Summary of podcast: girl that has no clue wtf she's talking about argues with three dudes who also have no idea wtf they talking about

@perelafrand8173

11 ай бұрын

Agree. So pointless

@theDiann

11 ай бұрын

Yup

Flatbush girls husband is an aguna

Love how 3 guys that are not exactly the most religious suddenly become the fiercest advocates of the rabanim.

@hayleynhassan

3 ай бұрын

this gave me PTSD and reminded me why I went to law school! She has more grace than I would have in this situation... 😅

This entire conversation would have been SO different if they had someone else in the studio who was even moderately well-versed in Halacha

This is like a conversation between a bunch of Shana Aleph guys who speak about things with the conviction of authority but are really just a bunch of Am Aratzim.

@Doubleuesq

11 ай бұрын

Bdiyuk

@moshen7841

11 ай бұрын

Wrong: Laibel is a true Lamdan

@hertzhur8022

11 ай бұрын

So is Adina

@ezrabaraka3583

11 ай бұрын

Both sides are am Haaretzim and Flatbush girl is a just a leftist activist masquerading as a frum woman

@michalschwartz1127

10 ай бұрын

Exactly. This is hardly an open conversation..

Love everyone arguing about complex halachos, and afterwards saying they don't actually know

The Mothers and all great females in jewish history are turning in theyre graves knowing that this lady has influence and power in the the orthodox world.This podcast is just 2 hours of her broadcasting her lack of knowledge in basic jewish law and customs.

She signed her Kesuba?? Since when do women sign the kesuba? She just bullshits on the fly like no big deal.

@barniebabushka

11 ай бұрын

Also, the kesuba has no bearing on divorces, as the minimum amount of support is generally covered by the amount he will owe her regardless when assets are divided

As a licensed toenet rabbanit, who represents women in BD on a regular basis, Flatbush Girls has little understanding of Halacha. There should have been a halachic authority in the podcast to set the record straight.

She is woke

She is the poster child of why females aren't supposed to learn these topics. She is either blatantly wrong or extremely oversimplifying every halacha or situation.

@musia2423

11 ай бұрын

On the contrary. Women need to learn more so they can understand these topics with greater knowledge of the sources. All the hosts could refer to was "the gedolim" and "mishnah brurah". If she had had a formal education in Halacha and gemarah this conversation (barely one at that) would have been considerably better.

@richardreisman5484

11 ай бұрын

@@musia2423 I agree that everyone should be more educated on this topic. But most of halacha and especially in this situation is not about president. It's about having the understand of how halacha and Torah works to teach a psak in each case individually. She clearly has no idea how rabbanim look at and decide psakim.

@richardreisman5484

11 ай бұрын

In halacha and Torah there is no concept of president. It's knowing how to decipher a situation with taking all the nuances into account to reach a verdict. To quote random cases without knowing any of the details and saying we should apply that in different cases is lunacy.

@danceillusions13

3 ай бұрын

​@@richardreisman5484she has no idea because she clearly hasn't learned or been taught Torah. So actually the solution is to educate women, because when you don't, you end up with the likes of flatbush girl

Just got to watch the video 6 months after it came out, I got to say you're really amazing!!! (Pls fire the guy with the cap)

@MentalHelathAdvacate1996

5 ай бұрын

He fired him. Why don’t you like him?

“You’re not aligning yourself with the people you’re trying to change” I love you Laibel 😘

Not understanding why people watch this podcast

I like the way the ppl on this podcast are pretty respectful to one another even if they strongly disagree at times

@benzismuzic

6 ай бұрын

Not respectful at all....he prob was drunk

you cant throw out random terminologies and say that there are ways to solve the agunah crisis, its like opening a dictionary and throwing out random ingredients and saying to make a recipe.

@hayleynhassan

3 ай бұрын

the same thing is being done with the issues here.. it is so disorganized! Can you imagine if they had at least made a few stipulations beforehand... oy 😶

Flatbush Girl is trying to distort halachah. The guy with the purple tshirt is actually talking some sense

She’s against everything orthodox. Total rebel.

