Thanks for the review Witse @White Sea Studio ! 3 things : - we are adding our own version of the Nebula in 2 weeks - we are adding many more modules [including waveform] asap - your are totally right about the consequences of being above OR under the LUFS target. Thus, we are considering adding an Above tolerance and an Under tolerance.

@swencort

2 жыл бұрын

@PROCESS.AUDIO: wow! excellent news! @White Sea Studio: Nice video, thank you :)

@mahatisgreen

2 жыл бұрын

Do you have no shame how far are you going to copy the analyzer from flux?!

@PROCESSAUDIO

2 жыл бұрын

@@mahatisgreen hmmm is doesn't quite do the same things... VUs, unlimited iPad connections, real modularity... and more

@mahatisgreen

2 жыл бұрын

@@PROCESSAUDIO it’s not because you add stuff that is not in the original that it doesn’t make what you did a reap off but I guess you will not admit this…

@Whiteseastudio

2 жыл бұрын

Quitte honestly, I like that they are creating an analyser with the same capabilities as the flux one… The flux is nice, but the software engineering of it has never felt really great…

EPIC REVOLUTION ON THIS CHANNEL!! *HE ACTUALLY DID REALLY PLAY DARUDE - SANDSTORM THIS TIME!!!*

@CLaw-tb5gg

2 жыл бұрын

What do you mean? He always plays Sandstorm

@-Deena.

2 жыл бұрын

You clearly don't know your Sandstorm remixes.

@Mr_Kri

2 жыл бұрын

These are not the droids you're looking for...

@dman030

2 жыл бұрын

it was actually Darude - Sandworms

@bringyourownheart

2 жыл бұрын

@@CLaw-tb5gg Right?

Dan Worrall won the loudness war in the most amazingly nuclear way.

@Magic.Pixie.Dreamgirl

2 жыл бұрын

He sure did 😂

@Noisa

2 жыл бұрын

Yet it’s still going on, sadly. Many albums still hitting -7 to -8lufs

Dan Worrall was like "fine ill end it myself"

Emphasising how much you don't care about what the studio looks like, while simultaneously showing you've installed customisable LEDs. It's ok to care about aesthetics.

Wytse, your rant studio on lighting/looks and the whole vanity of our age... that was golden. You're the real deal man 😂 I do spend more time than I "should" customizing the looks of my workspace and even of my Ableton projects. However, I truly enjoy matching my space and tools to the vibe I'm going for in my music, and for me personally it makes me more likely to spend more time in that space. That being said, I will never in a thousand years pretend it makes my music better or anything. Those are two completely separate things and as with anything else, there is a point of diminishing returns.

Thanks for the loudnesstalk. Was for me the most interesting part of the video :)

Thanks for the great tip! I am testing it now!

Few things, Lufs "target" is a dynamic range you are allowed to play inside, (the "target" number is actually one extreme end on this range) So you can go above but not below, do whats best for the music at the same percieved volume. For this reason and many others, I use external metering after my monitor control, so my volume to my ears are independent of different loudness:es, platforms etc, and I use the monitor control to playback and reference quickly inside and outside of daw. Its good to use rms at a few seconds reading or lufs short term for this :)

I bought an 29" ultrawidescreen monitor which I mounted above my regular monitor just to display the plugin. It is awesome, very useful and it doesn't hurt that it looks cool. Would love to see some more retro skins with textures

For Reaper, use the JS Input Line Viewer, embed it in your master mixer track, done! Add ReSpectrum and Loudness Meter same way and you've basically got Insight right there

Very Good Tool ! I like the Pink .

Reaper does show the wave form. Oscilloscope Meter / Length

@electricwhiterabbit

2 жыл бұрын

Also in the new ReaLimit plugin too.

I have had a petpeeve for 50 years all the way back VU meters. The terms decibel, volume and loudness are for perceived sound only. What these terms are used for in the music/recording for the last umpteen years is properly the Amplitude and Delta thereof in an electronic circuit.

That looks quite useful if the iPad version could be used as an audio unit plugin in Cubasis. I use that for the mixing of Korg Gadget projects but I have no way of metering the LUFS. Currently I have to use Youlean Loudness meter on my PC with Cubase to check the dynamic range and fix / adjust the mix there if I feel the need to do so. I’m kind of obsessed with dynamic range and the waveform display gives me a really good impression on whether I succeeded in making the mix dynamic or not. It looks kinda neat, especially with the purple on black colour scheme.

