EXCLUSIVE: Century-old film believed to be lost forever turns up in Omaha parking lot

A 100-year-old silent film that was believed to be lost forever turned up in an Omaha parking lot.

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  • @yelleryoung5870
    @yelleryoung58702 ай бұрын

    Digitize that sucker now.

  • @CraftAero

    @CraftAero

    2 ай бұрын

    As we speak, Clara's image (copyright expired) is being fed into AI models so she can "star" in upcoming blockbuster(s) royalty free. And the Oscar goes to...

  • @danielebrparish4271

    @danielebrparish4271

    2 ай бұрын

    Actually it's the other way around. Digitaly shot movies are transferred to film to preserve them. Film lasts much longer than digital storage.

  • @TootNuggetEdits

    @TootNuggetEdits

    2 ай бұрын

    @@danielebrparish4271that is why we have LTO tapes

  • @yelleryoung5870

    @yelleryoung5870

    2 ай бұрын

    @@danielebrparish4271 That was before SSDs. Properly stored that could last thousands of years.

  • @TootNuggetEdits

    @TootNuggetEdits

    2 ай бұрын

    @@danielebrparish4271That is why we have LTO tapes

  • @davidb2206
    @davidb22062 ай бұрын

    Thousands of these films have been lost to history. If you find one, or even the chance of one, PLEASE preserve it. Do not destroy old negatives and film canisters, ever.

  • @mikeblair2594

    @mikeblair2594

    2 ай бұрын

    Too damn right you are lad!

  • @CorporalClegg1000

    @CorporalClegg1000

    2 ай бұрын

    Nitrate film is a huge fire hazard.

  • @jimmy_kirk

    @jimmy_kirk

    2 ай бұрын

    It was never lost, it was part of someone's collection. The whole "found in a parking lot" is just clickbait. It was sold at an auction that was taking place in a parking lot.

  • @jessejamesainger3263

    @jessejamesainger3263

    2 ай бұрын

    I have an old silent movie from the 20s called "Agnes Takes On The Entire Rugby Team In The Back Of A Model T" if you are interested.

  • @jimmy_kirk

    @jimmy_kirk

    2 ай бұрын

    @@jessejamesainger3263 I am interested.

  • @jeannecastellano7181
    @jeannecastellano7181Ай бұрын

    Clara Bow led a tragic life---sexually abused by her father, her schizophrenic mother attempted to murder her, she was betrayed by people she trusted, spurned by other Hollywood stars who detested her working class manners and Bronx diction, and she herself suffered from mental illness. Yet, she was a brilliant comedienne in addition to being the "It Girl". The word "it" was a euphemism for sex appeal. She eventually did find love and had a successful marriage and two sons. I DEFINITELY WANT TO SEE THIS MOVIE!!!!!

  • @bardo0007

    @bardo0007

    Ай бұрын

    Her sons are still alive?

  • @zoezzzarko1117

    @zoezzzarko1117

    Ай бұрын

    Thank you for all this info... truly !!👊🏼💥🔥💞💫😇 Is there a DOCUMENTARY out about her that i can watch??

  • @BeachBaller

    @BeachBaller

    Ай бұрын

    @@bardo0007One of her sons Tony died back in 2011 but her son George is still alive at 86 years old. I can’t imagine how amazed he must be of this discovery

  • @luthienlee3511

    @luthienlee3511

    Ай бұрын

    Just imagine- going around with undiagnosed PTSD as a "sex symbol". Constantly having a trigger shoved in your face. It would be the same as sitting with a vet who was in active combat and watching war films.

  • @deeespinal9666

    @deeespinal9666

    Ай бұрын

    Actor lives are cap

  • @mht5875
    @mht58752 ай бұрын

    Excellent, I am a member of the silent film preservation community so this is wonderful news indeed

  • @VickGos-yr2gi

    @VickGos-yr2gi

    Ай бұрын

    That’s awesome 😎

  • @BenPrevo

    @BenPrevo

    Ай бұрын

    I think my family has a lost 1920 out of the inkwell print.

  • @Flat_Earth_Addy

    @Flat_Earth_Addy

    Ай бұрын

    No.

  • @PocketFullofCatnip

    @PocketFullofCatnip

    Ай бұрын

    @@BenPrevo What! Those things are great. They should show it to film preservationists and see if it can be made screenable.

  • @BenPrevo

    @BenPrevo

    Ай бұрын

    @@PocketFullofCatnip already digitised and on private utube.

  • @sparkplug1018
    @sparkplug10182 ай бұрын

    This is really impressive, that he not only found a copy of the film but the master copy. Have to wonder what else was at that auction.

  • @kbjerke

    @kbjerke

    2 ай бұрын

    I wonder what the cartoon was, that first caught his attention!

  • @lightyagami3492

    @lightyagami3492

    2 ай бұрын

    ​@@kbjerkeTHIS! Compounded with the fact he is going Tokyo makes me think it's possibly a lost anime!

  • @RealHomeRecording

    @RealHomeRecording

    2 ай бұрын

    Technically it was a backup copy.

  • @greggv8

    @greggv8

    Ай бұрын

    It's a 16mm print onto acetate film from the original 35mm on nitrocellulose film.

  • @sparkplug1018

    @sparkplug1018

    Ай бұрын

    @@user-jd3vo4mh2d Unfortunately I think the copy is all that’s left, nitrocellulose doesn’t age well even when stored properly. Which is very unfortunate

  • @birdsdaword
    @birdsdaword2 ай бұрын

    WOW! It's always a miracle when "lost" films are found. Especially Clara Bow. The "It" girl. Good news to the entire film community!

  • @dawnsalois

    @dawnsalois

    2 ай бұрын

    took the post right out of my fingers! WOW is exactly what I thought as well!

  • @muffs55mercury61

    @muffs55mercury61

    2 ай бұрын

    "It" the 1927 film was lost for years but thank goodness it was found and I think it's now available on home video.

  • @frankdenardo8684

    @frankdenardo8684

    2 ай бұрын

    ​@muffs55mercury61 The following places have a digitized copy of the film. British Film Institute Motion Picture Academy of Arts & Sciences Library of Congress George Eastman House UCLA film & television archives The above-mentioned places are on the lookout for "lost films."