These topics indeed warrant thoughtful debate. However, I wish the discussion had been conducted between individuals who truly understand the complexities of Judaism, specifically Orthodox Judaism, and how it distinguishes itself from Reform and Conservative movements. An individual who grasps how Orthodox Judaism exists in an ever-evolving world, and understands both the principles of Halakha and the intricate details of the Gemara, would be able to shed light on the varying opinions. So that each side could explain their perspective and we are they are coming from. For example, you could explore the question to what extent does Orthodox Judaism evolve? Such a debate requires someone with in-depth knowledge of the intimate details of Judaism, its nuances, and how they apply to our modern lives. Engaging in this debate without such understanding is like arguing about government policies, without ever learning the basics of economics. It ends up being a shouting match.

@shoshanaweiner9952

11 ай бұрын

Actually made it through the whole comment. Cldve been said in 2 lines.

@shoshanaweiner9952

11 ай бұрын

Glad to see you’re handling the swearwords a lot better now 😂

@Davidl422

11 ай бұрын

So you’re one of those type of people.

@RabbiPolichenco

11 ай бұрын

​@@shoshanaweiner9952 and what are those 2 lines?

Alex providing the best background comedy 😂

I think 2-3 dayanim should’ve been invited to this podcast

This gon be interesting especially after the whole flashing thing

The Rav Ovadiah Yosef story was super interesting. I had never heard that before. We should study that case study and see what R Yosef relied on to grant those Gets.

@zevfeldman4346

11 ай бұрын

Rav Obadiah Zatzal wasn’t dealing with Get refusers. He was dealing with legitimate Agunos after the independence and 6 day wars who didn’t know if their spouses are still alive.

@teshuvahnow2839

11 ай бұрын

@@zevfeldman4346not true he also dealt with other kinds of agunot- difference is he truly cared for women unlike todays leaders

@zevfeldman4346

11 ай бұрын

@@teshuvahnow2839 it would be helpful if you can share a link or something with the facts surrounding the exact stories.

@nathankatri328

11 ай бұрын

I know the story in depth and I don’t know why she brings it up it dosnt help her if you know the whole story

@sinatra222

11 ай бұрын

Sephardic. Doesn't count.

What this episode was missing is an actual modern Rav who could answer her without prefixing “I don’t actually know”

I loved the video I watched the whole way through… PLEASE NEXT TIME DESCRIBE THE AGUNAH CRISIS. How big is it? What is a agunah?? We understand the history of getting a get and so on from this conversation but the stakes were just not explained well😅 Thanks!

It's not that a community will push a leader to make certain decisions; it's that the threat of a community backlash prevents them from making certain decisions. Every leader today lives within a community bubble, and a leader's authority is dependent on that community. A community must be open to accepting an idea for it's leader to have the freedom to consider it. Even worse is if those a leader's community bubble considers not-good-enough were to cheer for such a leader while the community themselves did not like that leader's decision.

The education system failed everyone on this podcast.

@Zealot101-mi3ni

11 ай бұрын

But up to them to get the help they need

@Moka162

11 ай бұрын

Fax

@oyeahjustcomenting

11 ай бұрын

I think whatever education system you went through that would enable you to criticize a group of Jews disagree on an important matter, without providing any argument, critique or anything, is far more expressive of the poor education you’ve had and not so much their’s

@Doubleuesq

11 ай бұрын

@@oyeahjustcomenting I had the same education they did...

@srulik666

3 ай бұрын

​@oyeahjustcomenting You choose not to understand the argument. Let me spell it out for you: These guys have very superficial knowledge. This is clear to anyone who knows just a little more. They choose not to bring anyone with understanding to this discussion. This is not about your rights to say foolish things against government. Nobody stops them. It is about understanding at least the level of your own knowledge and be careful when you talk to wider audience.

4 chickens without their heads chasing each other around.