This is very good, I just dont have moneys for metering plugins right now. Reaper's metering is great and has been getting better lately!

I'm with you on loudness. I like to stay around - 10 LUFS +/- 1. I found best results across the board staying around there and it retains a lot of dynamics.

@machoman7655

2 жыл бұрын

Fact - 10 LUFS is prefect that’s my target on my mastering.

@SpencerMMusic

2 жыл бұрын

I'm usually a -9.5 LUFS dude so right on!

I have a talk with every artist I work with about loudness and quality. I usually pull out Kid Cudi's Man on The Moon album as an example. It sounds great but degrades as you turn the volume up on your speakers. Every instrument is the same volume. No dynamic range. I loved that CD before I went to Audio Engineering school.

@kodykindhart5644

2 жыл бұрын

Isnt it funny like that The closer you get the more you see the imperfection It’s a compromise I believe Only so much room for audible frequencies at every given moment so it’s up to the mix to find the best possible way to show the song

@jorykevinberger7047

2 жыл бұрын

The interesting part about what you said was I loved that cd (before I went to Audio Engineering School). If you hadn’t gone, then would it matter? You loved that CD... I mean I agree with you on what you’re saying, and the saddest part is degrading quality goes unnoticed even by audio enthusiasts until they start to learn mixing themselves. All we can do is make a product we love. It matters to us, what I wonder is why it didn’t matter to the mixer/producer/mastering engineer who produced that record? Yet, it was loved... Conundrum.

you are truly hilarious while being simultaneously relevant thanks again dan worrel did make a good/great vid on limiter.

@kaustik185

2 жыл бұрын

Dan Worrall made a good video everytime he made a video

@brookbilney761

2 жыл бұрын

@@kaustik185 so true

@vmi4172

2 жыл бұрын

Get a room

@kaustik185

2 жыл бұрын

@@WillyJunior i think he sounds invested and eager to share his knowledge, having to hide childish joy about all things audio engineering

@brookbilney761

2 жыл бұрын

@@vmi4172 negativity is so 2020

Love the MCI OR SONY JH 24 in the background Used to be a pain to Align and bias… A great sounding machine

I just downloaded a trial before I saw your video, thanks!!! I really like the plug-in/app and personally use it with my iPhone which I attach to a desktop talkback mic stand. The only thing I found a little confusing is that when I compared it to Waves WLM and Fabfilter L2 the loudness readings were slightly off. The dB actually gave me more level to work with! What does that mean?

@SpencerMMusic

2 жыл бұрын

it means that they measure differently for some reason. run some tracks from your favorite engineers through it and see what they do! sometimes you have to learn your meters in the same way you need to learn your monitors. as long as your reference point is through the same plugin you're set.

While there are some good things here, the customisation options are standard now in Cubase 11 with Supervision, it’s really good

I love Decibel so far its amazing. still much cheaper than your fancy flux analyser which is $400!!!!! for a perpetual licence. Decibel will be adding new modules soon as well so the features you want will most likely appear very soon. also if you are a member of Puremix Decibel is FREE!!!! I was using spl hawkeye which is ok but the scaling sucks on older ipads and its laggy on sidecar without a cable. I got it cheap during a plug in alliance sale and cant afford flux so Hawkeye was the best i could find for a decent price so i am extremely happy with getting Decibel now. In Decibel you can also add dust and dirt with old VU meters which you missed a very important feature. hoping they add some different screws option in the future.

@PROCESSAUDIO

2 жыл бұрын

thanks Dav. Many more modules coming.

loudness is subjective? I believe that is one way to regard it we mix our tracks to please ourselves

Literally the only person I trust on KZread to review plugins 😂

When you played music through apple music, did you use a third party software like loopback to run the au/vst of Decibel? I.e. does Decibel read metering off the computer’s audio output instead of an instance of the plugin inserted in the DAW or loopback? Asking because in the scenario of using a room correction software like sonarworks, I always put my analyser plugin before sonarworks so that the analyser is not affected by the correction curve of sonarworks. I think being able to see the analyser on music straight from streaming platform would be very helpful, but if the meters are post room correction, that would not be so helpful.

DECIBEL

Older non-pro iPads, especially used, are not really that expensive and can probably run this well, so go for it

@PROCESSAUDIO

2 жыл бұрын

That's what we designed Decibel for. Recycle old Ipads and Android tablets so that you can revive them and put them on your side, all day long.