  • @birdsdaword

    @birdsdaword

    2 ай бұрын

    @@frankdenardo8684 yes indeed and don't forget the San Francisco Silent Film Festival next month from April 10-14, 2024! They also restore films

  • @MartinD9999

    @MartinD9999

    2 ай бұрын

    A “miracle” ?! 🤣

  • @jamesrocket5616
    @jamesrocket56162 ай бұрын

    A win for the lost media and silent film communities

  • @theronwolf3296
    @theronwolf32962 ай бұрын

    When I was a young kid, there was a huge fire one night in my town. My parents actually took a quick ride to see what was happening. Unknown to us, there was a huge storage vault of old films that (Pathe films) no one even knew about that went up in flames. Who knows what was lost.

  • @lightyagami3492

    @lightyagami3492

    2 ай бұрын

    Tragic! 😭

  • @paulbourgeois4491

    @paulbourgeois4491

    2 ай бұрын

    Pathe did news reels, if I'm not mistaken, imagine what could have been on those films lost in that fire!

  • @RighteousReverendDynamite

    @RighteousReverendDynamite

    2 ай бұрын

    British Pathe films are great and should be shown to kids.

  • @101Volts

    @101Volts

    Ай бұрын

    Similarly, in 1937, there was a fire at a building housing 20th Century Fox films. It ruined *many* of movies that day.

  • @101Volts

    @101Volts

    Ай бұрын

    @@RighteousReverendDynamiteThere's a British Pathe channel on KZread. I love perusing it now and then, & it introduced me to Teddy Brown, a great Xylophone Player. My mind was blown when I heard his recording of "The Dance of the Raindrops."

  • @garettanderson6772
    @garettanderson67722 ай бұрын

    $20.00 is an amazing buy for the entire pallet of films considering today's resellers that guy must have had to compete against.

  • @ironbowtie

    @ironbowtie

    2 ай бұрын

    At $20.00, I think the competition didn't show up that day.

  • @101Volts

    @101Volts

    Ай бұрын

    It's kind of amazing what you can still find even now, *if you keep looking and asking.* I didn't know what I got last year when I was given a Violin after asking, but it's no newer than 1887. My question at that yard sale was "Might you have any musical instruments that are not out? Even if missing parts, or if it's broken." And so I was given the Violin, which was missing its Saddle (a common thing to lose.)

  • @garettanderson6772

    @garettanderson6772

    Ай бұрын

    @@101Volts I've been an ebay seller for more than 20 years, bought and sold at flea markets since I was a teenager, and garage sales are my most favorite pass time. I know exactly what you mean.

  • @rocknfan100

    @rocknfan100

    Ай бұрын

    THAT film cost him $20 but he had to buy a pallet of films (maybe 50 -100) so if he had to buy 100 in the pallet ... he sprang for $2,000@@ironbowtie

  • @wisperg1788

    @wisperg1788

    Ай бұрын

    @@rocknfan100In the video his exact words are “This stack was $20. It was the best $20 I ever invested.” That sure makes it sound like he only spend $20 total.

  • @deemarie7559
    @deemarie75592 ай бұрын

    Wow! My grandmother played the love interest in a silent film about a pilot. I was told that in her town grocery store hung the advertisement for the silent film. I would go to the town to try and purchase the advertisement, but the building had long been boarded up. They wanted to sign my grandmother, but her strict German parents refused to let her go. How I wish I could have viewed the film.

  • @lightyagami3492

    @lightyagami3492

    2 ай бұрын

    Try looking up old newspapers in the area your grandma lived in during the silent film era. You might still be able to find the advertisement if it was ever in the paper. This would have been something newspapers would have pounced on in seconds. This would have been the talk of the town.

  • @jerseyjoyride1316

    @jerseyjoyride1316

    2 ай бұрын

    Do you have any other information? I love a guys rabbit hole research!

  • @GregorioTavarez-qb2qd

    @GregorioTavarez-qb2qd

    Ай бұрын

    ​@@jerseyjoyride1316reword that please .

  • @TwilightRage2099
    @TwilightRage20992 ай бұрын

    It just gives you hope that there might still be a few more out there just waiting to be found.

  • @PungiFungi

    @PungiFungi

    Ай бұрын

    I think lost films are found every year.

  • @Flat_Earth_Addy

    @Flat_Earth_Addy

    Ай бұрын

    Why would you want to?

  • @hearsejr
    @hearsejr2 ай бұрын

    Saying the film has a connection to swift is a very long stretch just because swift named a song after her... come on, people.

  • @MothGirl007

    @MothGirl007

    Ай бұрын

    Clara Bow is a thousand times cooler than

  • @Cre80s
    @Cre80s2 ай бұрын

    Now if only someone can find Laurel & Hardy’s “Hats Off”, 1927. A totally lost film.

  • @Kjt853

    @Kjt853

    2 ай бұрын

    To say nothing of “Cleopatra” with Theda Bara and “London After Midnight” with Lon Chaney. If I’m not mistaken, only fragments and stills of each remain.

  • @NobodyImportant001

    @NobodyImportant001

    2 ай бұрын

    ​@Kjt853 I literally came here to comment this. The guy talking on this clip also gave Clara credit for Thedas accomplishments. Horrible how she is so forgotten when she was so important in her time.

  • @muffs55mercury61

    @muffs55mercury61

    2 ай бұрын

    Or Lon Chaney's "London After Midnight" from the same year.

  • @PatrickKniesler

    @PatrickKniesler

    2 ай бұрын

    I'm hoping for Over the Top by Arthur Guy Empey... but hoping against hope

  • @melodymiller9137

    @melodymiller9137

    2 ай бұрын

    1912's Saved From The Titanic is one that I so hope is found someday but probably never will be

  • @JohnnyAngel8
    @JohnnyAngel82 ай бұрын

    A pill pounder would be a druggist (pharmacist). He would pound (crush) pills with a pill crusher (mortar and pestle) to make powder or paste medicines for patients. This is a 20-minute long comedy movie about a druggist.

  • @glass4600

    @glass4600

    2 ай бұрын

    Look, I’m sure context matters and I’m glad to know Out of context, going off the video title card, it looks like “krill pounder” and I gotta be honest that sounds like An amazing action movie or an absolutely horrible porno.

  • @bigbossimmotal

    @bigbossimmotal

    2 ай бұрын

    Ahhh, the innocence of youth! The Mortar and Pestle were used to grind raw ingredients, and blend them together. Then that compound was put into 'Pill Presses' (also called pill pounders) to MAKE pills. Why invent a narrative from scratch just to write a clueless comment on a subject that you know NOTHING about?

