Zo asked how for help to ask Nita out, not for personal information. Joke could have been a Psycho and Pat told him where he was and personal info. Zo also gave Joke the chance to tell him the truth multiple Times and he lied again and again. There is a massive difference between the two. The only info on Nita that Joke gave Zo was that she doesn't like Coffee and Zo still got her one because he wanted to try without help.

"at no point did Joke manipulate the situation" bestie did we watch the same episode? 😭

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ik this was a while ago buy he didn't actually manipulate anything at all, not once did he lie to him he also did help him learn to pursue someone

I kinda think the same way as you do, but on the other hand, I don't like when people hide things from me, especially if it's a close friend who hides something that it's related to me. So, in that matter, I would be annoyed too cause being in the dark about a topic would eventually make me distrust them.

Ok this is how I saw this argument, I think Zo felt betrayed because when he asked for Jokes help he genuinely thought ht had feelings for Nita. I think he has thought that Joke fell for him when they started hanging out, so to find out that the whole thing was a set up and Joke liked him before that he had no plans of really helping Zo. That the whole thing was a set up to make him like Joke. I don't know but I think that might be how Zo sees it, but I was with you I don't think Joke really did anything wrong

31:36 i also don't understand why hes so hurt i really dont think joke did anything wrong and zo was about to do the same thing with nita 😂

I kinda understand why zo feels betrayed after what happened to him in the past

I think the hardest thing to solve for couples are the things that one of them is the cause of rather than things that people around them are causing so I would rather see how they would act and try to understand and forgive each other in situations like this . I love watching ur reactions u always point out things that I didn’t catch 👌👌

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I'm not sure how I feel about this either! It seems like it's a case of the pot calling the kettle black... On the one hand, I do think that Joke took advatage of the situation by purposly creating moments for them to get closer, hoping it could lead to them dating at some point. But on the other hand it annoys me that Zo, as you said, is failing to realise that he did the exact same with Nita. So how is Joke's behavior any different or worse than what Zo himself did? But I am also now realising that Zo might be upset because Joke deliberatly used the whole rumour about him and Nita dating by actually having Pat put the idea in Zo's head that he could ask him for advise beacuse of that - that is both using a lie and manipulating. So in that sense, Joke did manipulate the situation - but it's not like Zo was tricked into a relationship, he realised "on his own" that his feelings for Nita were changing and that he was drawn to Joke instead. Also, Joke doing the whole bear costume dance was almost making a mockery and belittling of Zo's feelings! That's a deflective type of apology, you know like when people say "sorry you got hurt" instead of saying "sorry I hurt you" - in the first case it's not actually an apology were you take accountarbility for your actions, it's putting blame on the other part, making it sound like they're being too emotional and unreasonalble about the whole thing. It's the politicians way of apologyzing. Aghhh, I don't know !!!!??? - But when I look at my arguments it sounds like I am 75% on Zo's side with this. But tbh I think the confusion stems from the fact that they (once again) didn't really develop the plot or story, like why was Zo so upset? And that's the issue of the show: Most of it is brought up quick and resolved even quicker that it essentially doesn't makes much sense. The plots aren't connected to the actual storyline, so it all seems very scattered!

I get why pok is at a breaking point with his boyfriend

29:42 ok so here me out… but the point that you just made here… I think if Joke had said something along those lines it wouldn’t have been a big deal. I think the main issue is the fact that he never owned up to it. Don’t get me wrong, I agree it’s not as big of a deal as it’s being made out to be but given Zo’s previous with Puen I can understand him being overly sensitive to feeling like he has been manipulated. Also, as the episode went on I became increasingly frustrated with Joke and the fact that he wouldn’t just say sorry!! Regardless of whether he thought he was in the wrong or not he could clearly see Zo was hurt. Even after his lovely speech when he was talking to the flowers I was like “you still haven’t said sorry just tell him you’re sorry!!” 😂

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