Ep. 173 | Digital Clutter (with Cal Newport)

Joshua & Ryan talk about digital clutter, technological exhaustion, quitting social media, and overall online health with their friend Cal Newport, author of the new book Digital Minimalism. Watch “Maximal” episodes of The Minimalists Private Podcast exclusively at / theminimalists
Questions answered in this episode:
How do I overcome the guilt I feel when I unfollow friends and family on social media? (1:33)
How can my company or brand remain relevant without a constant media presence? (23:06)
How do I keep up with work without drowning in information? (26:40)
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  • @Merryyy203
    @Merryyy2033 жыл бұрын

    This is how much Cal spoke: 3:48 - 4:17 (29 s) 4:34 - 5:53 (1:19) 6:39 - 7:48 (1:09) 9:14 - 9:40 (36 s) 9:51 - 10:31 (40 s) 11:29 - 12:19 (50 s) 12:59 - 14:14 (1:15) 21:05 - 21:20 (15 s) 22:08 - 22:37 (29 s) 25:09 - 26:00 (51 s) 26:04 - 26:18 (12 s) 27:32 - 28:40 (1:08) If I did the math right, he didn't reach 10 minutes. Video length: 35:20 min.

  • @OK-Computer

    @OK-Computer

    11 ай бұрын

    lol, exactly. I was thinking about the same thing. So much for „minimalism“.

  • @anelenunwana7084
    @anelenunwana70843 жыл бұрын

    I would have loved to hear more from Cal

  • @Merryyy203

    @Merryyy203

    3 жыл бұрын

    Hahaha. I thought the same.

  • @JeremyMattingly

    @JeremyMattingly

    2 жыл бұрын

    If you want to hear more from Cal Newport and how all of his work ties together, I recommend this interview: kzread.info/dash/bejne/hIN_s6qLlsuYnaQ.html

  • @martinarmbrust3678
    @martinarmbrust36785 жыл бұрын

    I really enjoy listening to Cal... What an interesting and intelligent guy. This conversation was very useful.

  • @26laf
    @26laf5 жыл бұрын

    Real friends don't care if you follow them or not - that's so true.

  • @talkativetech
    @talkativetech5 жыл бұрын

    I love minimalism and your movie/podcasts helped my life. Thank you guys so much.

  • @nicholem6193
    @nicholem61935 жыл бұрын

    That was absolutely awesome, and that exciting moment when someone articulates so perfectly what I feel but can't quite explain. Especially the description of facebook interaction! Well done.

  • @dewi9611
    @dewi96115 жыл бұрын

    I watched his Ted Talk long time ago on my journey to quit social media.

  • @jasonshields9501
    @jasonshields95012 жыл бұрын

    I'm absolutely in love with Mr. Cal...total bromance though. Seriously though, you three have changed my life through your work. I watch your documentary every now and then to remind myself to keep it simple. Freeing myself of clutter and distractions has helped me gain my self-confidence and worth back. For the first time in years, I am looking forward to sharing my life with that special someone and I hope he is a clone of Ryan or Cal lol! I'd take one of Joshua too...hehehe. Thanks for everything you have done and continue to do!

  • @SamDowdenmusic
    @SamDowdenmusic5 жыл бұрын

    I've just bought 'digital minimalism' on audible. Looking forward to hearing that. Great podcast guys!

  • @AprilDalaman
    @AprilDalaman5 жыл бұрын

    I like the mute button, especially on Instagram. That way you can follow people and message them back and forth when you want to talk to friends but you aren’t forced to see all the staged photos and stories. That way you don’t have to unfollow and hurt anyone’s feelings, but you can still protect your own mental health. That’s another reason why I enjoy Twitter because it feels more like talking to friends about things you enjoy or feel are important to share and reading people’s post that add value to your life instead of showing off photos to brag. I only have Twitter & a small private IG instead of adding on FB, Snapchat, Tumblr, etc. That’s another way I try to keep it minimal. :)

  • @Mellybeans0919
    @Mellybeans09195 жыл бұрын

    Fantastic podcast.

  • @j.d.5709
    @j.d.57095 жыл бұрын

    11:29 segment is pure gold.

  • @elisazouza
    @elisazouza3 жыл бұрын

    my favourite podcast!!!