  • @CraftAero

    @CraftAero

    2 ай бұрын

    @@glass4600 ...it looks like “krill pounder” 2:47 Screencap & zoom, it looks like #PILL "POUNDER". You'd have to actually see the film for context, but this was pre-Hays Code, so anything goes.

  • @mikeblair2594

    @mikeblair2594

    2 ай бұрын

    See..... Its fun to learn new things! Thanx, I didn't know that, but it makes sense.

  • @chaznonya4

    @chaznonya4

    2 ай бұрын

    ​@@glass4600Instead of trolling why don't you watch the video. They clearly call it Pill Pounder a dozen times. Now you look stupid.

  • @ralphmarshall1000
    @ralphmarshall10002 ай бұрын

    I hope someone goes through the rest of those films, they’re well preserved, and there might be some more treasures to be found .

  • @bardo0007

    @bardo0007

    Ай бұрын

    He probably did already

  • @Flat_Earth_Addy

    @Flat_Earth_Addy

    Ай бұрын

    This is not a treasure.

  • @Great-Documentaries
    @Great-DocumentariesАй бұрын

    This wasn't a Clara Bow picture, it was a Charles Murray picture that also featured 18 year old Clara Bow. And before Taylor Swift was even born, Prince mentioned Clara in a song on his 1985 album Around the World in a Day.

  • @bobsaget121

    @bobsaget121

    Ай бұрын

    She’s in it so it’s a Clara bow picture

  • @g..._anthony27

    @g..._anthony27

    8 күн бұрын

    ​@@bobsaget121 nope

  • @cherylschantz9893
    @cherylschantz98932 ай бұрын

    Allowing those films to sit outside in the elements is beyond belief.

  • @jeffwalters7404

    @jeffwalters7404

    2 ай бұрын

    They weren't stored outside like this. These were at auction from a huge collection and were either being photographed for auction, inventoried, sold that day or being picked up.

  • @jimmy_kirk

    @jimmy_kirk

    2 ай бұрын

    It wasn't actually "found in a parking lot". It was purchased at an auction that was taking place in a parking lot.

  • @lindanorris2455

    @lindanorris2455

    2 ай бұрын

    THEY COOULD BE WORTH MILLIONS!

  • @Derek-no8fu

    @Derek-no8fu

    2 ай бұрын

    And for over 100 years at that.

  • @spamanator666

    @spamanator666

    Ай бұрын

    It was all stored in the building behind it, they brought it out to the parking lot for the lot auction sale.

  • @fnln3181
    @fnln31812 ай бұрын

    What an incredible story. It makes one ponder what films are in the other canisters.

  • @mikeblair2594

    @mikeblair2594

    2 ай бұрын

    Indeed.

  • @kirkyorg7654

    @kirkyorg7654

    2 ай бұрын

    @@mikeblair2594 was thinking the same thing how many other priceless gems were hidden away in those stacks

  • @KutWrite

    @KutWrite

    Ай бұрын

    PeeWee Herman's private collection.

  • @znyznyzny

    @znyznyzny

    Ай бұрын

    @@KutWrite good thing that's disproven, conspiracy 🤡.

  • @hotwax9376

    @hotwax9376

    6 күн бұрын

    As a matter of fact, many other old films that were previously considered lost have been discovered in the most unexpected places.

  • @dustin_4501
    @dustin_45012 ай бұрын

    In the end of 2023 they found the last act of 1917 "Cleopatra" starring Theda Bara, now 1923 "Pill Pounder" starring Clara Bow.

  • @alanbash2921

    @alanbash2921

    2 ай бұрын

    I’ve been hoping for 60 years that Someone finds a complete print of the 1919 Lon Chaney Film “ The Miracle Man “.... I guess I’m just hoping for a Miracle 📣📣📣📣

  • @hebneh

    @hebneh

    Ай бұрын

    @@alanbash2921 A lot more people wish that a print of 1927's "London After Midnight", also starring Lon Chaney, would appear from some forgotten storage building somewhere.

  • @stereoscope360v6
    @stereoscope360v6Ай бұрын

    I just wrote the name Clara Bow on a scrap of paper. Never thought there would be a connection between me and silent film history but here we are!

  • @Nosferigatoni

    @Nosferigatoni

    Ай бұрын

    lol, its so ridiculous

  • @fabio.1

    @fabio.1

    Ай бұрын

    Hello

  • @chrsAdd01

    @chrsAdd01

    8 күн бұрын

    The universe connects all things to the swift

  • @msmoonbeam91

    @msmoonbeam91

    5 күн бұрын

    You Swift haters need to get a life

  • @chrsAdd01

    @chrsAdd01

    5 күн бұрын

    @@msmoonbeam91 well since we’re being so 90s, Get a clue too!

  • @Vegaswill714
    @Vegaswill7142 ай бұрын

    That was a GREAT story. Very happy for Gary Huggins.

  • @VC-xj1fs
    @VC-xj1fs2 ай бұрын

    What in the actual hell does Taylor Swift have to do with this story?

  • @s0nnyburnett

    @s0nnyburnett

    2 ай бұрын

    clickbait for cable

  • @JonasC22

    @JonasC22

    2 ай бұрын

    if you think about it that's the REAL story here, Taytay making a song about that woman, maybe she'll actually get famous now (sarcasm)

  • @gregb6469

    @gregb6469

    2 ай бұрын

    As they said near the end of the report, Swift has a song called Clara Bow on her latest album.

  • @jackalenterprisesofohio

    @jackalenterprisesofohio

    2 ай бұрын

    @@gregb6469 wow, so important, and life changing.

  • @jackalenterprisesofohio

    @jackalenterprisesofohio

    2 ай бұрын

    @@James-to7pi what was it like 5% of voters said they would vote the same way she would?

  • @vespelian
    @vespelian2 ай бұрын

    I was at a premier of a similar discovery in 1996 of British film biography of British prime minister David Lloyd George. He commissioned the film in 1919, then got cold feet and tried to suppress it. A biographer found it in a film can in the attic of the family home. It is an important milestone in British film history believed lost for 80 years. I spoke to the team responsible for restoring the film who said that because of its importance, the original nitrate film would be preserved in a temperature controlled environment. Most other nitrate films are copied and the originals destroyed as they are too potentially dangerous to keep around.

  • @JustWowNick
    @JustWowNickАй бұрын

    $20 for all of THAT is a steal for anyone. Incredible find!

