Pour one out for the entire Artificer Class.

@TheCharacterSheet

Ай бұрын

To be fair, it was never really fully fleshed out. It just didn't work in a lot of fundamental ways

@lord-of-the-unfinished-project

Ай бұрын

It was also the only real class they added. So again saving it for another book.

@williameichenberg4632

Ай бұрын

Keeping it out the PHB continues to keep it proprietary.

@SerifSansSerif

Ай бұрын

​​@@TheCharacterSheetit wasn't but the way 5e has been going they never really pushed to flesh out anything in more detail. Mystic never made it, the last UA had the pugilist that had to be shelved, and the artificer. All three rely on rules that were never given or written, and they never really intended to. Overall these are very, very full subclasses.

@andyenglish4303

Ай бұрын

@@williameichenberg4632 Nope... just keepping it out of the SRD is enough.

OK, there is a misconception that seems to be so prevalent I need to post this in a general post rather than respond to individual posts as I had started to do. Per the official WotC video interview with Jeremy Crawford and Chris Perkins, all existing 2014 subclasses still exist and can be played alongside 2024-rules characters in 2024-rules campaign. Where there are new "improved" versions (like Beastmaster ranger) they recommend the new version, but if your favorite subclass isn't in the new PH, it can still be used with only minor adjustments for new rules (for example, you might want to rework your character to use the new Background rules. Or not- they both still result in usable characters). They do say that you probably shouldn't use the new 2024 character rules for a campaign still using the 2014 gameplay rules, as there are a few new situations the 2014 rules weren't intended to accommodate, but in that case, you'd be using your old subclasses anyway.

@TheTerrainWizard

Ай бұрын

Ahhh… so the publishers claimed D&D 5.5 would be backwards compatible, and yet it is not. Got it.

@Kimbrell

Ай бұрын

@@TheTerrainWizard Not sure when they said that. Iirc they have said that 5e would be compatible with 5.5 but I do not remember a time where they said vice versa.

@Atherax

Ай бұрын

@Kimbrell they dedicated at the start of one dnd that it would be 100% compatible with 5th edition, they have also stated this is an update on the rules and not a 5.5e meaning it is compatible but not completely it also is not a new edition of dnd and still uses most the core rules with additions to those rules and slight modifications. The phb is not overly compatible with the new phb, but the new phb is still fairly compatible with say the expanded core books (TCE, MotMV, XGE)

@ODDnanref

Ай бұрын

​​​@@TheTerrainWizard It is backwards compatible. Backwards compatible does not mean you can play 5e with 5.5e classes. It means you can play 5.5e with 5e classes. When your text editor software claims to be backwards compatible, it does not say you can open Word 2016 documents in 1998 Word. It means your 2016 Word can open 1998 Word documents. smh Just a single google search away into a Wikipedia article. You cannot get lower fruit hanging around. What you are describing is *Forward Compatibility* of 5e which they never claimed to do when they released 5e.

@lethalprophet

Ай бұрын

But still . . . Transmutation Wizard - Gone. Hexblade Warlock - Gone. I quit....

I am SHOCKED they left out the necromancer subclass, it’s such an iconic thing in just wizard lore in general, but it might be overhauled in the future

@LexyLexer

Ай бұрын

Summons must fuck off

@Atherax

Ай бұрын

They seem with a few of the changes and with moving to greyhawk they are trying to.push back to the players are good guys angle they wanted in 4th. My guess is they will come out with an evil character book similar to they did in 3.5e

@jurgen4466

Ай бұрын

Its plain ignorant to have players play necromancer unless the party is evil.

@TheZplit

Ай бұрын

@@jurgen4466that just seems closeminded

@ryanharbin6787

Ай бұрын

@@jurgen4466 you should be more creative. Maybe there is a good necromancer that raises the dead to solve crimes or use his/her army of the dead to help a nation being invaded

Just so people know the classes didn’t “lose” subclasses. They very clearly stated in their video that you can still use all of the classes from the original books they just didn’t get a revamp like the ones in the 2024 book. These subclasses just replace their current predecessors. So if there’s a subclass in both “versions” you would use the one in the 2024 books if not you can totally use say the tempest domain for clerics out of the 2014 books but you would be using the rules and mechanics from the 2024 books. And they said there’s a specific section in the books on exactly how to do it.

