Evolution and the Challenges of Modern Life | Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying | EP 216

This episode was recorded on October 5th, 2021.
Podcasters and evolutionary biology power-couple Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying join me to discuss a variety of topics related to their new book, A Hunter-Gatherer’s Guide to the 21st Century. We explore topics like niche-switching, what Darwin got wrong, Twitter, sources for modern values, hyper-novelty, the aftermath of progress, parenthood, and sexual selection - just to name a few.
Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying are evolutionary biologists, former Evergreen State College professors, and the current hosts of the DarkHorse podcast. You may also know Bret through Joe Rogan, or as the twice-moderator for Jordan’s debates with Sam Harris.
The couple’s book, titled “A Hunter-Gatherer’s Guide to the 21st Century: Evolution and the Challenges of Modern Life,” asks why the most prosperous age in history has scarcely offset suicide rates, tribal division, loneliness, and human misery.
Follow Bret at:
/ bretweinstein
And Heather at:
/ heathereheying
The DarkHorse Podcast:
bretweinstein.net/podcast
A Hunter-Gatherer’s Guide to the 21st Century: Evolution and the Challenges of Modern Life:
amazon.com/gp/product/B08VF32...
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Shownotes
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[00:00] Intro
[00:30] Guests’ background
[01:32] A Hunter-Gatherer’s Guide to the 21st Century - why they wrote it
[04:30] “Values might not be [scientifically] defensible. Taken to the extreme, it might be hard to explain why existing is better than not" - Bret Weinstein
[05:07] “We believe that any credible 'ought' needs to be scientifically informed" - BW
[05:45] Learning to negotiate hyper-novelty in the modern world. The extremely fast rate of progress and change
[06:56] “The amazing rate of change we’ve created is itself deranging us and making it very difficult to understand and remember how to be human” - Heather Heying
[08:18] “It's not that progress is bad - the benefit of progress is often tremendous, but it almost always comes with important unintended consequences” - BW
[09:26] Our incredible ability to adapt by “niche-switching”
[15:41] Unintended consequences & modern sleeping
[22:45] Twitter as a giant social experiment; what happens when you can (sort of) communicate with everyone?
[25:22] “If people treated each other the way they do on Twitter, they’d get beaten up with enough regularity to stop them. So the net effect [might make us] nicer, right?” - BW
[25:47] The importance of nonverbal communication; physical and chemical ways humans communicate
[29:57] Small talk, gaging social skills, and nonverbal cues
[31:28] “Small talk lets you take a room’s temperature-literally and metaphorically" - Heather Heying
[32:35] Objections to evolutionary theory: A critique of some key Darwinian tenets
[38:28] Play & Evolution
[42:08] Intelligence in mate selection amongst bowerbirds
[53:12] How Heather conceptualizes male/female status hierarchies
[55:57] Sex, gender, and how they’re linked
[01:06:44] The Hero's journey and the importance of new storytelling
[01:13:42] The adaptive valley picture in evolutionary biology
[01:13:46] “I'm trying to update our understanding of stories rather than the stories themselves" - Jordan Peterson
[01:21:29] podcasts & collective listening
[01:27:26] Parenting & Children
[01:27:46] “Children will destroy your life and replace it with a better one" - BW
[01:28:52] Parenting & Relationships
[01:30:03] Wrapping up
#Biology #Evolution #Gender #Pârenting #Darwin
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  • @timcoolican459
    @timcoolican4592 жыл бұрын

    Seven years ago, I wouldn't be caught dead listening to three intellects like this. The fact that I could follow along with much of what they were saying, is even more incredible. I am not highly educated. I barely passed primary education, as I have worked full-time since I was 14 years old...until my debilitating accident in 2014. During my recovery, I took to watching interesting videos on KZread. Something that was easier to do while languishing in a hospital bed. This is where I found Jordan Peterson, as well as his seemingly infinite archive of lectures. More recently, this is where I also found Heather & Brett. So, while I was rehabilitating, watching endless strings of cat videos and selfie style channels, my mind began to turn as numb as my legs. Turning towards more intellectual videos, I found Mr. Peterson. He was, and still is, a fascinating speaker. He was just as passionate about what he was teaching, as he was intellectually proficient...or so I surmised...cause 'what the hell do I know', as Peterson has often lament. Back to the point of my comment, it is precisely because of people like this that I could awaken to a larger world of knowledge, where I would obviously not have, if not for my physical demise, technological advancement, cat videos, and videos that Jordan, Heather, & Brett keep producing. Thank you very much...all three of you...for what you do.

  • @Cryo837

    @Cryo837

    2 жыл бұрын

    2014 happend for a reason. Best of luck to you sir!!!

  • @kaptainhammer

    @kaptainhammer

    2 жыл бұрын

    Gay

  • @sparklesparkle4357

    @sparklesparkle4357

    2 жыл бұрын

    You sir are awesome! So glad you found Jordan Peterson. Thank you for sharing your story and good luck in this adventure we call life!

  • @hgodfrey

    @hgodfrey

    2 жыл бұрын

    Maybe you’re smarter than you think you are.

  • @RoninDosho

    @RoninDosho

    2 жыл бұрын

    Sir, likely your comment reflects an growing audience. Good luck with your full recovery and as it is often said “I got here as soon as I could “ awesome comment!

  • @Motivatedk9
    @Motivatedk92 жыл бұрын

    If it wasn't for Dr Petersons books and lectures online my life would be much worse off. As a fifty year old father of two daughters, I've learned more from him than I had ever learned in school. He helped me through some of the hardest times in my life without even knowing it. Dr Peterson, I owe you my life Sir

  • @kellyhayes

    @kellyhayes

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@CONEHEADDK I'm an almost 40 yr olf woman & he's one of my absolute favorite modern thinkers.

  • @laja6108

    @laja6108

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@kellyhayes 35 and I agree, completely

  • @ForeverYoungKickboxer

    @ForeverYoungKickboxer

    2 жыл бұрын

    1969 Gen Xer here. Love JP especially his Bible Lecture series. And love Brett and Heather of course.

  • @laja6108

    @laja6108

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@ForeverYoungKickboxer his Bible lecture series completely changed how I looked at the Bible. I was one of those atheists he speaks of that adopted atheism as a pseudo religion. Brett and Heather are gems 💎

  • @joshnic6639

    @joshnic6639

    2 жыл бұрын

    I can say the exact (2 daughters and all) same thing as you except I’m 42. Dr. Peterson is a lifesaver.