  • @-Katastrophe
    @-Katastrophe2 ай бұрын

    And good news, it's public domain!

  • @AirbornChaos

    @AirbornChaos

    2 ай бұрын

    Could you imagine finding lost media, and being hit with a copyright claim! Thanks to Disney, that's still a real possibility, too.

  • @TheAmbientUniverse

    @TheAmbientUniverse

    Ай бұрын

    @@AirbornChaos Steamboat Willie is now in public domain. Use that shit in any and every one of your money making endeavors. Walt can't touch you with a fifty foot pole.

  • @Knightmessenger

    @Knightmessenger

    Ай бұрын

    ​@@AirbornChaosthis actually happened with a recording of Super Bowl 1 by the son of a guy who worked at a tv videotape repair company. (And thus had the ability to record tv almost 10 years before the first home vcr was invented.)

  • @t-mar9275

    @t-mar9275

    Ай бұрын

    @@TheAmbientUniverse It all depends on how it's marketed. If it's viewed as trademark infringement, then there could still be legal issues. It will be interesting to see what the happens with the first few cases.

  • @PapagenoMF

    @PapagenoMF

    Ай бұрын

    Does it matter if its public domain if you can't access it?

  • @SplendorSolis
    @SplendorSolis2 ай бұрын

    What about the other crates? Did someone buy those and check them after this discovery? There must have been more incredible films in those as well.

  • @stopthecrazyguy9948

    @stopthecrazyguy9948

    2 ай бұрын

    @@chairmanofthebored8684 So good of to respond with an "I don't know" but I'll make it up answer. Waste of time.

  • @lightyagami3492

    @lightyagami3492

    2 ай бұрын

    ​@@chairmanofthebored8684Hard to imagine only one person showed up to this auction. Something tells me most if not all of them were at least bought. Whether people come forward is a different matter all together though.

  • @rfichokeofdestiny

    @rfichokeofdestiny

    Ай бұрын

    @@stopthecrazyguy9948I think it’s less making it up and more justified cynicism from a lifetime of dealing with humanity. 😏

  • @Flat_Earth_Addy

    @Flat_Earth_Addy

    Ай бұрын

    This is not incredible. lol

  • @mindyourbusinessxoxo

    @mindyourbusinessxoxo

    Ай бұрын

    @@Flat_Earth_Addy Considering you're a flat Earther, you're hardly qualified to determine what is or what isn't incredible. Please leave this conversations for the adults in the room.

  • @mistervacation23
    @mistervacation23Ай бұрын

    In her career, Dame Mae Fishman was a part of over 108 silent films. Each film was a testament to her ability to communicate emotions without uttering a single word. She has a bit part in this film

  • @muffs55mercury61
    @muffs55mercury612 ай бұрын

    This is always great news. Lost films are found all the time but it's been awhile. Being such a good print is a miracle.

  • @darienmonomer
    @darienmonomer2 ай бұрын

    So Taylor Swifts connection to the star was just that she wrote a song named after her? ok... kinda reaching, no?

  • @annwithaplan9766

    @annwithaplan9766

    Ай бұрын

    I think it was because of the timing.

  • @kingcosworth2643

    @kingcosworth2643

    Ай бұрын

    Yes, big reach

  • @Nosferigatoni

    @Nosferigatoni

    Ай бұрын

    I swear, its so annoying.

  • @brians9508

    @brians9508

    Ай бұрын

    Any reason to mention that no-talent overrated hack's name at every opportunity. wears me out.

  • @Stogdad1

    @Stogdad1

    Ай бұрын

    Sorry to go against the grain here, but the fact that the most successful recordimg artist on the planet not only knows who Bow was, but has a dedicated a song to her, means that millions of Swifties will be themselves curious to learn who she was. How is that a bad thing?

  • @theaquariancontrarian3316
    @theaquariancontrarian33162 ай бұрын

    Really? That was a lame shameless taylor swift plug. Theres no connection to the film 🙄🤦‍♂️ ridiculous

  • @radfoo72

    @radfoo72

    2 ай бұрын

    Please don't let Taylor Swift destroy this piece of history!

  • @kennypitts4829

    @kennypitts4829

    2 ай бұрын

    They said it three times, like that's why we are staying tuned. Writers these days are horrible.

  • @xenuno

    @xenuno

    2 ай бұрын

    @@radfoo72 She will too. The shelf life of her factory assembled music is on the order of months ...

  • @mondogecko01

    @mondogecko01

    2 ай бұрын

    Gotta have that pro democrat narrative.. Man they really must be desperate

  • @thetvbaby83

    @thetvbaby83

    2 ай бұрын

    ​@@xenuno thats what i said, yrs ago. Relax gramps, change the station. 😂

  • @samanthacarpenter3336
    @samanthacarpenter33362 ай бұрын

    This is why I support collectors and hobbyists who collect. Doesn’t matter what media art, without passionate/obsessive collectors so many works of art would have been lost to time or, destroyed by careless and destructive people.

  • @CrampedGrampy
    @CrampedGrampy2 ай бұрын

    A wonderful find; I remember in the 1950s of my mother talking about Clara Bow movies. Please do prserve this gem.

  • @daveincognito
    @daveincognito2 ай бұрын

    I hope their next step is digital preservation.

  • @danielebrparish4271

    @danielebrparish4271

    2 ай бұрын

    Digital images are put on film for preservation because no other medium, except paper, lasts as long.

  • @thomase13

    @thomase13

    2 ай бұрын

    ​@@danielebrparish4271The only digital storage medium I know if that lasts is he M-Disc, which is supposed to last for at least a millennium!

  • @laurelwilson314

    @laurelwilson314

    2 ай бұрын

    ⁠@@danielebrparish4271 While it is true that film is one of the longest lasting forms of media and is good for long term preservation, it’s currently seen as best practice to make digital “access copies” of analog recordings. That way you don’t run the risk of damaging the physical hard copy of the analog recording every time someone wants to view it. So making digital copies is actually a very good and logical thing to do with an item like this that is the only known copy of something. I’m actually an archivist who works with audio and visual materials that have been digitized in order for researchers to access them, so this whole process is something that I’m intimately familiar with.

  • @nbco55

    @nbco55

    2 ай бұрын

    What about an archival grade DVD?

  • @thomase13

    @thomase13

    2 ай бұрын

    @@nbco55 Still not as good as an M-Disc!

