This is fascinating to watch. I worked in the IC (integrated circuits) image and diffusion areas in the mid 1960's. The KMER room was where the imprints for the circuits were processed to develop the layers for connectivity. Later I worked in the photo labs that handled the "blueprints" this gentleman spoke about as the red taped artwork would be reduced to size. Computerized imaging was just in the infant states. BTW, the "blueprints" are the actual picture of the circuitry layout in either negative or positive images. Anywho. Later worked with large scale multi-layer circuit board imagery. This became all computerized along with drilling, electrical testing, etc. by the time I left the industry in the first decade of the century. So, yep, this old 73 year old gets it. Well, not the math for the plasma energy but certainly the concept. An emulsion exposed to a proper light through a filter that contains the image of the circuit = a layer of the circuitry. Multiple layers having different circuitry that includes connections to the different layers aligned closer than the hair on a gnat's nut eventually stack up to make a chip. The number of chip images on the silicone disk probably varies with the purpose of the chip use which would affect the dimension of the chip. Fascinating.

@RaymondRChammas

4 жыл бұрын

that is awesome janice, thanks for sharing

@RaymondRChammas

4 жыл бұрын

@The Lavian the OP

@cumhugs

4 жыл бұрын

I work around semiconductor engineers and have no clue what is going on or what they're doing. It's interesting to hear someone speak the jive, lol

@jaitanmartini1478

4 жыл бұрын

Amazing! Thanks for sharing!

@colejohnson4941

3 жыл бұрын

Wow, you worked in a 60s-era fab? That sounds awesome, could you tell us more?

After watching this I’ll respect all my old gadgets and treat them like retired astronauts

I worked for Seagate technology in one of these labs for 15 years. That yellow light. I don't miss it. Pretty amazing technological process all the same.

@chir0pter

4 жыл бұрын

Looked like they were wearing blue-tinged goggles, did that help normalize it?

@DrFurb

4 жыл бұрын

@@chir0pter no. The yellow light wasn't for employees. The chemicals were photosensitive, hence the use of UV lights and masks. The atmosphere was ultra clean, not even bacteria, so it was kinda unhealthy imo, if you get me.

@chir0pter

4 жыл бұрын

@@DrFurb No...there's nothing healthy per se about breathing bacteria...and I realize the yellow light is to not expose the photoresist prematurely, I was asking whether the blue-tinged goggles helped to even out the yellow light or something

@DrFurb

4 жыл бұрын

@@chir0pter possibly yes. I have only seen a few of those in my whiole time. It ccould also be to stop UV Rays from certain machines, as some were more open as they expose bright UV light. But they weren't widely adopted in Seagate's plants.

@AdrianMcDaid

4 жыл бұрын

Derry ?

This video should be shown to each school student to inspire them

@mashuto

3 жыл бұрын

Who's going to play PUBG then 😏

@gordonmaxwell3998

3 жыл бұрын

Inspire is the wrong word. As a computer and electrical engineering student I'm utterly terrified.

@feederx08

3 жыл бұрын

Intel makes terrible chips now. He should’ve toured TSMC

@justanerd414

3 жыл бұрын

@@gordonmaxwell3998 the more you know 😔

@justanerd414

3 жыл бұрын

@@gordonmaxwell3998 but for a kid in middle school or high school, it can be incredibly mesmerizing

5:22 "Lasers aren't good enough anymore". The future in a nutshell.

@jannikheidemann3805

3 жыл бұрын

Well there are X-Ray lasers generated by relativistic electrons shooting out of an particle accelerator. They have even shorter wavelengths than EUV but are even harder to work with. The laser game isn't over.

@fabilev

3 жыл бұрын

@@jannikheidemann3805 Well, sure. I work with FELs (Free Electron Laser), but one laser is the size of a large building. The one I work with is 300m in lenght

@jannikheidemann3805

3 жыл бұрын

​@@fabilev Yes, they are massive, but I'm sure manufacturers will be able to afford even that.

@benjibyte8612

2 жыл бұрын

@Joe Duke thats what makes the world go round.. higher faster stronger

Rocket science doesn't sound that complex now.