  • @akikomomiyama4922
    @akikomomiyama49222 жыл бұрын

    Three good friends getting together, having rich conversations. Such a delight to witness. Thank you all three of you!

  • @paigemccormick6519

    @paigemccormick6519

    2 жыл бұрын

    akiko, you have a different meaning of "delight" than I do. The truth of this content obviates "delight." We agree on "rich."

  • @AlexM-vt5pu

    @AlexM-vt5pu

    2 жыл бұрын

    Yes, and Jordan is that one friend that never lets you fully finish a sentence hahaha.

  • @akikomomiyama4922

    @akikomomiyama4922

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@paigemccormick6519 Page l agree the topics themselves were hard truth or difficult reality, they were by no means easy things to process. Yet delight was my instinctive feeling, as l saw the smiles and all of the body expressions that you notice only between people connected with trust and friendship. I thought it was beautiful.

  • @paigemccormick6519

    @paigemccormick6519

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@akikomomiyama4922 Yes, ma'm. Just not delightful. :)

  • @sublimejourney3384

    @sublimejourney3384

    2 жыл бұрын

    So much harmony between the 3 of them I love this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • @anthonysimon4991
    @anthonysimon49912 жыл бұрын

    I am so lucky to have been born in 1955, there were years of my life when people were not afraid to offend with conversation, this conversation reminds me of the days when people really talked.

  • @DarkHorsePodcastClips
    @DarkHorsePodcastClips2 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for hosting Bret and Heather. I've been looking forward to hearing this conversation. -Written by Dave the clips guy

  • @casandra0

    @casandra0

    2 жыл бұрын

    Hi Dave 👋

  • @ImEverythingYouCrave

    @ImEverythingYouCrave

    2 жыл бұрын

    Hey Dave thanks for being part of the team 👍

  • @NinjaKittyBonks

    @NinjaKittyBonks

    2 жыл бұрын

    @DarkHorse Podcast Clips .... @NinjaKitty

  • @axe-z8316

    @axe-z8316

    2 жыл бұрын

    get vaccinated.

  • @B-Nice

    @B-Nice

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for all that you do, Dave!!!

  • @ThePolysyllabist
    @ThePolysyllabist2 жыл бұрын

    "The prefrontal cortex grew out of the motor cortex ... evolved to abstract out patterns of abstraction ... so they can be dispensed with before being acted on ... so that WE CAN HAVE OUR IDEAS DIE INSTEAD OF US" My mind is blown

  • @GrubKiller436

    @GrubKiller436

    2 жыл бұрын

    Indeed. Our ability to abstract is what makes human beings so unique.

  • @rinzertanz

    @rinzertanz

    2 жыл бұрын

    Agree, that was a fantastic riff.

  • @eduarddrancak9513
    @eduarddrancak95132 жыл бұрын

    So I've just listened to a 90-minute discussion incredibly packed with hardcore scientific and philosophical ideas of arguably tremendous complexity and I'm leaving literally with a smile on my face and an uplifting feeling in my soul. It sounds very strange to me when put that way, but it is true and so I think you were doing something right there and I was doing something right listening to this, so thank you very much for doing this. It is an incredibly engaging and informative episode, one of the best in my opinion. I hope that that discussion with the couple's undergraduate advisor will happen, if it hasn't happened yet, and will be posted soon cause it sounded like it might be a good one too. Anyway, cheers all the way from Slovakia, Dr. Peterson.

  • @aa-zz6328

    @aa-zz6328

    2 жыл бұрын

    Absolutely!

  • @dabbog5518

    @dabbog5518

    2 жыл бұрын

    🤗 BlessALL

  • @jannrhoads5836

    @jannrhoads5836

    2 жыл бұрын

    Dogs, they know! 😝

  • @m-bronte

    @m-bronte

    2 жыл бұрын

    agree, I loved how they talked about it all objectively without getting pulled in emotionally.

  • @darishennen898

    @darishennen898

    2 жыл бұрын

    I'm not even sure Bret understood Jordan's question about facts and values

  • @cawile
    @cawile2 жыл бұрын

    There is something really magical about witnessing these conversations unfold. I especially love when JPB says to them, “you guys should really talk to Jonathan Pageau”.

  • @mondopinion3777

    @mondopinion3777

    2 жыл бұрын

    YA. Pageau has even larger maps, and is a beautiful person.

  • @cawile

    @cawile

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@mondopinion3777 already a devout follower of JP

  • @kenkeyes8148
    @kenkeyes81482 жыл бұрын

    It's a travesty what Evergreen College did to these two thoughtful and tender souls. Their loss is our gain.

  • @gracechristina1430

    @gracechristina1430

    2 жыл бұрын

    But ultimately I'm pleased it happened because it forced change and for them to take a risk and capitalize on the scandal and now they have the reach they have now and we all benefit

  • @lanceg6828

    @lanceg6828

    2 жыл бұрын

    Yep their loss is our gain tho

  • @devinbradshaw9756

    @devinbradshaw9756

    2 жыл бұрын

    Amor fati

  • @wmhs02dm

    @wmhs02dm

    2 жыл бұрын

    The countless amount students that are losing these days

  • @plekkchand

    @plekkchand

    Жыл бұрын

    Let's make it their gain as well.

  • @rutherford5619
    @rutherford56192 жыл бұрын

    "Children will destroy your life and replace it with a better one" Bret that's oscar worthy

  • @stefan1924

    @stefan1924

    2 жыл бұрын

    When I heard that, I thought this is the kind of quote I don't want to forget, so I wrote it down immediatley.

  • @schmingusss

    @schmingusss

    2 жыл бұрын

    Damn, I guess I shoulda had kids.

