4 ай бұрын

    "Phasing has never come back" *Teferi's Protection:* "Am I a joke to you?"

  • @U1TR4F0RCE

    @U1TR4F0RCE

    4 ай бұрын

    Isn’t teferi’s protection phases out instead?

  • @TheRealBitterbub

    @TheRealBitterbub

    4 ай бұрын

    @@U1TR4F0RCE True, I was just thinking of cards that are specifically about cards phasing in or out, instead of "Phases in / out"

  • @joshuaboniface

    @joshuaboniface

    4 ай бұрын

    @@TheRealBitterbub He basically spends the second half of the video addressing this... "Phasing" as a singular keyword ability that affects permanents and does the in-out-in-out every turn is terrible and has never been revisited since Mirage block. "Phases out" as a pseudo-keyword action has come back, e.g. TefPro.

  • @SuperTheNobody
    @SuperTheNobody4 ай бұрын

    another bizarre difference between phasing and slow flickering is that the latter can be interacted with using eldrazi processors

  • @melvinshine9841
    @melvinshine98414 ай бұрын

    So, initially, phasing was kind like an even worse version of Spirit monsters bouncing themselves to hand during the End Phase. Idris Elba's Protection is kind of nutty, just remove your whole board for the turn, you can't die, and you bring all your stuff back.

  • @Atmapalazzo

    @Atmapalazzo

    4 ай бұрын

    Oh thank God I'm not the only person who sees it.

  • @AwakenedAvocado
    @AwakenedAvocado4 ай бұрын

    Phasing in and out like an absent parent from their childs life.

  • @MiniBrad
    @MiniBrad4 ай бұрын

    Can you please do a failed mechanics video on Bushido?

  • @bjarnivalur6330
    @bjarnivalur63304 ай бұрын

    Hay, could you talk about the _"Craft with"_ mechanic? most of the craft cards are way to slow or just useless but a hand full seem like they could be borderline broken and yet I've never seen them in play, Is the mechanic just too slow to work?

  • @T4N7
    @T4N74 ай бұрын

    How did u not mention Vanishing? It is the only card to make things phase out from back then that still sees a bunch of play in EDH, especially as a staple for Zur the Enchanter decks

  • @Melvinvanharn
    @Melvinvanharn4 ай бұрын

    When Mirage block was standard legal, very few phasing cards saw standard play. Tereri's Imp and Ertai's Familiar saw a little bit of play in graveyard fueled decks with Necratog and Circling Vultures. Shimmering Efreet wasn't horrible, as it could remove a blocker(but then you also lost an attacker, and your own blocker, so it was kind of a wash). Video completely misses Rainbow Efreet, which was Randy Bubleher's only creature in his 98 World's deck. Largely, phasing creatures were, for the reasons mentioned in this video. I think Vaporous Djinn MIGHT have been playable but was probably outclassed by Waterspout Djinn

  • @elsewhereprince3969
    @elsewhereprince39694 ай бұрын

    Something I’m curious about is how viable is a creature that phases out instead of leaving the battlefield?

  • @kozad86
    @kozad864 ай бұрын

    Wither deserves a video.

  • @Alice-oq4jm
    @Alice-oq4jm19 күн бұрын

    It’s back now with haystack in acr

  • @cris5555
    @cris55554 ай бұрын

    My theory is that they brought back phasing because it is easier to learn the mechanic now that MTG Arena exists.

  • @Atmapalazzo

    @Atmapalazzo

    4 ай бұрын

    They originally were looking for a method other than bounce to give blue for removal and landed on streamlining how phasing works IIRC.

  • @andrewbedwell8186
    @andrewbedwell81864 ай бұрын

    Ephemerate is a blink effect, not a flicker effect

  • @prycenewberg3976
    @prycenewberg39764 ай бұрын

    I think Phasing may have been... better if every Phasing creature also had haste. As it is, they effectively act like they suffer two turns of summoning sickness. I'm really tempted to playtest that and see if the creatures are better that way...

  • @TheSpiritombsableye
    @TheSpiritombsableye4 ай бұрын

    In Maori, "wh" is pronounced as an "F". This it is pronounced as Tanifa.

  • @TripQuist99
    @TripQuist994 ай бұрын

    So how does phasing fail?

  • @williamdrum9899

    @williamdrum9899

    4 ай бұрын

    It's too slow.

  • @rulushe85
    @rulushe854 ай бұрын

    They literally brought it back as a new name

  • @BigBuckies

    @BigBuckies

    4 ай бұрын

    why do so many ppl comment before watching the video? this is literally brought up halfway in, you just sound like an idiot with the full context of the video

  • @ignaciojaramarin3363
    @ignaciojaramarin33634 ай бұрын

    you forgot oubliette D:

  • @TeaHauss
    @TeaHauss4 ай бұрын

    So theoretically, the most annoying creature would have hexproof, indestructible, and an activated ability that phases it out. Scary thought 😅

  • @TheAceOfFire
    @TheAceOfFire4 ай бұрын

    3:38, if you give this monster to another player it's kind of hilarious!

  • @burningpapersun1
    @burningpapersun14 ай бұрын

    I beat someone with a meandering towershell one day. It was a miracle.

  • @bch9124
    @bch91244 ай бұрын

    /fren et tik/

  • @7upac
    @7upac3 ай бұрын

    You say failed I say untapped potential

  • @Atmapalazzo
    @Atmapalazzo4 ай бұрын

    Phasing isn't hard to understand at all. The card just ceases to exist. No leaving, no entering, no memory issues. That makes the minutia much easier to understand than a flicker.

  • @Jebjeb
    @Jebjeb4 ай бұрын

    Here to say Taniwha is pronounced tani-far. Its a mythical creature from Maori legend, so a wha makes a far sound.

  • @eulefranz944
    @eulefranz9444 ай бұрын

    Commentators literally cannont listen/ read. Phasing as an ability doesn't appear again. Phase out creatures/ target/ wheatever like teferis protection, march of swirling mist or guardian of faith exist. But not a creature with the keyword phasing..

  • @Deh9o11en8or

    @Deh9o11en8or

    4 ай бұрын

    If you count unsets there's old fogey but he's not tournament legal

  • @akihitokoizumi2474

    @akihitokoizumi2474

    4 ай бұрын

    Sad that a lot of people are like this these days. They form an opinion and ignore any facts in the video.

  • @dzspdref
    @dzspdref4 ай бұрын

    14:35 it doesn't "force" anyone to learn a new rule; they should already be familiar with it and understand it when they are taught the game. Blame the teacher of the student, but inherently, they are not forced to learn it, they should have already learned it themselves (or now will learn it when they experience it for the first time and will re-educate themselves later to be more familiar with it)

  • @fernandobanda5734

    @fernandobanda5734

    4 ай бұрын

    Phasing out has specific rulings that need to be learned. What are you talking about?

  • @lachlank.8270

    @lachlank.8270

    4 ай бұрын

    MtG is stupidly complicated and requires months to learn properly

  • @fastydave

    @fastydave

    4 ай бұрын

    ​@@lachlank.8270we call that a skill issue

  • @axis8396
    @axis83964 ай бұрын

    So what your saying is Phasing was... phased out of the game

  • @philiphunt-bull5817
    @philiphunt-bull58174 ай бұрын

    Why do you pronounce things wrong so frequently???

  • @MrAlexmasi
    @MrAlexmasi4 ай бұрын

    Failed KZread Channels - TheManaLogs

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