280 AI is a really interesting cartridge and might be a lot more popular if there was plenty of ammo. It definitely has my interest 👍

@uriahkerry7254

2 ай бұрын

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@trevorRTK74

2 ай бұрын

If 280ai had the support of some of the newer cartridges we probably wouldn't have a lot of the newer cartridges. It's the do all 7mm!

I've wanted a 280 AI ever since I read an article by Ron Spomer several years ago about his experience with the 280 AI. Then along comes the 7 PRC. Decisions decisions. That decision was made when a gentleman I work with had some Nosler brass and Redding 280 AI dies for sale. The barrel and action are currently at the gunsmith getting worked and should be in my hands within the month. Can't wait. Thank you for all the content. Very interesting.

@michaeltosser7363

2 ай бұрын

Keep in mind, too, that Hornady's own posted velocities for 162gr 280AI load and 160gr 7PRC ae separated in velocity by a whopping 150fps. If you get the throat cut long on your Ackley, you can stuff a little more powder in while keeping the pressures at safe levels, and -easily- nudge that 150fps velocity.

👍 The Blessing Of Remington Nutering The 280 Is That It Created The 280 AI - One Of The Very Best Cartridges For Hunting Elk In The Rocky Mountain West! It Deserves To Be More Popular! 🤑

@Matt-en1kn

2 ай бұрын

Well we agree again lol I had a 280 Remington awesome cartridge I like it better than the 270 or the 30/06 don't really have experience with the 280 ai

@ronlowney4700

2 ай бұрын

I Like All Three Alot!@@Matt-en1kn

I bought a used 700 ADL back in 1982. It is marked 7mm Express. The 280 has always been my favorite cartridge since 8th grade in 1972.

@ricktaylor3748

Ай бұрын

It's worth a lot more than you paid for it. Some are marked 7mm- o6.

I love my 280AI!

definitley need more various loads from hornady with the 280 ackley. SST and interlock loadings would be awesome to have

I am a 280 rem shooter. I have 2 280 rem rifles. But my new rifle came in. A Browning Xbolt Speed Long Range 280AI. The barrel is 26 inch 1@8 barrel. I'm planning on trying some Hornady 162 gr eld x ammo. Also, picking up some 162 175 and 180 gr eld bullets. Great show. Please do more on 280AI shows.

LOVE the .280 Ackley! Best all around cartridge made.

The 280 was loaded down from the beginning due to the weaker action of the semi auto and the pump actions of its time. When it was first introduced in a bolt gun, the factory loads were still downloaded due to the many weaker semi and pump guns on the market. My first "high power" rifle was a Browning A Bolt in 280 Remington in the mid 80's. Handloading really makes this round shine. It still serves me well to this day.

Another great video in this series. Love getting the perspective of the people in the business who are truly in the know. It's starting to become a "when Hornady speaks, everyone listens".

Great pod cast! The 7mm is in my heart! I have a 7mm-08, .280, 280Ai, and two 7mags! But my favorite is the .280Ai! I agree it is magical and looks so cool! I’m shooting a 26” barrel and have 7mm Mag velocities! Of course I’m a hand loader of 47 years so, I love to work up loads that are accurate and fast! Keep up the great work at Hornady, love your bullets!

Sounds like Ackley was ahead of his time. His head spacing and cartridge profile looks like the new prc cartridges. Which prc line is a breath of fresh air.

Just picked up a NIB Ruger M77 Hawkeye African in .280 AI 1 of 250 made in 2020 along with 2 boxes of Hornady Precision Hunter 162 Grain ELDX. Got her scoped up and can't wait to get out to the range to sight her in!

Own multiple 280 Remingtons and other cartridges as well. But I always find myself grabbing the 280 for everything

I am running the 175 ELD-X in my 280 AI. Using 4831 SC it is moving 2855fps in a 24” barrel, 1-8 twist. Great shooter.

@user-se8ds5ev5k

2 ай бұрын

You'd do better velocity wise to get a good 7mm magnum and then download it to any velocity that you want, including the 175 grain nosler partition or the long range accubond for elk and such.

