I am beyond impressed and excited that you dared to cover this topic! I've been personally convinced for years that entheogens were the impetus and genesis of Joseph Smith's visions and revelations. Please cover this more, as you can!

@debbieshrubb1222

19 күн бұрын

Steve Pynnakers Mormon Book Reviews recently hosted a "discussion" including Brian Hales. It's also discussed on Naked Mormonism podcast.

*The Journals of the Council of 50 need to be researched regarding this event. Those of John Solomon Fullmer are kept in the church vault. The LDS Church doesn't even acknowledge the existence of most of his journals. And those which they do are limited approval access. The LDS church normally only allows access to a historians summery of what's in his journals. And I believe that is also only via permission. I believe that the BYU library has a copy of the summary of those few journals the church admits to having. John was 1st Trustee and Trust, scribe for Nauvoo City Council, Member of the Council of 50, and a brother-in-law of Joseph Smith. Joseph secretly lived in John's home while evading Governor Boggs & married John's sister at the time. So should be juicy details in the original journals.*

@Pay-It_Forward

20 күн бұрын

*John Solomon Fullmer is also the person who was smuggling the guns into Carthage Jail.*

My online friend who has bipolar, said Joseph Smith was Bipolar (visions - hallucinations. Excessive writing - Book of Mormon). She had to take down her Joseph Smith video because so many people were upset.

@debbieshrubb1222

20 күн бұрын

A friend who has lived with bipolar also feels like JS had bipolar (plus psychopathic tendencies).

@col06007

10 күн бұрын

Interesting, that really makes a lot of sense on so many levels.

Are we allowed to talk about this without Bryce Blankenagel?

@alexcriddle7587

21 күн бұрын

Bryce was with us in spirit!

Wow. This makes sense. I wondered about these visions . I personally have had visions without any use of herbs or drugs, so I just assumed Joseph had visions. But I have in the last few months, wondered how they all had the visions in Kirkland etc. it would also explain why the vast number of visions ceased or slowed down dramatically after these years . The saints after either didn't know of all of this, or stopped doing it.

@alexcriddle7587

18 күн бұрын

That's the beauty of this research, it leaves space for people to have visions with and without the help of these substances. Many of Joseph's visions probably used them, but certainly not all of them did. Particularly as he got good at reaching the visionary state towards the end of his life. It definitely helps explain the mass visions in the early church. It's likely that after Joseph's death + moving to a new location with new plants they just didn't have the same knowledge or ability to use them. There was something special about Joseph's ability to facilitate visions too.

I’m 80 and I’ve done pscilibin (sp) here in UT.

@xenuburger7924

21 күн бұрын

Albert Hofmann the inventor of LSD had his last trip at the age of 95. His mind remained sharp until his death at the age of 102.

Wow! A new rabbit hole! Thank you for having these guys on!

This is going to be EPIC!!!

I've had an OBE, and I had to do research to figure out what that was. My ex's family didn't want me on my psych meds. So, I took them in secret, because you can't just go off them. Remember DARE? My one friend said speaking in Toungs is ok, as long as somebody is there to translate. I'd agree with that Rebecca, it would be whatever your religion is. I just remember seeing a bright light, and then it became really dark, and then I woke back up. I was freaking out, because I didn't know what had happened. I wasn't on anything. I was at girl's camp, and I could have been high on spirit, and they made us not get a lot of sleep. And they closed my eyes for a blessing, you're not supposed to close people's eyes if they are going into an OBE. My patriarch didn't want me to drive after my blessing, he had my friend drive. This is all very fascinating; I'd love to learn more. 🩷🩷 I watched this to the end. Sorry for so many comments, I have schizophrenia with mood disorder. (Not bipolar).

In Kabbalah, women cast spells while braiding hair. Why Brigham Young asked his Relief Society women to cut their hair and exquisitely braid it into the Manti Temple Hair Wreath always seemed bizarre to me. The wreath features the Kabbalah “Tree of Life”, the Rosicrucian Masonic checked floor, and Solomon’s basin resting on 12 Bronze Ba’alim facing the four cardinal directions. 12 Bronze Ba’alim represent Jupiter…the sacred number of power, wealth and sexual prowess according to Barrett’s “Magus” published in 1801 AD.

Wow so fascinating Who would have known ! Thanks you guys for bringing us such amazing podcasts . 😊😊😊

This makes a lot of sense. I am not, nor have ever been Mormon, but I find church history to be fascinating. I believe the Prophet Joseph Smith was sincere in establishing the faith, yet he was flawed in many ways. I do not view him as a complete charlatan though some of his translation work was demonstrably false. If his religious quest was guided by folk medicine, a lot of the story comes into focus.

They saw the things with their 'Spiritual Eyes'...

I have said for years I think Joseph Smith was on some kind of psychedelics. I did an ayahuasca retreat years ago in Peru and went through a dark heavy experience and then saw two beings of light etc. . Had an existential experience. I remember thinking Joseph Smith was more than likely on something 😂

Great show. Thanks.

Thank you for all the time you take to bring such informative podcasts to us! I especially like the positive attitudes you both display.

