Ep171: We Gotta Have More Bell Tower: Debunking the Fairview Texas Bell Tower Precedent

On this episode of Mormonish Podcast, Rebecca and Landon are joined by Nemo the Mormon to discuss a hot button issue in the McKinney Texas Temple scenario, the United Methodist Church Bell Tower ordinance.
This issue is very easy to misunderstand so we take everyone carefully through the Fairview Town Council and Fairview Planning & Zoning Board meeting minutes step by step. Our hope to clarify the confusion and help everyone understand what actually happened with the United Methodist bell tower over the last 18 years.
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  • @CatskillsGrrl
    @CatskillsGrrl3 күн бұрын

    The church’s behavior throughout this whole thing has disgusted me.

  • @sjenson6694

    @sjenson6694

    12 сағат бұрын

    I mean it hasn't been any better outside of this mess either.. Their behavior since they first got formed by a serial liar and con man has been disgusting..

  • @annwood6812
    @annwood68122 күн бұрын

    I weep for a world in which we have to explain more cowbell. Thank you all for keeping up with this issue; it's surprisingly interesting.

  • @7892kirby
    @7892kirby3 күн бұрын

    Nemo and mormonish?! Can't wait!!! :)

  • @cel2651
    @cel26512 күн бұрын

    Nemo’s got all the things - intelligence, charm, charisma, sensitivity, perfect timing and the voice of an angel 👼

  • @robertgrey8648
    @robertgrey86482 күн бұрын

    Kudoz to Nemo, our hero :)! Happy to see him on Mormonish!

  • @grandmaroxie2210
    @grandmaroxie22103 күн бұрын

    This is so amazing. Just working with the town would be so perductive. They can make anything great! Why not????

  • @China-Clay
    @China-Clay2 күн бұрын

    I was taught to pick and choose my battles carefully, I guess the LDS church wasn’t the ones who taught me that

  • @sdfotodude
    @sdfotodude3 күн бұрын

    Nemo rocking the merch

  • @mae-qt8hw
    @mae-qt8hw3 күн бұрын

    The church must have an economic interest in fairfield i wonder if the church is some how connected to the huge private lake development thier

  • @pamelasailor7

    @pamelasailor7

    3 күн бұрын

    Fairview

  • @chandralaframboise963
    @chandralaframboise9632 күн бұрын

    Great episode, loving the collaboration with Nemo.

  • @rebeccabibliotheca

    @rebeccabibliotheca

    2 күн бұрын

    Thank you so much for your support! And agreed, Nemo is just the best!

  • @lieslthompsonjones9195
    @lieslthompsonjones91953 күн бұрын

    Love your shirt Nemo!

  • @whitcon5
    @whitcon52 күн бұрын

    I appreciate this in-depth coverage of a popular taking point. The non-existent bell tower has been a constant talking point for way too long!

  • @philclegg8169
    @philclegg81692 күн бұрын

    Thanks for a real debunking! Using documents and evidence. Ward Radio should watch as an example! 😏

  • @irishmclass2042
    @irishmclass20422 күн бұрын

    Ahhh, Nemo!! We all love Nemo!!

  • @mikeross6120
    @mikeross61202 күн бұрын

    The problem with moving this temple away from prosper TX to another town 30 minutes away is this. When rmn announced the temple location in gc, we members assumed that rmn et al had prayed or asked god if they should build in prosper or better, we assume they are receiving revelation from god as to where god wants his temples located. We also assume god cares where and who gets a temple, yes? I think this is fair to say. So are they prophets? Are they capable of hearing gods voice and divine decrees? Did rmn produce stern warnings that itbwill not be possible to survive in coming days if we cannot hear him? Yes he did that pre covid... and several times. He even produced 2 minute vignettes on how dire it was that we know how to clearly hear god speaking to us. Yet they appear to not notice that they themselves heard him incorrectly. They heard him say prosper TX as the location. Did they not? I mean if they didnt hear prosper TX, why did rmn declare it across all media in general conference? Do we not attend gc to hear the will and mind of the lord? We do. And that is the sticky wicket. Either god got the location wrong or rmn cannot hear him. Neither scenario is ideal for shoring up faith in this institution as being divinely guided by god himself. I'm a member in good standing and this really bothers me if I'm honest.

