That dude didn't listen. He asked the same questions 20 different ways.

@TrollUnderSomeBridge

Ай бұрын

At least we know his buzzword is "indigenous".

@alexguvez

Ай бұрын

And it is good, cause it seems very clear that Rudy takes this very confidently

@TrollUnderSomeBridge

Ай бұрын

@@alexguvez And it is important to keep those ideas alive and in the front line of discourse in the face of mounting antisemitism. Israeli politics do ot speak or represent Jewish people in every and all circumstances, despite how much or how loud some may want to present it.

I have to give props to the young man in the beanie, he asked some interesting questions while listening to Rudy’s responses without any screaming or aggression. I hope more people can debate calmly like this in the future. 🌍

@magnumopus1628

Жыл бұрын

I agree, he did act politely and listened to rudy... but it doesn't seem he actually understood him. Or to be more precise, it seems he had difficulties in accepting what he understood.

@NetanelWorthy

Жыл бұрын

I was just thinking the same thing. We can agree or disagree, but we can be civil about it. Too many times we want to speak without listening. We use our mouth and not our ears. If we listen, we can actually learn something. This is not just for non-Jews either. I, as a Jew, can listen to other viewpoints and learn things, and come to a better understanding of things that aren’t within my sphere. I think the mentality that some people have, and you definitely see this in politics nowadays, is people don’t want to learn. They have an idea, and they only want people around them that will validate that idea. You can’t grow if you’re not willing to grow. If you’re always right. You have to be able to stand back and say, wow, I didn’t know that, thank you for teaching me that. We can also respectfully disagree on things without it becoming a screaming match.

@Josef010

Жыл бұрын

The reason why he isn't screaming is because he is not a Muslim.

@anamarisa2800

Жыл бұрын

Nope he should ask whoops how were 10 millions jews transferred to palestine if they were supposed to be dead

@peterlustig2143

Жыл бұрын

@@Josef010 agree...and jews are just thefts. they are hidding their gold is their big nose. Do you have more stereotypes ? . That was an excellent exchange, we dont need anti-claims against some muslims/jews/or anyone else.

Absolutely a great conversation! This type of a respectful and calm conversation is the way to carry out diplomacy 👍 well done Rudy, much appreciated!

This guy was absolutely flabbergasted that Jews are indigenous to somewhere other than Poland. Shocked like a deer in the headlights. Rudy literally had to tell him the exact same thing 10 times

@Mmmeize

Жыл бұрын

Maybe the problem is with rudy who tryitng to be polaite and be the avocated for Palstine and Israel. 1.Arabs muslims were never idetify as a Palstinian before 67 2. Not all Jews are whites (Europeans) most of the Jews in Israel are Arab Jews (browns)

@slcsociedadeintracomunista4998

Жыл бұрын

they are not. cananites were

@nadavabudi

Жыл бұрын

I'm Jewish and my ancestors are from Iraq (both parents already born in Israel). Am I supposed to "go back" to Iraq? How many minutes will I survive...? Same as jew with Iranian ethnicity and so on. Jews as a whole belong to Israel (formerly Judua).

@slcsociedadeintracomunista4998

Жыл бұрын

@@nadavabudi What about palestinians?

@slcsociedadeintracomunista4998

Жыл бұрын

@@nadavabudi you are more dangerous for iranians than iranians for you. Roth shields should never have made 🇮🇱

Why does people have to be oppressed in order to be indigenous? Aren't the French indigenous to France? Or Japanese indigenous to Japan?

@AlexanderY18

Жыл бұрын

They don't. But it still helps as a rebuttal to the argument that they assimilated into another culture.

@pinksnake8001

Жыл бұрын

No. "The French" come from what is now Germany, Scandinavia, Italy, Flanders and yes, France too. But they were Celtic people (and other people before them), then Romans, then mixed with Franks, and migrants have always been there too. "Indigenous French" actually doesn't make sense.

@michaellavrov660

Жыл бұрын

@@pinksnake8001 Ok, maybe not the French, my point is that in order to be indigenous a nation doesn't have to be oppressed

@davidmolin7769

Жыл бұрын

@@pinksnake8001 And the "Japanese" (I assume you mean the Wa, or even specifically the Yamato peoples) are also not indigenous to Japan, as those immigrated to Japan through the Korean peninsula between the Jomon and Kofun eras. The decendents of the indiginous people of Japan, the Jomon people, are the Ainu in hokkaido and the Ryukyuans in Okinawa. Therefore it can be argued that 98% of the Japanese people are not indigenous to Japan.