  • @jzen1455
    @jzen14553 жыл бұрын

    My internet addiction has ramped up during the covid pandemic. Somedays I spend 14 hrs mindlessly surfing the internet researching whatever strikes my fancy. The addiction intensity waxes and wanes, but today it feels really bad; it feels like my ass is glued to the sofa and stepping away feels nearly impossible. I'm seriously considering getting rid of my laptop and using my tiny iPhone SE as my main internet device., which I find much less engaging than my laptop. I'm hoping the void from not being able to get my laptop dopamine fix will compel me to do many things I've been putting off because of the pull of the internet vortex.

  • @1snee
    @1snee5 жыл бұрын

    The book is on its way since signing up to facebook in 2009 i became more unsocial more isolated and more socially anxious ! Over it thanks cal !

  • @janethockey9070

    @janethockey9070

    5 жыл бұрын

    tysshodge85 Get rid of it

  • @kellyshpeley
    @kellyshpeley2 жыл бұрын

    I collect horrendous memes and can’t stop. Literally more memes than family photos. It’s an affliction.

  • @lifelonglearner1863
    @lifelonglearner18632 жыл бұрын

    thanks for this episode.

  • @veronicasharp7085
    @veronicasharp70854 жыл бұрын

    Thank you so much for this video. I needed it. I have an addiction and very true, people have replace human interaction with a LIKE!! I am not built that way. I am making the decision today to make a change and make it for a long time. I have social media addition and is making me depressed. Like he said we had a freaking kid with a hood change our whole life and not knowing that for centuries and decades we were just find not knowing what the F other people where doing. I am scare because of my type of work, but in order to make things happen, change has to happen.

  • @reneerenee1783
    @reneerenee17835 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for this. I was hoping you two would collab with Cal :)

  • @peachesandpoets
    @peachesandpoets2 жыл бұрын

    GOOD TIP FOR WOMEN'S PRODUCTS. Shelters love things like lotions and body washes and things like that. Don't just donate them in the bins, directly donate to a shelter! 🙏🏾

  • @talkativetech
    @talkativetech5 жыл бұрын

    Right now, I'm trying my best not to allow my phone control my life. I'm thinking about purchasing a old iPod classic just for music. After that I'd be okay leaving my phone at home.

  • @timljhcm

    @timljhcm

    5 жыл бұрын

    Talkative Tech I love my old iPod classic. It’s great that it’s not connected to the internet. I don’t get constant annoying interrupting notifications! I just hear the music, bliss.

  • @Merryyy203

    @Merryyy203

    3 жыл бұрын

    I did that back in 2019. My iPhone's battery was acting up so I started using the iPod Touch. I often felt the urge to check something but without WiFi you just can't. It was nice to go outside and not worry about being called or texted. The only thing I didn't like was not being able to take pictures with a good camera. Last year I got a new phone so it all went down the toilet but in November I deleted my social media accounts (now I only have one Fb account that I use for groups to ask questions) and I do not even feel like taking pictures anymore. If I like something I'd rather enjoy it that way. I will once in a while send a picture to someone on Telegram to share it with them but that is it.

  • @magleeventures2246
    @magleeventures22465 жыл бұрын

    Thank you so much for the immense value in the video! We are trying to be more conscious of our social media use! (Including both the good and bad of car camping and roadtripping) thanks again!

  • @anadampling666
    @anadampling6665 жыл бұрын

    I love Cal books

  • @madeleinepousar
    @madeleinepousar5 жыл бұрын

    I really agree with that we as humans are designed to be interacting in real life to get authentic connections. When one of my friends gave birth to a beautiful baby daughter I wasnt able to see my friend because she doesnt live close to me. I didnt want to call her beeing busy with her new familiy or just send her a text. I wanted to do something special so I sent her flowers with a few kind words written on a card. She got the flowers next day and she told me she started crying because she was so happy I took the time to pick flowers and pick the words just for her and her family. Her words about the flowers ment so much to me. More than any like or comment on instagram ever could.

  • @jsupp13

    @jsupp13

    3 жыл бұрын

    You had a guest who is an expert on this subject and you gave him approximately five minutes of time. Why?