@rock3tcatU233

4 жыл бұрын

Rocket science? Ha, that's for tourists! But seriously though, nano-meter scale opto-mechanics beat any kind of aerospace system in complexity and cost.

@rock3tcatU233

4 жыл бұрын

@tommy aronson :'(

@magick1969

4 жыл бұрын

We know more about Photovoltaics and the Nano realm than we do all the variables in Space Travel. If Space Travel were mature the average dork would be taking a weekend on the Moon. When we get to that point we'll be where the maturity of chip technology is current. It's a lot less work just dealing with Optics and Material Science than the entirety of space and it's cosmic rays and various types of matter, etc.

@lnk77

4 жыл бұрын

@tommy aronson OFFCOURE, ANY MORON CAN WORK THERE

@meanwhiles432

4 жыл бұрын

This was really well done. Very interesting to see the process. Incredible to see behind the curtain - mind blowing. Space age tech is right. This is how we get there. Ifwhat you showed is as advanced as it is, I can't wait to hear about what else you saw! Someday 😊

One of the best video explaining EUV.

@ScottWinterringer

4 жыл бұрын

@Earthly Fireflies religious nutjobs.... in a science world... shit in one hand pray in the other... let us know what fills up first.

@aVoidPiOver2Rad

4 жыл бұрын

@Earthly Fireflies science is so much more interesting than any religion could ever be. Stop closing your eyes and at least try to understand our reality.

A year ago i watched this video and learned of ASML and realized they are arguably the most important company in the semiconductor equipment business that most people have never heard of. Researched the company bought a ton of their stock before the end of Jan last year. And Winning now and for the foreseeable future.

@user-kn6vw4sr2r

3 жыл бұрын

Actually most important to the whole world.

@LoadBearingSolder

3 жыл бұрын

Oo I make optics for ASML maybe I'll work for them 1 Dae. Hopefully.

@brmmrb5780

2 жыл бұрын

I hope you took profit.

@Neog2

2 жыл бұрын

@@brmmrb5780 Long Term Play here, but I bought it below 275 still in and its over 681. And nothing will be changing for the next couple years. Even if a company wanted to challenge ASML as an Competitor The Research and Development then building a FAB and so on would take years. And even after all of that you have to have a big company take a chance on you with a big contract more than likely for multiple years to gain any traction. And on the ASML as long as they build their machines by hand and can only make a small number of their machines per year the value will continue to rise and rise.

@syamkumarkaturi9761

Жыл бұрын

First American should go to moon after you can talk about Mars

I could spend many days watching info about EUV and ship production technology in general. This is the triumph of human effort.

@movement2contact

4 жыл бұрын

@Earthly Fireflies No.

@selohcin

4 жыл бұрын

@Earthly Fireflies Friend, I highly recommend you invest in an English grammar textbook. Your message is incomprehensible.

I work at a semiconductor plant and it's my favorite job I've ever had. I work on asml tools and lots of other vendors. If you don't have a degree and have a chance to get into this industry, there's a potential to make 6 figures +

@sheiladawg1664

3 жыл бұрын

Except you have to do it with a ton of OT that may be gone in a flash. Worked at Cymer for a couple of years. Feast and famine in that industry.

@user-kn6vw4sr2r

3 жыл бұрын

@@sheiladawg1664 can you elaborate what do you mean on "may disappear in a flash"? Im currently trying to enter the semicon industry right now so i want to know things about it.

@sheiladawg1664

3 жыл бұрын

In that end of the business, the biggest demand in etched silicon is generated at the retail level which is directly tied to the economy and how much disposable income people have. When money is tight people stop buying PCs, phones, other electronics. Eventually growth stops and people stopped ordering lasers, I would imagine fab would be close to the same, (but I'm no expert). Cymer made one thing (hi power UV lasers), other less specific companies wouldn't likely be as sensitive to market fluctuations if they're diversified..

@dubnerdaren

2 жыл бұрын

@@user-kn6vw4sr2r ASML bought cymer and got rid of a lot of people.

@syamkumarkaturi9761

Жыл бұрын

First American should go to moon after you can talk about Mars

Don't let Linus in there, he'd drop all the wafers at once.