@phillipmccollam7554

Ай бұрын

Sure, if you want play an unbalanced subclass that is surpassed by all the other subclasses that got a buff. Take the swashbuckler. They took the charismatic rogue and genericized it by letting all rogues benefit from a high charisma. Now all rogues can attack and dance away without fear of AO's. They took two of the swashbuckler's best features and gave watered down versions to every other rogue subclass with a net result of a weaker, outdated swashbuckler. But sure. Still play that.

So disappointed that Swashbuckler and Swords Bard didn't make it in.

@beerbatreps3861

Ай бұрын

Fellow Swashbuckler fan here. It's top tier for gameplay and RP

@phillipmccollam7554

Ай бұрын

People needed their damned psychic knives, apparently. And psychic swords. And psychic patrons. Dungeons and Psychics, I suppose.

@teknogothyk

Ай бұрын

@@phillipmccollam7554 And yet WotC couldn't be bothered to make an actual psionicist class

@EpicRandomness555

Ай бұрын

I mean College of Valor is Swords but better

@teknogothyk

Ай бұрын

@@EpicRandomness555 nah you got it reversed lol I can see the appeal both in all seriousness. I just prefer Swords.

I like how wizards get "school of..", druids get "circle of...", paladins get "oath of..." but fighters just get "the..."

@EpicRandomness555

Ай бұрын

Actually I believe that’s not true for Wizards anymore. Instead of School of Evocation it’s, Evocationist. Or Enchanter. Or Illusionist. Much shorter to say.

@Selvarin

Ай бұрын

@@EpicRandomness555 They chose to update those which had opposing forms: Divination vs Illusion, etc.

@Selvarin

Ай бұрын

And the terms would be Invoker and Evoker.

To be fair, a lot of those that didn't make the cut, like Wildfire and Spores druid or Oath of the Watchers Paladin, were not in the 2014 PHB. They were added in Tasha's, Xanathar's etc. Hexblade also just doesn't work anymore because any warlock can take pact of the blade. It would need to be completely reworked to address any redundancies.

@TheCharacterSheet

Ай бұрын

Yeah, only a few classes really lost out on the core, 2014 subclasses they once had

@pdegan2814

Ай бұрын

Let's face it, the original 5E Hexblade wasn't much more than an attempt to "fix" the Bladelock, the lore behind it was a pretty vague mess. With the Bladelock now fixed, I hope this creates an opening in a future book to finally create an official version of the Raven Queen patron from an old UA, it was one of my favorite Warlocks I've ever played.

@Mortlupo

Ай бұрын

Or eliminated as redundant.

@thatweebcunt9326

Ай бұрын

Any warlock already could take pact of the blade.

it feels like there is a heavy psychic theme (soulknife, psi warrior, aberrant mind and the old one)

@WilliamBoccato

Ай бұрын

They said in the KZread video about the new PHB that they wanted to add more of the psy subclasses, so yeah you are right on that!

@pdegan2814

Ай бұрын

The Great Old One and Aberrant Mind were selected early on in the process. Originally the Fighter was going to have the new Brawler subclass and the Rogue would get the Swashbuckler. When the Brawler didn't make the cut in the surveys they had to make a new choice for the Fighter. That's when they chose to promote the Psi Warrior, and then swapped the Swashbuckler for the Soulknife to complete the psionic set. It's a shame, the updated Swashbuckler was pretty cool. I imagine it'll be one of the first to get updated in future 2024-era books.

@williambradford6575

Ай бұрын

@@pdegan2814 only one missing from the psionic subclassses is the College of Whispers Bard

@Manahyde

Ай бұрын

Dark Sun confirmed

Thank you for listening all the subclasses and not just talking about them

I'm so bummed out that the Echo Knight and the Sun Soul didn't make the cut, those are my all time fav subclasses

@Geraint3000

Ай бұрын

Unless you're a DM - they're completely broken.

@scrubyt2668

Ай бұрын

@@Geraint3000 I disagree, nearly any Subclass in 5e can be broken if you build it with the intention to be broken, how strong a character combination is purely depends on the person playing it. Since I never build my characters or NPC's to power game or with the intention of dealing the most damage possible, the Echo Knight and Sun Soul have never posed a "broken" problem for anyone that has DM'd for me or that I've DM'd for. RP and flavor over combat and power is the best way to play imo

I cant believe you forgot to mention storm sorcery not being involved! I remember being surprised when storm sorcery was added in baldurs gate because the subclass generally sucks and never gets any love. Then Baldur gate made it really fun. So I thought they would definitely include a revised version of it with the new book but I guess not.