@zord1352

Жыл бұрын

​@@pinksnake8001Every nation came from somewhere. Every nation were mixing, fuzes with others or splits. Most land were occupied way before the "indigenous people" arrived there. The only difference is we know from where nations like french and japanese came from and how they became what they are.

Amazing video! Calm, rational and respectful discussions like these are what we need more of.

This video just set my heart on fire. Thank you, Rudy! You’re such a good example to follow. The dissonance is so loud out there now. But truth will always ring deeper and rage eventually exhausts itself.

I sooo glad that I came across Rudy😊 I learn so much from him, and as a Jew and Israeli it's about time I learn how to defend myself and fight back both physically and intellectually.

Ultimately, I think the reason why people like this have no regard for the Jewish right to the land of Israel is because they don't believe that any people can be as ancient as we are. 2000 years is just too long for their minds to fathom.

@cesirwin1973

7 ай бұрын

But hey we all walk behind the chant free Palastinw and of a flag and...then dialogue history to hard too debate

@dotsgrey

7 ай бұрын

Or... they don't believe that a promise made by a man-made god to a 'chosen people' in a ridiculous book written by humans who were afraid of the dark is anything other than a messianic, arrogant and vile delirium?

@Hamaadan

7 ай бұрын

@@dotsgrey Irrelevant. The history is clear enough from archeology to make the point, one does not need to rely at all on the Bible.

@dotsgrey

7 ай бұрын

I think it's disingenuous to pretend that the obsession with that part of the world has nothing to do with the bible. In the end, we all come from central Africa, right? @@Hamaadan

@dotsgrey

7 ай бұрын

I'm curious to know whether the archaeology you refer to proves or even suggests that 3000 years ago the region was exclusively the property of Jewish people.@@Hamaadan

Wonderful exchange. I commend the other individual for choosing to participate in a meaningful conversation instead of resorting to shouting and outbursts, maintaining a respectful demeanor throughout.

@wm79198

29 күн бұрын

Nah, that “respectful demeanor” was pointless if he’s not willing to actually listen. He asked the same question 10 times to try delegitimize Jewish right to the land. When he agreed jews are indigenous, he chose the nationality argument. When he agreed Israelis are a nationality that exists, he reverted to the Palestinians being there first, or “indigenous”

The amount of love and light you spread in the world is amazing.

The original "Palestinian people" were JEWS and their dispossession happened when 78% of Mandatory Palestine became Jordan.

Unfortunate I missed your presence there in Berkeley, since I live so close. Rudy, you spoke very eloquently, and you were so patient in explaining to the young student. Discovered you and channel recently and am very impressed with your activism for the Jewish people and Israel. God bless you and all jewish people, his chosen ones.

As a Finn it's upsetting to see people using the EU flag as if it represents all Europeans

@loganmanderfield1162

Ай бұрын

Yeah, I mean Slavic, Scandanavian, and Germanic people are all native to different parts of Europe.

I love watching these videos, I hope to see them coming back regularly. Love your work Rudy!

Awesome exchange, two intellects engaging in meaningful and politically stimulating dialogue on indigeneity and human experience. This video indeed serves as an educational blueprint for what live campus interactions should look like!

Rudy, you're really doin such important work (and you do it very well). Knowledgeable and firm, but also respectful and patient. Amazing.

This kind of conversations really warm my heart and give me a little bit more hope about our future, thanks for this!

Great video Rudy, love to hear you talk! Minor constructive criticism about the title if i may: The title sort of depicts that individual you where talking to in a negative way, and while I understand that it serves as both your opinion on his views and an attractive title for the video, I believe that it should be replaced with something more positive or at least neutral. As an Israeli myself, I believe that engaging in conversion with people that have views which differ or oppose our own is very important and sadly not as common as I would like it to be (I think you feel the same way). As such, it seems to me that choosing a title that focuses on negative aspects regarding that individual does not promote our interest of engaging in conversation. I mean, although you had contrasting opinions, that individual listened with patience and asked meaningful questions! Even though he opposes our views, we need more people like him. People who are actually willing to listen.