@whateverrandomnumber

4 жыл бұрын

Linus Torvalds? I don't get it.

@randomisedrandomness

4 жыл бұрын

@@whateverrandomnumber LinusTechTips

@pflernak

4 жыл бұрын

Could be worse. He could be holding a mask.

@jrregan

4 жыл бұрын

Lower case i intimidates his manhood.

@rubiconnn

3 жыл бұрын

The wafers aren't ever picked up by humans. They are moved around the factory by machines.

>Too high-tech to comprehend industry and science >Yellow light everywhere. *Plays Icarus theme from Deus Ex* I totally asked for this

Actually these EUV scanners are manufactured, maintained and supported by ASML. The other important companies that were very important in the development of EUV technology were Carl Zeiss, Cymer. Intel just uses these scanners for high volume manufacturing of their multi core processors. Looks like you went to the FAB at Hillsboro, OR ?

@sooocheesy

4 жыл бұрын

I'm guessing you're in the industry? Most people think Intel and AMD *cough TSMC* build fab equipment themselves 😂

@MustafeesKhan

4 жыл бұрын

@@sooocheesy Yup, I work in the semiconductor industry as well. I work on image sensors.

@AmrishKelkar

4 жыл бұрын

Yup that was the facility in Hillsboro , and then later the one in Santa Clara.

@rs93034

4 жыл бұрын

mustafees khan And german Company TrUmpf also

@GizmoMaltese

4 жыл бұрын

@@MustafeesKhan Should I invest in ASML? I think the world is hungry for chips.

I work in a fab that uses 30 plus year old equipment that I thought was amazing but this stuff is on another level.

@TheStrangeButFunEMan

4 жыл бұрын

Temecula Infineon lol ?

@stekelly1980

4 жыл бұрын

@@TheStrangeButFunEMan no I work at a place in England, I imagine both are ancient compared to here. I work with nikon body 12's and ultratech 1500's..... Ancient! Lol

@mitchelljacky1617

4 жыл бұрын

You have no idea. This is just the shit they show you.

@ONRIPRESENCE

3 жыл бұрын

lol

@syamkumarkaturi9761

Жыл бұрын

First American should go to moon after you can talk about Mars

I've been out of the industry for only 8 years and it is amazing all the new developments that have been made.

Insane how much the human species has evolved.

@jamespong6588

4 жыл бұрын

elck3 you mean how much the European race and some Asians have evolved?

@apexsimulation3418

4 жыл бұрын

@@jamespong6588 racist

@movement2contact

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah, like being able to kill people from a UAV half a planet away, with millions of brainwashed bloodthirsy "evolved humans" cheering on...

@jamespong6588

4 жыл бұрын

APEX SIMULATION sorry if I offended your creationist believes.

@elck3

4 жыл бұрын

james pong No, I meant humans.

Actually miss working in the Fab, worked at Intel for about 6 years. watching this video really brings back memories!

@leyasep5919

3 жыл бұрын

I hope you can share some of these ... memories :-) (nod to Intel's first products)

I work in the semiconductor space, and I approve the high level message in this video. Job well done!

I was looking for some more info on this and you answered a lot of my questions. Thank you.

@PR2k9

3 жыл бұрын

Funny seeing your comment here. I watch your valheim vids.

@Engadget BTW, High NA does not refer to a different technology than EUV as implied in the video. It's the evolution of EUV and as mentioned it required a redesign because optics are anamorphic.

Upscaled is top tier stuff. Amazing job.

Those crazy Dutchies, supplying *all* the chip manufacturers of EUV chip manufacturing machines. Imagine everyone betting everything on one single supplier. 🤯 That requires a f*ck ton of trust. _I guess it ain't much, if it ain't Dutch_ 🇳🇱 Well played Kingdom of The Netherlands! We salute you. 🌍

@JA-pn4ji

4 жыл бұрын

Yes, but behind the dutch facade is german "vorsprung durch technik". German lasers (Trumpf), German optics/mirrors (Carl Zeiss).

@GovertNieuwland

4 жыл бұрын

@@JA-pn4ji So 'facade' is not the correct word. But the efforts are indeed a joint development. Samsung and Intel have invested billions in ASML to help making the technology ready for manufacturing.

