I love how he's like "I can't believe I have to pay for the whole trip myself"

@leggonarm9835

2 жыл бұрын

He likely ended up in trouble after this after not paying his debts and ended up in debtors' prison, I'd be upset too if I was punished for my good deeds.

@Petey0707

2 жыл бұрын

honestly idk what he expected? it was a fantastic thing but he comes off as a bit naïve

@iggyharl5780

2 жыл бұрын

@@Petey0707 idk if he was an official diplomat then whoever sent him should pay, idk that's how we do it today lol

@Jason.cbr1000rr

2 жыл бұрын

@@Petey0707 dmb as minorites and coloured ppl thats why.

@regina0273

2 жыл бұрын

@@Jason.cbr1000rr mkay

Without money and friends and yet his contribution to history is priceless!

@patwest1815

2 жыл бұрын

I would rather have money and friends, history means nothing to the dead, but it was a good story.

@leftistethan7346

2 жыл бұрын

@@patwest1815 money and friends also mean nothing when you’re dead. Being immortalized in history is a way of extending ones life and/or having an impact on humanities destiny.

@Kameeho

2 жыл бұрын

@@leftistethan7346 It is neither about having money, friends nor leaving a mark in history that matters. What matters is keeping yourself alive and well. Who's to say that Halfdan who carved his name in Hagia Sofia is better than the other Varangians who stood guard at the palace? Who's to say that the wealthy Merchant who amassed a great fortune, went by in history without a single mention, despite being maybe the one person who funded a innovation so great it changed mankind forever. Who's to say that the a person with friends and connections that spands an entire empire if not beyond, might be the one thing that connected 2 important people destined to change a nation as it was once known. Every human being who was alive, was just as important to the past and our future. Simply being noticed doesn't make you any more or less important than anyone else. Who knows how many unsung heroes, and villains that might have existed that changed the path of mankind to what we know it today. History itself is great. and what makes it better is hearing all these voices of the past have a say in how they lived their lives. Be it a highly decorated official, to a simple farmer living out his day to day life. And it is what I think makes this channel so great. It simply digs up something that isn't commonly known, and reads it for us, giving a voice a to those who lived in the past, for us in the future to have a bit of insight how their lives were.

@kungfutzu3779

2 жыл бұрын

i want to hear how things worked out for him after that

@kungfutzu3779

2 жыл бұрын

an answer to spasjt on this page gives an answer to my question

As a Cherokee citizen, thank you for taking the time to create this video. Thank you for preserving and sharing our history for future generations.

This must have been one hell of a experience. Makes you wonder how would Ostenaco (Ustanaqua) and the the other Cherokee describe it themselves.

@69SalterStreet

2 жыл бұрын

I'd love a video comparing and contrasting

@kyonkochan

2 жыл бұрын

They should make the modern monarch of the UK smoke a pipe with Cherokee today to make up for a lost opportunity.

@pellaxestorba4836

2 жыл бұрын

@@kyonkochan Nobody makes his Highness do any such thing. Be thankful His Majesty offers you his hand to kiss. Run along now, scoundrel.

@ericb-amuur9897

2 жыл бұрын

I'm Cherokee, there's a reason you see English names in old documents. The ancient Scots and Picts and native Americans are cousins. Read Ancient and Modern Britons.

@DarthMatusHolocron

2 жыл бұрын

@@kyonkochan yeah except the time has passed. There's barely any full blooded Cherokee left. Most of the Nation are dregs like myself, whose last full blooded relative was a grandmother. We go unnamed, the language fading away, the culture holding by its fucking fingernails. I think in all of my home state there were 27 full blooded Cherokee in total.

history is much more interesting than fiction at times

@loganstroganoff1284

2 жыл бұрын

Always in my opinion. ☝

@greenanon4984

2 жыл бұрын

You should read White Gold. History is crazy.

@mhdfrb9971

2 жыл бұрын

Just like the first europeans that genocide the native

@colejones6312

2 жыл бұрын

@@mhdfrb9971 If you're Japanese or Chinese, you have no right to speak.

@williamstephens9945

2 жыл бұрын

All the time.