College of dance is something I been begging for years

So all classes and subclass are still viable in the new updated system, but if your subclass got an update you'd use the new one instead of the old subclass

@TheCharacterSheet

Ай бұрын

Well, sort of. Some classes are now missing the features that the old subclasses interacted with, but honestly a little homebrew can get you through most things!

@michaelcolon4162

Ай бұрын

You can still use the old subclasses, feats, features if you want. But in some cases the new options are better. But still you can pick and choose whatever you want from 2014 & 2024.

@hqueso

Ай бұрын

@@michaelcolon4162 a bit of a caveat- they recommend only using one or the other for a particular character. You should avoid taking Beastmaster levels 1,4 and 6 from the old PH and 2, 3 and 5 from the new. I'm not sure how I'd handle mixed multiclassing, but I suspect that new-rules Beastmaster/ old-rules Artificer would work fine, as long as each class is taken from one rules-set only.

@michaelcolon4162

Ай бұрын

@@hqueso yes of course. You either choose 2014 or 2024 you cant go back and forth between leveling up. But I would even allow 2 gloomstalkers (one from 2014 rules and another from 2024) and i would see no problem. I personally would always use the new stuff just because. But i can see people not wanting to buy new books or learn new rules.

@hqueso

Ай бұрын

@@michaelcolon4162 Exactly. I agree totally. The problem I do see is that if you don't want to go forward with the 2024 rules, completely new subclasses will have to be completely homebrewed/retooled if you stay on 2014 rules. Of course, that would also be true if they just came out with a new completely incompatible 6E. As someone who transitioned from AD&D -> 2E -> (basic Rules Cyclopedia) -> 3.5 -> 4E -> 5E, the option to not have the whole base system ripped from under me is welcome.

RIP divine soul sorcerer, gotta be my favorite subclass

RIP Tempest Domain and Storm Sorcerer, here’s hoping a lot of our cut faves get revamps in later books

@pdegan2814

Ай бұрын

Yeah, I feel like there should have been a place for both of those, hopefully they'll get updates pretty quickly.

@leodouskyron5671

Ай бұрын

Still 5th edition so you can still use them.

@cschneidersurf1841

Ай бұрын

Tempest Domain was my character in a home campaign😭 literally in tears

@flamerdorefan7771

Ай бұрын

Well, D&D One is an upgraded 5th ed and backwards compatible, so you can use them. The fact that they are not in this book means they just don't have any updates

@ODDnanref

Ай бұрын

​@@pdegan2814 2014 PHB had way too many wizards and clerics compared to other classes. They made an effort to keep subclasses in the same amount of choices in the 2024 PHB. So probably you'll get them in other books, as long as this new 2024 does well.

Looks like the only ones I’d really miss so far are swarmkeeper and swashbuckler

@meikahidenori

Ай бұрын

Those and artificers for me. I have so many good characters in these 5 classes alone!

Shocked the hexblade was left out considering it's one of the most popular warlock subclasses

I was hoping for a plant-themed druid circle. (yes I want to play Poison Ivy, wouldn't you?)

@TheCharacterSheet

Ай бұрын

Honestly, that is kind of a huge oversight from WotC that has sort of always existed, isn't it?

@lunatickgeo

Ай бұрын

@@TheCharacterSheet yeah, which is weird when they have dryads and shambling mounds and treants that they can interact with they had a spores druid, a stars druid, a _dream_ druid but no plant druid?

@Arcahnslight

Ай бұрын

Damn, I had hopes for a thorn whip, thorns, and entangle build synergizing with these new masteries. Ah well.

@fragile4408

Ай бұрын

​@@lunatickgeowhy do they have such an aversion to flora? No plant based races. Now the most plant based build for the game is like World Tree Barbarian. It's just so bizzare.

@williambradford6575

Ай бұрын

Circle of the Land has you covered

The Oathbtraker paladin not being in the PHB makes sense. It will likely be in the DMG like in 2014.

@TheDude4515

Ай бұрын

could also see it making it into a book of vile darkness with other subclasses like necromancer, death domain, and other 'evil' subclasses.