@GovertNieuwland

4 жыл бұрын

@Marc Jackson I don't recognise that. Wikipedia mentions someone else as the inventer of the single atom transistor. ASML started in Philips Electronics in Eindhoven in 1984 and was set up together with ASMI. I new people personally who worked on the first PAS systems (PAS stands for Philips Automatic Stepper). Anyway, no single person or country needs to get credit for the enormous engineering marvels that are in the ASML machines. It is work by 1000's of smart people from all over the world. The site in Veldhoven, NL, is really very diverse in terms of nationalities.

@Jaker788

4 жыл бұрын

It's insane to think that EUV has been worked on for almost as long as I've been alive and they recently figured it out. There are 2 companies in the world that produce the photolithography equipment to fabs, only one of them figured out EUV.

@kiranm25x

4 жыл бұрын

Now you know every US based company is setting up subsidiary LLC companies in Netherlands and funneling all the money through that country!

Been craving new Upscaled. Glad to see it return!

Always love these videos from Upscale! This should be a separate channel. Great video!

I used to work for Fab12 in AZ. I worked above the interstitial space above the Clean rooms with all the Utilities. (Water, Gas, Electric) Patch those Chip Machines to the networks. Fun Job Even if you always need a chaperone. Your never to be by yourself in this place.

Nice video! Small comment on the end of the video: High NA just means that the mirror optics will be improved to focus light even tighter. The EUV wavelength will stay the same.

Just what I needed. But there's a similar one, EUV-IL. Thanks for the great job.

Thankyou for the time and effort you put into this

One tin droplet get's acctually hit twice, one time to flatten it and the second time with much more energy to transform it into euv light. Machines are acctualy build at asml in Veldhoven Holland.

Am I the only one subconsciously bothered by the fact that he doesn't have his nose covered by the mask? I think covid is messing with my head.

@ron9320

3 жыл бұрын

Kinda ignorant

@pixelfairy

3 жыл бұрын

im cringing at it the whole time

@ashishkushwaha7045

3 жыл бұрын

Covid or not covid, the nose should be covered in Fab. That's the biggest particle/defect generator.

@Tapajara

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, he might infect the camera.

@davidstiles6260

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, drives me crazy to see the nose out in a clean room.

Another amazing video from Upscaled...this must have taken you alot of work and time to put together.Keep up the good work.

Amazing content! Its so great that we all get to see this stuff for free. Thank you Engadget.

Upscaled is truly one of the best

Upscaled is the best tech show of 2019 change my mind

@VulaneMthembu

4 жыл бұрын

Undisputed!

@Neojhun

4 жыл бұрын

After this episode. Not going to try.

@kiranm25x

4 жыл бұрын

Verge left the chat.

@JKHYT

4 жыл бұрын

@@kiranm25x LOL the Verge is to Upscaled what Sesame Street is to Nova.

really appreciate these videos.. great insight on EUV!

Pretty cool seeing you gown up and head into D1D/X where I worked for 9 years. I noticed that you and someone else fixed the halo on the hoodies (inside out) before you went into the fab. Thankfully someone pointed out the noobie mistake.

I like how he puts the hood on inside out both times, but then obviously someone corrects him before he actually enters the fab. haha

@autohmae

4 жыл бұрын

I'm surprised they even let him in there.

Techaltar really linked to an amazing video

Love your videos and enthusiasm.... You're the reason I subscribed Engadget bruv....

amazing video, also highlights the challenges of EUV

That tin plasma process reminds me of the laser-based fusion reactor at the National Ignition Facility and depicted in The Expanse. At some point they’re going to switch to gamma rays or something and literally need a particle collider as a light source.