I'm italian and I can't understand very well spoken english. Your channel is amazing, but I think that a lot of people around the world are in my condition. Adding only english subs is enough to improve the comprehension. Thanks!

@arrow1414

2 жыл бұрын

If you learn English from voices of the past, you will be far more eloquent than the average Britain or American give how much more elegant the English language was 150 years and more in the past! Perhaps even most of today's modern upper class Posh British can't speak so well.

@BOBofGH

2 жыл бұрын

Press CC

@FrancescoCostaMerlara

2 жыл бұрын

@@BOBofGH Often the auto-generated subtitles are not so good...

@alejandrobolanos4655

2 жыл бұрын

@@FrancescoCostaMerlara here they work wonders because the reader is very clear

@Awakeningspirit20

2 жыл бұрын

In all fairness, we native speakers can't quite follow it either lol. I've heard this sort of thing from native speakers of languages I've studied, like Spanish and Portuguese, that they can't really follow antiquated versions of their own languages either. This is extremely dated English that you'd hear no American speaking unless they were some weirdo like me trying to channel the essence of a bygone time, and I wouldn't even go this far back. One thing you should understand about English is that, unlike Italian or Romance languages, you can only understand it going back about 600 years, if even that. English has been thought to be the world' biggest creole language, lacking a lot of the rules of other languages and ever-evolving... it and French are two sides of the same coin, a Germanic and Romance language, respectively, that warped heavily in the direction of the rival language group over time. I'm sure you Italians could understand Italian from 1000 years ago or more. From what I've seen, antiquated English is far harder to understand than would be antiquated Spanish or Italian. The older you go, the more Germanic English becomes (so, like Dutch), and so the less intelligible it would be to a modern speaker unless they really harnessed the essence of the language. I actually like older Spanish way better because it makes more sense! But older English really messes with the brain even for native speakers, especially the way these British noble types spoke and wrote it. You'll never hear an American use the word "seldom," nor (or 'nor') even grammatically-correct words like 'whom'. Whom gets used a lot more than seldom would be, but we almost have a tendency to ridicule this and be like "oh, 'WHOM,' ok, Shakespeare!".

"Without money or friends..." If only you know how many potential friends you might have gotten in the future for writing this.

@ammagnolia

Жыл бұрын

People are saying he wrote it.... Because he was thrown in jail for all those debts and was writing a letter to someone explaining this whole thing wasn't his fault. The he died before someone could get to him. But the letter survived. I guess he made us as friends

I like this guy describing how the indians were getting drunk and committed "irregularities" but was quick to lay blame, not at the indians feet, but on those who got them drunk. Granted a person should control themselves but the cultural customs of the Cherokee meant they did not know they were doing anything wrong. Also, I wonder what happened to this guy. He was effectively broke, had no friends in England, and no way to get back to his profitable business across the sea! Any history detectives out there?

@decem_sagittae

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, he was arrested for not paying his debts and thrown in prison.

@DSFARGEG00

2 жыл бұрын

Since he couldn't pay an outstanding lodging bill, he was arrested and thrown in prison, where he died some months later of that same year. An ignominious end, to be sure.

@decem_sagittae

2 жыл бұрын

He probably wrote his memoirs in prison. The memoirs from which this video quotes.

@davidgonzalez-herrera2980

2 жыл бұрын

What a sad cruel ending. God bless him.

@ModernDayRenaissanceMan

2 жыл бұрын

This is actually what I was looking for. No good deed goes unpunished. He was asked to do a charge/favor & when he did - he ended up in jail for it. The tone of the written word seems like he is trying to convince someone "Hey ... This isn't my fault or theirs, go get that other guy who sent me." So it would seem it was written after he was in prison. Very sad.

I'm a Cherokee descendant with Anglo-Irish roots as well. I laughed and smiled throughout this entire video. I love History and my people so this was a great experience. Wado unalii!

@krono5el

2 жыл бұрын

the Celts\druids before the church killed them all, the original people in Ireland or Ur might have a greater connection with the natives of the Americas than most know about.

@ruzzsverion2728

2 жыл бұрын

Your people? Wich one? The native or the European?