  • @peacemaker6662

    @peacemaker6662

    2 жыл бұрын

    Been there, done that, read the book. A book you never want to end... as it must. But hey, the journey is always better than the final chapter :-)

  • @Frankie-be5uv

    @Frankie-be5uv

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@stefan1924 Definitely don't be a pathological parent and kneecap the kids when they make their move

  • @karenmaksart

    @karenmaksart

    Жыл бұрын

    Takes more than kids to destroy your life. Kids are a mirror. As all other people to all others.

  • @ThePowermountain
    @ThePowermountain2 жыл бұрын

    These three people have been a greater force of growth and positive change in my life than all my previous teachers and leaders combined. God bless them!

  • @sixduece222
    @sixduece2222 жыл бұрын

    As a new parent I really appreciated the discussion about not discouraging "Play" surrounding other genders. I have really been pondering how to handle that. This was a very impactful intellectual discussion. God bless you Jordan Peterson!!!!!

  • @heathermilligan393

    @heathermilligan393

    2 жыл бұрын

    As a mom of two teenagers now, I just recently took a job with a pre k and am taking early childhood classes and have learned so many things that I could have used when my girls were little. One of My favorite things Jordan says is “children learn most when they are doing dangerous things carefully. “ it’s totally true. My take away from it is don’t be such a helicopter parent. Listen and guide but let them kinda figure it out themselves first before just taking over. ❤️ Good luck in the parenting world. You do what you feel is right by your child

  • @williamhamilton9945

    @williamhamilton9945

    2 жыл бұрын

    How do we grapple with seemingly obvious attempts by major media to confuse children. Jordan said it himself, Pocahontas had a powerful impact on his niece. She phased out of it but media is far more available now and my fear is who our kids become can really be shaped far more by what they are watching than in the past.

  • @pamjedlicka8451
    @pamjedlicka84512 жыл бұрын

    Once again, as I trudge through the darkness of what is considered 'our society,' I am uplifted by Jordan Peterson and his incredible guests Heather and Bret Weinstein. It's often been said that listening to these dialogues is akin to sitting in on a post-grad level lecture and this conversation is no different. I am so grateful for this type of intellectual content. It's like cool water in the desert.

  • @56bigmike

    @56bigmike

    2 жыл бұрын

    Well said.

  • @Blobbybobbyboy
    @Blobbybobbyboy2 жыл бұрын

    Jordan's note on how positive his KZread comments can get was spot on. There are some corners of the Web that are horrible, but when people get a glimpse of something that comes from the heart and is honest it brings the best out of them, and we yearn to reach out and connect in this way (or so I like to think)

  • @pamjedlicka8451

    @pamjedlicka8451

    2 жыл бұрын

    Yep! Makes you realize what a fetid swamp most of the internet is.

  • @Pfuetzenspringer

    @Pfuetzenspringer

    2 жыл бұрын

    Yes, indeed!

  • @suneasmussen2650

    @suneasmussen2650

    2 жыл бұрын

    I think I would add 'deep' to that list of attributes. While honest and coming from the heart are also great markers they can easily be co-opted by cliché and stereotype right? That is why Hollywood movies (perhaps especially seen with European eyes) can become so teeth-grindingly unpleasant right - because it's all from the heart but lacking the depth or profundity that is needed for emotioanlity to have relevance as more than merely emotional porn.

  • @markgado8782

    @markgado8782

    2 жыл бұрын

    Well said sir. 🤠👍

  • @jennbradley3966
    @jennbradley39662 жыл бұрын

    I love Heather's voice. She should start a channel where she reads classic literature.

  • @ArtU4All

    @ArtU4All

    2 жыл бұрын

    She a bit too fast at reading and swallows the endings. I.e., modulation needs some work. Unless a sound engineer can compensate. Otherwise, I love The Pair.

  • @andreacameron7463

    @andreacameron7463

    2 жыл бұрын

    There are certain people whose voices have an immediately calming effect on me, Heather is one!

  • @m-bronte

    @m-bronte

    2 жыл бұрын

    Heather is easy to listen too, she is Brett's balance.

  • @jonny2waggons825

    @jonny2waggons825

    2 жыл бұрын

    They both have awesome radio voices, as they might say in the past

  • @jonny2waggons825

    @jonny2waggons825

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@m-bronte right? They are so tuned to each other

  • @margriethover1
    @margriethover12 жыл бұрын

    These conversations have helped me so much to survive in these dystopian times. Thank you so much for sharing.

  • @davidrhodes6016

    @davidrhodes6016

    2 жыл бұрын

    Remember when not everyone was crazy? :)

  • @mindymelnychuk5328
    @mindymelnychuk53282 жыл бұрын

    I NEVER comment on videos, but can't not do it this time. This was such a thoroughly enjoyable conversation to listen to. Listening to the 3 of you is a priveledge, an encouragement, and an education. I wish you'd continued your discussion for hours:) Thank you for sharing you minds with us!

  • @matthewbecker7389
    @matthewbecker73892 жыл бұрын

    I love watching Brett and Heather being interviewed as a couple... It's like they're at this beautiful point where they're sharing a brain between themselves. A bit like when twins talk... Love it.

  • @faithe54

    @faithe54

    2 жыл бұрын

    They are true and rare soulmates.

  • @causeimdeep

    @causeimdeep

    2 жыл бұрын

    They definitely only have one brain between them, you nailed it

  • @matthewbecker7389

    @matthewbecker7389

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@causeimdeep Ha! There I was trying to be nice, but that's frigging funny! Nice one.

  • @karinberryman2009

    @karinberryman2009

    2 жыл бұрын

    Because it’s a very rare couple who converse as cohesively as Heather and Bret, it’s tempting to believe they really do think like twins.

  • @delachesnaisthibaut2013
    @delachesnaisthibaut20132 жыл бұрын

    When Dr Petersons says "so let's just talk about the birds" and with these three you know you'll learn and 5 minutes later you'll look at yourself and everyone differently from before ahah. Love it. Thanks to the three of you!

  • @cwfilli
    @cwfilli2 жыл бұрын

    It is simply amazing to see these three get into the "flow". What a gift to humanity! Thank you.

  • @kbeetles
    @kbeetles2 жыл бұрын

    I love these people because they are intelligent, knowledgable, curious, open, honest truth-seekers - and on top of that, they are genuine with the right amount of humility and confidence. Such a pleasure to see you together and think with you!