  • @cel2651
    @cel26512 күн бұрын

    Nemo !! ❤❤

  • @codyironworks307
    @codyironworks3072 күн бұрын

    Guess everyone should be sending emails to ol' rusty

  • @99blackbirds
    @99blackbirds3 күн бұрын

    So I'm an Active Mormon i love Joseph Smith and the book of Mormon but i agree with you guys on these issues! I do not like the "politics" of the LDS church! Anyone who is a true Christian knows "the Devil is inside the church"

  • @DRT279

    @DRT279

    3 күн бұрын

    Zoning and building codes aren’t politics. It’s life. Everyone who is in development has to deal with this. Some people don’t want a steeple and some people do. What do you do? Do you cave to those who don’t only because that’s their feeling? Or do you stand for what’s right (because they have made exceptions in the past?) Don’t fall for these clowns and their loud barking. Once the temple is approved they move on to something else to whine about.

  • @Fatfinger4378

    @Fatfinger4378

    2 күн бұрын

    @@DRT279 Exactly. Stand for what's right. Do as the prophets and apostles have said and appreciate temples for what they have and don't worry about what they don't. Stand for the Mesa temple and the Paris temple and all those without spires because they are no less important or meaningful than any others. As Bednar said, size doesn't matter and as Nelson said, the architecture doesn't matter. Stand for what's right! Believe the brethren when they say how important it is to work with localities on zoning issues and build temples everyone can appreciate. Stand for what's right and refuse to tell the lie that steeples and steeple height are crucial to temple worship!

  • @DRT279

    @DRT279

    2 күн бұрын

    @@Fatfinger4378 Oh you are such a gullible person. They got you with their propaganda.

  • @sjenson6694

    @sjenson6694

    12 сағат бұрын

    If you love Joseph Smith and haven't seen what a con game Mormonism is, all that tells the world is you've refused to pay attention or do any research into the history of what you pretend to believe in.

  • @robinnetto6794
    @robinnetto67943 күн бұрын

    The poem with hand movements children learn “ Here is a church Here is a Steeple Open the doors and see all the people Close the doors listen to them pray Open the doors and they all walk away.”😵‍💫

  • @CatskillsGrrl
    @CatskillsGrrl3 күн бұрын

    I’m already laughing.

  • @codyironworks307
    @codyironworks3072 күн бұрын

    In Cody they ( the city who knows who made the decision) allowed the LDS to cancel the pnz special meeting at the 11th hour the first meeting

  • @reneenolan3163
    @reneenolan31632 күн бұрын

    Great coverage and information!!!

  • @mormonishpodcast1036

    @mormonishpodcast1036

    Күн бұрын

    Glad you enjoyed it!

  • @amybaker1880
    @amybaker18802 күн бұрын

    2:10:09 And they don't care about the safety of the people on the road the temple would be.

  • @ruelynng59
    @ruelynng592 күн бұрын

    The Tampa Temple was moved from a residential-zoned area to a commercial zone. The Temple is smaller than Fairview. Why do they need to build such a large Temple?

  • @sjenson6694

    @sjenson6694

    12 сағат бұрын

    The bigger the temple the more tax free dollars they can launder to their family members for building it..

  • @IAmJustOneMom
    @IAmJustOneMom2 күн бұрын

    Well done.

  • @whitcon5
    @whitcon52 күн бұрын

    Generous estimate would be 15,000 members between five stakes in the district. But the Frisco Stake recently closed two wards and the Allen Stake (which includes the Fairview Ward) is hovering at 100 households per ward. And once a kid turns 18, they become their own household, regardless of whether they are away for school.