@swordartonline6719

2 жыл бұрын

@@ruzzsverion2728 lol European definitely 🤣

@lennon39909

2 жыл бұрын

@@ruzzsverion2728 ireland isnt european we were enslaved and contolled by european nd british colonialism. Go study history bro.

@ruzzsverion2728

2 жыл бұрын

@@lennon39909 You are right, Irish are Africans, be so kind and piss off there.

English: -This is our finest architectural achievement, the cathedral! Fall before it's awe! Natives: -It's ok, I guess.

@TheMarshmelloKing

Жыл бұрын

I fall before it’s awe and i’m not indian

I can't believe they refused to compensate the guy for his troubles! Anyways, a great account of an otherwise unknown Native American visit to England.

@MajorCoolD

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah he should have probably mentioned that when they had their audience with the King. Naturally it always looks bad to ask for money in the face of majesty... but people of lesser fortunes and divine favour have to see how to make ends meet. He could have also argued that this would go a great deal as the Cherokee seemed to be positively impressed and amazed (if not awed) by most they saw and the sheer commercial and martial might at their disposal. Therefore making further hostilites less likely and the Cherokee to be reliable allies and trade-partners and potentially loyal subjects to the crown in their own right in due time. Alas... this was just as badly mismanaged as a few other things.

@ammagnolia

Жыл бұрын

Some things don't change

Our New Zealand Ancestor Ngāpuhi Chiefs have some awesome stories of visiting England as well during the 1820s

Fascinating. Nice work!

@HistoryDose

2 жыл бұрын

@PJ Rivera we’ve got a collab coming out in a few months!

Your channel is fascinating. It's not just history, but the perceptions of it through the unique perspectives of the people of that time. I'm so happy to have stumbled upon your content, and even more I'm excited that you've made sure that these voices are not lost to time and memory. Thank you for the work that you do!!

"The Cherokee were refused an audience and sent back in March 1765, with Timberlake remaining in London as he was arrested for failing to pay the bill for the lodging of himself and the Cherokees." The memoirs of Lieut. Henry Timberlake

@lawrencek1900

2 жыл бұрын

That was a second visit

@kungfutzu3779

2 жыл бұрын

whatever happened in 3 years to sour the relationship so badly?

@Jason.cbr1000rr

2 жыл бұрын

@@kungfutzu3779 probs money

Needs to be a movie. BTW my late wife was a direct descendant of Ostanaco

@beliallordoflies7121

2 жыл бұрын

Better than a Hatfield

@chestersabajo5527

2 жыл бұрын

Lol

@fenderman1984

Жыл бұрын

I would watch the hell out of this movie

We tend to demonize christian missionaries in my culture as part of colonialist oppression. But you can hear that this man had great compassion and admiration for them.

@tristanbackup2536

2 жыл бұрын

All comes down to individuals. Some missionaries tried with force which was never ok & others lived with the tribes, learnt their langauge, culture & hunting.

@pellaxestorba4836

2 жыл бұрын

Amen.

@LOLERXP

2 жыл бұрын

@@tristanbackup2536 It's not a some & others issue, nor does it come down to individuals in all but the exceptions. That's a vast extenuation.

@crimsonlightbinder

2 жыл бұрын

you demonize them because pubblic discourse is occupied by left wing narratives where everything the "white european" did was and is wrong, which of course, isn't. It's in each and every one of us to take a stance and say, wait a minute, that's blatantly a lie and we speak of western civilization for a reason.

@spasjt

2 жыл бұрын

@@yossariandunbar2829 Wonderful comment.

These videos are so interesting, I always have them on in the background, thank you for making them!

I have some rare interesting books on my people the Cherokees. I wish I could upload them somehow. Unfortunately, the tribe didn't document anything prior to the Spanish coming in the 1500s but we have records from a different tribe stating that they were at war with the Cherokees for years before they left to settle in what we think of as their "original" homeland.

@benjamingrist6539

2 жыл бұрын

The tribes surrounding the Cherokee speak Mississippian languages. However, the Cherokee speak an Iroquoian language. This suggests that the Cherokee moved down the mountains from somewhere around upstate New York and invaded the Mississippian Empire while it was in decline.