Flatbush girls is refusing a get from her "husband"

I loved the part where he was talking about creating a rougher world I defiantly agree. This whole cancel culture and having to apologize for every little thing is adding to a weaker society . Masculine is defiantly needed in this world just as feminity is needed

The point she’s making about Miriam singing by ‏ קריעת ים סוף for the men, is totally bogus. rather played on an instrument and sang for the women. ותקח מרים הנביאה אחות אהרן את־התף בידה ותצאן כל־הנשים אחריה בתפים ובמחלת

@teshuvahnow2839

11 ай бұрын

don’t bull shit us when the commentaries everywhere say she SANG

@zevfeldman4346

11 ай бұрын

@@teshuvahnow2839 where does it say that Miriyam sang for the men? Please enlighten me

@meirtt

11 ай бұрын

nivul peh? Why this kind of language? You are seemingly calling for teshuva after all@@teshuvahnow2839

@benignuman

5 ай бұрын

@@teshuvahnow2839 It says she lead the women in singing. Rashi on the spot says Miriam taught As Yashir to the women and Moshe taught it to the men. There's no reason to think she was singing in front of the men. Shiras Devorah is a much better argument because it says she sang with Boruch. There are various answers, of course, and they have practical differences in halacha. For example the Sridei Aish held that kol isha doesn't apply to shiros v'tishbachos to Hashem. He says this is the halachic basis for the Yekke minhag for women to sing zemiros at the Shabbos table even when there are guests.

I heard from the mouth of my own neighborhood rav, that when extremists were behaving in a very untorah way (usingvandalismfor example), he was not willing to stand up against them because he just didn't want to get into that fight. He didn't have the strength to fight the good fight. As much as we do not want to accept it, rabanim are human beings. For that very reason, a rav on a beis din who accepted the loan of an umbrella from the defendant in a case took himself off of that case because it might be considered bribery. Politics plays a big part in these issues. Money plays a part in these issues. It's unfortunate but true.

Wayyyy more women railing men in divorce court over money and kids then agunas.. I’m with laibel here

Great conversation it’s such an important topic!

Abuse can happen from both sides . Withholding a Get gives the man an undue advantage and is improper . Leibel is wrong .

@song9119

5 ай бұрын

Why is Leibel wrong, he’s actually saying the same thing as you, that abuse happens on both sides

Wow she literally deflects every question to say she doesn’t know she’s not an expert so why is she talking on the topic🙄

You need to have a qualified Dayan on after all of this to clarify Halacha and take some push back..

Teiku??? For real? Wow. Well, if there’s one teikuway from this podcast, it’s gotta be that

This is going to be interesting…

This lady is a living example of someone living with a victim mentality.

@oyeahjustcomenting

11 ай бұрын

She just spent 2 hours explaining she is a victim and you deny it? You deny that a female is powerless to obtain a Gett isn’t a victim of society? Of the halachic system that as she explained does not need to be reformed to fix this but rather the rabbinical enforcement today does?…

@ezrabaraka3583

11 ай бұрын

Yes she’s basically a leftist trying to distort Halacha masquerading as a frum woman there’s no diff bet her and a reform or wtvr spouting tikun olam

We should only be listening to competent people on these (and all) issues.

Get rid of that weirdo with the cap thinking if he simps for ever girl he’s gonna make it to the sleepover

@shoshanaweiner9952

11 ай бұрын

Woah, what the hell

@shloimyspitzer4663

11 ай бұрын

@@shoshanaweiner9952 Flatbush girls husband gets pegged

You guys should study the Get of Cleves controversy

They should also introduce themselves as I have no clue who they are, Adina though have been happy to know her and family for decades.

I think this is the episode where they realized the dude with the cap has gotta go😂😂😂😂

After the divorce the man losses his home, pay for child support , alamoni and mortgage, pay new rent in most cases live in a basement , while the wife enjoys the kids huge and thier laughter while he is paying for it all. can see his kids maybe once a week at best . What can they do they hold the GET , FOR NEGOTIATION , unless they are sick other wise why they would withhold the GET .

There r three shitos in kol isha : 1)Nothing allowed 2) allowed as long as you don't see face 3) allowed as long as u don't attend live concert. According to 3rd opinion girls can have a public page...

@benignuman

5 ай бұрын

Many more opinions that that.

@48:23 … 😂 rebbe leib in 22 years from now send Flatbush girl a letter. “I’m ready to finish talking about all the halachos now”

You guys were wrong about the הדלקת נרות issue but you guys are right about everything else. Keep it up!