@corbanbausch9049

Ай бұрын

@@TheDude4515 that’s my thought. There is not a single “bad” or death-related subclass here. I’m guessing they are going to release them all in one death-themed book.

What about the Twilight domain Cleric?

"Warrior of Mercy" lol

@alexplayer8367

Ай бұрын

haven't you heard about Thorfinn? He's not a monk tho

@pdegan2814

Ай бұрын

Yeah, calling them all "Warrior of" now isn't my favorite thing, but I'm pleased to see the Way Of Mercy get promoted to the PHB, it's a really interesting subclass. I can't wait to see how it's been tweaked for the 2024 PHB

@cueball6969

Ай бұрын

​@@pdegan2814I've just started playing one multiclassed with druid, and yea, it's pretty cool I like the necromancer-esque feel the subclass has

@davidbodor1762

Ай бұрын

Reminds me of the 'warrior of peace' line from the Owl House. Unfortunately here it's not followed up by a - "Now, eat this sucker!"

Wizards definitey got the short end of the stick with the subclass flavors still revolving around the schools o fmagic but only 4 being included. I still firmly believe that the subclasses should have been school specialist as one whee you would choose a school to specialize in and then 3 others.

Definitely intrigued on how the new four elements subclass will look, despite the heat for it, it is one of my favorite subclasses for monks

They should have gotten rid of the school based subclasses in favor of if the others. I want my magic book wizard updated.

@vederianl9723

Ай бұрын

Do you mean Order of Scribes? One of the best wizard subclasses? Sounds to me like they wanted to concentrate on updating the older.weaker subclasses first.

I think it's also important to note that Jeremy and Chris said that some of the subclasses while are the ones from 2014 they have gotten such an overhaul that they might as well be new

@TheCharacterSheet

Ай бұрын

Yes, very true!

@pdegan2814

Ай бұрын

The Elements Monk fits this description, the new version is MUCH better. The new Archfey Warlock is also totally overhauled.

WotC gonna be milking those supplement books for all the extra subclasses that already existed

Do NOT hate on my Bladesinger!!!!!

@christopherravlin6051

Ай бұрын

hate hate hate

@nomi4272

Ай бұрын

There’s some people who hates bladesinger ???? Why ? That’s one of the most fun subclass to play

@Trumpeter42

Ай бұрын

I'm playing a Bladesinger in my current campaign, too! So strong, man.

@someusername9591

Ай бұрын

@@nomi4272 I think it's because it's kind of like the best martial. Or was, HOPEFULLY.

@Adamgajski

Ай бұрын

Bladesinger should have been the swords bard. >.>

They did the Warlock so dirty

I'm surprised that they left out the artificer.

@Mortlupo

Ай бұрын

I'm not, it wasn't in the 2014 PHB.

@meikahidenori

Ай бұрын

​​​@@Mortlupowe know why they won't. They don't want to have it in the OSR. Still sucks as there are TWO settings that HAVE them as a main class which sounds rather dumb not to include them in the base PHB - especially an alchemist which fits in EVERY setting. Just annoyed as all the settings I play in Artificers are main stays or pretty important. Would be nice to have an updated alchemist at least

@enso8379

Ай бұрын

The class is heavily tied to the Eberron setting and they probably didn't want to have to get into potential copywrite issues with Keith Baker is my guess.

@randallgpreston

Ай бұрын

@@enso8379 except they reprinted it in Tasha's and added an extra subclass. Almost everything in Tasha's is going in the new phb

@enso8379

Ай бұрын

@@randallgpreston Except that agreement probably extended to the one publishment. Just because Keith signs a contract for one book doesn't mean he's going to do it for every subsequent release. As a business I can totally see them not wanting to pay out money for the rights to publish a class when they don't have to strictly speaking. They'll just point to the conversion table and say if you want it then import it yourself.

Me, who has circle of Spores, Rune Knight, and Knowledge Cleric characters I can no longer use….

Thank you for actually showing the list of subclasses in the new PB. It will help me decide if this new stuff is worth spending the money on immediately. I must admit without the Necromancer subclass I probably will not rush and buy the book. I have a feeling they are wanting to get preachy with their own beliefs by dropping things that would not match them, instead of selling a product that will allow others to decide. Example: I will still use race instead of species to describe characters and NPCs.