  • @MagisterialVoyager
    @MagisterialVoyager5 жыл бұрын

    I signed up for Facebook sometime in 2009-2010. I used it until the end of 2010. Then I used it again for the entirety of 2012. Then I don't use it anymore except for opening a specific page because I have project in that page of Facebook. I only ever opened the Home/Feed page of Facebook on the first year I used Facebook. It created so much drama considering I was only a high school student then. Some good things happened, indeed, but I feel like the clutter the social media made is terribly unnecessary for my life. Now I can say it's almost a decade since I used social media the way people usually use it (open, check statistic, look at feed, etc.) and it's quite a solitude life. I catch up with my friends when I meet them. They always know something I don't, but then they'll tell me what is it and they got to enjoy my response to whatever is currently hot right now. I do think that so many of people's mental health being damaged by using social media, but I can't exactly stop people to use them, even if I know it's harmful for them. This is an interesting video. I just wish that more people either have the ability to utilise social media properly or just stop using it entirely if they no longer had control and or use over it.

  • @Bestbuddybob
    @Bestbuddybob5 жыл бұрын

    my name is Bob and I have an addiction. For me I have had to stop because of the twitch and the anxiety the social media gives me. If I post I am then constantly checking for replys and it's ashame because some times I really want to put out be that a quote or a picture. But the twitch and anxiety gets far to much so I am 22 days clean.

  • @reneerenee1783

    @reneerenee1783

    5 жыл бұрын

    You can do this. ❤️

  • @reneerenee1783

    @reneerenee1783

    5 жыл бұрын

    I relate to what you say so much.

  • @janethockey9070

    @janethockey9070

    5 жыл бұрын

    Just delete

  • @JoanneWhitlock
    @JoanneWhitlock2 жыл бұрын

    I’m just sorting out digital/IT stuff. It has grown in such an ad hoc way as I try new stuff and figure out what works for me. I feel like a system can’t be set up in advance but only in hindsight. Hoping, and doing some research now, to have something set up as I guess at future needs and thoughts about where the tech will go. Feel like I am needing to learn another language to understand it all!

  • @stuckcontactor5826
    @stuckcontactor58265 жыл бұрын

    Whemever i leave the phone at the house and explore. I feel like the Omega Man.

  • @artistdanielquinones
    @artistdanielquinones4 жыл бұрын

    Hey guys just tumbled onto this from getting Cal Newports book. Would love to discuss how minimalism helps artist. Long story short my wife and I help inner city youth with strength identity with in the arts as she and I are artist and have done missions work and we feel identity is blurred with the consumption of social media. Any how dont want this getting real long hit me up if your interested.

  • @jackdavis7438
    @jackdavis74385 жыл бұрын

    The irony is that i had this playing in the background as i scrolled through Facebook. I hardly payed attention. Yikes

  • @declutteringdiaries4595

    @declutteringdiaries4595

    3 жыл бұрын

    :( felt this

  • @keylalipo7778
    @keylalipo77785 жыл бұрын

    I recently decided to take action on simplifying and as a result have ruthlessly minimized my IG account. Although I do plan to delete it altogether soon. My only hold back is it has been a nice tool to stay in touch with friends and relatives that live in other states.

  • @fpl_bailey

    @fpl_bailey

    5 жыл бұрын

    then keep it, you don't have to post on it everyday or go on it everyday. It seems like you still receive value from it by contacting friends and relatives.

  • @aiquesono

    @aiquesono

    5 жыл бұрын

    hmm...why don't add them on whatsapp?

  • @talkativetech
    @talkativetech5 жыл бұрын

    I ended up deleting all social media. Also organize my email, delete apps I'm not using, installed Linux which is a light weight operating system.

  • @Trunk874

    @Trunk874

    4 жыл бұрын

    Talkative Tech how was the move to Linux? I’d like to use Mac for development work and windows but Linux for personal

  • @kirsten121
    @kirsten1215 жыл бұрын

    But how am I meant to stalk a guy if he has no social media?! Or should I take it as a sign he's a spy? Seriously though, I just deleted some of my more, eh, misguided musical downloads. Now my MP3 is all killer; no filler. Love you guys!

  • @kailebrogan447
    @kailebrogan4474 жыл бұрын

    I deleted two of my Instagram accounts and now have one specific to minimalism. I already feel 100 times better

  • @kailebrogan447

    @kailebrogan447

    4 жыл бұрын

    I also shut down my Facebook accounts.