  • @melanie7781
    @melanie77812 ай бұрын

    Clara Bow was mentally ill, tried to commit suicide, checked herself into mental hospital, after she got out she left her family, lived alone in a bungalow as a reclusive and under the constant care of a nurse died of heart attack in 1965 at age 60.

  • @daveydudely9954

    @daveydudely9954

    2 ай бұрын

    The Aristocrats!

  • @daviejz6698

    @daviejz6698

    2 ай бұрын

    PTSD from casting couches?

  • @ytzpilot

    @ytzpilot

    2 ай бұрын

    Not unusual in those days, Louise Brooks had her issues too

  • @mikeblair2594

    @mikeblair2594

    2 ай бұрын

    @@daveydudely9954 Honestly, I doubt she made all that much. Women in pictures have usually gotten screwed (pay wise). She would have been amongst that first generation to be able to use social security. You buy a bungalow with your earnings and rely on S.S. in your later years. That was pretty smart thing to do during an era when women couldn't hold their own bank accounts.

  • @msoda8516

    @msoda8516

    2 ай бұрын

    She had a very sad childhood her mother was mentally ill and tried to kill her on number of occasions as a child

  • @dianewilliams1125
    @dianewilliams11252 ай бұрын

    What a wonderful find! Thank you for preserving this treasure!😊😊😊

  • @Sunriru
    @SunriruАй бұрын

    this really is amazing. i love silent films so much. so glad this film was found. hope to see it

  • @SpiderxPunk
    @SpiderxPunk2 ай бұрын

    I cannot wait until we're past the point of comparing people to Taylor. No sh!t she's not like Taylor, she actually had to get by on her acting talents alone.

  • @ZeroPhuqsGiven2000

    @ZeroPhuqsGiven2000

    2 ай бұрын

    My theory is that Taylor Swift and Conner McGregor could actually be the same person.

  • @nomenclature9373

    @nomenclature9373

    2 ай бұрын

    Every few years it is a new person or group. The 60s had the Beatles. Fast forward to the era of Madona, then to Stefani Germanotta (Lady GaGa). For fans of the Eurovision Song Contest it might be Lordi with "Hard Rock Hallelujah", etc, etc, etc.

  • @jamesrocket5616

    @jamesrocket5616

    2 ай бұрын

    I was thinking that she might be Taylor Swift's ancestor but I was mistaken 😑

  • @paradiselost9946

    @paradiselost9946

    2 ай бұрын

    @@nomenclature9373 yeah, but people STILL listen to the beatles... they set a benchmark that will be hard to surpass. hard? impossible.

  • @wbg2209

    @wbg2209

    2 ай бұрын

    You may have a point there . Taylor and Connor have never been seen in the same room together . ​@@ZeroPhuqsGiven2000

  • @supremepizza3710
    @supremepizza37102 ай бұрын

    Used to watch Silent Films when I was a wee lad in the Majestic Theater... They would pull out this Wurlitzer from under the stage and play... Some decades later they discovered this Wurlitzer under the stage during renovation for 'whatever it is today'... all geeked like they discovered something. Heck could have told em', but they didn't ask. Ole' Boy Scout:😁

  • @BlackjackHookers-nj7qj

    @BlackjackHookers-nj7qj

    2 ай бұрын

    I grew up watching the shorts when on demand was a new thing lol tbh was my teenage years that’s also how I discovered burlesque.

  • @supremepizza3710

    @supremepizza3710

    2 ай бұрын

    @@BlackjackHookers-nj7qjThanks... Lydia Thompson:

  • @supremepizza3710

    @supremepizza3710

    2 ай бұрын

    @@LazloNQDon't know... kind of looked like that... don't remember the accompanying instruments though, was likely enthralled in the film. Thought they called it a Wurlitzer or they weren't sure, when they found it many years later. Movies were a big treat... TV, didn't even have one, and after... you got two hours in the morning and two at dinnertime programing, only two channels. Theaters were most amazing, don't even think one of today's cinema can come close...

  • @user-mr5mc6co1z
    @user-mr5mc6co1z2 ай бұрын

    Thankyou very much for the clips from the good old mories.❤

  • @debbiefox6846
    @debbiefox6846Ай бұрын

    This is as an amazing find. Fantastic this man cared enough to show up for this auction. My grandfather was an actor in Hollywood Silent films in the late 1910's-1929. My mom has beautiful pictures from the sets of films he was on. They are amazing. Sadly when my grandfather was in hollywood he had a huge steamer trunk full of pics that burned in a fire. He was able to save some of the pictures & my mom has cared for them for the last 55 years.

  • @peter5.056
    @peter5.0562 ай бұрын

    Upload that to the internet IMMEDIATELY.

  • @nachtkind46
    @nachtkind462 ай бұрын

    the only other early actress that I would have been more impressed by the film containing would have been Theda Bara. But this is still hella awesome.

  • @joannemcdevitt6654
    @joannemcdevitt66542 ай бұрын

    My uncle, George Wilbern, was involved in film in the SF and LA areas from the 1940-1980's. He had so much memorabilia from Hollywood, of which I have now. It is so interesting to learn about it now! I know I have a "Clara Bow" painting from him. I remember him always saying "Clara Bow, the "it" girl!"

  • @jonathanthomas7228
    @jonathanthomas7228Ай бұрын

    Knowing that this film is being saved has literally brought me to tears. I am genuinely curious if the original seller of the films, the one's who had these films wrapped on pallets, took down any identifying information regarding to whom they've sold these pallets of film? What other treasures might there have been which we've all resigned to being lost to time and age? I think we all need to know what films were in these pallets.

  • @usmale49
    @usmale492 ай бұрын

    This is just great! Wouldn't mind viewing it myself! Fantastic find. Thank you for the report!

  • @rbrucewilliams2924
    @rbrucewilliams29242 ай бұрын

    Unbelievable. And exciting because other films are still out there ; stored currently perhaps in an elderly persons home, waiting to be discovered by their heirs.

  • @willyboy6126

    @willyboy6126

    2 ай бұрын

    Yes...and hopefully not thrown out, as sadly, many young people are not interested in acquiring 'stuff' nowadays. 🙏

  • @mercedesvelasquez8781

    @mercedesvelasquez8781

    2 ай бұрын

    ​@@willyboy6126I am 35 and like my sisters(24 & 27) tell me it's all junk just throw it out ahahaha no some stuff needs to be saved. Heck I have photo's I took of underground punk bands that are still around today and those photos hold memory's for me and our part of my personal history.