@Selvarin

Ай бұрын

More along the lines of a reshuffle to garner more $$ when they provide a PHB II supplement.

They did the wizard dirty

@EpicRandomness555

Ай бұрын

It’s not fair for the wizard and cleric to have more subclasses than everyone else

They need to hurry and add a new version of the Hexblade!

I'm honestly surprised they brought forward 4 spell schhol wizard classes instead of others like war, bladesinger and chronurgy

@jurgen4466

Ай бұрын

You can still play both of them

@ODDnanref

Ай бұрын

@@jurgen4466 Yeah, but the school wizards should be more streamlined. They already feel samey at early levels

I'm not surprised that my Cleric's Divine Domain (knowledge) got dropped. But I am a weee bit sad about it. Hopefully my DM and I can homebrew something.

I know a lot of people where assuming/hoping this would be a 6th edition, but WotC has been very clear since OneD&D's announcement that the 2024 PHB was always supposed to be backwards compatible with the whole of 5e. The official description on D&DBeyond even refers to the 2024 PHB as, "the new and improved guide for *fifth edition* Dungeons & Dragons." So with that in mind, I think it's perfectly fair to view the new rules and subclasses essentially like the Optional Class Features introduced in Tasha's Cauldron of Everything. And with some homebrew (which I love to do anyway), I think all subclasses new and old can be perfectly useable with 2024 PHB.

@TheTerrainWizard

Ай бұрын

And those words from the publishers/architects/stewards of D&D are sitting upon a throne of lies.

@THEGRUMPTRUCK

Ай бұрын

​@TheTerrainWizard The unfortunate thing is people are going to lap this up and the past transgressions of WotC are going to be ignored, and WotC is BANKING upon that very thing happening. They'll try this OGL stuff again in a few gears, they'll try all the deceptive shit they do every few years and one of these days they'll win because a majority of the player base allowed it, since WotC always "plays nice" and gives people one book that has all the stuff they wanted.

@steveaustin2686

Ай бұрын

With the significant changes and combat needing to use the new rules with any of the new subclasses, this appears to be 6e.

@ODDnanref

Ай бұрын

@@steveaustin2686 Yeah, this feels more like a backwards compatible new edition.

Is it me or is there a Baldur’s Gate 3 theme going on here? All the subclasses are in BG3 with an extra for good measure.

@corbanbausch9049

Ай бұрын

Probably because BG3 was likely privy to the play tests for this and therefore used “5.5e” stuff

Cutting Hexblade is gonna stir the waters

@aubreyalexander3894

Ай бұрын

It’s not like it won’t be coming back. It’ll just be in a different sourcebook.

@johnpaullogan1365

Ай бұрын

watch them give armor and cha to attacks in base warlock

@MatthewBlachut-nr9bg

Ай бұрын

In UA 7 they baked in the Hexblade feature allowing for weapon attacks using Charisma into the Pact of the Blade. If that sticks, nobody will bat an eye at losing Hexblade.

@insertname5371

Ай бұрын

Hexblade is built into the class now.

@lukorama10

Ай бұрын

1 - warlocks can have a hexblade-esque feature baked in 2 - nothing was cut, you can use everything released for 5th edition with these new rules

Fingers crossed for Valor Bard being usable compared to the "old" Swords Bard.

@jurgen4466

Ай бұрын

You can still play sword bard

@briandixon9140

Ай бұрын

@jurgen4466 i know, buy i am tired of playing Swords Bards. I want a viable 2nd option for a gish type of build. Valor Bard has the potential for that with STR builds using Two-Handed weapons or for a Sword and Board style of fighter. But the features are laking on it outside Martial Weapons, Medium Armor and Shields at 3, and Extra Attack at 6. It doesn't help Tasha's returned ALL Bards to have the "special" feature for Inspiration that was unique to Valor Bards.

Crazy how there are no necrotic/undead themed subclasses for full casters. Hope we get a few in the near future.

@TheCharacterSheet

Ай бұрын

Thats a good point, they really did back off on all the undead stuff

@hqueso

Ай бұрын

They just didn't update them. The old ones are still playable in the new rules. But I guess new players won't know about those if all they have is PH24, so it still seems a tad odd to have no undead representation.

@FrankDrebbin-de3te

Ай бұрын

No Conjurers either. They're probably trying to reign in the action economy.