@Jl-yt1zd

Жыл бұрын

Not at all

@matiasbrachini8741

Жыл бұрын

Rudy is trying to portrait himself as a right wing humanist who's fighting against the "evil reds". So 2016....😉😉

@lookatmepleasesir

Жыл бұрын

yeh "euro leftist" sounds a little bit racist

@lookatmepleasesir

Жыл бұрын

@@matiasbrachini8741 he's not right wing

@bunnystrasse

Жыл бұрын

CONVERSION? 😝

Rudy, you are truly a blessing at this time in history. Your intellectual explanations being expressed to those who do not know or understand the history and context of the Land and the people of Israel is a tremendous encouragement to witness. יְבָרֶכְךָ֥ יְהוָ֖ה וְיִשְׁמְרֶֽךָ׃ יָאֵ֨ר יְהוָ֧ה ׀ פָּנָ֛יו אֵלֶ֖יךָ וִֽיחֻנֶּֽךָּ׃ יִשָּׂ֨א יְהוָ֤ה ׀ פָּנָיו֙ אֵלֶ֔יךָ וְיָשֵׂ֥ם לְךָ֖ שָׁלֽוֹם׃

I loved this conversation! Rudy thank you.

I’m a Muslim and I agree with your ideas Rudy!

Thank you Rudy! You're doing AVODAT KODESH! G-D bless

~ 19:00 : "The Ottomans were rooted in Istanbul". Um no? The Beylik that became the Ottomans started off over in Ankara area but it's first capital was Bursa....which was a conquest that Osman was very proud of. Istanbul was Constantinople until eventually the Ottomans took it under Mehmet II, the 7th Ottoman Sultan. He then talks about the sanjak system while neglecting that it was certain places for certain periods of time and that places like Egypt broke away to be their own when Ottoman strength declined and Europeans like Napoleon intervened in North Africa.

Thanks Rudy, so appreciate the other gentleman also, learned a lot. Stay safe.

Rudy, you’re incredible ❤️

Keep up the great work Rudy ❤

Another Rudy classic 👏 that matrix line was hilarious btw

While I really appreciate Rudy's work and his priority of finding a solution in which both jews and arabs can live toghether, I must say that trying to use Britain as the ultimate scapegoat so that we can avoid talking about islamic colonization (which is actually the real origin of this conflict) is something I'm actually a bit frustrated by. Again, I understand and appreciate the reason for doing so, but it accoplishes nothing positive. Decolonization trough the re-establishment of Israel also means decolonization from the islamic supremacy that has been imposed trough force and literal violence by multiple islamic empires. Again, I want jews and arabs to live together in peace, but pretenting that the historical reality of the last 1.400 years doesn't exist only damages Israel's right to exist while giving un-earned points to the ''palestinian'' one. Just like using the term ''palestinian'' without at least clarifying that this very term was a publicly admitted invention and still is part of an anti-israel propaganda campaing is damaging israel's right to exist while also giving un-earned points to the arabs. I will accept their self-definitions when they will be genuine and not a manipulation of words, distortion of history and part of an attack on our identity.

@matiasbrachini8741

Жыл бұрын

Palestinians exist, whether or not you like it; Kosovo exist since 2008; Slovenians exist since 1990; Argentina exists since since the mid 19th century ( there were not " argentinians" before that); I can do this all day. What you have to accept is the fact that between the Mediterranean and Jordan there is already a binational state. Granted, part of that population ( Palestinians) lives under a military dictatorship ( Israel). The question is when the 2 million palestinians in the West Bank will be given citizenship in this binational state or autonomy. For now, they live under a military regime which kills their children because of demographic reasons.

@michaellavrov660

Жыл бұрын

​@@matiasbrachini8741 If Israel kills Arab kids for demographic reasons, how come that the Arab population in west bank more than doubled since 1948?

@idobecker7501

Жыл бұрын

​@@matiasbrachini8741that is not true, you have equal rights to arabs who live as israeli arabs but if you are an arab who does not like to be identified as an Israeli and then decides to identify as Palestinian you basically de-legitimize the existence of Israel. You cant have 2 states in the same country ao they've been given some land which they can live the way they want. They are in fact doing a bad job of having their own leadership and their own thing and so they live in a crime and poverty flooded area. They even have permits to come and work inside Israel if they go through the right way of making the permits and why so? Cause in Israel they make better money. Only time military ruling comes into the picture is when they cross our borders without permission, and now you ask why they need permission? That's not ok, well if you will suffer from constant terror attacks by Palestinian individuals you will as well goven the fact you have the power will limit the opposing aide in order to maintain safety of your own ppl. We also in the military have very strict rules more than probably most if not the whole world before we can open in fire, it has to be someone who has the means to hurt you fatally or very badly, he needs to be identified with mean of hurting you for example someone who looks arab that is in a dangerous distance that does not listen to orders of staying back and shouts "allahu akbar" while holding a knife and constantly getting closer even tho you tell him to stay back or you'll shoot and even when you shoot in the air he proceeded to come for you the you can shoot in order to kill. Also in some specific places if a car goes through a blockade by force and driving forward you can shoot, if someone tries to cross through a fans which he cut through and does not listen to arrest orders and being aggressive you can shoot. Depends on the place, the meaning of a person of what he seems to do and with the potential danger. We never shoot anyone unless he is an actual threat, we also have other means to scare away ppl in order for them to not get badly hurt and to restore peace to a problematic situation. We never kill kids man or women as you seem to accuse, all depends on very very specific situation and all arabs who live in israel live equally to jews by law.