  • @willyboy6126

    @willyboy6126

    2 ай бұрын

    @@mercedesvelasquez8781That is awesome! Yes, I too have lots of wonderful treasures of what I collect and such...plus, as you say, there are a lot of precious memories attached to many things. All of my stuff will stay with me until my last breath 😊

  • @AlphaProto
    @AlphaProtoАй бұрын

    That's an amazing story. I am happy this showed up in my feed.

  • @JamesOzmun
    @JamesOzmun2 ай бұрын

    This is the _feel-good_ story of the month. Thanks for sharing❤

  • @jakemoeller7850
    @jakemoeller78502 ай бұрын

    Wonderful story! My mom used to speak of Clara Bow.

  • @mikeblair2594

    @mikeblair2594

    2 ай бұрын

    Mine too. We used to go and watch the silent pictures every Sunday at this old theater around the corner back in the eighties. I used to run with a crew of punk rockers, and most would come. We'd end up with a theater full of old ladies and punks and everyone had a grand time. It was fun back then.

  • @Skank_and_Gutterboy

    @Skank_and_Gutterboy

    2 ай бұрын

    Early in this newscast I was like, "Whatever. What is the attraction with her?" Then at 1:49 it all made sense. Just those lively eyes alone are really something.

  • @celestialblue7229
    @celestialblue72292 ай бұрын

    Wow, that's amazing! I wonder if there are more films in that parking lot? Clara has quite a number of lost films to be found.

  • @jessfrankel5212
    @jessfrankel5212Ай бұрын

    What's also interesting is that the movie was directed by Gregory LaCava, who started in silents as a director of animated films and graduated to two-reelers and then full-length talkies when sound came in. One of his most famous films is My Man Godfrey, with Carole Lombard. He was prolific in the 1930's but after the war was over, he was more or less ignored by Hollywood. Such is stardom...usually, very brief.

  • @stephanie6897
    @stephanie68972 ай бұрын

    This is so cool ! I want to see a digitalized copy !

  • @TheJagjr4450
    @TheJagjr44502 ай бұрын

    The highest quality way to transfer to digital is the process used by iirc ILM. It advances one frame at a time, back lit with a diffused light, focuses on the grain, takes a CCD image of the back lit film frame, advances to the next frame repeat process, ad nauseam until final frame. IT is not a running conversion, it is a true frame by frame digital conversion. This way every single frame is in as crisp of focus as possible and if there is a scratch or other mar it can be corrected. The HIGH quality digital conversions of movies are done this way, as are high quality digitized photo negatives -

  • @TheEudaemonicPlague

    @TheEudaemonicPlague

    2 ай бұрын

    As someone who has taken on the job of digitally restoring several hundred color slides from Korea 1953, I can't help but agree (I'm doing it to preserve history--no one else has these images, except the son of the photographer, and he doesn't have the means to do anything with them). I've seen video of the guys working on restoring The Third Man for the Criterion Collection. I was drooling over their gear for sure. I'd kill for the chance to work on an old film with that stuff...but I'm old and retired, so it isn't going to happen. So, I'll content myself with the Korean War slides.

  • @RealHomeRecording

    @RealHomeRecording

    2 ай бұрын

    Lasergraphics Director is the Hollywood film scanner of choice for many. ARRISCAN is another one. DFT Film too....but I think they did The Wizard of Oz on a Lasergraphics machine. So if it's good enough for Warner Bros, it's good enough for everybody.

  • @TheJagjr4450

    @TheJagjr4450

    2 ай бұрын

    @@TheEudaemonicPlague I have been doing my grandfather's WW2 negs from Kusai? South Pacific Tokyo Spring of 1946. Hawaii fall of 1945. He was an officer on a destroyer Soley DD702, they were in the Panama Canal on VJ day, disarmed a few islands and also accepted the resignation of a Japanese General prior to escorting him to Trial. I made a light box with diffused light using high CRI LED's with a very close to daylight 6000k color temp. behind a couple of fresnel lenses and then clamped the neg between two sheets of glare resistant glass, focused a an 18MP digital SLR with a 100mm macro lens - and got a grain focused digital neg... EXPONENTIALLY BETTER QUALITY than a 6400DPI scanner

  • @cwired9407

    @cwired9407

    Ай бұрын

    let us know when you upload a KZread vid of the images and the process :) @@TheJagjr4450

  • @dmacarthur5356
    @dmacarthur53562 ай бұрын

    Isn't Clara Bow widely regarded as the inspiration for Betty Boop?

  • @dariowiter3078

    @dariowiter3078

    2 ай бұрын

    NO!!!!! Helen Kane, the singer who made the song "I Want To Be Loved By You" famous in 1928, was the inspiration behind Betty Boop, not Clara! Clara inspired women like Helen to look and dress like her.

  • @dmacarthur5356

    @dmacarthur5356

    2 ай бұрын

    @@dariowiter3078 OK!!!!!

  • @johng4093

    @johng4093

    Ай бұрын

    So... indirectly inspired?

  • @cactusjackNV

    @cactusjackNV

    Ай бұрын

    @@johng4093 *facepalm*

  • @sfperalta
    @sfperalta2 ай бұрын

    I know that Clara Bow was "the IT girl" - a common phrase today. But what I didn't know is that "It" is not metaphoric, like the French "je ne sais quoi", but refers to the title of the 1927 film "It" that she starred in. So "It" became a something that charismatic people were called due of this film. You learn something new every day!

  • @StellaWaldvogel
    @StellaWaldvogelАй бұрын

    When I heard "Clara Bow", my jaw dropped. Exciting, wonderful news! And I'm glad David Stenn bought it, it couldn't be in better hands. He did a wonderful job restoring "Maytime" and that one can be viewed online, so I'm optimistic that we'll get to see "Pill Pounder" too. But even if we don't, it's good just knowing that it's found and well-preserved.

  • @historicradiotelevision-bi2861
    @historicradiotelevision-bi28612 ай бұрын

    Just have to bring in Taylor ****ing Swift. More importantly, what was in all those other pallets? I would have bought them all.

  • @roxyneeley4698

    @roxyneeley4698

    2 ай бұрын

    Who hurt you?

  • @radfoo72

    @radfoo72

    2 ай бұрын

    ​@@roxyneeley4698Probably Taylor Swift.