@DeanBrah

2 жыл бұрын

Optical character recognition apps can transcribe whole books about as fast as you can turn pages

@2anthro

2 жыл бұрын

Curious why you use the plural Cherokee(s) instead of Cherokee. Is that how the plural is spoken in the language? Thank you.

Very fascinated with the idea they didn't like the statue of Hercules with his club and basically wanted to get away from it. As a totem or idol I don't blame them for not wanting to be near it. Can't help but wonder what it signified to them, or brought to mind.

@perfectplayingplaids

2 жыл бұрын

My guess is that it probably reminded them of a man with a club 🤔

@Jim-Mc

2 жыл бұрын

@@perfectplayingplaids oh man, nothing is ever just "a guy."

@perfectplayingplaids

2 жыл бұрын

@@Jim-Mc Fair enough, he is a demigod after all

@Loth440

2 жыл бұрын

May have reminded them of the stories they've heard of troubles with giants in ancient times.

@lilahdog568

2 жыл бұрын

It brought to mind someone putting a beating on someone else.

I would be interested to see Rama V's visit to Europe. In my country, he is the first king to ever set foot out of country so I'd like to see a video about that. :)

7:16 This man just inadvertently predicted the Cherokee casinos...

Really a beautiful story, thanks a lot for everything you produce, this is.quickly becoming my favourite channel.

That ending line got me

@meaningfulmindfulness15

2 жыл бұрын

Dude, yeah it got me too. He bonded with them for sure with all that traveling. I'm Comanche and all, but find connection in this. Fascinating historical accounts where it shows how we all are capable of standing by one another, instead of against each other. Despite the hate I've gotten from white people before, I have quite a few white brothers and sisters who are close in my life and that I wouldn't think twice to have their back. Seeing these things makes me feel better when I'm feeling like shit. 🦎

@TheMrShnickers

2 жыл бұрын

@@meaningfulmindfulness15 you come from a strong and fascinating people, I’ve been reading about Comanche history, they’re one of the most interesting tribes to know. It’s stories like the video that reminds that not everything was him against them mentality

This channel is so awesome! Keep these coming forever. Primary sources!

The Royal Proclamation of 1763 was issued by King George III on 7 October 1763. It followed the Treaty of Paris (1763), which formally ended the Seven Years' War and transferred French territory in North America to Great Britain.[1] The Proclamation forbade all settlements west of a line drawn along the Appalachian Mountains, which was delineated as an Indian Reserve.[2] Exclusion from the vast region of Trans-Appalachia created discontent between Britain and colonial land speculators and potential settlers. The proclamation and access to western lands was one of the first significant areas of dispute between Britain

@kungfutzu3779

2 жыл бұрын

missing part of post

@ToastytheG

2 жыл бұрын

I think he means between britain and the US. The royal proclamation ended up being waaaaay more than the brits could hold up in a bargain, and they ended up reneging on a lot of the promises therein.

Easily one of my favorite channels on KZread!

ALWAYS a fantastic journey of words and mind Merry Christmas to all

Gotta like every video and spread the word. Great channel

Congratulations Voices of the Past of coming up with such an original idea for videos and growing from just a handful of subscribers to over 460,000. I really only expected you to have a small following because of the nature of your subject matter, but time has shown that there are many more people interested in hearing directly from the voices of the past than I could have imagined.

@niclasnyberg4173

2 жыл бұрын

Just crunched some math and 460000 is only .0000575% of the population. I get what you're saying though

04:00 I see a lot of media about the witch hunts in Salem but to be honest it feels wholely unwarranted. I would personally be more invested in the epicentre of the witch hunts, the Holy Roman Empire and more specifically witch hunts in Switzerland.

@TheSaneHatter

2 жыл бұрын

It's true that the Salem outbreak was actually atypical of the times, and occurred well after the heyday of witch-hunting in European culture. That, in turn, is why it caused so much shock and horror when many worse deeds earlier in history are overlooked. This fact isn't emphasized enough in histories of the incident.

@natashabaars5030

2 жыл бұрын

I live in a swiss town where we still have a "witch tower" (Hexenturm in German) 😶 In case you're interested to learn more

That's monk's mound Cahokia Illinois. I'm from Illinois. I love the Cahokia mounds

This was the best story, I've heard all year.