  • @icarapelicana

    @icarapelicana

    2 жыл бұрын

    Lovely

  • @cynthiacools-lartigue5297

    @cynthiacools-lartigue5297

    2 жыл бұрын

    The humble humility is greatly appreciated and most likely endears them to many. This is critical thinking at its best.

  • @aliasfakename2267

    @aliasfakename2267

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@andybaldman more or less rational than seeking out videos you don't agree with and insisting you're right to random people in the comments?

  • @kbeetles

    @kbeetles

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@andybaldman - so your response has no emotions at all? Imagining people drinking cool-aid is a perfectly rational statement. (?) May I suggest you dig into Iain McGilchrist's presentations on why relying on the narrow-mechanistically inclined, over confident rationalistic worldview is a dumb proposition. If you still happen to be a reader (?) - he produced two huge books on the subject of brain hemispheres' differing attitude to interpreting the world (The Master and His Emissary, The Matter with Matter) - fantastically enlightening especially for narrow-thinking founts of wisdom, like you seem to be......

  • @TriggerIreland
    @TriggerIreland2 жыл бұрын

    A true spectacle of a conversation. That we can witness an interaction like this freely is something to be grateful for. Thank you.

  • @danmarks5791
    @danmarks57912 жыл бұрын

    The amount of enrichment I've received from these 3 individuals is amazing. Thank you all for the work you do in helping individuals learn and improve their lives

  • @jamesdyson7126
    @jamesdyson71262 жыл бұрын

    Thank You Jordan, Heather, and Bret for this discussion !

  • @cecilcharlesofficial
    @cecilcharlesofficial2 жыл бұрын

    Hey Jordan. Please, please consider having James Lindsay on your podcast. The world needs the two of you talking, now more than ever.

  • @RendimientoSimple

    @RendimientoSimple

    2 жыл бұрын

    James is a big player, in discovering what's happening in critical theory.

  • @Seeker7257

    @Seeker7257

    2 жыл бұрын

    What do you think about evolution?

  • @careym3901

    @careym3901

    2 жыл бұрын

    YES!

  • @umiluv

    @umiluv

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@Seeker7257 - that God created the process of evolution which allows for all of his creation to be highly adaptive depending on changing situations. It’s far grander than intelligent design. Intelligent design limits the Creator to the limitations of the human mind.

  • @GabrielaHandalArt

    @GabrielaHandalArt

    2 жыл бұрын

    YES PLZ

  • @ZacharyDial
    @ZacharyDial2 жыл бұрын

    I wish they'd have gone on for 6+ hours because man, these conversations are one of the few things that give me hope. Their comments on raising children are awesome too, and I've tried to practice what they preach with my own daughter and I definitely feel like I'm on the right track, and for that alone I have eternal gratitude. Thanks to all 3 of you guys, and I hope we get one of these every few months at the least! 😁

  • @iTellaThePun

    @iTellaThePun

    2 жыл бұрын

    Instead of 6 hours, I will take a monthly meetup. Perhaps with Gad Saad in the mix.

  • @galenschultz3239

    @galenschultz3239

    2 жыл бұрын

    I was having a hard time not yelling every time Jordan interrupted an interesting point in the middle of it being made. Flow state my ass, professor. This was not his best attempt.

  • @S.A.N.503
    @S.A.N.5032 жыл бұрын

    I found Bret and Heather about a year ago at the beginning of the covid nonsense, and im happy to see a lot of what they were warning, be taken seriously. Finally! Absolutely love it when Jordan teams up for a conversation. Just live it.

  • @RSSIPPEL.ART.
    @RSSIPPEL.ART.2 жыл бұрын

    I completed College level Biology 3 and 4 in high school; and even though I studied visual art in College; that Bio Foundation lead me to stay current on biotechnology innovation. Heather and Brett, keep me thinking and better informed. Thanks Jordan, for keeping them, in the spotlight where they belong.

  • @erc4375
    @erc43752 жыл бұрын

    When Bret said "our level of flexibility is not up to a rate of change where we literally do not mature into the same world in which we were born" I got a strong chill. I think this topic is one of the most important issues facing youth today and going forward and it warrants a full discussion all on its own. The problem is only further exacerbated when parents, teachers, councillors, etc., give children a vision of a world that just doesn't really exist anymore.

  • @katarinahinsey3931

    @katarinahinsey3931

    2 жыл бұрын

    You should read their book

  • @bonniethompson3496

    @bonniethompson3496

    2 жыл бұрын

    There are portions of our human history that NEED to be remembered and transmitted to those who will never otherwise comprehend how and what adaptations were made before the explosive pace of change altered everything. Some ideas must, MUST be understood before it is decided whether they live or die. Human life depends on such considerations.

  • @richardouvrier3078

    @richardouvrier3078

    2 жыл бұрын

    according to an IBM employee, a generation is 15 yrs now, where once it was 30.

  • @MM-zw3qp
    @MM-zw3qp2 жыл бұрын

    Being in Portland we're always grateful other voices like Heather and Bret come from this often schizophrenic place. They are a positive influence in promoting dialogue. Just participating on JP's podcast is awesome and help many of us feel that we are not as isolated in the wilderness as we may feel.

  • @akkalange6359

    @akkalange6359

    2 жыл бұрын

    very good

  • @AlanDantes76

    @AlanDantes76

    2 жыл бұрын

    They certainly have been a positive voice in spreading paranoia about the vaccines. If that's your thing.

  • @jibrocks8996

    @jibrocks8996

    2 жыл бұрын

    Better than gene therapy that lasts 2 months

  • @AlanDantes76

    @AlanDantes76

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@phasespace4700 Fair enough, but Ivermectin has its uses with humans. It just hasn't been shown to have any efficacy whatsoever with Covid.

  • @hailtothe_rooster1572

    @hailtothe_rooster1572

    2 жыл бұрын

    A false sense of security will lull you into your already complacent lifestyle. Change it…. Quit complying… that’s the only way you get out of your situation.

  • @sportysbusiness
    @sportysbusiness2 жыл бұрын

    This is the best conversation I've heard from any of you. 1.5 hours has just flown past and my head is spinning with new ideas and perspectives. Thank you all.