  • @BruceWSims
    @BruceWSimsАй бұрын

    It takes so much to stabilize and preserve films from that era and its not always successful. My deepest appreciation to the folks who are sensitive enough to our heritage that they go out of their way to preserve it.. Many Thanks!!😊😊😊 BTW: I hope folks are going through those other pallets.....you know.....just in case .........😮😮😮

  • @frankdenardo8684
    @frankdenardo86842 ай бұрын

    Holy Toledo!!!!!! I'm glad someone found old films. A lot of those silent films are now gone, but this one resurfaced in over 50 to 100 years. This film should be deposited into the following places. Library of Congress American Film Institute UCLA film & television archives George Eastman House Motion Picture Academy of Arts & Sciences British Film Institute The above-mentioned places are interested in "lost films."

  • @cactusjackNV

    @cactusjackNV

    Ай бұрын

    The biographer of Clara Bow I'm sure is more than aware.

  • @frankdenardo8684

    @frankdenardo8684

    Ай бұрын

    ​@cactusjackNV The National Film Registry of the Library of Congress is interested in that film, being culturally, historically, or aesthetically significant" to be deposited as a long lost film being found.

  • @jamesomeara2329
    @jamesomeara23292 ай бұрын

    Hopefully this gets some kind of release for those interested on an oldies channel or Internet site

  • @danielebrparish4271

    @danielebrparish4271

    2 ай бұрын

    TCM used to have Silent Sunday to showcase silent films once a week.

  • @drctrs
    @drctrsАй бұрын

    Glad to hear the filmmaker, who found it, can now invest money in realizing his own film project. There’s some high justice in how it was found.

  • @SonyaHudson
    @SonyaHudson2 ай бұрын

    Their son George Beldam, Jr. would probably be especially... excited to see his mother. He's 86 year's old and prayerfully he clothed in his right mind. ❤🙏🏾

  • @WastedTalent-
    @WastedTalent-Ай бұрын

    Saying he "found" it in a parking lot makes it sound like he stumbled upon it while pushing a cart into the grocery store.

  • @aimeeinkling
    @aimeeinkling2 ай бұрын

    David Stenn's hot takes are completely wrong, but I'm glad they found the print!

  • @docsavage8640
    @docsavage86402 ай бұрын

    Jesus, trying to pretend Taylor Swift is part of this story... 😆 🤣 😂

  • @christinameyer1407

    @christinameyer1407

    2 ай бұрын

    They could have left her name out of the entire news story and it would have been just as good.

  • @RowdyBorders-ni3ti

    @RowdyBorders-ni3ti

    2 ай бұрын

    Sad sht

  • @michaelandrade6642

    @michaelandrade6642

    Ай бұрын

    The closing track on Taylor Swift's upcoming 2024 studio album, The Tortured Poets Department, is titled "Clara Bow"

  • @PapagenoMF

    @PapagenoMF

    Ай бұрын

    you do realize, that when someone of Taylor Swift's influence mentions a long ago film star like Clara Bow, it engages her young fans in history, right? Why poo-poo that? You may not like Taylor Swift, but she's far more relevant than you, and she's obviously a Clara Bow fan to boot.

  • @christinameyer1407

    @christinameyer1407

    Ай бұрын

    @@PapagenoMF relevant with auto tune talent.😏

  • @MovieMakingMan
    @MovieMakingManАй бұрын

    I rescued an old 35mm film that is probably 80-100 years old in a house that was being demolished. I have a 35mm projector but was leery about running the film through it because it might be a nitrate film and too dangerous to expose to the high heat from a projector. I’m going to unroll the film enough to see the title of the film and update this comment. If anyone knows of an organization that might be interested in this film let me know.

  • @richinderbyshire4779

    @richinderbyshire4779

    Күн бұрын

    Hi. What's the latest on that?

  • @MovieMakingMan

    @MovieMakingMan

    21 сағат бұрын

    @@richinderbyshire4779 It’s still stored safely. It’s in my list!

  • @newwavepop
    @newwavepop6 күн бұрын

    There is a lost film from 1923 called "Flaming Youth". most of the film is lost but there is one scene that still exists with Colleen Moore at a mirror doing her make up for a night out, and it is one of the most adorable things i have ever seen. i always hope that someday i will be able to see the rest of this film.

  • @paulbourgeois4491
    @paulbourgeois44912 ай бұрын

    My Pa was born in Park Falls Wisconsin in 1923. He would have been 100 years old last August 20th. Survived the depression and fought in WWII. Passed in November 2002, leaving my mom, and his 3 boys. I miss him every day. Thanks for posting this.

  • @shirleybalinski4535

    @shirleybalinski4535

    2 ай бұрын

    Hey, my Dad was born August 31, 1923 in Michigan. Similiar life story.

  • @paulbourgeois4491

    @paulbourgeois4491

    2 ай бұрын

    @@shirleybalinski4535 they really were the Greatest Generation!

  • @_Dark222Angel_
    @_Dark222Angel_2 ай бұрын

    I transfer film to digital for a living. send it to us in Chicago. Chicago Scanning

  • @christinabailey6900
    @christinabailey69002 ай бұрын

    I love Claire Bow and Louise Brooks. Clair Bow changed her hair color constantly causing trouble for the lighting person. This is amazing.

  • @blueflagmusic
    @blueflagmusicАй бұрын

    The golden era when women were silent. How peaceful it must have been.

  • @PleaseE777vidmax

    @PleaseE777vidmax

    Ай бұрын

    😂

  • @KarmaLyser
    @KarmaLyser2 ай бұрын

    Clara Bow was nothing like Tay-Tay Swiffer. She was pretty and had talent.

  • @MothGirl007

    @MothGirl007

    Ай бұрын

    Totally agree.

  • @steelman86
    @steelman862 ай бұрын

    When King Vidor lived on the Central Coast of California he used to keep his Nitrate films out in an oak tree in case it caught on fire!! He and silent film actress, living in the same area, Colleen Moore Hargrave were rumored to have had a fling(s) in their senior years!!! Both wonderful folks!!! The San Luis Obispo film festivals highest award is named for King Vidor!!

  • @AcmeRacing
    @AcmeRacingАй бұрын

    From being a lost film to a pristine master on safety stock? Bow's true fans must be awestruck.

  • @michaelbullen3104
    @michaelbullen3104Күн бұрын

    None of you have ANY idea. ANY ANY idea just how many lost silent films are still out there waiting to be found. As part of the Lost Media community, it’s always nice to see a piece of sought after media of ours get found. This is my first time seeing the news spot on it.