Well the oldest encampment on the continent in the current US is SEavy Island between New Hampshire and Maine and has been occupied sine before 1500 by English and Welsh every spring , summer and autumn with ifshing boats and salting and smoking racks. Only returning each seasons end with ful catches of salted andsmoked and dried fish to sell in London.

@waltonsmith7210

2 жыл бұрын

So there's really a part of US soil where englishmen set foot before the year 1500?

Not specified in the question, but it may be of interest. The oldest continually occupied city in the United States, is Childersburg, Alabama. It was formerly known as "Coosa" and was a Native American city before it was taken over by European descendants, after the natives were removed to Oklahoma.

@bobbilaval6171

2 жыл бұрын

There are Pueblos in the Southwest that would make the same claim.

@kungfutzu3779

2 жыл бұрын

what's the official definition of a "city" ?

@ems7623

2 жыл бұрын

@@kungfutzu3779 There is no governing body determining the definition of a city in American history. So, you're stuck with the one used by archeologists and historians - a settled community (as in, not nomadic) that relies on agriculture and/or livestock more than hunting and gathering, and has government and a social class system which divides social roles and labor. These criteria mean that a city would have to have a population size large enough to divide into groups and large enough to require organized governing institutions - relevant to the overall population of whatever era it is in. That said, there are other definitions of city from one culture to another - and some nations, such as Britain, do have official processes for determining whether a place is a city, a town or just a village.

@kungfutzu3779

2 жыл бұрын

@@ems7623 thanks. i note your definition doesn't specify how formal those social divisions are, so it occurs to me even a village if there's ANY division of labour might meet the description

@sparky6086

2 жыл бұрын

@@bobbilaval6171 Were those cities "continually occupied"? Weren't there periods, where those towns out West were deserted for many years?

i love the videos where somebody describes something from the past

Living in Plymouth, I really want to know where they stayed when they arrived

This is an amazing job 👍👍.

By the sounds of it the Cherokee who were with him appear to be like any other persons, accepting of all food and drink when people offer it to them and allowing themselves to be a bit wild and rough while away from home 🤣

@MrAnperm

2 жыл бұрын

It's definitely how I behave when I'm travelling.

We need more content please!

I appreciate you showing standpoints thought so commonly not to exist, such as white people who weren't just immediately brutalizing Native Americans. While we cannot deny such horrible things happened, it's also important to share stories hiding in the background. The uncommon and even uplifting.

@forgetful9845

2 жыл бұрын

I mean i think most people know that white people interacted in various ways with the natives

@arrow1414

2 жыл бұрын

Yes but the sad thing is that these are the Cherokee, who will later said to be one of the five so called "civilized tribes" in that they would adopt many of the white man's ways of living including wearing European clothes and starting their own newspaper in their American towns. It didn't stop them some 70-odd years later from being evicted from their homes by President Jackson starting in 1831 and forced to migrate over a thousand miles from Georgia to the Oklahoma territory (despite the Supreme Court ruling in the Cherokee's favor to stop the eviction) on the "Trail of Tears".

@forgetful9845

2 жыл бұрын

@@arrow1414 Yeah it is sad, its sad SCOTUS provided no means to enforce their ruling

@TheSaneHatter

2 жыл бұрын

@@arrow1414 You're missing the point: while everyone knows everything you just said (making it unnecessary for you to say it at all, quite frankly), WarArmour quite rightly points out that this injustice didn't represent *everyone's* point of view, even among the whites. Remembering that is as important as remembering injustices, because we need to build on something good in ourselves, and therefore we have to REMEMBER the good.

@arrow1414

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheSaneHatter I was not saying not to remember the good, but telling what would eventually happen to their people despite their efforts to assimilate. And indeed, not everyone knows about the Trail of Tears. It has a poignancy in light of their grandfathers seeing the King of Great Britain.