  • @aureliamandel5893
    @aureliamandel58935 жыл бұрын

    💛

  • @elisazouza
    @elisazouza3 жыл бұрын

    14:50 this is how i feel and people think im crazy ahahha like dude i can talk to you in person lmao

  • @mjh1750
    @mjh17505 жыл бұрын

    ❤️

  • @novicetheaf
    @novicetheaf5 жыл бұрын

    Even when my friend buy's a new phone I feel a part of me is tempted to buy a new phone too, I think it's the comparison too, just on a smaller scale. Once my phone is working fine though I won't upgrade, trying not to keep up with technology anymore, especially when most phone for 150 Euro are plenty good, but yeah 😂

  • @Csb1289
    @Csb12895 жыл бұрын

    I realized I'm basically holding onto my Facebook account right now as a digital photo album. I don't want to take up space on my computer and every once in a while I want to see how some distant relative is doing yet I don't really wanna talk to them. But that says more than I thought. Might be deleting it altogether soon, thanks for the push!

  • @IH_Lee
    @IH_Lee5 жыл бұрын

    I didn't LIKE this video cuz it's almost an insult. Kidding. I stopped logging in my FB and Instagram 2 months ago. It didn't change a lot in my life but now I have more time to do other meaningful things like watching this video clip. Haha. And I got the idea from this clip of unfollowing or unfriending everyone and starting following again from the scratch only people I like to hear from and people who care about me so want to follow me again. I love this clip and really want to read the book Digital Minimalism, but I'm Korean and I think it's not translated in Korean yet. I hope it's published in Korean soon. Thank you for this great episode.

  • @just.donutssss
    @just.donutssss5 жыл бұрын

    I thought you were going to say “cult” at 17:47 😂 My mind is dark i know

  • @cristinatheonelove
    @cristinatheonelove5 жыл бұрын

    Thank you

  • @AntonioCarlosHeinenZardin
    @AntonioCarlosHeinenZardin4 жыл бұрын

    I really liked. Should I give thumbs up to this video or not? I'm confused :p

  • @anadampling666
    @anadampling6665 жыл бұрын

    Is the episod on patroen already?

  • @dkbegue
    @dkbegue4 жыл бұрын

    Huge take away don't remove something without replacing it with something that brings joy and purpose

  • @gainde1137
    @gainde11375 жыл бұрын

    Beat the algorythms!

  • @EmeliaSings
    @EmeliaSings5 жыл бұрын

    Please for anyone reading this, don't just throw away to achieve a more minimalistic home, do think of the environment. Do try to use up as long as something is still good to use. Do try to give away to someone who can use what you're thinking about getting rid of. Just throwing perfectly good skincare/makeup/bathroom products away is SUCH a waste. And if you stick with your products, trying to use them up BEFORE purchasing something new, you'll be less likely to buy multiple in the future, cause you will know how long it will take to use something up. The environment thanks you!

  • @imanabdalla3997
    @imanabdalla39973 жыл бұрын

    Useful information indeed, but you still have social media links in your description. 🤣 But, I feel like cal could have spoken a little more.

  • @janethockey9070
    @janethockey90705 жыл бұрын

    Got rid of social media

  • @PixelPioneer176
    @PixelPioneer1768 ай бұрын

    You're reading quality content. A related book could be a great supplement if you're keen. "A Life Unplugged: Reclaiming Reality in a Digital Age" by Theodore Blaze

  • @1snee
    @1snee5 жыл бұрын

    Guys check out on youtube short film social media addiction "percentage of life " unreal

  • @tomcockcroft9394
    @tomcockcroft93943 жыл бұрын

    What are his thoughts on Netflix?

  • @yseultCH
    @yseultCH5 жыл бұрын

    I am truly touched by this and by all three of your paths and work and have been for years now, but you are missing something every strong, simply because you haven't had an experience of it yourself: Facebook Groups. Now, it might be niche, it might be special to women, but the links found and shared in a common experience through the simplicity of a Facebook group realises itself completely outside of the simple setting of 'ads or consumption' that you are drawing up for the use of Social Media. There IS a bit more nuance to this and I would actually like to have a sociologist start looking into FB, Twitter, Instagram as a community building force when used intentionally and with discernment.

  • @SamuelKelemenC
    @SamuelKelemenC5 жыл бұрын

    Donald Knuth....?

  • @evanoshea9506
    @evanoshea95063 жыл бұрын

    Great interview, but i think you should sit at the same side of table and have the guest across so he isn't playing tennis with his eyes. It's pretty distracting to watch

  • @ichoosejoy2712
    @ichoosejoy27122 жыл бұрын

    Just an observation but Cal seemed so insecure and uncomfortable. Other interviews he has done, like the Rich Roll podcast for example, he was so much more confident and talkative.

  • @TheHannahbarker
    @TheHannahbarker5 жыл бұрын

    Ahhhhhh I need to delete facebook. 😣