@fredericobulhoes8469

3 жыл бұрын

@@FaganJay "640k is more than enough"

@leechjim8023

2 ай бұрын

And all the work on the mirrors resembles and maybe even exceeds the work on the Hubble telescope!😅😅

the CO2 laser is using much more than 10 kW if that's what its output is, especially with all that cooling

Great stuff... love the very warranted enthusiasm

Great video. Great topic. Important future developments in detail and in quality report not rambling like so many other channels

One way to actually increase the efficiency is to get rid of the mirrors and use magnetic Fields to reflect the light this can be done through a process called the Zeman affect The Zeman affect is where you have a 1 T magnetic field flip the spins of the electrons in an atom resulting in it flipping the alignment of the magnetic field of those electrons because as it turns out electrons are bipolar they have a positive and they have a negative magnetic field and if you flip that magnetic field that magnetic field will begin to interact with a specific wavelength of photon the wavelengths of light will interact with different electron shells in different orbitals so for example infrared will only be reflected by the outer orbital So theoretically you could have billions of tiny Atoms sized magnetic mirrors exposed in a one tesla magnetic field that flips the spin of electrons resulting in a magnetic field produced by each and everyone of those individual Atoms that would then reflect the ultraviolet light and the beautiful part about that is it it turns each Atoms into a tiny little mirror so you get a much greater Percision when you’re reflecting light you can even use this to Optically focus the laserbeam and actually just focus the light into a laser beam add to produce the one Tesla magnetic field you have to cool down the magnetic field the mirrors to a few millikelvin above absolute zero but not for very long because of something called hydrogen lanthanide which actually has been experimentally proven to become Superconductive when cooled to the same temperature that Antarctica has Requiring significantly less liquid nitrogen but until that time we could take it vantage of quantum mechanics and helium or theoretically hydrogen to cool down A superconductor and I will put some links in the description below about all of this so you won’t be confused

@John-vl6hg

4 жыл бұрын

I understand what you are saying but the English could use some help

I've seen those tools without the panels on them. I'm pretty sure they are actually Decepticons in descise.

Great video; very informative and well produced. Impressive tech, indeed.

Loved everything about this film.

Just the fact that they let you film any of that is amazing! Great video. Alot of companies are strict on there product manufacturing bc of competition & other reasons. I can just imagine what you saw, incredible tech human has created

@Phyzzius

4 жыл бұрын

Intel is probably just as strict as other companies, but he doesn't really show or tell anything sensitive. As he mentions at the end, the really interesting stuff he is not allowed to share.

@chrisayala9871

4 жыл бұрын

@@Phyzzius i know ofcourse he couldnt film everything im saying the fact that they let professional cameras on a facility where top secret high tech is being made is hard to get permissions from companies like intel or any other manufacturer that protects its products just getting those clips is amazing competition would love to see any sensitive information

It was a bit of a shock to see you driving into the same car park I do (will did, before covids).

Thank you for making this vid, appreciate it!

I love this video so much. Thank you for making it. Learning about chipmaking is so cool because it’s like stepping into the future

tech or really anything doesnt need dub step in the background

@Y.M...

4 жыл бұрын

it should have stayed in 2012 when it died.

@chir0pter

4 жыл бұрын

There wasn't any "dub step"...

@fpartidafpartida

4 жыл бұрын

More dubstep...I gotta have more dubstep.

How the heck did people figure out how to do this stuff!?!?

2:44 Homie in the back just casually rocking that INSANE Lateralus button-down is a certified OGT

Freaking loved this video. Your team is on it!

Is there no way to generate EUV light directly without ionizing tin ?

@ericmanley8875

4 жыл бұрын

There are plenty. 13.5nm is actually in the x-ray range and there are a number of ways to generate light in that range. A classic one that is used in science is to have a bunch of electrons going close to the speed of light in a storage ring giving off synchrotron radiation as they accelerate around the ring. You can then use magnets, optics and monochromators to isolate the energy light you want. Sticking a 1km circumference storage ring in a fab is a bit of a design challenge though.

@JosiahLuscher

4 жыл бұрын

Years ago I remember talking about how rich a person would become if they figured out how to make an EUV light source. It's...difficult.

@DurzoBlunts

4 жыл бұрын

ASML has a great video explaining the process of the tin drops being hit with the laser.

Me as a construction worker watching this in my break with filthy cement hands in a very warm dusty environment

@sparklight5317

2 жыл бұрын

Dude... respect...we need somebody to build the building, the roads up to it, the house I live in, to put these machines in and make these things...so I can do MY job. Internet fistbump.