My grandfather, a gunsmith, left me a Remington 742 in 7mm Express. I was totally unfamiliar with that cartridge or 7mm bullets in general. Once I started researching it and found that 280 ammo was available, I feel in love with the 7mm in general. Needed a bolt gun for hunting in PA, so I got a 7mm-08. Eventually got a 7RM and then did my first customer in a 7mm Sherman Short. needed a lightweight rifle for Western hunting, got a 280AI in an ultralite. Convinced myself I needed a 7PRC. I still haven't shot that one, but I do love my 7's.

🕵️‍♂️ The Lesson That The 280 Remington Taught Us Is Design The Gun Around The Cartridge And Don't Neuter The Cartridge To Promote A Specific Model Of Gun!

@redrock425

2 ай бұрын

Exactly this.

The 280 is an incredible cartridge that will always be a sentimental favorite. I killed my first mulie buck, pronghorn buck, and cow elk using my uncle’s model 700 in 280 shooting 140 Partitions. Of course, as a western hunter, whose favorite big game animal is mule deer, I’ve played with having a 280 AI built so I could shoot quality 140 bullets on mulie hunts. Thanks for a great video.

I had a 280 Remington for years. It was a Winchester Featherlite. I live and hunt in Idaho. My 280 Rem took many deer both mule deer and whitetails, as well as a few elk. I reload and using 168gr Barnes TSX and TTSX bullets, I was able to get low 7 Rem Mag velocities safely. As I've aged and with two shoulder replacements, I had to stop using my magnums and my heavy loads in my 45-70. To continue elk hunting, I chose a Kimber Hunter in 280AI with a muzzle brake and good recoil pad, I was able to continue hunting elk. The fact that it is only 5-4 lbs naked allows me to hunt all day. Using Barnes 168gr TTSX and Hornady 150gr CX bullets, I get 7 Rem Mag velocities with much reduced recoil. The 280AI can take anything in North America except for the big bears. You guys at Hornady always do a great job with your videos. Just a request, could you guys make a 168gr CX bullet in 7mm?

Love my 280 AI’s. Big fan of all 7mm’s. Currently have a 7mm-08, 7x57, 7 SAUM, 280 REM, 3- 280 AI’s, 7 REM Mag, 7 RUM and 7 PRC. Out of all of the 7’s I own, I am partial to my 280 AI’s and my 7 SAUM. Running 168 and 175 gr bullets they have accounted for several Mule Deer, Whitetail, Antelope, Bear and an Elk at ranges from 60 yards to 525. I’ve been shooting 280 AI for 18 years and have been happy to see it pick up a following over the years and even a few factory rifles and factory ammo offerings that have brought more people to the table on a great cartridge!

Deming's folks should use 280 Rem original story as a "How-Not-To" primer. Great to hear the 280 Ackley is a good feeder.

I admire y'all for shooting it straight on the ole 280ai. My mind was set on it before the 7prc. Now I probably will end up with both lol

Similar to your experience with RL-26, I found peak performance in 280 AI with VV-N560 and 162gr. ELD-X. I run 150gr. monolithic bullets at 3k fps for hunting and it’s amazing for both timber and open country. I’m just beginning the journey with 7PRC but 280AI will be hard to unseat as my do-it-all cartridge.

The 280 Remington was my first hi-power rifle. Today, I have several, some no longer made. I also got a7mag, because everybody needs one of them.

The 280 AI is rated at 65,000 psi (transducer) in the current SAAMI tables vs 60,000 for the non-AI version. This could make a little more boost in factory ammo. In the F-Class world, the 7mm-6.5PRC wildcat which has very similar performance to the 280AI has been popular for a few years. This wildcat came out before the SAAMI version 7mm PRC was announced and had been called the 7PRC, causing some confusion. Eric Cortina has popularized that cartridge with reamers developed by Alex Wheeler of Wheeler Engineering and calls it the 7PRCW ("W" for Wheeler).