@meirtt

11 ай бұрын

I don't think they were wrong. They meant there were differences in hadlakat nerot between men and women. That IS true

@theDiann

11 ай бұрын

@@meirtt there is a חיוב on men to light if there are no women in the house

@meirtt

11 ай бұрын

@@theDiann I am aware. But this does not negate my point that there is a difference between women and men in lighting candles. The fact that there is an obligation for women to light even if the man is there (and she would light in place of the man), is a difference.

@theDiann

8 ай бұрын

True

Zack: we don't know if he has a donkey😂😂

I also wanted to bring up something from the last podcast, for the record. There wasn't any discussion about when David Wasserman had last seen his daughters. From what I know, it's been close to ten years since Nechama Esther Wasserman ran away with her kids, asking for a "Get" and "giving" the ultimatum of not seeing the kids again. They might have a custody agreement in place, but she's not following it in any way with her daughters.

@barniebabushka

11 ай бұрын

What is your source for this information?

@gabriellanewman1912

11 ай бұрын

@@barniebabushkahe’s probably Dovid 😂

@barniebabushka

11 ай бұрын

@gabriellanewman1912 I was asking seriously. I've heard a lot of conflicting things about this case. Trying to figure it out. It's one of the shadier aguna scandals. For instance, why is she not recognized by ORA? Ppl who actually want to help this family should be asking these questions

Anyone else hear the guy in the cap say reb moshe learned shas more times then moshe rabeinu 😂😂😂😂 gemara was only made a while ago😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 clueless people

Shmueli was on fire this episode really grounded and made really good arguments 👏👏

Honestly.....she is the biggest baalas gaava but at the same time full of hot air like I've never seen. I never thought I'd see someone talk about herself like that.

you all have no idea what you are talking about - men and women have different mitzvot because we have different missions and different things we need to do. Many of the issues you are discussing are conflations and completely made up. You are missing how halacha works.

@bf423

3 ай бұрын

EXACTLY well said. Tho I did find this pod super entertaining

Super impressed that Flatbush girl came on here to begin with ☺️

@chofyam3466

11 ай бұрын

@@JJ-kf4kc😂😂😂

This is crazy intertaining

Rabbonim need to unite and back each other. Adina is right. The Rabbonim need to be bolder, have broader shoulders

@chayap.199

11 ай бұрын

@@JJ-kf4kc Standing up to abusive powerful men in the community will require the Rabbonim to be brave.

1:10:33 where did moshe take a beating from within the yidden?

Okay. Bottom line; Flatbush girl is a politician. Straight up politician.

IMO: The most relevant part of this podcast starts at 1:40:00

@wizo-xs2mp

4 ай бұрын

Thanks l appreciated that

What is funny about sexual harassment?

Why is the readhead so confrontational? Let the woman finish a sentence before jumping to attack her. Debating this way won’t get you any respect.

@zevfeldman4346

11 ай бұрын

He is actually right. She thinks that her subjective feelings overwrite basic Halacha.

@shoshanaweiner9952

11 ай бұрын

*redhead 😂

@yasmin8370

11 ай бұрын

Right... Ugh sooo annoying

@Yossiaa11

11 ай бұрын

Knowing leible from watching literally every single episode from this podcast I think he showed incredible restraint which is probably very hard for someone with his nature

@nathankatri328

11 ай бұрын

Lol because some of the stuff she is saying is so stupid he just can’t hear it

I am a fan of leibel guy who even though doesn't wear a yarmulke he has real "yiras shamayim" and knows the emes-truth

This podcast is rated three out of five Oy Veys

Zack is very bored

Don’t understand the logic of bringing her on if they don’t agree on even 1 thing she said. No one needs to hear a podcast of people yelling and arguing for the sake of arguing. Make your money elsewhere.

saying a gadols name and "beitzim" in the same sentence is wild

@leah6970

7 ай бұрын

yea that was crazy

Laibel doesn’t realize that withholding a get is a big form of child abuse

The concept of yeridos hadoros is that Moshe Rabeinu got the Torah from g-d and the further we are from that we are not as clear in understanding the Torah as the previous generations.Those that say there are no yeridos hadoros don’t understand the concept of Torah.