  • @whitesalamander
    @whitesalamander2 күн бұрын

    Great content and chemistry among you Three Nemo-items. You all make exmos proud with your “groundbreaking” Mormon Temple expositions that really “open house” how petty and pretentious Nelson the prophet is.

  • @ash1eygf
    @ash1eygf2 күн бұрын

    This was amazing!

  • @Gideonslc
    @Gideonslc2 күн бұрын

    Strictly from the perspective of being part of a small business lawsuit, I might get a request for information from my attorney, quickly respond, and they would wait to deliver that information until just ahead of a deadline. Lawyers stonewall for their side while being quick to make action on the part of the opposition sound urgent with delay being problematic.

  • @mtddmtdd1
    @mtddmtdd12 күн бұрын

    The Church has learned the same lesson that politicians have -- there is no such thing as bad news -- there is just news. This temple conflict gives them positive results where they want it and negative results where they could care less.

  • @IAmJustOneMom
    @IAmJustOneMom2 күн бұрын

    Come join us in TX. You will always have a place to stay with us.

  • @hollykowall5449
    @hollykowall5449Күн бұрын

    Please look into and update us on the Springfield, Missouri proposed temple as shared onGenerally Unquotable 6/26/24.

  • @user-eu8nm2dc1y
    @user-eu8nm2dc1yКүн бұрын

    Excellent

  • @janetbucknell592
    @janetbucknell5922 күн бұрын

    With respect to the perceived "unfairness" between the taller Methodist Bell Tower and shorter LDS spire/steeple and supposed controversy between what gets approved or not . . . at least a bell tower has a centuries-old religious tradition of tolling the bells to mark liturgical times. Of what practical purpose is a really tall spire? No interior rooms, no rituals held therein -- it's just a tall, empty thing of no religious purpose!! It is beyond absurd. Can a blind believer's sight be drawn upward? Is a Tokyo believer's sight drawn "heavenward" to the same place as a Fairview believer's? (NO -- their up is our down!!). It is simply, "our spire's taller than yours . . . our church can be seen for MILES around because of our spire . . . nah-nah-nuh-boo-boo!!!" Childish attitude. p.s. -- I LOVE Nemo: "I have nothing better to do than defend people when my church is behaving badly"!!! Still waiting in breathless anticipation to see what our judge says in Cody, WY!

  • @dygz

    @dygz

    2 күн бұрын

    OUR Temple can be seen as the highest structure from miles away - which proves we have are the One True Church.

  • @rebeccabibliotheca

    @rebeccabibliotheca

    2 күн бұрын

    Agree! And also waiting for Cody!

  • @rosemariebennett7213
    @rosemariebennett72133 күн бұрын

    When did this start ? Here now ..😊

  • @johnvanalstine9645
    @johnvanalstine96452 күн бұрын

    This is the one true Church? 🤦

  • @rtharalson
    @rtharalson2 күн бұрын

    1:34 right there - “no it was great” stop starting sentences no. Other phrases that are audible speed bumps are no yeah and yeah no and you know.

  • @ajadamsv9208
    @ajadamsv92082 күн бұрын

    14:50 Well you suggested that feelings aren’t reliable so does that include transgenderism? You all feel that transgenders aren’t ill with gender disforia. Be consistent or you aren’t a logical thinker!

  • @rebeccabibliotheca

    @rebeccabibliotheca

    2 күн бұрын

    Feelings are completely valid in many situations. However, feeling that you want a building built that doesn’t follow the codes and zoning ordinances doesn’t supersede the legal process.

  • @ajadamsv9208

    @ajadamsv9208

    2 күн бұрын

    @@rebeccabibliotheca I don’t disagree with you I’m just saying be consistent when stating that feelings aren’t relevant. I personally don’t think feelings should play a role in any of it, but I do want to see consistency in application. I generally enjoy your content.