Hornady has extended my appreciation of the 280 AI with the 162 ELDX and my favorite the 160 CX. Your pod cast was very enjoyable in its scope. I have enjoyed shooting many different cartridges for many years, and the 280 AI is my favorite. The 7mm PRC is impressive also. Since I hand load only, I hope to see more brass availability from Hornady for the 280 AI and the 7mm PRC.

PO Ackley created cartridges with only a tiny expansion in powder capacity. The gain in performance came in loading to higher pressures than the parent cartridges.

280 REM is my go to deer/bear rifle. My most forgiving load is 162 ELDX @ 2,750fps out of a 20" barrel.

My 24” 280ai pushes 162eldx @2960fps with h4831sc.

Great podcast and absolutely love cartridge talks

@hornady

2 ай бұрын

Thanks so much!

I was just headed down the path of building a 280AI and then the 7 PRC was introduced. So I built the latter.

Need more standard 280 loads from Hornady 150 grain ELDX shoots great from my Montana rifle company gun

My current firearm project is a 280 Remington. The 280 Remington is a fine cartridge.

I have a Kimber hunter in 280AI. Just wanted one. Already have everything covered: 25-06 for medium game and 30-338 WM for larger game. I guess the Kimber would be my sheep/back country rifle, but too old and fat for that anymore. Good podcast. Thanks for the content.

I bought my .280 back in 1998. Still shot it, my very first hunting rifle. Nothing like the thud in the woods from my .280rem! I miss the 139 SST Hornady bullet can on get the on reload now.

Both are extremely underrated cartridges.

Perfect, thinking bout building a gun in this caliber. Very timely

Seth, history bro: Remington's Model 725 rifle was a short-lived bolt-action design offered from 1958 to 1961. About 16,635 were manufactured in .222 Rem., .243 Win., .244 Rem., .270 Win., 280 Rem., and .30-'06 chamberings. The majority of the rifles made were in .30-'06 caliber.

Pump rifles are so underrated easier for a whole family to use when some of the shooters are left-handed

I purchased a bergara 7 PRC last summer with a 24-in barrel. Not getting anywhere near the velocities as advertised on the factory ammo. So I can't say I love it yet. I need to experiment with some hand loading.

Didn’t the 280 rem get limited like the 284 win did because of its initial loading was made basically for the pump and semi automatic rifles thus requiring a lower pressure load? That cost the 280 dearly just like the 284 win.

I've taken more deer with a Remington 700 MTN .280 Rem than any other rifle. At the time I purchased the rifle as a teenager, I wanted a rifle with less recoil than a 30-06, and heavier bullet options than the .270 Win.

I was loading up some 280 brass to fire form to 280AI. I was shocked how much room in the case was left was unused by a max 280 load of powder.

.280AI is a very efficient, low recoiling, shoots different bullet weights, and has impressive ballistics. 4350 and 4831 accurate powders with .280AI but RL22, 23, and 26 bring the velocity.

Get a 280AI with a 1:8 twist and don't look back!!!! 😁😁😁

The 280ai is my favourite cartridge hands down, I would be happy to take it hunting anything. I am considering building a long range target rifle in 280ai. Lol I am a huge fanboy of the 280ai mine has a 1:8.5 twist and can handle almost any weight of bullet.