@jojodesal

5 ай бұрын

It even worse than that. The idea of yeridos ha doros is fundamental. If one does not understand the greatness of their ancestors, he will not understand the fundamental importance of their understandings and achievements. As a result, this idea was held in esteem even by educated גויים of the past. The fewer people that understand yeridos ha doros, the greater the doom that faces a society.

She is woke. She mixes feelings with halacha. She is a confused individual. But the real problem is that she is debating 3 "am haratzim"

Shocker, the one guy who hates his life, Torah & GD agreed with everything she said…🙄

1:28:55 why is it traumatic for a woman to see the male body? If men and women are equal, then the response to male and female exposure should be equal too

Flatbushgirl questioning Rav Shafran is equivalent to a preschooler questioning Elon Musks decisions on the proper way to build a rocket

Flatbush Girl , it doesn't seem that most women in your space have your problems. Women in your neighborhood have been successful for 60 years

1:18:40 she really turned into a Walmart philosopher

It’s pretty funny that @JJ tells everyone how bad the podcast is yet he always listens and knows every second of it.🤣

@pokergenius2

11 ай бұрын

@@JJ-kf4kc lol you have no time to listen to the podcast but you respond to everyone all the time seems like you have too much time on your hands🤣

It’s time she gets a Ai Rabbi !!! 😂😂😂😂

24:33 henay sorah bi'o hell no Her deleteing every other why of translating the verse besides hes is hilarious because the entire point of deeper translating is because the torah doesn't just say random things that should be taken olny at face value every single letter has a deeper meaning That's one of the reasons why if one letter is missing its posel

Poor Zach lol

@perelafrand8173

11 ай бұрын

@@JJ-kf4kc right

You guys seem to have grown some brains in the past week or so

I lost a lot of respect for her, after that first conversation, this is what happens when you sleep through הלכה סדר every day!!

@ao.h.b4570

11 ай бұрын

me too she really is not showing her bright side

Zacks trying to get with that

She is an absolutely HORRID spokesperson for this issue. Her misrepresentation of the halachos relevant to Gittin does tremendous disservice to her cause. It reinforces the sense that there are no real halachic pathways to approaching resolutions.

@edensidneyfoster7873

11 ай бұрын

How so? How is she misrepresenting?

@RabbiScience

11 ай бұрын

@@edensidneyfoster7873 The ease and frequency of heter meah rabbanim (implying that men have an “easy out” as opposed to women). The relevance of umdenah - implying that it can easily be applied. Same with bitul kiddushin based on “mum gadol”. She literally is repeating words that she has NO clue the meaning, or she’s an outright liar.

@edensidneyfoster7873

11 ай бұрын

@@RabbiScience If heter meah happens more frequently isn’t that evidence that it is easier? What makes these examples so difficult to apply? And if they are difficult, is it not worth the effort to find the way to apply them?

I don’t know if Laibel is married, but I worry for his wife/future wife. This man just said he would withhold a gett if he didn’t get what he wanted. That’s the most controlling red-flag thing I’ve ever heard, and it shows how out of touch he is that he would freely admit that.

@shoshanaweiner9952

11 ай бұрын

You took what he said out of context.

@ilanaleonard3850

11 ай бұрын

@@shoshanaweiner9952 I did not, he said the gett should be used as a bargaining chip for assets/child custody/anything else, and he said he would personally use it that way if he had to. That is controlling and misogynistic.

@barniebabushka

11 ай бұрын

I heard him say that in a situation where a woman was using her family's money and power and making things up to destroy a guy and his relationship with his kids, he would use a Get to even the playing field and get a fair settlement. That sounds like he would be in favor of using a Get to protect himself. Not quite the same as a bargaining chip

@stelladoora8045

11 ай бұрын

He's single and said he's been in therapy for 11 years. Go figure.