  • @eb6935
    @eb69352 жыл бұрын

    Oh my freaking gosh This is such an amazing captivating mind busting interview. I want to be with these beautiful people and listen for EVER!

  • @corvuslight
    @corvuslight2 жыл бұрын

    What a privilege to be able to listen to this discussion from these wonderful human beings. Thank you.

  • @HeadCoachKev
    @HeadCoachKev2 жыл бұрын

    Thank You, Dr. Peterson for your decades of Learning and Sharing a Righteous Lifestyle & Mindset.

  • @vettevegas8549

    @vettevegas8549

    2 жыл бұрын

    So agree.

  • @daveh4925

    @daveh4925

    2 жыл бұрын

    The mind that created your icon picture needs separating from society

  • @HeadCoachKev

    @HeadCoachKev

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@daveh4925 are you a Bot or a Troll?🤣

  • @daveh4925

    @daveh4925

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@HeadCoachKev lol just joking

  • @AdmiringObserverR
    @AdmiringObserverR2 жыл бұрын

    I need the audio of this episode saved. This was so interesting. I love these topics and ideas and they make so much sense. I wish I existed in realms where folks like this could be in my immediate community, who I could relate with about raising children and learn from their wisdom.

  • @Jaze2022
    @Jaze20222 жыл бұрын

    So wonderful to see friends talk together, sharing ideas and rifting on each other. There were some differences in thought but I can tell it was sufficient to share the perspective. There was no battle to win. I bet someone's going to comment on the interruptions. Lets just say it happens when you're having an exciting conversation.

  • @ChickVicious237
    @ChickVicious2372 жыл бұрын

    My favorite people all together, these are the best discussions. Thank you so much for sharing your conversations with each other, we're truly privileged to be included! Much love from New York.

  • @kingfisher9725

    @kingfisher9725

    2 жыл бұрын

    And from Germany as well 😊

  • @Ragnarok6664

    @Ragnarok6664

    2 жыл бұрын

    And from Sweden 🇸🇪

  • @ceili

    @ceili

    2 жыл бұрын

    And from Ireland

  • @urenag1

    @urenag1

    2 жыл бұрын

    Here in Canada too!

  • @davidroderick1493

    @davidroderick1493

    2 жыл бұрын

    Do I have to chime in from Baja Mexico. The nights are so dark that if a neighbor leaves an outside light on he confronted by neighbors with pitch forks.

  • @codyhelms1673
    @codyhelms16732 жыл бұрын

    38:56 It is refreshing to see someone as brilliant as Peterson literally grasp his skull with info overload/enlightenment like I do on a fairly regular basis when I listen to/read his work and the work of those like him.

  • @bacon_cool7100

    @bacon_cool7100

    2 жыл бұрын

    Same.

  • @allyourbase888

    @allyourbase888

    2 жыл бұрын

    I had to pause this video several times due to intellectual overwhelm. So many connections forming and dissolving leading to a Mandelbrot alignment of sorts is how it feels to me.

  • @triciavega-jeter4145
    @triciavega-jeter41452 жыл бұрын

    I love being able to listen in on your conversations--simulates a part of my intellect that is hard to get at and I throughly enjoy! Thanks

  • @christophernoe5857
    @christophernoe58572 жыл бұрын

    What a brilliant and insightful conversation, well done Jordan, Heather, and Brett. I appreciate all of your work to the fullest.

  • @TruthAndFiction1776
    @TruthAndFiction17762 жыл бұрын

    The connections made in this podcast were absolutely mind blowing. There is so much substance here it’s overwhelming and yet mind expanding. A tremendous amount to unpack. Outstanding! Thank you!

  • @vettevegas8549

    @vettevegas8549

    2 жыл бұрын

    Planning many repeat viewings of this one.

  • @hdhdhdhhdhdhhdhdhf3479

    @hdhdhdhhdhdhhdhdhf3479

    2 жыл бұрын

    Bunch of grifters who accomplished nothing and just talk about dtufg

  • @ogjlynch

    @ogjlynch

    2 жыл бұрын

    Absolutely! Couldn’t believe how long it was, felt like it flew by! 😭

  • @gigstrail7180

    @gigstrail7180

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@hdhdhdhhdhdhhdhdhf3479 yet another hard of hearing you are.

  • @forgottenpygmy

    @forgottenpygmy

    2 жыл бұрын

    I came to leave this comment, too. Well said, Don.

  • @hellowell3743
    @hellowell37432 жыл бұрын

    Wow, this is like an Avengers assembly. Great to see Bret and Heather on with JP.

  • @growingweedisfordummies4190

    @growingweedisfordummies4190

    2 жыл бұрын

    right, their missing joe rogan as the Thing, and they could easily be the Fantastic four

  • @holliebingham1311

    @holliebingham1311

    2 жыл бұрын

    1000% 🤩

  • @ledjoajdje3796

    @ledjoajdje3796

    2 жыл бұрын

    Dr. Peterson is Tony Stark. Bret more like Bruce banner

  • @mymusic8414

    @mymusic8414

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@ledjoajdje3796 Nah Peterson is reed richards

  • @AllMoneyInDre

    @AllMoneyInDre

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@growingweedisfordummies4190 That would be amazing. Anything Joe Rogan or Peterson is stellar

  • @infinitecuriosity9210
    @infinitecuriosity92102 жыл бұрын

    I can't say enough about how much Bret and heather have taught me. But also they were the very few truth tellers about the lab scenerio, I saw on bill maher they helped me continue to critically think thru all the propaganda. ✨🇨🇦

  • @lizbec1085
    @lizbec10852 жыл бұрын

    I feel like I’ve earned an additional college degree since I began following these 3 professors several years ago! Brilliance! Thank you All! Finally ordered your new book, Heather and Brett! Can’t wait! See you on your, Jordan!

  • @razorbladder
    @razorbladder2 жыл бұрын

    The conversations with Brett & Heather have consistently been my favourite and this one was phenomenal, the engagement ratcheted up all the way to the end! Absolutely essential!