13:15 : Fun fact, L-R are Intel co-founders Andy Grove, Robert Noyce and Gordon Moore (as in Moore's Law). I worked at the D1 fabs installing equipment many years ago.

Wow. Really well produced. Thanks!

Watching on my Ryzen CPU. ;)

@redavni1

4 жыл бұрын

The Ryzen is not EUV.

@DuvJones

4 жыл бұрын

@@redavni1 Not yet, but Zen 3 (Which will be the Ryzen 4000 series [save the APU's which will be Zen 2 unless stated] and Eypc Milan), which is TSMC's 7nm+ process, will likely use EUV for part of the production as TSMC is using that for it's ARM chips today.

@yomiyama

4 жыл бұрын

Intel's 14 nm is AMD's 10 nm, same result same overall size of transistors.

@Neojhun

4 жыл бұрын

@@yomiyama But much bigger than TSMC 7nm.

@Jaker788

4 жыл бұрын

@@redavni1 It'll be on EUV way before Intel is finished with 7nm. By the time Intel has 7nm ready they'll be on 5nm. Unfortunately for Intel, they got stuck on 10nm non EUV for too long before focusing on 7nm.

But the 1 million dollar question is: for how long will EUV be good for? After 7nm, 5nm and 3nm EUV chips in the next decade, what's the real feasible plan for beyond silicon chips, if any even exists at this point?...

@DurzoBlunts

4 жыл бұрын

Gallium Arsenide chips are faster than silicon but commercially infeasible due cost. Do i get 1 million? Also samsung completed its first 3nm device already.

@PrimiusLovin

4 жыл бұрын

@@DurzoBlunts I said feasible plan, and I think that implies both technically and commercially... and for several decades too!

Good video! A lot of the footage, especially from the handheld camera looks very tonally compressed, shadows and highlights brought to the center. This look can work if saturation is brought down to compensate, but otherwise it looks bad.

Would love to see an episode about the use of ALD for semiconductor processing!

Reengineering all of this after the zombie apocalypse will be quite a challenge 😁

@viktor_v-ughnda_vaudville_476

4 жыл бұрын

larscwallin hopefully some high level Chinese engineers can survive and do all the work

Intel’s next generation 14nm EUV :)

@DuvJones

4 жыл бұрын

Don't laugh, it may come to that... Maybe it is me but these things are getting damn small. At 1.5 nm, I think that we will hit the very limit of what can be mass produced with few errors and getting there will be more and more difficult. It's either, Intel (and other semi-conductor companies like TSMC, Samsung) keep pushing and run up to the limit or they adapt the new process to old nodes to see what they can get of them (which is sort of happening anyway with modular chip design).

@lukasgoldner5851

4 жыл бұрын

AMDs new generation is on 7nm already my friend

@les_crow

4 жыл бұрын

@@lukasgoldner5851 apparently it is not that straight forward. 7nm for AMD might actually be functionally comparable to 10 or 14 at intel or so I heard. And that was corroborated here: 10:22

@jimixdnb

4 жыл бұрын

@@les_crow When AMD are currently being able to cram twice as many (or more) cores onto a chip, crushing Intel in nearly every benchmark there is... all while roughly maintaining the same TDP as an Intel chip with half the cores, I think it's safe to say that Intel are currently behind and that those 7nm seem to do sth.

@Jaker788

4 жыл бұрын

@@les_crow Actually if you look at the spec sheets, TSMC 7nm is denser than Intel 10nm latest revision by little a bit. 14nm from Intel is much larger and actually 14nm+ was made less dense for higher clock speeds. It's Intel 14nm to gloflo and TSMC 14nm that were less dense. Though they were more energy efficient than Intel's 14nm at the sacrifice of clock speeds. It worked well for servers and phones, but not desktop. With TSMC 7nm+ EUV, they'll be pulling further ahead of Intel. Then again with 5nm and on. If Intel doesn't speed up the pace they've been at, they'll be left behind.

Fascinating! Great Video!!

one of the best tech shows!

no one literally no one china: write that down write that down

@DustyWall

4 жыл бұрын

Nothing in this video isn't already available to the public. Anything proprietary captured in the video is blurred.