Great Video! The trip of the 4 Mohawk "Kings" to London in 1710 during the war of the Spanish Succession ("Kings" as the chiefs were called that by the London press at that time) would also make for a great video. They were initially 5 Mohawk chiefs (of seperate mohawk tribes) and shocked everyone by traveling to London personally instead of sending representatives. One of them even died on the cruise to England hence only 4 of them arriving in London. It's been some time since I worked on the topic but some historians in my faculty are still debating to this day if their speech to Queen Anne was faithfully interpreted by the interpreters of the colonies, or if the colonies had own goals in mind and translated their speech in a way to voice their needs rather than being faithful to the translation. There are some indicators for that. For example that they asked Queen Anne for ressources and soldiers for the colonies which is a weird request coming from the tribes that worry about the increasing number of colonists in North America and fear their borders won't be respected the more Europeans migrate to the colonies.

So great

I love hearing from people that was actually there in these points of history. You will often find the accounts are much different than what the narratives of them times are today.

Wow! I love your channel

The ad reminded me of the episode of finding your roots that had jeff daniels on it and his family had a connection to the witch trials that happened in new england such as the salem witch trials

Do you have any stories like this for Aboriginals from Australia or Maori. I would be very interested to listen to any stories about them going aboard after contact with euphoran contact or from their own perspective

It sounded like he said set off for Hampton from where we were in embark (2 minutes) Thats my hometown. Its east of Jamestown. Thats so cool

Santa Fe is the oldest established colony in America circa 1590ish, Great Video!!

@MegaFrankgarcia

2 жыл бұрын

@Lite-Wing Gift to be honest, Santa Fe, La Hispaniola, San Juan & other Spanish named places were probably all settled at about the same time, when the Spanish came to the Americas. The same can be said for the French in Canada. All these places were already inhabited regardless of who named then. Thx for the reply.

"committed several irregularities" lol

Ostenaco died at the home of his grandson, Richard Timberlake, the son of Henry Timberlake and Ostenaco's daughter, at Ooltewah in 1780. Happy Thanksgiving.

That was quite interesting.

King George should’ve smoked with the Chief!

@Wanderer628

2 жыл бұрын

Why? They are in his home and his customs matter just as much as the Chiefs.

@beliallordoflies7121

2 жыл бұрын

@@Wanderer628 just would've been a cool piece of history

@olivius8891

2 жыл бұрын

@@Wanderer628 It would be dope as hell.

Amazing chanel

Wow. The voice recording is in far better condition that I expected. Just kidding, great work. I'm not sure what I expected, but it wasn't so much debauchery and misbehaviour!!

7:15 some things never change.

I’m fascinated by this English guy. One of the only Anglo accounts that really seems to understand what’s really going on with the natives.

10:17 things haven't changed much since then, I'm still asking people this all the time! 😂😂

What is the oldest city in the United States? Depends if you mean the geographical area that is currently the united states, or the united states the country. Yes there were native cities older, but they weren't in the United States when they were cities were they? They were in Pueblo Nation, Navajo Nation, Cherokee nation... not in the United States. What's defines a city? City government? Minimum population 30,000? Continuously inhabited city or not? Lots of technical variables.

@TheSaneHatter

2 жыл бұрын

Indeed, I've been taught all my life (I'm 46) that St. Augustine is the oldest city in America (at least, the oldest one still inhabited), and was furthermore told that I needed to appreciate this as a matter of cultural awareness. The tone here is that this is now somehow considered ignorant or even racist, and that change of attitude just isn't fair.

@Sigmanovar

2 жыл бұрын

Yep,Atlanta use to be in Cherokee nation

@BrettonFerguson

2 жыл бұрын

Another video had an annoying non specific question "What was the greatest empire in the 17th century, the Dutch, Spanish, or Chinese?" It entirely depends on what greatest means. It's not a specific enough question. The Dutch were greatest by wealth. the Spanish were greatest by land occupied. The Chinese were greatest by population. So which was the greatest empire is also an annoying question IMO. Which is the oldest city in the United states depends on what you mean by city, and what you mean by in the united states. It isn't as big of an issue on internet videos, even though it is common, but non technical non specific questions like this are in school textbooks. There is no technically correct answer, but you have to pick the "correct" one to get a good grade.