@jurgen4466

Ай бұрын

Why is that crazy? A necromancer hardly fit in most groups being in most cases evil.

@welersoncarvalho2471

Ай бұрын

​@@jurgen4466Nah reusing bodies is not that evil, it could even be considered good, its very nature friendly 😂 certainly killing beasts of the forest is way more evil and characters do that all the time

I wonder if they’ll make a follow-up with the rest of the staple subclasses. No storm stuff? Half of the wizard is outdated? Got to be some room for more work.

Hopefully they actually add classes like mystic and Artificer back in the new format, hoping within a year or 2.

Sad shadow sorcerer didn’t get an update. I’ve been wanting that one to be fixed since Tasha’s tried to fix Ranger.

2024 is meant to be used alongside 2014, so no class lost any subclasses at all, there just aren't updated versions of them printed in this book.

So this isn't a new edition like a 6e, it's more of a redux to get people to buy more books right?

"The 2024 classes have to be used with the 2024 rulesets" 1st rule of DnD: The DM decides what the rules are. If you want to use one of these in a 2014 ruleset, you can. It will need some minor tweaks (looking at you, weapon properties and masteries), but it should be fine.

thx for the news now i know what i need to do

I'm not too sad about seeing certain subclasses get cut since I'm sure they'll get reintroduced in future books. Although if the idea was to have the subclasses contrast one another it's odd that they included Shadow Monk but not Sun Soul. Maybe they're still trying to figure out how to make it good

@dealbreakerc

Ай бұрын

They aren't cut. They just aren't reprinting them in the new books. Nothing will stop you from playing a tempest cleric or an enchantment wizard

@TheTerrainWizard

Ай бұрын

@@dealbreakerc…and the publisher has stopped publishing books. 🤷🏻‍♂️

Just hoping they bring back the artificers three subclasses in the DMs book

I still think they should split demon and devil into 2 unique pacts cuz they’re so different

*angry tempest noises*

@andyenglish4303

Ай бұрын

You can probably still use it just move the Domain to 3rd

@Cpt.Str4ng3

Ай бұрын

@@andyenglish4303 i. what? 3rd?

@laughingpanda4395

Ай бұрын

​@@Cpt.Str4ng3nothing stopping you from using 2014 classes. 5.5 is backward compatible.

College of Dance = A Better Monk than the actual Monk class. I’m sooooooo glad they’re keeping that /s Who knows, maybe they made changes to it, but last time it wasn’t even Dex based, it was all Charisma based. Their Unarmored Defense was 10+Dex+Cha. Their unarmed strikes started off like the Monk’s (with a d6) but instead of Dex, you could use your Charisma, their unarmed strikes scaled with their Bardic Inspiration die, which scaled the exact same way as the Monk’s Martial Arts die, so both would cap out at d12s. They got a MUCH better version of Evasion a level earlier. The Dance Bard’s version of Evasion allowed them to give any ally within 5 ft of the Bard the benefits of Evasion as well, plus they got it at level 6 as opposed to Level 7 like the Monk. All of this on top of the fact that they can still cast their Bard spells, and if the Bard’s capstone is still the same, then they can also essentially twin cast Power Word: Kill or Power Word: Heal Edit: Hopefully Warrior of the Four Elements isn’t complete dogshit like it was last time. Last time they just took Way of the Ascendant Dragon and Way of the Astral Self and mashed them together and said “eh, good enough.”

I was really hoping for the Wizard to break away from "Specialize in a specific school of magic" for at least one PHB subclass. I want my generalist wizard, damnit!

The only exclusion that I’m actually sad about is the Hexblade, I loved playing that subclass

what a great F****** video. perfectly concise and clear with those chapter markers. i will be saving this and showing SO MANY players as they make characters

Yeah, Bladesinger is a problematic child here. It's very strong, makes you feel as a superhero when playing it, but it's a problem for the DM to balance any encounter with one unteachable full-caster. Ad Silvery Barbs and you can't do anything to them without depleting their spellslots, and before that happens every other character is already spent.

@CL-jq1xs

Ай бұрын

Bladesinger is fine considering the power level of some other subclasses. It is good but not good to a point where it trivializes encounters like chronurgy wizard.

Learned DnD with 3.5 about 20 years ago. First prestige class I played was Arcane Archer! It feels iconic to me but also I've always felt like, for 5e specifically, it would be better as a Ranger subclass.