  • @GeorgecPanos

    @GeorgecPanos

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@WoodenWizard howdy woody

  • @foxriver576
    @foxriver5762 жыл бұрын

    I am thankful for the existence of this man.

  • @TheShootist

    @TheShootist

    2 жыл бұрын

    I am grateful for all three.

  • @chiaramadonna1088
    @chiaramadonna10882 жыл бұрын

    There is so much to be gained from this conversation. And the intersection of ideas between psychology and ideology and evolutionary biology was incredible- I didn't expect that. Wow wow wow. Thank you.

  • @Ilhemworld
    @Ilhemworld2 жыл бұрын

    So much knowledge offered by these amazing professors I'm grateful for this podcast

  • @parochial2356
    @parochial23562 жыл бұрын

    This reminds video me of a candy commercial from years ago: Jordan: "You got evolution in my psychology." Bret and Heather: "You got psychology in our evolution" 3 great minds that go great together.

  • @carllund8534
    @carllund85342 жыл бұрын

    Heroes appear in our greatest hour of need. It is astonishing to me that the three of you rose from relative obscurity to fame around the same time for remarkably similar reasons. Not only am I nourished intellectually but spiritually as well; both wisdom and knowledge simultaneously.

  • @mcmescbanner
    @mcmescbanner2 жыл бұрын

    What a gift to be able to listen to you all. Long format, in depth, intelligent and researched discussion. Thank you JP.

  • @carloslegorreta675
    @carloslegorreta6752 жыл бұрын

    To the three of you. Deep appreciation for your academic knowledge, but total admiration for your human quality. Academic pedantry is totally absent in your performances … you are so inspirational ! Thanks.

  • @AleksandarIvanov69
    @AleksandarIvanov692 жыл бұрын

    I think the two most destructive challenges of modern life are: 1. Overstimulation 2. Overcomfort Implementing strategies to habitually control for them are 80% of the battle towards a good life.

  • @CK-dp6je

    @CK-dp6je

    2 жыл бұрын

    EXACTLY! Honestly, most modern Americans suffer from affluence

  • @Ali-kq7yv

    @Ali-kq7yv

    2 жыл бұрын

    Sounds like what the guide to the good life by William Irvine teaches, worth a read.

  • @gordonsirek9001

    @gordonsirek9001

    2 жыл бұрын

    Define for me what "a good life" is to you.

  • @anotherknafguy3679

    @anotherknafguy3679

    2 жыл бұрын

    I agree but would argue that these challenges are not inherently destructive, instead they are conditions present in the environment that have destructive consequences for individuals that cannot adapt to or mitigate the dangers of them.

  • @JimmyJaxJellyStax

    @JimmyJaxJellyStax

    2 жыл бұрын

    Meditation is more necessary than ever today

  • @nathanielsutton227
    @nathanielsutton2272 жыл бұрын

    This is beyond refreshing. This talk gives me hope. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I need more if this.

  • @paulm749

    @paulm749

    2 жыл бұрын

    Indeed - don't we all!

  • @hivolco151
    @hivolco1512 жыл бұрын

    I totally loved the discussion on "small talk" I would say it is essential in feeling out where to "go" or where not to go in the conversation.... FOR SURE it is very important!... Love you all... I am crazy about tuning in to Darkhorse podcasts each weekend and Thrilled to see this TRIO discuss so many topics that are relevant in our ever changing techno-environment. :)

  • @Cander617
    @Cander6172 жыл бұрын

    Oh I'm so happy to see you all happy and healthy and I'm soo happy to hear this conversation, thank you all for your wisdom!! Man I could listen to them talk daily, if they put out a 3 houe conversation id never miss 1 i love it and them such a great example of what human beings can aspire to.

  • @YHWHsaves-dot-com
    @YHWHsaves-dot-com2 жыл бұрын

    I love being a fly on the wall in these conversations.

  • @Raymal100
    @Raymal1002 жыл бұрын

    Peterson obviously goes through it. Not every day is the best day. Some intros get straight to business. But when he says friends, smiling and excited, I believe he means that. Everytime I hear these 3 speak, I gain wisdom.

  • @TheShootist

    @TheShootist

    2 жыл бұрын

    yeah, they are friends.

  • @vettevegas8549

    @vettevegas8549

    2 жыл бұрын

    And love.

  • @miriamcombe3033

    @miriamcombe3033

    2 жыл бұрын

    Beware of unearned wisdom 🙂

  • @vettevegas8549

    @vettevegas8549

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@miriamcombe3033 Hey. I get the irony.

  • @justanothernick3984

    @justanothernick3984

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@TheShootist Friends who knows nothing or have surface level insight into the persons life is more known as an acquaintance. This was an interesting discussion. But with a lot of guessing and some one-upping on JBPs side. JBP is getting to sound like a broken record at this point. The religious symbolisms, the egyptian metaphors... I get that he has been through a really tough stretch and he is amusing to listen to but I would caution to take him seriously. He is the old man telling the youth stories about the good days, trying to stay relevant. And if it keeps him sober, more power to him as he is used to say.

  • @buckeyeborn65
    @buckeyeborn652 жыл бұрын

    I absolutely adore all three of you! On a side note, I've never seen Heather speak so quickly.... lol Jordan really reminds me of myself when I get excited about a conversation that I'm knowledgeable about. It's refreshing to see such wonderful people have a delightful conversation. Thank you!!

  • @battlefield4iguess54
    @battlefield4iguess542 жыл бұрын

    They look so happy having these conversations together. It is very infectious. Love the three of you, you give the world hope ✌

  • @dustinmckennon
    @dustinmckennon2 жыл бұрын

    It’s pretty damn incredible when you see three successful people achieving more success by the minute and just by listening and learning you can be a part of that success too!

  • @sharkwang1542

    @sharkwang1542

    2 жыл бұрын

    @Solitaire Surely if you’re that intelligent/qualified you’ll have the opportunity to meet him on a debate stage someday. Let us know when that’s coming up.

  • @faithe54

    @faithe54

    2 жыл бұрын

    Would be better to let that inspiration help create your own success. You don't really want to be Jordan Peterson, do you?