@matiasbrachini8741

Жыл бұрын

@@idobecker7501 I understand that's your propaganda and you have the right to it.

@bjkorb7272

Жыл бұрын

Fully agree 👍 Islamist colonization and violence are not acknowledged nearly enough, while any violence done by Israel is exponentially overblown

The patience and intelligence shown by Rudy- 🙏🙌

Rudy I have watched many of your videos. Very educational. Keep up the good work. Truth will prevail.

I get he wasn’t shouting or anything like that. But he make 0 effort at actually trying to understand what you were saying and absolutely took in nothing you said. I don’t care that he wasn’t shouting, his utter refusal to listen and understand what you’re saying is just as bad. I mean how many times do you have to justify the Jewish people’s indigenousness for him to not refute it.

Thank you for this!

דיון מרתק, הוא ללא ספק ניסה לא להקל עלינו, במיוחד עם כל כך הרבה מידע שמפיצים עלינו. למרות ההרגשה שהוא שם אותנו על "במה" שבה אנחנו צריכים להוכיח את עצמנו בסטנדרטים מעל מה שהיו מבקשים מרב המדינות האחרות, בניסיון לחזור לטענות המקוריות שאותן שומעים כל הזמן, כיף לשמוע שיחה כל כך מעמיקה בנושא, מכובדת ורציונלית בלי לתקוף אחד את השני. העולם זקוק לזה יותר היום.

@fusical7913

Жыл бұрын

Holy shit its trackmania guy

@RacetasClub

Жыл бұрын

@@fusical7913 yup, often educating myself on my free time :D Shalom

It’s amazing to hear these conversations. Rudy when are you coming back to Israel?

I Really enjoy your conversation, good thing is you talk abt the facts, God bess you man.

I’ll tell you what, your first few opening points I was a bit skeptical of but leading into the vision of sharing historic land and acknowledging the rift created by the allocation of land by the British you had my respect. Very good discourse, credit to the guy for being rational and listening to you as well.

Props to staying calm and composed throughout.

Rudy, you are amazing! Keep doing that great thing - spreading the light of knowledge. Lack of knowledge is nowadays the main reason of evil and suffering.

Rudy I love listening to your videos.

I'm about 15 minutes in. It's so nice to see two people debate and exchange ideas without trying to trap the other in a "gotcha" moment or start shouting and resorting to insults. The guy in the beanie made some decent points and asked some fair questions, and he actually listened to the answers and took them on board. It's kind of sad that this is the exception, rather than the rule nowadays.

וואווווו - איזו סבלנות מדהימה יש לך !!!! יישר כוח.

a very civilised debate. well done

It boggles the mind how that European can be so fixated on colonialism while simultaneously being dismissive about indigenous peoples.

This was super interesting!!!

Rudy you are really patient person and I see that you believe in what you do. A few days back I watched your first video and was surprised.The first time I saw you was on a TV news broadcast when you talked about being in Gaza. I almost have to like you! respect and stay alive!!

Without prejudice to any side of this argument or any other one, this is one of the very few actual CONVERSATIONS on the Internet. A rarity for 2023. Kudos

Thanks appreciated the constructive dialogue between you and the European student.

רודי, תרשה לי להביע את הערכתי אליך! אתה איש מבריק! חכם, אינטליגנטי, מלא אימפטיה, מגן על זכותינו לארץ בצורה יוצאת דופן, אמיץ בטירוף- להכנס להמון זועם עויין ולנהל איתם שיח כחם ומשכנע- זה נדיר. תודה רבה לך! ירבו אנשים כמוך! אתה התגלמות של ישראל היפה!

Very educational and engaging.

You're both very inspiring.