@Pinko-Diamond

2 жыл бұрын

i got refurbished Ipad Pro the first one for 100 bucks and it is better then most of the new non pro ones.

@icysasakimusic

2 жыл бұрын

@@PROCESSAUDIO please make it work on iPad 1

Hi mate, love you videos and new studio! I have a long analogue history and so, I’ve always found that 0vu analogue, lines up with -12 digital. That’s where I work. I might be old fashioned but isn’t that where we should be working? What’s your thoughts? Cheers

@PROCESSAUDIO

2 жыл бұрын

yup. - 12 is usually where your gear works better and where your analog converters convert better. All you have to do is is calibrate Decibel's VUs to your specs and off you go. You can even send it to a mobile device on the side and keep an eye on your recordings in real-time, making sure your needle hovers around 0VU.

Cubase has brilliant meters, not sure if you can put it on a ipad since I don’t own one heheh

You can see the waveform in Reaper: put the Oscilloscope Plugin in your Monitor FX and change some settings so it displays over time

These metering plugins need to have a "Pitch To A&R" calibration.

#WhiteSeaStudio Wytse... I'd very much like to know which Metering Suite is "The Most Accurate"! The problem I have, is that most of them are not accurate! Meaning...if it says it's .-01 db it's really +.01 db and clipping in a not good way! Is there any way to figure out which company has the most accurate plugin suite? Or maybe specifically? Like say Nugen Audio has the most accurate Phase Meter, and Flux Audio has the most accurate RTA, etc. Wondering because it will make my job a lot easier knowing which one I can trust. As they are all a bit off when mastering and that's causing BAD distortion that sounds like nails on a chalkboard to me! NOT THE GOOD DISTORTION! I do not have Flux btw, too rich for my blood.

This is simply the best meter out there. IPad connection rocks.

Y ou like this better than the TC hardware analyzer?

@gchad9391

2 жыл бұрын

Me! Updatable, customizable, more modules, more displays....

I agree with you for the most part, but the loudness is also genre dependent. Some styles of extreme metal could actually benefit from being pushed hard. Or EDM for instance

How does it compare to the TC Clarity M? The TC product is a little more expensive but it has a resale value and you don't need to use a tablet. What do you think?

@jonathankessler9853

2 жыл бұрын

Kind of late to the party but I know the Clarity has surround support snd im not sure off the top of my head if Decibel does so that could be one reason. Being able to sync it to a seemingly endless number of external tablets without having to use extra cables is also a really attractive selling point of the plug-in as you can take a massive iPad Pro and have all your metering on that 13” screen instead of taking up main screen real estate

"I don't like the fact that it's relevant, but I think it's relevant'....... well said :)

Bit like the Cubase 11 Pro metering setup...but not as good 😁🧡

Yes good speech, we need to interpetate better! Teach us the ways of loudnessness. LOL

Great, so if I upload my stuff to a streaming service I do not need the metering because they turn down the volume anyways. So why should I care?

thats crazy how homie says decibel like bell when I say it like deci-bowl like bowl like a cereal bowl Im Salvadorian American and the way people say words always amaze me.

Yoooo... great analyzer\

why extra ipad, why not small hdmi display?

Did you use the Lewitt mic for this video and did you post process it?

What kind of converters do you use

@stewartgc09

2 жыл бұрын

I believe he uses MOTU something or other with DANTE but I could be completely wrong

If you just use Sidecar on your iPad, you can open any metering plugin(s) you already own. $150 is a little steep for a metering plugin.

He actually turned on sandstorm ba darute omg

whats the video you were referring to regarding the "atomic bomb in loudness" I'm afraid I'm out of the loop lol

@jacksmith4460

2 жыл бұрын

Dan Worral channel, vid titled "I won the loudness war" kzread.info/dash/bejne/pZN1sKeKpZiypNI.html

@karmakaruna

2 жыл бұрын

@@jacksmith4460 cheers. thank you :)

Finally an analyzer that goes with the color of my lava lamp.

@amyodov

2 ай бұрын

“Lava lamp”, in singular? Do you mix in mono?

man why you didnt record myth 4 about pre-ring?

Music production is managing vibe.

I need the Christmas tree!!!