👨‍🏫 Though Not Complete, Here Is a "Sufficient 0.277 Bullet List" (in 5 grain Increments) to Back Up My Claims That The 270 Caliber Has A Better "Hunting Bullet" (Bonded and Monolithic Solid) Availability Than Either the 7mm Caliber or 6.5 Caliber, With More High B.C. "Hunting Bullets" of This Construction: 1.) 80 grains (G.S. Custom) = B.C. of 0.260 2.) 85 grains (Nosler E-Tip) = B.C. of 0.273 3.) 90 grains (Speer Bonded Gold Dot) = B.C. of 0.253 4.) 95 grains (Barnes TAC-TX) = B.C. of 0.292 5.) 100 grains (Nosler E-Tip) = B.C. of 0.327 6.) 105 grains (Cavity Beck MKZ) = B.C. of 0.325 7.) 110 grains (Barnes TTSX) = B.C. of 0.377 8.) 115 grains (Speer Bonded Gold Dot) = B.C. of 0.401 9.) 120 grains (Cavity Beck MKZ) = B.C. of 0.365 10.) 125 grains (Cutting Edge) = B.C. of 0.465 11.) 130 grains (128 grain Badlands Bulldozer-2) = B.C. of 0.531 12.) 135 Grains (Lost River J-36 Bullet) = B.C. of 0.649 13.) 140 grains (Badlands Bulldozer-2) = B.C. of 0.650 14.) 145 grains (Cutting Edge) = B.C. of 0.495 15.) 150 grains (Badlands Bulldozer-2) = B.C. of 0.710 16.) 155 grains (Federal Terminal Ascent) = B.C. of 0.585 (Note: Federal Has Mistakenly Listed the 7mm Bullet of Similar Length Higher, Which Can't Be True) 17.) 160 grains = 162 grain Hammer Hunter Copper Soild = B.C. of 0.274 (Could Be Significantly Improved) 18.) 165 grains (Nosler ABLR) = B.C. of 0.620 19.) 170 grains = None Found Yet (Here is an Opportunity For Someone to Fill in the Gap) 20.) 175 grains = None Found Yet (Here is an Opportunity Someone to Fill in the Gap) 21.) 180 grain (Woodleigh Weldcore) = B.C. of 513

When are we gonna get a switch barrel podcast? Would love to know the best style and how to build a 6.5 CM/7PRC

Great work, thanks boys. Have you done a talk on the 338 RUM ?

@hornady

2 ай бұрын

Not yet!

Good show guys. I reload a 280 Rem in a Mauser bolt Rifle and love the bullet selection over 270 Win. To me there is no doubt 280 is better. 280 Rem is enough for me and easier to make or find brass than the 280 AI. I’ve settled on 175gr bullets for Moose and they can work good on deer too. No such thing as over penetration, that just gives you 2 bleed holes.

I’ve been saying the caliber that I want that Hornady has not provided as a 7 mm bullet and the 65 PRC case. I have no need or desire for a magnum, but would like a better short action that’s modern running the same speed as a Ackley improved then someone told me about the 284 Winchester, which seems like a really cool cartridge. That’s pretty well dead.

Great video. You said at 6:05 that they chambered it in the Winchester 760 pump. I think it was the Remington 760 pump.

I have had one in 280 since 1982 love it the bullet coefficient or the 7 mm is fabulous start out with 30/06 a buddy of mine so you should try to 280 had never heard of it, but I bought one because it was on sale and I love it

I have 280 Remington, aka 7mm express. I was surprised how flat it shoots

The 280 Remington Model 700 was my first Big game rifle, in 1972. I ran into some shooters who suggested I have it rechambered to the 280 P.O Ackley Imp. I've taken Antelope, Mulies, and Elk in Colorado with it. I love it. When I bought my die set from Redding they requested 3 new fire-formed cases to confirm my chamber dimensions to match up their part number for the dies. Question: When the SAAMI 280 AI came out I was told never to shoot it in the PO Chamber. I was told they do not have the same dimensions. Do you know if I was misled, or bad information?

Would love to hear a comparison of the 280 Remington and 284 Winchester.

Love my 280 ai. I got rid of my 25-06’s, to me it doesn’t do anything a 6.5 creed or 7mm-08 won’t do with a short action and shorter barrels.

When you buy a 7mm Remington magnum you can download the damn thing to the 280 Remington, or anything in between. My old BDL made in 75 is currently loaded with the Hornady 139 gr. Interlocks at a muzzle velocity of 3140. My experience using this load is one of a good 280, doesn't kick like a shave tail mule. It pokes a quarter size hole on the ribcage exit wound, and they don't take another step. I like my 280, even though it's actually a downloaded 7mm. Remington magnum.

I think my dad always said the 280 failed because it was released with a 140gr instead of a 150gr so it really didn’t do anything the 270 didn’t do with a 130gr.

Technically, the Saami approved 280ai is not the version PO Ackley originally designed it as.