@HuyNguyen-kd5vz

4 жыл бұрын

question, aren't they afraid china gonna copy their technology?

@roku_nine

3 жыл бұрын

@@HuyNguyen-kd5vz for super complex machinery like these, merely trying to copy wont cut it. U need to understand completely how it works and to try to understand them from just videos, its better to do ur own r&d.

As you say "Intel EUV chips are coming next year" do you mean 2020 or 2021? Because the video was uploaded on 1st January 2020 but I guess it was filmed a few months into the 2019.

@DuvJones

4 жыл бұрын

They are likely already out at of 2019, IceLake chips was presumed to use the process but that is limited to laptops.

keep up your good work and we tech nerds will keep on coming to you you will finally compete with verge some days

Amazing video! Everything that I heard in class today just makes perfect sense after watching this!!

Me at 0:25 "Why the hell are you talking about EUV with Intel??" Me at 8:53 "YOU'RE A WITCH!"

@DuvJones

4 жыл бұрын

To be fair, Intel has been trying to crack this for a bit now. I think that the biggest error that they made in doing it was expecting that a change in node with this would have been easy. 7 years later... I think that they are regretting that. There are some VERY fundamental things that needed to change (and are still changing) with EUV production and like it or not, Intel has the experience of failure. Which, given how they are doing, now is a good thing. We now know where the faults (or some of them, at the very least) lay as they get this off the ground. Finally.

@STNG17-

4 жыл бұрын

@@DuvJones wait, are their 10nm products EUV?

@Nemz0r

4 жыл бұрын

@@STNG17- their first 10nm products are quad patterning non-EUV. Aligning things within nanometers is very difficult; quad patterning is a greater step up in difficulty from triple patterning than triple patterning is from dual patterning.

@DuvJones

4 жыл бұрын

@@STNG17- They have been using it (at least partially) with their refinement of the 10 nm node, 10nm +, also known as IceLake. Problem is that, production has been on the low side as they continue to refine the production process... so numbers of these chips will be limited even as they hit the market. Which only compounds with the issue's they are having with keeping the 14 nm chips in stock.

@Wuety06

4 жыл бұрын

Dear Lord somebody's feeding the amd drones Moldy Rye again

EUV 14nm++++++++++

@Jaker788

4 жыл бұрын

It's for their 7nm that's "scheduled" to be announced in 2021, and shipped sometime after that. While using it on 14nm would possibly bring gains of actually leveraged to make it denser, you might as well start a new node at that point. They've actually decreased the density on the 14nm revisions for more clock speed. EUV helps push density barriers past the 10nm 7nm range by using it on the most intricate and complicated layers. With each new node they're using EUV for more and more layers.

@AstralApple

4 жыл бұрын

AMD will explain how they use EUV on Monday at CES.

@Jaker788

4 жыл бұрын

@@AstralApple Sounds exciting, I didn't realize CES was coming so soon. I'd swear it was only 6 months ago we had the last one.

Love this video!!! Pls make more of these

Dude, this is amazing! Thank you for sharing

Meanwhile AMD watches this video and thinks “those intel nubs still lackin”

@JKHYT

4 жыл бұрын

Except AMD doesn't fab their own chips. So it's TSMC and Samsung saying that for now.

@garystinten9339

4 жыл бұрын

Plot twist: AMD gets their own processing plant

@tienlocn.5984

4 жыл бұрын

@Gary Stinten AMD went fabless in 2009 - their old fabs are now owned by GlobalFoundries.

Is Intel partnered with ASML? Because I thought the Dutch company had developed this EUV lithography approach. Never mind, should have finished watching the video.

@cumhugs

4 жыл бұрын

ASML makes the tools and Intel uses their tools in their process. They're merely a vendor. So, yeah, you could say they're a vendor. These companies don't really make any of their own stuff, it's all contracted out to other companies to do. Their employees oversee the production of the wafers and the construction of the fab. Trades and contractors and vendors take care of the rest

This is great, thank you very much

ASML now sells pellicles for EUV. They have a patent on the process used to make them and the manufactuer is Mitsui Chemicals. To tell you the truth it's amazing that it is even possible to make pellicles for EUV considering the vast majority of materials just absorb the extremely short wavelength. Because the material needed is so thin they have to make them in multiple layers to make them robust enough.