Choosing colors is always handy, especially for people who can't differentiate certain colors based on genetic conditions.

You don’t care about looks??? How many times did you talk about a screw head on a plug-in. Love your show, but let’s be honest, you do care about looks

@maumontekio7893

2 жыл бұрын

In the case of plugins, looks affect productivity

@SpencerMMusic

2 жыл бұрын

screws affect productivity??

Not a million miles from Steinberg Supervision which is included in Cubase11

No multipanorama or stereo phase meter?

@PROCESSAUDIO

2 жыл бұрын

it's coming in the next version.

@DashGlitch

2 жыл бұрын

@@PROCESSAUDIO Good work :)

In broadcast, if it's louder then -16 LUFs you're getting the mix back and can do it again...

@arjanpetersen

2 жыл бұрын

This is not broadcast

@joederbyshire_

2 жыл бұрын

Move outta the past buddy

@Whiteseastudio

2 жыл бұрын

Depends a bit, some broadcast situations require even lower numbers…

@hruettimann

2 жыл бұрын

Broadcast is usually -23 LUFS in Europe (EBU R. 128 standard) or -24 LUFS in the US and Australia (ATSC A/85 standard) for long form content. There are different standards for short form content (ads, promos, trailers, etc).

@jazzdirt

2 жыл бұрын

@@hruettimann You are right... Have been out for a while.. started mixing with dialogue level @ -16 dB and ended mixing to -23 LUFs.. The numbers somehow fell over in my brain.. I meant -23 LUFs

Why buy a whole iPad for the analyzer and not just a separate screen?

@SamHocking

2 жыл бұрын

You can run it on a screen or ipad/tablet or both at the same time.

@PROCESSAUDIO

2 жыл бұрын

You can have Decibel run on your different monitor (same computer). However, having it in your face at all times might get in the way of making music... Surely, a small tablet on the side is less disruptive. and you can keep your 2 main screens for big sessions.

@storeat8156

2 жыл бұрын

I think it can be sent to any tablet like an Amazon Fire tablet…$30.

Their Sugar plugin could be a nice review too

Nice! Only missing a spectrogram..

@PROCESSAUDIO

2 жыл бұрын

Spectrogram is coming

i agree, loudness is over rated.

Still can't fathom why some engineers think loud tracks signify the end of the world. Some tracks that are targeted at -14 LUFS can sound very skimpy (which is not great if you aren't aiming for that result), whilst some small minority of metal / EDM tracks, for example, manage to cover a large dynamic range, (going way above -14 LUFS in chorus sections) whilst still sounding loud and impactful.

@queenpurple8433

2 жыл бұрын

Example of an unlistenable loud album is Yoshimi battles the pink robots. Great songs but the sound gives me a headache from the overly pushed limiting. I’d rather just turn up my stereo....

What is the meter that you use with the wave form?

I thought we had flux for this, i mean flux is great, i love flux ever since i saw it on your channel, flux is really good, I didn't have money too have an I pad after buying flux...

I think, at least in eletronic dance music, the loudness compenstion is absolute bs. 90% of the times when im mixing, without even aiming to loud volume i get betwen -9 -7 Lufs and the limiter isnt even working... Just because of the sound procesing to make them agrssive

@shadowminer9439

2 жыл бұрын

And more. At -6 Lufs, kick has plenty of dinamics and punch. Important note, that i asume i actually know, punch doesnt all como from volume diference, specially if the transient is so short that the ear cant even react to it

I would buy that thing instantly but there is no oscillator...

My favourite feature from Flux is the spectrum analyzer's peak frequency label. I use it constantly to check the tuning on my analog synths and eurorack before recording. If this gets added, I'm in.

The song slaps I wanna know its alternate name from Darude Sandstorm

Did he say that he didn't want to discuss his "farts" at 0:23? Quite right too. this is a channel about audio, not flatulence.

Too bad this cost so much because it looks pretty practical but definitely not worth 150 bucks to me considering you can basically get the same info without spending a dime (span, youlean,..)

Was that Sandstrom by Darude? 🙄 😁

DECIBEL!! :D

yeah flux does this.

Snake oil?

I don't get it.. Why do all these meters require you to listen to the whole song to get integrated LUFS? kind of useless when I can get the integrated LUFS of my track instantly with the free Loudness extension in the SWS/S&M bundle for reaper.