Yeah no, you can definitely use older subclasses with the 2024 ruleset. You'll need to tweak a few things in creation but but as far as abilities and usability, they are perfectly valid.

They should never get rid of subclasses because there are many different paths that a character can follow. Just rework the old to function with the new😊

@Dragonage2ftw

29 күн бұрын

They didn’t. You can still use the old ones.

Wonder why they removed necromancy. 2 weak?

@TheCharacterSheet

Ай бұрын

Yeah, it was kind of pointless in 5e. But we imagine it will come back strongers somewhere down the line

@michaelcolon4162

Ай бұрын

They said they removed it because it was one of the least used subclasses in the game.

@JKSSubstandard

Ай бұрын

Keep in mind.... Not removed. Just not reworked for release in the first book

@michaelcolon4162

Ай бұрын

@@JKSSubstandard exactly you can still play a necromancer with the new or reworked subclasses in the PHB 2024.

@pdegan2814

Ай бұрын

They said in a previous video that when they were choosing the four subclasses for each class, they wanted to come up with a set that would hit four different corners of the class' theme. My guess is with the Wizard they went offense/defense(Evoker/Abjurer), and truth/lies(Diviner/Illusionist).

5E Paladin to prevent the 50+% smite damage reduction and bonus action murder with multiclassing into 5.5E Warrior/Warlock will be a thing!

I can't use my 2014 subclasses with the 2024 rules? Says who? Cause I wanna play my time wizard within the new rules and no one can stop me!😊

@billbabogginton

Ай бұрын

thats how people should see this, it's just more rules for the game not an entire new edition. Besides, nobody can stop you as long and your DM allows it.

I don’t think the statement at the end of the video is true. They specifically said in the interview that DDB posted on KZread that your 2014 characters can be properly handled by the 2024 rule book but the 2024 characters cannot be handled by the 2014 rule book. You should be able to play your old subclasses in a new rule book game.

So the hexblade idea totally moved to merged with pact of the blade?

So wait, no artificers and no drakewarden rangers in the new PHB? No thanks, I'll stick the the 5e books I already have...

So…”backwards compatible” does that mean the subclasses NOT in the ‘24 book remain choices in DnDBeyond, or are they gonna be gone? Will I be able to select 2014 rules and not 2024 rules, or do all the subclasses in the ‘24 rules auto update?

So far the book seems like theyre reselling us alot of the same stuff. If we have to pay for remastered subclasses because the old ones that didnt make the cut arnt compatible with the new book then hopefully they come with many more new options.

So they cut a good number of the subclasses?

Hooray, I can’t wait for them to resell these sub classes with minimal changes in full price books they drip feed us over the next decade!!!!

Listen I know that tge circle of dreams fans are a very small group of people but i still feel like having a healing based Druid in there would’ve made sense

Im so excited to have to re buy all of those [as yet unreleased] books just to be able to use favored subclasses again! Keep pushing that profit margin, Wizards! 😃👍

@hqueso

Ай бұрын

Nope- per WotC's own video about the new books, all the existing 2014 versions are viable and can be played alongside 2024-rules characters in a 2024-rules campaign. (edited as I got pissy and that was totally uncalled for).

@theREALfearsKLOWNs

Ай бұрын

@@hqueso Than you missed the part in the video where he said old subclasses aren't compatible with new class rules. You can play with them, yes; but only if you use the old class rulings. That isn't exactly "compatible." Also, as a 25+ year consumer of WotC's products I am fully validated, using a platform that is *free to the public*, to critique these products (which I actively purchase) as I see fit. Thanks for your input tho. 👍

Mentioning psionic subclasses sounded like an affront 😂

This video did not even mention Horizon Walker being excluded. The ultimate exclusion.

With the changes to the Warlock class, especially Pact of the Blade (assuming most of the UA changes made it) Hexblade is almost redundant and unnecessary.

@Kokosnuss

Ай бұрын

Hexblade's Curse is missing and ... ALL it's other features that come with higher levels. Just ???

REALLY hope they don't ruin my gloom stalker, and I was hoping for an update to the inquisitive

nobody will prevent me from using my thunder domain cleric

I really like that they put in soulknife but at the same time I really hate that they cut hexblade and echo knight

Great they`re adjusting some stuff here. As there is still most of the base existing I`m sure people that already have the physical books or online versions im sure you only have to pay like 10-15 bucks to get access to this updated version right? Right?!?!??!?!?!?