  • @Deuteromis
    @Deuteromis2 ай бұрын

    Also I thought it was going to revealed that Taylor Swift was related to Clara...

  • @radfoo72

    @radfoo72

    2 ай бұрын

    Taylor Swift is related to a spoiled jug of milk.

  • @MothGirl007

    @MothGirl007

    Ай бұрын

    Clara Bow was a thousand times cooler than Taylor Swift.

  • @showaltermicro
    @showaltermicro2 ай бұрын

    Taylor who ?

  • @dariowiter3078

    @dariowiter3078

    2 ай бұрын

    😝😝😝😝😝

  • @beyondalpha1072
    @beyondalpha10722 ай бұрын

    "I do not think my mother ever loved my father", she said. "He knew it. And it made him very unhappy, for he worshipped her always."[17]

  • @HappyLife693
    @HappyLife693Ай бұрын

    That is the kind of story that we all need. It warms the heart.

  • @atlanteum
    @atlanteum2 ай бұрын

    Did you honestly need to drag Clara Bow through the muck of Taylor Swift to garner interest in this story..? Make at least some small effort to show some respect -

  • @Nosferigatoni

    @Nosferigatoni

    Ай бұрын

    Thank you. People just have to associate something old to something new to make it seem relevant, when in fact its relevant all by itself.

  • @andrewp7509
    @andrewp75092 ай бұрын

    Swifty,your no Clara Bow

  • @babywah3290

    @babywah3290

    2 ай бұрын

    you’re

  • @dariowiter3078

    @dariowiter3078

    2 ай бұрын

    YUP!!!!! 😁😁😁😁😁

  • @urbanurchin5930

    @urbanurchin5930

    Ай бұрын

    @andrewp7509......Swifty, YOU'RE no Clara Bow.......learn English......illiterate inbred......

  • @stevenward3856
    @stevenward3856Ай бұрын

    I verified online what I remembered about Clara Gordon Bow, that she was referred to as "the 'It' Girl". This discovery is simply amazing!

  • @kingdoc3262
    @kingdoc3262Ай бұрын

    I like how the owner thought about passing the stock on rather than putting them in trash. Whole stack for $20 May all be preserved and put in modern formats for the future 🙏🏽

  • @phantom629
    @phantom6292 ай бұрын

    "imagine a time when women having independence and autonomy didn't exist" yet there's proof that it did

  • @radfoo72

    @radfoo72

    2 ай бұрын

    The good ole days!

  • @FlyingEyeDyes
    @FlyingEyeDyes2 ай бұрын

    As soon as they said Taylor Swift, I said bye. Can't stand that spoiled brat.

  • @JohnnyBeane
    @JohnnyBeaneАй бұрын

    That is amazing!!! Hope her family gets to see this.

  • @801walt
    @801walt6 күн бұрын

    Wonderful. And the clips you showed looked to be excellent condition. I'd love to see it if it gets digitized.

  • @Del-Canada
    @Del-Canada2 ай бұрын

    She was only 60 when she died in 1965. Heart attack.

  • @dfc99nyc

    @dfc99nyc

    2 ай бұрын

    Rough life. Born in a Brooklyn slum in 1905 to a screwed up mother and an oft-unemployed alcoholic father who allegedly abused her. He moved his family to an apartment in Sheepshead Bay which was and still is a nice residential area. I believe the house she lived in there is still standing. I wonder what Stenn paid for that film??

  • @CSGATI
    @CSGATI2 ай бұрын

    Digitize them stat.

  • @RighteousReverendDynamite
    @RighteousReverendDynamiteАй бұрын

    I watched a special Halloween screening of Lon Chaney, Sr.'s "Phantom of the Opera" (1925) at San Diego's Spreckels" Theatre a decade ago and they had to bring down from Hollywood one of 4 remaining special projectors made for this type of film that still worked. They had a great organist on the Wurlitzer. The film, comprised of 4 reels, had the only "colorized" version for the famous scene in which the heroine removes the Phantom's mask and surprises Chaney at his organ. Still very dramatic on big screen. Chaney was a great actor. (his only film in which he did not wear any makeup was filmed in San Diego at Balboa Park, "Tell it to the Marines!" about the Marines fighting in the Boxer Rebellion in China!)

  • @finddeniro
    @finddeniro2 ай бұрын

    In the 1930s. Hundreds of silent films were vaulted ..1950s open the vault. All were Melted..

  • @NobodyImportant001

    @NobodyImportant001

    2 ай бұрын

    Yeah. Theda Bara is my doppelganger. Only knew that because of a program that matches your face with celebrities and other people. Looked into her and found out essentially everything she did was destroyed in a fire. Sad.

  • @Bobalicious
    @Bobalicious2 ай бұрын

    How many more 'lost' films might there have been at that sale.

  • @frederickcombs8661
    @frederickcombs86612 ай бұрын

    Such good news... Clara Bow was magic

  • @austx290
    @austx290Ай бұрын

    Wow. Awesome find. I love Clara Bow. So many of these silent films are lost now. If you ever get the chance, watch films with Wallace Reid, Theda Bara, Gloria Swanson, Louise Brooks, and so many more!

  • @ianmc87
    @ianmc87Ай бұрын

    Great find! Its a shame that many early films have been lost.

  • @Karl_B
    @Karl_B2 ай бұрын

    So this is NOT an original (on nitrate), this was a copy "printed on safety stock". 2:38 Therefore it was in perfect condition with it's plastic insert which is not old. Also the "finder" is into old films and has a projector but no screen???

  • @miked6335

    @miked6335

    2 ай бұрын

    I was wondering if they purposely showed such a lousy image in order to prevent people from getting a good screengrab. Not sure why they would do that.

  • @Cobbmtngirl
    @Cobbmtngirl2 ай бұрын

    Very cool find!

  • @Mystic_Light
    @Mystic_LightАй бұрын

    Wow, that's amazing! I'd love to see that film.

  • @spamanator666
    @spamanator666Ай бұрын

    "Found in a parking lot." Well yes, and no... We know that you want us to think it was just laying out in some random parking lot, but watching the story, it was a lot sale auction being held in a parking lot. Not as dramatic sounding, sure, but more accurate.

  • @Drew791
    @Drew7912 ай бұрын

    “Pill Pounder” 😂 the more things change, the more they remain the same