@PROCESSAUDIO

2 жыл бұрын

Because LUFS-I means Integrated. So you need to run the full song in real time in order to get it. You are probably talking about the LUFS-M and LUFS-S which stand for Momentary (400ms) and Short (3s) that you can get instantly. Alternatively Decibel Standalone version has an offline feature where you can drag n drop your files on, and get your result instantly too.

@ilusions4

2 жыл бұрын

@@PROCESSAUDIO I know. I can instantly measure integrated LUFS with the extension I mentioned. That's why I said that I can get integrated LUFS from it. That's cool. didn't realise that was a thing. SWS/S&M can probably do it from within the DAW because it's integrated into reaper, but it's not technically a plugin that goes on a track. It's sort of like a standalone program that can be used from within Reaper.

I don't know what people mean by thumbs down. Do they mean that they didn't like your production or they didn't like the product? I'm requesting that if my fellow subscribers please be a bit more specific when they thumbs down. It might help us all understand what and why they thumbs down something. Thanks.

€139...wouldn't one be better off spending a little extra and getting the TC Clarity M?

@PROCESSAUDIO

2 жыл бұрын

these are different products. TC works with AES cables whereas Decibel works over wifi or usb. It's also software, so it keeps being updated / fixes and adds new features like new modules. Price point is different too and with Decibel, you can add as many screens as you want.

@fabiogervasoni_music

2 жыл бұрын

@@PROCESSAUDIO Yeah, I get they are different products but aimed at solving the same "always on" metering issue. I can see Decibel being much more flexible but I am not sure I'll be willing to have an iPad screen always dedicated to it. Not sure it's for me, but I might try it out. Remarkable job anyway.

@PROCESSAUDIO

2 жыл бұрын

@@fabiogervasoni_music Thank you for the kind words Fabio! hope you will give it a try and enjoy a nice experience!!! best wishes

@fabiogervasoni_music

Жыл бұрын

@@PROCESSAUDIO Ended up buying this...and using it quite a lot, very satisfied so far!

phew 130 bugs for a "conclusion" plugin? I dunno, iZotope Ozone, YLMeter, VU Meter, LoudMax all for free do the same job, okay RAM usage is a con argument, but I dunno, it doesn't seem to justify the price imho. And yes, I've seen Dan's video and this video is pure dedication, if ya haven't *DO IT RIGHT NOW*

Boh also YouLean is a full metering system, really valid, running also on tablets ... to me, it's good when it covers the needs of who uses it. 🍟🍟🍟

@nicholasriley4729

2 жыл бұрын

I freaking love that plugin! I actually bought the paid version just to show some love

100 centimeter to rule them all;)

@White Sea Studio: By joking so much about playing Darude's "Sandstorm", you've done so much exposure to that track, that I think, they should repay you! (Or, at least, they should give you legal permission to use it in your videos). 😃

But... I thought RGB made EVERYTHING better. ;-)

choosing color themes is actually usability issue (for example color blind people).

wait, it's actually darude

voxengo span

If you're in a good mood... you WILL make better music. Colour matters. 😎

shoutout to the OG SPL Hawkeye

I don't really care about loudness wars

I dont jk lol

overpriced, got the bute one for 1/4 that price last year.

you dutch man oranje naturlijk warmte Johannes Niew Zeeland

i don't care about this.

decibel

@moriahmars1462

2 жыл бұрын

decibel

@jamisntcool5669

2 жыл бұрын

@@moriahmars1462 decibel

@RIPDavidBear

2 жыл бұрын

decibel

@PROCESSAUDIO

2 жыл бұрын

decibel

@moriahmars1462

2 жыл бұрын

@@PROCESSAUDIO aye it's the developers

I just want something like it for the whole system, something I can just open on windows and not only on my DAW.

@rafaelsantti714

2 жыл бұрын

@@Ali_Seraj thanks for the tip man, I have one system wide for Mac but none for windows.

@PROCESSAUDIO

2 жыл бұрын

Decibel Standalone version does just that. It has a spy option in the audio settings for it to spy your DAW AND Spotify for example. So it can run at all times for all your sounds. (WASAPI drivers)

@rafaelsantti714

2 жыл бұрын

@@PROCESSAUDIO Thanks, already got the trial and this is exaclty what I wanted! Defo gonna buy it.

Comment for da algorithm Streak count: 27

TC killer😀😀

I don't care what so ever

Interpretate 😂

snake oil studio