@theEtch

2 жыл бұрын

city = bigger than whatever they had

@kungfutzu3779

2 жыл бұрын

@@BrettonFerguson a deliberately ambiguous word is used to deliberately open space for debate & discussion.

When your school admin refuses to cover the cost of your field trip:

Fort Mims was the largest massacre in the early American history. 500 people killed by red stick creek Indians near mobile Alabama. I'm sure the dead were a vast mix of friendly, creeks, blacks, Europeans as much intermarriage was common.

@pinchevulpes

2 жыл бұрын

The Narragansett were completely destroyed by early settlers in King Phillips war, which I’m sure is much more than 500 people.

@imout671

2 жыл бұрын

@@pinchevulpes particularly i was speaking of single day battles. Like 9/11, wounded knee, the biggest one day war in king Phillips war maybe 300 estimated dead that I'm aware of. There were several massacres of friendly Indians but none to my knowledge were near 500.

@pinchevulpes

2 жыл бұрын

@@imout671 no you were speaking in general terms.

@Georgieastra

2 жыл бұрын

St Cloud's Defeat aka The Battle of a Thousand Slain?

@imout671

2 жыл бұрын

@@pinchevulpes massacre is usually interpreted as a single instance of killing and thats how i used the word. You can't read minds so be polite.

15 shillings in 1762 is worth about 161 modern british pounds

Wait...interpreter's wife drowned him? Did I hear that right? lol!

@MrAnperm

2 жыл бұрын

She tried to sober him up.

As a native, we haven’t changed much🤣

@Menaceblue3

2 жыл бұрын

You mean the alcohol part?

@jimjimsauce

2 жыл бұрын

@@Menaceblue3 and the gambling

@dnxrru1176

2 жыл бұрын

@@bellacosmos607 eDgY

@GasSoakedRag

2 жыл бұрын

@@jimjimsauce seeking a good time

Really great video. From a quick google search it looks like he died in a debtors prison a few years later. Sad end.

@ToastytheG

2 жыл бұрын

Thank god the revolutionary war happened. Britain was beyond the pale in those days...

Sometimes I wonder if the impressions of Native American descriptions in diaries were people describing the culture shock or if Native Americans were really that mysterious. They always seem to be described as very stern, stoic people that never laugh.

As a suggestion, 1771's History of the Kingdom of Siam by F. H. Turpin, in which chronicles the events around the fall of the city of Ayutthaya by the Burmese in 1767.

9:02 - 'And I really believe few persons have more friends than Mr Wood.' I wonder if that means that the visitors had bribed Wood to obtain his permission to see the Cherokees or simply that they all lied to Timberlake that they were friends of Wood. The former would be typical of the British polity of those times as depicted in works by Tobias Smollett and others. As would be the government's total ingratitude and lack of recompense for a person like Timberlake who has taken upon himself such a responsible mission for Britain's benefit.

@helmholtzthemulewatson4763

2 жыл бұрын

I think it is left open to either interpretation intentionally. Like other parts of his log he makes it clear that he is not involved and stop short of accusing others with grace.

Dang! Left me hanging. How did he get back?

The Sinhalese people were also taken by all colonial rulers of Ceylon i.e. Portuguese (Lisbon), Dutch (Leiden and Amsterdam), and the British (London) at the height of colonial rule, mostly for purpose of religious conversion by Christian Missionaries. The accounts of their travel overseas to the centres of colonial power left by both themselves and Portuguese, Dutch and British Historians are fascinating and insightful.

Heartbreaking 😟

The first man pictured was Amatoya Kanagaota Moytoy of Chota my 9th great grandfather

Love the channel, do you happen to anything about Africa?

@Electronic424

2 жыл бұрын

Other than Egypt, Africa has little cultural history

@Anthony-of5jn

2 жыл бұрын

The entire continent?

@flopsymopsy7088

2 жыл бұрын

@@Electronic424 education about African culture is sorely lacking. Consider Sankore University in Timbuktu, Mali in 1300s had over 700,000 manuscripts, ancient Morocco University, the Benin bronzes stolen with many currently in Western museums are among the most intricate and exquisite works of art of any culture, the advanced culture of Zanzibar during the early spice trade, the Zulu culture, the role of Americans in Liberia, etc, etc. Google some of these places, you’ll be amazed at the richness of African cultures.