*People dont understand the Jews ties to Israel.* ▪︎ The Jewish calendar used today is based on the land and seasons in Israel. ▪︎ All the festivals are based on the grain and fruit harvests in Israel. ▪︎ Every Jew in the prayers, twice a day says the Shema, which begins, *_Hear O Israel, The Lord is God, The Lord is One!_* ▪︎ Every synagogue in the world faces Jerusalem in Israel. ▪︎ If the first fruit of a woman's womb is a son, the Jews have a ceremony where the boy is bought back from a Cohen from service to the Temple in Jerusalem. ▪︎ In most Jewish homes there are coin boxes which collect charity for Israel, for orphans and the aged. ▪︎ All Jews around the world read and spoke Hebrew. The indigenous language of Israel. ▪︎ All Jews around the world honor the 9th of Av, Tisha B'av when both ancient Temples were destroyed. ▪︎ Every Jewish cemetery around the world faces Jerusalem. Many people in diaspora are buried with soil from Israel so in death they return in death to Israel. ▪︎ Buying Trees for Israel. Over 100 years, the Jews across the world have bought trees to re-forest Israel. ▪︎ For Life celebrations, and support, Jews buy Israeli Bonds, this supports the Jewish State, while supporting the people who buy the bonds. ▪︎ At Passover, all Jews around the world, at the seders, Jews state, *_"Next Year in Jerusalem!"_* ▪︎ On Chanukah, the dreidle, a 4-sided top has a Hebrew letter on each side that stands for the saying, *_A Great Miracle Happened There!_* except in Israel, where the last letter is exchanged for the letter "Pay", which change the dreidles saying to, *_A Great Miracle Happened Here!_* ▪︎ At Jewish weddings, the groom steps on a wine glass to signify the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem, and the vow that the children of that marriage are Jews, and will return to rebuild the holy Temple. ▪︎ The Shmita Laws of agriculture and gleaning, resting, and planting the lands are part of Torah law for the Land of Israel. *_These and more reasons explain how Jews held onto Israel throughout history, through different times, areas and ideologies._*

@rachelsamuel3328

Жыл бұрын

Let's try to add to this list!!

Rudy, it was nice to see somebody engaging in an actual conversation with you. I respect how you use your education to explain things factually. I am sure you left that young man with lots to consider.

Amazing to see you on the Berkeley campus where I studied in 1983-5. ישר כוח וחזק ואמץ

This was amazing an such an opener

Just subscribed. Great job.

What a great example of learning from each other. Neither became aggressive and both came away with some deeper understanding. This is what will eventually end the conflicts of the region

Very well spoken and explained. Well done.

Wonderful conversation 😌 enjoyable all the way around ❤

Watched on JTV channel. Pure artistry from Rudy. And Kol hakavod to the leftist for also having done his reading. Possibly the most informative 30 min I’ve heard on the case for Jews connection to the land.

I’m in awe of your communication skills 🫶

Ruby you are amazing!!! Most of all I admire your patience with ignorants and idiots.....

amazing Enlightment!!!

"No reality where either population will disappear"....exactly! Thank you for fighting the good fight, the fight for humanity! Proud to call you my brother

Great job Rudy

Rudy, thank you for your content, and thank you to the college student willing to have an actual conversation about this sensitive topic. I truly aspire to be as patient and articulate as you are when it comes to these kinds of issues. That being said, I just want to address your belief about modern Greeks: the continuity of Greek civilization and culture has been an ongoing prominent feature of the region for thousands of years. While there have been various historical events, migrations, and influences that have shaped the population over time (as is the case pretty much everywhere), there is a strong cultural and genetic continuity between the ancient and modern Greeks. And while our language has evolved since the time of Plato and Sophocles, we use the same alphabet and many of the same words to this day. We even still honor our pagan past! More specifically, our language and DNA is most closely related to the Mycenean Greeks. Researchers have analyzed ancient DNA from archaeological remains associated with the Mycenaean civilization and compared it to the DNA of contemporary Greek populations. These studies have found genetic similarities, indicating that there has been a significant degree of continuity in the population of the region over the millennia. Hope I was able to provide some insight, as you have done for me on Jewish culture and history!

A tendency among a lot of left-wing people...decide who seems less powerful and decide that's automatically the correct side. Sometimes that can useful, but for this deeply entrenched conflict with so many layers of history, it's just not that simple. And whether or not you agree with the actions of Israel, that wouldn't negate how legitimate the claim to the land is.