@TheCharacterSheet

Ай бұрын

Just in time for no more Ala Carte purchases on D&D Beyond too. Womp Womp

Why would include guns in the PHb but not Artificers?

Are those official art pieces from the book? The Ranger and Warlock look pretty AI generated, ngl.

Can you not use the subclasses that didnt make it? Like, can I still be Path of the Giant Barbarian

You missed the removal of Knowledge Domain Cleric. Also you stated that you can't use a 2014 subclass with the new class rules, that's not true. I'm pretty sure there's a table that shows you how to use a 2014 character with the new class rules.

The other books in 5e are STILL USABLE. You still can use all of them as most of them were already set to be used. Only the things that are covered are changed. So the Aasimar in the 2024 5e book now overrides the ones in the 2014 DMG and Mordinkainen’s versions. For subclasses that had not been updated, only change is subclass selection just moved to 3rd level. Also, Soul Knife is an infiltration/skills sub class. And the aberrant mind is like to the Illithids so you are linked to the far realm.

Keeping Trickery and taking Tempest away… already hate this so much.

@stormriderrs

Ай бұрын

Also no rune knight… they are going insane! Hopefully they will add both soon…

@stormriderrs

Ай бұрын

No swashbuckler! What are they thinking? So many good flavour subclasses out!

@stormriderrs

Ай бұрын

No Hexblade… I’m not gonna be playing this apparently…

@TheCharacterSheet

Ай бұрын

Yeah, we suspect those will be back in some form in a new release down the road, but Tempest and Rune Knight were 2 of our favorites as well!

@andyenglish4303

Ай бұрын

You can still play them, just move all Domain features from early levels to 3

They are gonna do a dark theme add on and an addon specifically for the sword based subclasses for casters arent they, swashbuckler probably would be in it too

@joriswegner8421

Ай бұрын

Well they better bring back hexblade 😬

I’m very surprised they did. Clockwork Sorcerer instead of Storm. Especially after taking out Tempest Clerics.

I wasn't really interested in a new edition of dnd to begin with. Then the OGL disaster cemented that opinion. Then the whole monetization and pinkerton issues came along, and kinda made me hate WotC and Hasboro. Lately I've been seeing some all to familiar EA scenarios on the Beyond platform. Well, today I learned that Hexblade was omitted from the new player's handbook... I've now decided that 5e is pretty much the last edition that I'm going to invest in.

Excited to see if they do more with Rangers and Monks now

Seems strange to leave the spores druid behind. I would've taken that over the new sea druid. Something to took forward to, I guess

Man, hope Astral Self Monk gets a 2024 version. Would love to see a new version of that. Worried about Zealot Barb. I remember a UA had a reworked Rage Beyond Death and it was meh imo. Didn't like the mechanics and didn't like the flavor. I get it needed to chage since Rage being 10 minutes now means you can be immortal for 10 minutes if the feature stayed like the og version. But still. Who thought getting Flight and turning into a ghost was the flavor people look for when picking Zealot Barb?

day one of release someone is going to remake new classes for the new system. and im here for it. Give me back my Drakewarden dammit

Gosh they traded out a necroamctic theme for the psionic theme. I really wanted to see what they were gonna do with Necromancy Wizard specifically after they mentioned it previously. Guess we'll have to pay more money for them to rerelease it

Hmm, so basically 2024 is not "compatible" with 5e in any form. Was that not what we were promised? Honestly, who is surprised?

they taken my fav sorcerer which was the Divine Soul... too bad.

Ive always wanted a bard subclass focused on dance!

Kinda surprised they didn't add the artificer.

@lord-of-the-unfinished-project

Ай бұрын

They will wait for another Tasha's

@AmazingJMS

Ай бұрын

They want to sell more books later.

@Arcahnslight

Ай бұрын

​@@lord-of-the-unfinished-projectTasha's Bigger Cauldron of Everything for Real this Time? 😂

So happy abberent mind is in it

Almost every character I've played in the last 10 years has been cut.

Would have been cool to see a modern interpretation of the swashbuckler. Hopefully we see some.of these cut subclasses updated in a later book

They did say 5e characters are forward compatible when it comes to phb 2024 rulings so I am happy about that. Cause I love my clerics