Intel Don't Have cutting Edge. TSMC have Smallest and most Advanced Node.

AMD users: dust dust dust melt melt melt 😂

i love geeking out with this guy

Awesome video! Just a bit overwhelmed with information! It’s absolutely amazing how science has advanced. I can only imagine what processing chips will be like in 2030.

@sooocheesy

4 жыл бұрын

There's no current path to create lithography techniques beyond EUV, which took nearly 15 years to develop into a working product, because it's capabilities are really the "end of the road" for making smaller semiconductor features. Simply put, EUV will be capable of making devices so small that they won't even function because of quantum effects. Most of the effort is going into refining EUV tools to be more reliable and efficient. I work on the previous generation 193nm lasers which first entered production 20 years ago and have been (and will continue to be) the workhorse of lithography for many, many more years. EUV only comes into play for extreme cutting edge processes used in cell phones and high end desktop/server processors, which is only a fraction of the actual semiconductor market as a whole. Beyond those devices, there's no point in using EUV because it adds cost and is slower than traditional 193nm/248nm lasers.

@KTK-o

2 жыл бұрын

@@sooocheesy maybe the move onto different types of semiconductor material?

@leechjim8023

2 ай бұрын

What about X-ray and Gamma ray processes?!

Why does the sound get so quiet when he's talking 1:10 , but sections of ambient noise 0:00 & music 1:01 are so loud? Is it just me? edit: got so sick of adjusting the volume, i just refused to watch any more >:( Fix your nonsense Chris

TSMC IS THE BEST!

Really well presented.

You did miss the first process description by a mile, but the video wasn’t to far from accuracy overall. The EUV system is truly amazing, as are the engineers at ASML.

No I know why Intel chip cost fortune.

@AstralApple

4 жыл бұрын

AMD will explain how they use this tech at CES on Monday.

They’ve fallen behind AMD

@sito3539

4 жыл бұрын

TSMC*

@sooocheesy

4 жыл бұрын

The two companies are vastly different even though they compete on selling CPUs. AMD has no fabs - many years ago they spun off their own manufacturing division (which became Global Foundries) and became a pure design house with no actual manufacturing capability (like Qualcomm). Last year Global Foundries announced they were throwing in the towel and would not be making any nodes smaller than 14nm I believe, which caused AMD to switch all production over to TSMC for their newer chips.

@Timberjagi

4 жыл бұрын

@@sooocheesy True, its open to discuss what is better. Develop your own process and design the chip, or spend that money on a compant that is only focussed on the production process and no chip design. That is why TSMC is leading in chip production.

@Jaker788

4 жыл бұрын

@@sooocheesy Not all production. Just the manufacturing of Zen 2 core chiplets. The Zen 2 IO die is made at global foundries, and the current ryzen laptops are still 12nm from global foundries. AMD has a wafer supply agreement they have to satisfy. If they don't buy enough wafers from global foundries every year, they pay a large fine. Until that agreement has reached the end of its life, AMD need to find as many uses for global foundries as possible.

HOLY SHIT!!! I remember these people coming to RP1 research and development building!!! How cool is that!!!

Thanks for this educative video.

Crazy where this industry has gone in such a relatively short time. I actually worked at these fabs for 13 years. I started out on iline and 246nm tools and ended working on 193 nm immersion.

Fascinating technology. They've advanced a bit since I worked at Intel Fab 1 (Santa Clara) in mid 1980s doing ion implanter line maintenance. Here's a big issue as I see it. They're down to 14 nm trace sizes. The elements they use to dope the wafers (As, B and P) have atomic size of roughly 0.2 nm. At some point the traces get so small that if you're missing just a few atoms, you no longer have circuit continuity, and the chip fails. Moore's law has to be reaching a limit.

A Really, Really, Really Piece of Information on NEW Technology...

Awesome videos...thanks

This is just amazing!

this is so fascinating

THat was really cool to watch.

I have family that works there and it is pretty COOL to see that