Is a very hard job what you doing !so much ignorance out there !Thank you for educating people !

"The Beni Israel of India and the Lost Tribes of Israel" is a book written by Benjamin Salzedo in 1921. The book discusses the author's belief that the Bene Israel, a Jewish community from India, were descended from the lost tribe of Israel. Salzedo also claims to have discovered a Jewish community in the West African kingdom of Dahomey (now known as Benin), which he believed was also descended from the lost tribe of Dan. Salzedo's book received some attention at the time of its publication, but its claims were largely discredited by scholars and experts in the field. Today, the idea that the Bene Israel or any other community are descended from the lost tribes of Israel is generally regarded as a myth or a matter of religious belief rather than a historical fact. The Bene Israel community themselves have a tradition that they are descended from Jews who fled from persecution in Galilee in the 2nd century BCE and arrived on the western coast of India, where they were welcomed by the local Hindu community. The Bene Israel maintained their Jewish identity and religious practices over the centuries, but there is no historical evidence to support the idea that they are descended from a lost tribe of Israel. Dahomey Jews: The Dahomey Jews, also known as the Bnai Israel of Dahomey, were a small community of Jewish people who lived in what is now the country of Benin in West Africa. The exact origins of the Dahomey Jews are unclear, but it is believed that they may have been descended from Sephardic Jewish traders who arrived in the area in the 17th century. The community may also have included converts to Judaism. The Dahomey Jews were known for practicing a unique form of Judaism that blended Jewish traditions with local African customs. For example, they incorporated elements of vodun (a West African religion) into their observances, and some members of the community also practiced polygamy. The community thrived in the 19th century under the protection of King Gezo of Dahomey, who allowed them to practice their religion freely and even granted them their own land. However, the community began to decline in the early 20th century as members emigrated to other parts of Africa and to Israel. Today, there are believed to be only a few remaining descendants of the Dahomey Jews in Benin, and the community is considered to be extinct. However, efforts have been made to preserve their history and culture, including through the publication of a book titled "The Last Jews of Dahomey" by historian Robin Cohen. The physical appearance of the Dahomey Jews, also known as the Toe or Gbe Jews, is not well documented, and there is limited information available about their physical characteristics. The Dahomey Jews were a small community of Jews who lived in what is now modern-day Benin, in West Africa. Some scholars suggest that they may have been descendants of Jews who migrated from North Africa or the Middle East, while others suggest that they may have been indigenous to the region. It is also possible that they were a mix of different ethnic groups. There are some descriptions of the Dahomey Jews from historical records, which suggest that they may have shared some physical characteristics with other West African ethnic groups. For example, some reports describe them as having dark skin and tightly coiled hair, which are common physical traits of many West Africans. However, it is important to note that physical appearance is a complex and multifaceted aspect of human identity, and that there is a great deal of genetic diversity within and between different ethnic groups. Therefore, it is not accurate to make assumptions about the appearance of an entire group of people based on limited information or historical records.

@emfegmfeg7100

Жыл бұрын

Yea, all those are fairy tails. There are so called “lost tribes” all over the world.

@secondexodus9105

Жыл бұрын

@@emfegmfeg7100 why are you interested in fairy tales coming from ancient Africans?

So articulate. I appreciate you Sir.

Rudy, man... WOW! Since I was a teen I found myself arguing a lot about the conflict with many people, mainly on the internet, most are being exposed essentially for the true reason of why they argue vigorously about Israel - they just hate Jews. But you, you are truly a master of your craft, your historical knowledge and your logical capacity are inspiring. at 6:30 he starts to talk about "Palestinians" you did not come into a resolution and agreement about the fact that the Jews are indeginous to the land. If he agrees that (after you made it perfectly clear), and he agrees that other similar cases have a right for self-determination to their lands (Tibetans for example) then it would be illogical of him to talk about the Palestinians since (in the false narrative where they were there for thousands of years) they are considered colonizers to the land. He should of been exposed for the hypocrisy.

Nice to listen to 2 intelligent people having a conversation

I love how he vaunts the Ottoman independent zones as though the pan arabism and Islamism weren't in large part, reactionary movements to Ottoman rule, but somehow the "peace" that prevailed in what the Ottomans called Syria was more idyllic than anywhere else.