  • @Alexander.Berglund
    @Alexander.Berglund2 жыл бұрын

    These two have been an absolute beacon of rationality throughout the pandemic and I am so thankful for their online presence! Really looking forward to listening to them talk to Peterson them on, always a pleasure :)

  • @vixantenna

    @vixantenna

    2 жыл бұрын

    What's rational or enlightened about peddling misinformation and directly causing the death of your viewers?

  • @maxfern5701

    @maxfern5701

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@vixantenna Unlike your very rational and enlightened comment of course. Way to go.

  • @mmccrownus2406

    @mmccrownus2406

    2 жыл бұрын

    Comment something interesting AFTER

  • @mondavou9408

    @mondavou9408

    2 жыл бұрын

    Err slight correction, these three. :-) Just because you went to the same school, then worked at the same place, and co habitat, and collaborate, its doesn't make you the same. Just poking fun at you. I agree with you, I found them to be a beacon not just in the pandemic but in this strange reality I find myself immersed.

  • @ImEverythingYouCrave

    @ImEverythingYouCrave

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@vixantenna You got a source for that bud?

  • @matthewbenitez7804
    @matthewbenitez78042 жыл бұрын

    Just so unbelievably grateful that these 3 and others alike have been so courageous in their ventures and pioneering..what a gift it’s been to have access such thought provoking and helpful/raw discussions of ideas and truths. Bless them

  • @northwoodfalls1403
    @northwoodfalls14032 жыл бұрын

    Wow, was this a feast of a conversation. Just can’t even find the right word, but “play” certainly about does it. That feeling of being energized, fully engaged, delighted, intrigued, and having curiosity sparked …. Fantastic. Thank you so much, Jordan, Bret, and Heather.

  • @andrewjones5144
    @andrewjones51442 жыл бұрын

    I only made it 3:30 into this podcast and already knew it would be gold by the effort and intent Heather and Bret put into listening to Peterson’s questions. You can literally see it.

  • @kabayev
    @kabayev2 жыл бұрын

    This is/was a really great conversation. I just wish it would have been longer. There were a few branches of significant thought that were left unexplored. For example, Heather was making a point how there weren’t many archetypal (female narratives). I wanted to hear what she was going with that. I suppose they’re going to need some more conversations

  • @seekingtruth93

    @seekingtruth93

    2 жыл бұрын

    I screamed when Jordan spoke over Heather and interjected "Beauty and the Beast" and then laughed when I saw her reaction....... I was genuinely curious to know what her perspective was on that. Then the point was never finished ! 😢

  • @kathybumphrey699
    @kathybumphrey6992 жыл бұрын

    Great talk by 3 of my favourite podcasters!! I learn so much from all of you and you’re so good at articulating in a way that non-scientific people understand. I have the book and finished reading it in Dec discussing chapters with my spouse as I went along. I love what they brought to the forefront in it…laid out from beginning to modernity and weird how much relates to right now! Thanks, we needed this book!!!

  • @Kimmyqween
    @Kimmyqween2 жыл бұрын

    To see three beautiful minds who are good friends talking to each other about complex concepts is such a heartwarming and awesome experience

  • @davidgardner4779
    @davidgardner47792 жыл бұрын

    To say that I appreciate the three of you is a massive understatement. Thank you for being honest seekers of truth and continuously seeking to become more and more aware of your own biases and being honest and open about them so that we can (hopefully) continue to move forward together as good faith actors in this grand play. 🙏⚒️☸️🔥🙏

  • @vettevegas8549

    @vettevegas8549

    2 жыл бұрын

    It is beyond words.

  • @mihaelaclaudiap..2
    @mihaelaclaudiap..22 жыл бұрын

    If you are here watching this, it means you understood something in life! I salute you!

  • @annemariem5084
    @annemariem50842 жыл бұрын

    i love love LOVE!!! your conversations!!! The enthusiasm, the knowledge, the JOY in sharing your ideas!!!

  • @adamdrouin2295
    @adamdrouin22952 жыл бұрын

    The ultimate podcast. Three of my favorite true modern intellectuals I listen to. Thank you for all of the important work you do in a world that desperately needs it

  • @enoughnonsenseplease3780
    @enoughnonsenseplease37802 жыл бұрын

    Hearing Jordan go off about "that damn pufferfish" was hilarious.

  • @armandohenriqueramosminucc4749
    @armandohenriqueramosminucc47492 жыл бұрын

    Please, have Mr. Thomas Sowell for us. We need to have this conversation for future generations.

  • @JimmyJaxJellyStax

    @JimmyJaxJellyStax

    2 жыл бұрын

    Yes! This would be a glorious masterful exchange of wisdoms

  • @kittentacticalwarfare1140

    @kittentacticalwarfare1140

    2 жыл бұрын

    Don't know if it gonna happen. JP got lots of hate just for not bending the knee and having an opinion divergent to some political hacks. Dr. Thomas is and even deeper level of a topic that sadly has become politicized and weaponized by the corrupt establisment. Doubt JP would risk exposing to the drama that always brings.

  • @Darrylizer1
    @Darrylizer12 жыл бұрын

    I love this sort of conversation. Thanks! Perfect for listening to at work.

  • @antoinelanz8427
    @antoinelanz84272 жыл бұрын

    Thank God for Dr JP and conversations like this. Also lovely to see Dr. Peterson getting so much better at letting his guests talk for longer - the interchange of ideas here was priceless. Just bought the audio book and am already enjoying it immensely.

  • @memopinzon
    @memopinzon2 жыл бұрын

    3 of my favorite people. I hope Heather recovers from COVID soon. :)

  • @Seeker7257

    @Seeker7257

    2 жыл бұрын

    GOD bless you.

  • @memopinzon

    @memopinzon

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@Seeker7257 God bless you too!

  • @kwnorton5834
    @kwnorton58342 жыл бұрын

    Good on you all for speaking to this. Deep within the matrix of 2022 I found myself turning away from some of my primary motivations and turned back to music - became a drummer. Truth is truth - wherever we find it. Drumming is fundamental to our evolution. The vibe, the beat will always be.