This'll probably be overlooked, but at release the 280 was down-loaded (like Seth said) because of the platforms it was chambered in. When it was renamed, they bumped those loads up to what they are now, or so Remington claimed. Also, weight-for-weight, it depends on the bullets when determining which has a higher BC.* For instance, the 140gr .284 Nosler Accubonds and Ballistic Tips have a BC of .485, but the .277 ones are at .460 G1. However, the 150gr .277 versions of the same bullets have a very slight edge over the .284 versions (from Nosler 9). In Hornady offerings, the .277 140gr SST has a G1 of .495, and the .284 139gr SST has a BC of .486. The .277 and .284 Interbond and SST has the exact same BC of .525. For the ELD-X, the .277 145gr option has a G7 of, ironically, .270, which is less than a 150gr ELD-X in .284 at .289 (from Hornady 11). *TLDR; It just depends.

@chipsterb4946

2 ай бұрын

And you have to ask yourself does it make enough difference to make a difference? 7 thousandths of an inch just isn’t much.

@noahhorinek

2 ай бұрын

@@chipsterb4946 it is when the heaviest .277 bullet until a few years ago was a 160gr semi spitzer. 7mm has always had better designs and weights

@chipsterb4946

2 ай бұрын

@@noahhorinek historically 7mm has had better bullet choices, but the differences you pointed out aren’t significant to me at 300 yards and in. Barnes makes a 155 grain .277 bullet with a G1 BC of 0.540 - that’s sweet! Except you need a 1:8 twist rate.

Hopefully you guys will keep loading for the 280 ai

Love my Remington 700 bdl 7mm remington express

Joe - Any chance of getting your chamber/throat/leade specs? I've been considering having a .280AI (1:8) built, but want the PRC-type chamber specs. Thanks.

You guys said years ago it would be temporary the plain brass case on critical defence, stop skimping and put the plate back.

Back when the 280 Remington came out I don’t think too many people were making 400 or 500 yard shots, I think a lot more hunters gravitated towards lever action and semi automatic rifles, I think had to load the ammo a little lower pressure for those rifles and I think that hurt it.

@jfess1911

2 ай бұрын

The 280 Rem has the same SAAMI max pressure of 60,000psi (transducer) as the 30-06, so it can be used in any rifle designed for the 30-06. The 270 Win, like the 280AI are allowed 5,000 psi more. I noticed that tha Remington's semi-auto 740 and 742 were chambered in 30-06 and 280 but not 270, but I don't know if it was just marketing or whether they were not designed for the slightly higher chamber pressures. A newer model, the 7400 came out in 1981 and could be chambered in 270.

I put a .280 ai together for my Father in law, blueprinted 700 action, criterion Remage barrel in a magpul hunter stock. It’s a shooter, his best group 5 shots at 500 yards 1.5 inches! I believe that was with 175 smk’s.

a .280 will keep up with(or even go faster) a 7mm mag to about thrugh 150 grn bullet weight. the larger powder collum of the 7,mm mag shows its self on the higher weight end I built My .280AI with barnes 140 X bullets in mind

I have a H&R got 13 Barrels all 5 of the -06 casings 25-06 26 inch barrel 280 26 inch barrel it's my go to PA. I run 120Gr. Hornady V-Max. You don't chase Deer.

American version of the 7x64. Very enjoyable.

I have always been enamored with the .280 AI, but never purchased a rifle chambered in it.

OMG! The original cartridge name was 7mm Express Remington, NOT 7mm Remington Express! Thankfully, I bought a brand new Savage 110 Hunter in 280 Ackley Improved with a 22-inch barrel. I use Winchester, Remington, and Norma 280 Remington brass for my reloads. Redding dies are the best over the counter dies for my money. My heavy bullets are Sierra 160 grain Game King bullets and Nosler's 160 grain Accubond and Ballistic Tip bullets. I reload all my ammo on my 30+ years old RCBS Rock Chucker II press. Another excellent cartridge from the 30-06 Springfield parent case is the 338-06 A-Square cartridge. Thor's Hammer!