@barniebabushka

11 ай бұрын

"The most controlling red flag thing" is parental alienation. To manipulate kids to hate a parent because you're bitter your marriage didn't work out. The kids are the what matter most but their lives being destroyed beyond repair doesn't keep Flatbushgirl up at night as long as the woman in the situation is happy and can move on

Judges 5 שׁוֹפְטִים א וַתָּשַׁר דְּבוֹרָה, וּבָרָק בֶּן-אֲבִינֹעַם, בַּיּוֹם הַהוּא, לֵאמֹר. 1 Then sang Deborah and Barak the son of Abinoam on that day, saying…

Can I count this as a learned Torah today?

@eraofthej

11 ай бұрын

It’s pure am haartzus so no

Painful to listen to the halachic ignorance and lack of nuance on each side.

Let’s make it mandatory to sign a prenup and bypass this whole Aguna issue

@cgotlb

11 ай бұрын

It's not that simple. To get a kosher gett it can NOT be forced. Unless got the thing she spoke about. And halachic prenups are not about the gett

@letsgettserious

10 ай бұрын

or let's just do away with gett entirely

Kudos to flatbush girl for sitting through 2 hours of verbal abuse and responding so calmly.

@ny_scoop

11 ай бұрын

Pushing back isn't abuse.

@eliweber5071

11 ай бұрын

Disagreeing is not a verbal abuse

@sportsallday8795

11 ай бұрын

Flatbush girl is a menace to the world

I find it funny how she is such an advocate against the man exposing himself (goes without saying I think it was not a good thing, but do agree that it’s funny) but if it were up to her she would have all kids go to pride parades where men go around naked all the time and offer kids books that are absolutely disgusting.

@westjkl9064

11 ай бұрын

How do you know that?

Here is the process for creating Agudah cases: Begin by abducting children, then assert that the "get" must be issued without consideration for any surrounding factors. In a nutshell, this outlines the essence of the "Aguna Crisis."

@barniebabushka

11 ай бұрын

Yes, several of these cases were instigated by shit women. But to be fair, there are certainly cases of shit men out there. Both can be true

@letsgettserious

11 ай бұрын

@@barniebabushka the vast majority of "agunah" cases are easy to resolve by just sharing custody and cutting off financial ties

@barniebabushka

11 ай бұрын

@@letsgettserious what do you mean cutting off financial ties

@letsgettserious

11 ай бұрын

@@barniebabushka Cutting off all payments between the spouses, for example monthly "child support" or alimony payments . if the man is chained to the marriage by being forced send large monthly payments to his ex-spouse, there are still financial ties between the couple and a lot of men feel that as long as they are chained to their ex-spouse, they will not finalize the divorce.

@barniebabushka

11 ай бұрын

@letsgettserious I agree on alimony. It's a ridiculous concept. Child support is a little different but certainly should be an agreed reasonable amount that is needed for basic needs and tuition. The issue is that even after things are settled, the courts are always open for adjustments. Women whose families have too much money will spend tons of money on lawyers for slight adjustments in support just to make their ex have to pay more

Amazing episode guys. Keep it up💪

She is probably gonna demand this podcast gets removed after she watches it, and realizes how she embarrassed her self in the first conversation

@ilanaleonard3850

11 ай бұрын

You think SHE embarrassed herself? Adina remained calm, poised, and articulate in the face of what can only be described as an aggressive, immature, mansplaining attack on everything she was saying with no attempt to listen to her side and try to understand. This wasn’t a debate, they were trying to bash her. I seriously have seen kindergarteners treat each other with more respect then they treated her. It’s them who should be embarrassed.

@michellelansky4490

11 ай бұрын

@@ilanaleonard3850 she only embarrassed herself bec she sounds stupid....not bec of her deportment.

@leah6970

7 ай бұрын

nah, he was respectfully giving her some much deserved pushback on her past actions and questioned her "brand" and she never fully answered a lot of his very legitimate questions@@ilanaleonard3850

2:03:38 how did that change?

Shmuli I’m not a פוסק or a דיין Zack It’s a good thing you’re telling us that if not, we wouldn’t know LAMO 😂

Laible, great pushback and debating. Love it!

Theirs something called emunas chachamim. It means you can ask questions but at a certain point you need to nullify your opinion to the opinion of the gedolim. Without that you will get no where.

she is for sure a conservative or a reform jew. and she doesn't know what she is talking about.

Get her help