  • @joelmariscal4206
    @joelmariscal42062 жыл бұрын

    It's so nice to see the excitement on their faces to just actually hang out and talk, love it 🥲

  • @lynnemccowan4447
    @lynnemccowan44472 жыл бұрын

    A good uplifting conversation. Always enjoy listening to you Jordan and the expertise and polished conversation with Brett and Heather

  • @janefaceinthewind6260
    @janefaceinthewind62602 жыл бұрын

    Love professor Peterson's pronunciation of "niche". It comes from French, after all. A fantastic discussion with a very important subject and brilliant guests, thank you so much.

  • @mustlearnmore4884

    @mustlearnmore4884

    2 жыл бұрын

    That's actually how I pronounce it too, although I'm from the UK. "Divided by a common language"... 🙂

  • @GrubKiller436

    @GrubKiller436

    2 жыл бұрын

    How does he say it? I usually say neesh.

  • @ohwellwhateverr

    @ohwellwhateverr

    2 жыл бұрын

    That’s how we pronounce it in the UK, too. It’s always jarring when Americans say “nitch”!

  • @GrubKiller436

    @GrubKiller436

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@ohwellwhateverr Didn't he say nitch in the video?

  • @lindosland

    @lindosland

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@GrubKiller436 No, but Bret and Heather insisted on doing so.

  • @emergence8217
    @emergence82172 жыл бұрын

    Bret , Heather and Jordan.. liked it even before I watched it. 😇

  • @Chessnut49
    @Chessnut492 жыл бұрын

    This was truly an enjoyable episode. Thank you for hosting this couple. Looking forward to getting their book.

  • @valeriecalder1273
    @valeriecalder12732 жыл бұрын

    This is a wonderful conversation, as it connects so well with your previous discussions regarding the human condition. Thank you all for sharing.

  • @MrGowface
    @MrGowface2 жыл бұрын

    Such a pleasant conversation. You can tell there is true mutual admiration. Seeing the novel intersections between Jordan and Bret/Heather's thinking was a treat.

  • @egolayer13
    @egolayer132 жыл бұрын

    Jordan and Bret are always a treat. Add Heather into the mix and you've got a trio I could watch every week.

  • @bradodilo7569
    @bradodilo75692 жыл бұрын

    Simply brilliant, insightful and eye-opening. Thank you! I I also get the vibe that Bret and Heather are warm couple and people in real life. Godspeed!

  • @fernan3987
    @fernan39872 жыл бұрын

    Thank you! It was one of the most interesting discussions I've watched. I hope you can meet again soon and continue teaching us new things. Hugs from a Spaniard in Tokyo.

  • @ericbryan6825
    @ericbryan68252 жыл бұрын

    Honest conversations will save the world. Thank you for this one…it was fun as well as brilliant.

  • @JRD_Youtube
    @JRD_Youtube2 жыл бұрын

    I was just thinking I needed more Jordan today, and here it is!

  • @Gregory-ud6zq

    @Gregory-ud6zq

    2 жыл бұрын

    Same

  • @wally993
    @wally9932 жыл бұрын

    Excellent and insightful podcast as always. I’m glad each of you have gotten out of university’s and colleges to stretch the reach of your ideas to people whom otherwise would not have had the opportunity to digest them. Thank you.

  • @therealbradyd3897
    @therealbradyd38972 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for the podcast Jordan, this was a great listen. A lot of knowledge to unpack. Looking forward to seeing you on tour in April!

  • @patriciapalmer1377
    @patriciapalmer13772 жыл бұрын

    Never miss a Dark Horse podcast, they are an intellect injection you will enjoy, readily understandable, and relatable. Fantastic book.

  • @nevesdarocha
    @nevesdarocha2 жыл бұрын

    I have autism and I am multi-lingual. I have actually found that, while language is wonderful, it actually gets in the way a lot. People often are sending two messages at once, without even being aware of it. Our speech doesn't match what's actually happening the majority of the time and it is absolutely maddening to try to communicate with people who have no idea why they are saying what they are saying beyond trying to fill the 'uncomfortable silence'.

  • @here7036

    @here7036

    2 жыл бұрын

    I am undiagnosed but a mishmosh of neurodivergent and mentally fucked up. I've always said the same thing, especially because I read people quite well. But just to play devil's advocate, maybe we are missing some of the nuances of why they do that, as was discussed in this conversation. I don't know if I'll ever be able to stand small talk that doesn't quickly veer somewhere interesting, though, no matter how much I understand its purpose :D

  • @dmitrystarovoitov1

    @dmitrystarovoitov1

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@Magoover1 Sure, it does seem like the "emotional intelligence" meme is some vague measure of ability to "non-rationally" navigate social interactions. I also dislike small talk, because it appears to mean nothing. Judging by this freaking podcast, I might outgrow this some day.

  • @katarinahinsey3931

    @katarinahinsey3931

    2 жыл бұрын

    Unfortunately small talk often veers into vicious gossip. People who fill their voids with empty words are just as willing to hurt others for entertainment.

  • @here7036

    @here7036

    2 жыл бұрын

    EQ describes a real thing, just as what you're describing does

  • @billd6069
    @billd60692 жыл бұрын

    Thank you. Great conversation. Three wonderful people. This came up on autoplay, and I listened to the whole conversation.

  • @duster121
    @duster1212 жыл бұрын

    I am getting this book! Thanks for sharing this with us, Dr. Peterson -- really excited to dig into the book. To listen to these three people "play" in the flow state of ideas is inspiring, comforting, and so very helpful.

  • @Mainecoon_Izzy
    @Mainecoon_Izzy2 жыл бұрын

    Three of my favorite people engaged in intellectual conversation is powerful & much appreciated, IMO❣️

  • @jakek5904
    @jakek59042 жыл бұрын

    Awesome conversation! Thank you Heather, Bret and Jordan for you time and energy. Please keep the discussions coming. Looking forward to reading your book. Godspeed. :-)

  • @aaronj628
    @aaronj6282 жыл бұрын

    I feel extremely privileged to have been able to listen to this discussion. What a fascinating time to be alive to be able to have access to such insight.

  • @theDanWshow
    @theDanWshow2 жыл бұрын

    This is a great conversation. Heather and Brett congrats on your new book and I'm looking forward to the second one. Jordan, thank you for hosting this beautiful couple.

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