@oremfrien

Жыл бұрын

Those movements were reactions to the last decade of Ottoman Rule when the Committee of Union and Progress began to end the semi-autonomy that existed in the Middle Eastern provinces and began to advocate for a centralization and Turkification that local potentates resisted. However, the Arab World had been under Ottoman occupation for over 350 years before that and the longevity of that autonomous rule (especially in Mount Lebanon) is what a lot of people refer to when they talk about it being better under the Ottomans. Spoiler alert, it was not idyllic local autonomy; it just happened to be a bunch of feuding princes fighting wars all of the time with the occasional intervention of an Ottoman governor or two to prevent full-scale massacres. A good parallel would be the feuding of the modern Arab states today; it just took place between city-states as opposed to entire nations.

Amazing conversation, he asked good questions too.

Omg we need more people like this beanie dude… He listens, its actually super refreshing

He needs to read History of Zionism by Walter Lacquer. There was a whole infrastructure of port, health system, Hebrew language revival, agricultural development, electricity, land reclamation like in Hula swamp in north- all activity by Jews before 1948. That's how it was a "nation established in a day" as the Bible describes. People are very unaware of the Jewish history and also where "Palestinians" actually came from and when in history.

Amazing ❤

Rudy you explained it so well and patiently. No matter what comes out of your mouth, this guy is like “well, I still think it’s strange bla bla”

Wowww bravo Rudy!!!!!

I admire your patience! I would have explode after five minutes!

Thanks!

As Maori, we are indigenous of our land just like our Jewish brothers and sisters are to Israel. Kia kaha Rudy. Keep speaking the truth with your mana brother.

It’s flabbergasting how smart and knowledgeable Rudy is…wow!

Really nicely done. These civilized discussions go leagues further than a random nutter shouting.

This education is sooooo improtant... greath analysis and breakdown

Following your videos religiously 😅

It is amazing how people that have never immigrated anywhere, and don't know the pull of your motherland. How much more when you were kicked out from your motherland. I love your logic and how calmly and respectfully you address arguments with facts.

Remember the Jews that we're kicked out of Arab lands and fled to Israel. 🇮🇱

@rayarubin6147

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That was a larger "nakba"

Excellent and civilized debate. However, at some point it felt like no matter how eloquently or how many times Rudy explained why Jews are indigenous people to the land, the beanie guy kept asking again and again. "I just don't understand....". It's clear he came with a strong agenda that "Jews are European colonialists" and was unwilling to let go, even in face of multiple explanations proving him wrong. Lots of respect, though, to them both, that the discussion was calm and respectful. We need more of that!

It's the same argument for an hour. It's like plugging in different parameters into a program and it always comes back with an error, the program is written to just return an error

Absolutely great

sheesh, he kept on asking the same question, and in the same exact way as well. the guy just decided to block his mind and not accept the explanation. Kudos to Rudy for the inhuman patience.

God bless your patience Rudy.. this guy asking the same thing for the 5th time after every time getting a detailed answer that he just didn't like would have pissed me off by that point.

We need more civil discussions like this. Why are so many people so easily triggered and allow their emotions to control how they express themselves? This was a pleasantly civil debate with a leftist. Hope this is a growing trend.

The Jewish people are *indigenous* to Judea - Land of Israel. 🕎🙌 After over 2 millennia of forced exile, persecution, and genocide, the *(re)establishment* of *Jewish sovereignty* in our *ancestral homeland* is a remarkable story of *national liberation.* Jewish claims to the land are far more than biblical accounts. Our *religion, language, culture, holidays, rituals, liturgy, history,* and even the words Jew and Jewish are all inseparable from *historical Judea* and our collective longing to *return to the Land of Israel.* The land of Israel is where Jews became *a people* and the *oldest monotheistic faith.* It is where Jews *achieved sovereignty* before losing it and regaining it several times until much of the *indigenous Jewish population* was either killed or forced into exile following the *Roman Empire’s* brutal suppression of the heroic *Jewish revolt* in the second century of the Common Era. Though the Romans subsequently *renamed the land* Syria Palaestina, the Jewish people *never left* our homeland physically or spiritually. *Archaeological evidence* of Jewish life can be found in more than *30,000 sites* in Israel with antiquities dating back centuries. Even when we were massacred and persecuted by Christian Crusaders, Arab and Ottoman *invaders,* the British-led Jordanian Arab Legion, or more recently Hamas suicide bombers and rockets, our attachment *never* wavered. It is in this same land where Jews miraculously *revitalized* the Hebrew language, *rebuilt* the institutions necessary for independence, *re-engaged* in rituals that are uniquely observed in the land of Israel, *redeveloped* the land and the economy so that by several magnitudes the Jewish and non-Jewish populations grew, and offered refuge not just to the remnant which survived the Holocaust, but also millions of Jews fleeing persecution from the Muslim Middle East, Ethiopia, and the former Soviet Union. Today, Israel is a *rich tapestry of diverse citizens,* including over half of Jewish Israelis who identify as Jews of color and 20% of whom are Arab citizens. *Peace Not Hate!* 🇮🇱💙