I am a student at William and Mary in Williamsburg. It’s cool to hear it mentioned in this video.

I live your videos,Salam alaikum from Pakistan friend.

Have you read all of his writings on the cherokee ppl? Where is that video at?

Which Native American "cities" are now a part of the United States?

@nicholasdye734

2 жыл бұрын

Ever heard of the Pueblo?

His indian spouse dunked him in but was unable to get him out 💀

People back in the old days really described things very elegantly, makes me wonder if people back then were as bad as we believe them to be today.

@perperson199

2 жыл бұрын

They weren't

Imagine if the American natives defeated the first colonists, took over their ships with captured European sailors and invaded UK. Impossible but cool alternative history to think about

Fascinating account

These videos give me hope for the future of humanity among so many that do the opposite. Thank you.

Hard to imagine that Ayutthaya (another place known for its cross-cultural exchanges) would fall on the other side of the world just five years later.

Is he the guy that they gave the turban to? Word is... They went over to England to meet the king and they didn't have proper attire, so the castle said "hey there was a delegation from India here last week and we still have their clothes".... That's how Cherokees started wearing the turban

3:43 Acoma and Taos would like a word.

You know in multiple choice if it’s none of the above that should be one of choices

I just had the strangest fucking experience listening to this. At about the 2:30 mark Is the sound effect of waves rushing and it only played through my right ear bud. This sound affect came on as soon as I was making a wide left turn and it discombobulated me like I was actually on a ship. Typing this now my head feels cloudy and I feel nauseous. That is so fucking weird how tricked my brain just was.

Im an infj and i wish to be an aspiring writer but im really my own worst enemy 😖 these stories give me inspiration so thank u.

@feral7523

2 жыл бұрын

If I was an infj I'd be struggling too?

@jt_norway9129

2 жыл бұрын

@@feral7523 not necessaceraly ❤️ but there Are certain cognitive functions that works better with certain professions 🙂

@feral7523

2 жыл бұрын

@@jt_norway9129 Good look with the writing 🤞👍

Im fascinated by the maritime histoy of tobacco. I can't remember where I read accounts of natives jumping overboard attemping to swim to land or islands nearby. Their affinity was much more than for religious and recreational purposes. Its was a chemical dependency. Imagine the horror of a voyage of withdrawals. 😬

I suggest looking at the crime log- of the equivalent there of at the time of the Salem hunts. Many of the ‘witches’ were accused of murdering their husbands and other crimes- I don’t remember the men to women ratio but that’s a detail that isn’t quite mentioned.

Speaking of the Salem Witch Trials... I'm directly descended from Sarah Osborne, the first Witch to die (in prison) during the SWT.

9 grandson of oconostata one of the Cherokee who meet the king and I haven’t ever heard this side of the story! I feel bad for the guy who went broke 😂 I’d been like no! You’re cut off!

Outta sight!

As a fellow American, I’m disappointed in the lack of disses toward the gloomy English weather

@lese91

2 жыл бұрын

@Barbie Blues idk, the lack of sun just does something really negative to my mental health compared to cold and bright. in saying that, english architecture and historical buildings are incredible, so if you’re someone who isn’t bothered by the lack of sun, you’re winning.

"they were very given to drinking and gambling" Hmmmm

I wonder what the whole quiet talking thing was about.

I wonder if the Cherokee took advantage of a feast because they were used to preparing for famine.

@shiverarts8284

2 жыл бұрын

That's what the Europeans were doing in the Americas, while we were hand feeding you at thanksgiving... by the way happy thanksgiving

@jakefitzsimmons1213

2 жыл бұрын

@@shiverarts8284 that's not what happened

@skyworm8006

2 жыл бұрын

Not famine exactly just that they probably didn't have the abundance to develop a culture of restraint. Also, gluttony was looked down on in Europe for religious reasons so it might just be relative to their sensibilities.

"... but to be landed in a strange country, without money, and far from my friends, did not seem very eligible." That's a nice use of eligible.

This sounds like a modern account of native americans in my city.

Ostenaco's daughter married Timberlake's son and had children