Proof is all there!!! Ive actually been thinking this over the past the few weeks!!! N now finding this video lol freaky!!! Thankyou all you guys

The pioneer cemetery in Magna in which my husband is interred is full of datura.

@alexcriddle7587

21 күн бұрын

No way! That's nice to hear. We should start a list of everywhere it is found!

@TalismanianDevil

21 күн бұрын

“Black Pete”, Joseph Smith’s friend, apparently practiced African Voodoo and taught him Datura processing. Someone high on Datura will sign their life away.

I love this stuff!

Amazing information, thank you for sharing it! Shelf breaker item was listening to Sam Harris’ podcast #3, describing his experience with a friend where they took MDMA. Unrequited feelings of love for all people, etc. Perfectly described a spiritual experience I had in the MTC.

I think the LDS church has always put a little processed Datura into the sacrament water. Everyone always “feels better” after they go to church. The effect would be most pronounced on Fast Sunday when all of the members have empty stomachs and the tithing and fast offerings pour in. Datura is a drug that can make people agree to anything.

@mormonishpodcast1036

21 күн бұрын

I agree with you! Lol

@LongJourneys

21 күн бұрын

I dunno, I was a deacon in the 90s and we just used tap water

@TalismanianDevil

20 күн бұрын

@@LongJourneys Datura is incredibly powerful. A minuscule amount could drug an entire congregation. In powder form, just a light dusting of the bread could do it.

@TalismanianDevil

20 күн бұрын

@@LongJourneys This documentary about Datura is excellent. kzread.info/dash/bejne/hqOFmrKQidHbYJc.html

@johnthomas8606

20 күн бұрын

In my many decades of experience, no one ever felt better after church. The TBMs that I know sleep their post-mtg Sundays away.

I think you should do a LOT more research and be able to prove this with contemporary documentation. This is a stake in the heart of Mormonism if you document this well.

16:28 *Wormwood wine?*

Magic Mushrooms fully ripen at fall equinox. The “secret grove” still produces them to this day. Joseph Smith made the annual trip for a reason in late September. 👁🏺📒🌞

I love this stuff so much

It's great to hear this viewpoint from people who have had related experiences. I listened to Bryce Blankenagel back when he was podcasting regularly and would get pretty irritated when he would constantly bring up the hallucinogens in early Mormonism. It seemed unjustified and weird. Then Cody Naconi's, et. al., paper on the topic was published. I had to write to Bryce and tell him that I went from being completely skeptical to completely convinced! Regarding the first vision, I think the first written version could very well have been _inspired_ by hallucinogenic experiences, but since it was reported very late and only when an origin story was needed, I believe it likely didn't actually happen at the time reported. Ditto the Moroni visits.

So interesting!

Great show!

Oregon had legalized psilocybin therapy, AND needs psilocybin therapy patients! I've done it! 💜

I wonder what the leaders of the church would think about this. Probably would deny it

Thanks!

@mormonishpodcast1036

20 күн бұрын

Thank you so much! We appreciate you and your support more than we can say!

I never used any kind of dope, but had 2 out of body we experiences (while doing Kundalini yoga) and once had an unseen entity chastise me. :.

It's 420 somewhere 😅

Great Podcast! Keep up the great work guys.... Was he saying Dotura or DoTerra as anointing oil

@alexcriddle7587

20 күн бұрын

Datura!

OMG BRIGHAM TEA!!! 😮😮😮

Isn't there a verse in Acts about rushing wind or whatever. I ran across it when we were reading ACTs. Rushing winds could be really scary to early Christians. Look it up: ACTs 2: 1-4

@alexcriddle7587

21 күн бұрын

Yeah! I talked briefly about it in the episode. That's probably where they got the terminology to describe it!

enjoying an "infused spirit" catching up on this one 🍻

RLDS: "Reefer-ormed Latter-day Saints?"

Rye, a common grain in Joe's time, went moldy and could cause hallucinations

@alexcriddle7587

20 күн бұрын

Ergot is definitely a possibility!

This is not surprising at all except, herbs are for man herbs are taken as tea. But herbs are okay but tea is not. It's such a confusing mess, the word of wisdom. This is so confusing and God is not a god of confusion. I think the wine has been around since Noah. No I made sure to bring seeds and vines for wine and grapes. Most important. God still loves Noah and calls him righteous. Great podcast and I believe they used psychedelics. Joseph hung out with the Indians and I'm sure he was exposed to many things.

@kingimatthews4481

18 күн бұрын

Like ive just stumbled into this room of incoherent forms of aliens sitting around a bar smoking DAK, an munching on a bag of magic mushrooms , waiting for the next Star Wars scene,

Voodoo donuts? Gross. Go to Blue Star. Much better donuts there.

Where's john delin? john delin must be in everything to do with Mormons lol 😆

@alexcriddle7587

21 күн бұрын

He was talked about in the pre-show! haha Just didn't make it into the actual episode.

Your comments about the latterday saint church is getting worse all the time and the slander shows a horrible picture of the type of person you are becomming