The young American keeps saying he doesn't think Jews should say they have a right to theland... but Palestinians say the same thing; Yet he hasn't been arguing against when the Palestinians say it; o if BOTH are saying it, EITHER BOTH DO HAVE A RIGHT to the land, or one group in fact has MORE of a right to the land. Another point one needs to remember is that atthe end of the Orroman Empire, NOBODY had an official "right " to the land It had been Ottoman for 700 years, before that several various empires had taken control, but in 1948 there was no single group who had a right to it EXCEPT The British, because the Ottomans officially left the land to the league of Nations which made it a British Mandate. The British eventually gave 3/4 to the Arabs to form the Hashemite kingdon of Jordan,.. and the UN gave the rest to TWO groups, one Arab and one Jewish - to form their own soveriegn states. The Jews accepted, and the Arabs refused . And immediaitely started a war with the Jews to "push them into the sea"; And LOST the war. So from that point in time, since they had refused thier own state and then lost the war they bagan, whatever the israelis controlled after the war is generally THEIRS. That Israel tried for decades to find common ground to re-ignite thepossibility of a Palestinian State shows a decency and patience and sense of Justice on their part which is phenomenal. But again, typically, the Arabs refused every attempt as they NEVER wanted a two-state solution,they always opted for a one state solution ONLY for the Arabs and NOTHING as a sovereign state for the Jews. Which is hardly fair of tehm in any sense of teh word. THAT is all simply HISTORICAL FACT. These Arabs - who began calling themselves "Palestinians" after 1967 for political gain- in fact probably lost all claim to teh land by losing three wars against Israel... wars that tehy themsleves had initiated. NOrmally speaking, when a group of people LOSE a war -they also lose claim to the land. Generally speaking, if there are refugees, they move to another country and make a new life for themselves and that is the end of it. Buit 75 years after losing three wars in which tehy tried genocidally to "drive teh Jews into teh sea" - they STILL claim to have the right to define terms to teh winner! They still wave their old housekeys insisting on a claim to teh land and teh houses lost 75 years ago; And their childre ad grandchildren still ALL claim to be refugees, and also even get specifi aid from the UN and UNBWRA - somehting no other refugee group ever has had; My grandparents fled Russia because of the pogroms in the early 20's. Do they still brandish keys and insist on a right of return? No! They settled in Canada, but are their grandchildren and great grandchildren considered as refugees too? NO! ONLY the Palestinians can ask for "proportionality" and also insist on (and get!) special treatment.

Very articulate. I’m very Impressed.

What a peaceful exchange of ideas. It can be done.

That was fantastic.

So my mom is Jewish and my Dad is North Sámi, so I am indigenous on both sides of my family to two different pieces of land. This man sounds Scandinavian, most likely Swedish and his people are currently oppressing and have been oppressing the Sámi and it’s funny that that’s his argument given what his people are currently doing. So of course he wants to define indigenous people out of existence cause then his people aren’t in the wrong.

@friedrichbaeker

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You aren't oppressed. You also aren't indigenous to the land if we're going off who got there first because the Swedes and Norwegians were there first

@blacksheepscrook8850

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@@friedrichbaeker, except no, and yes you did, look up the history of it, Nomad Schools with abuse, Green colonialism on our land(wind turbines), Discrimination in work and education, your governments making it illegal to use our language, etc, etc etc. No matter how you want to deny it doesn't change the fact that the UNDRIP recognizes and supports us in the fight for self-determination on our land. Fuck the Swedes, Norwegians, and Finnish.

@negationf6973

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That's a very cool ethnic mix. Jewish and North Sami.

@blacksheepscrook8850

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@@negationf6973 Havent heard of another, feels weird thought, cause I washed raised only by my mom after my Dad died when I was young. I have spent most of my adult life trying to learn and connect more with my Dads side and people.

@negationf6973

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@@blacksheepscrook8850 I see. Sorry to hear about your father. Best of luck on your continuing journey to learn and connection more with your Dad's people. But its also cool that you're Jewish, and know that culture, too.