While I would call it a poor man's build, I have wanted a 280 remington rifle. I bought a Savage axis 2 in 30-06. But I have just got in a 280 Remington barrel from shaw that is 1-8.5 twist barrel. I will be reloading it and plan to see if I can work a 175 eld-x load for it. Would love a powder suggestion especially since I can't find reloader 26!

Reloader 26 and 175eldx or 168 bergers in my 280ai is all smiles.

👍🏻👍🏻

Hornady look at reloading 175 gr in 280AI. I would like to find factory ammo in 175 gr eld. I am going to try 180 gr also. I have Remington 280 brass. It has 7mm express on the brass.. New Browning rifles only come in a 1@8 twist.

Is it possible to throat the barrel of 280AI to shoot long and high BC 7mm in 185-195gr range?

I handload the Berger 180-grain VLD at 3,000 fps in my 26" 280 AI (SAAMI standard chamber). What's not to like?

Give us a factory 280 Ackley with the 160 CX

Have both the 280 and 280 AI love both but the 280 AI with 162 ELDX I have shot coyotes, deer and moose no issues ever.

Let hear the velocity with the 175 from 280ai with rl26. I know what my 7mm prc is doing. I also have a 280ai. Im just going to say the 280ai should be much more popular then it is.

6:30 Seth, you've got that wrong! The 270 weight for weight is going to be better. Glad those guys corrected you

This is coming along when I am building a 280 AI I just got my finish reamer I got a 721 Remington and it was in a 30-06 but it didn’t shoot good so I ordered a barrel short chambered and threaded and crowned and I am building one it’s going to be 26” 1-8 twist you guys know what is a good weight of bullets would be good to start with with that twist

@hornady

2 ай бұрын

If you have enough room in the magazine, look at the 175 gr ELD-X

Certainly can question some of the logic in marketing between Win & Rem back thru thr late 50's and into the 70's, some was great, some was abysmal, some of that is also the nature of the beast in marketing. I guess the 25cal will be the next one with a bunch more bullets and cartridges coming out, it's really the last one left to fill out on cartridge selection.

I wouldnt call your 280ai ammo "available". I have yet to see it on the shelf or in stock online ever. The only box i have ever seen was at my gunsmith and he used it for checking headspace after the gauges.

Future Caliber talk: 300wsm!!

35 whelen for the WIN

The Flintstone super eye bunger. Ackley did some weird things The 30-30 ai was pretty kewl to

I built a custom .280 Rem a few years back. I went back and forth between building it in AI. But It really came down to the fact I already had .280Rem dies. I can easily load 140 grain bullets at 3000fps but my pet load is a 120 Barnes TTSX with IMR4831 at just over 3200fps. I would take the .280 Rem for any animal in North America except maybe the biggest bears. I know the AI is considered cooler because you can jam a little more powder in it but just the standard is a big plenty.

You think 20 or 22 inches is too short?

🤷‍♂️ The 280 AI In The 160 grain CX Would Be Much Appreciated! 🙏

@hornady

2 ай бұрын

Not sure it would be stable. Would probably have to be the 150 grain.

@ronlowney4700

2 ай бұрын

😁 That Would Be Great and Much Appreciated! 👍 Keep The Ammunition and Podcasts Comming! 🤗

@gsnicholas8522

2 ай бұрын

​@@hornady it would be stable in my 8 twist 280 Ackley.

@texpatriot8462

2 ай бұрын

@@hornadyI want a CX factory load for my 280AI. I shoot a lot of ELD m&x bullets in my rifles and have taken game with the ELD-x. But, we need an all copper load for times when we need/want a tougher bullet.

It's hilarious that the 280 ai is just as good as the 7prc that doesn't produce the velocity that they have lied about to everyone

270 160 Grand boulevard

I wish Nosler had submitted the TRADITIONAL .280 Ackley Improved dimensions to SAAMI. Very disappointing.

People are drawn to the AL for the shoulder they like the looks it's not much better than the 280 for a reloader

I have it nice 280 rem 7400 Remington

Commenting simply for the algorythms

7rem express

Just think fellas. As you sit hear on your “Pod-Cast” talk about what Remington did; right or wrong, with their 280-Remaining. Someday, there will be people talking about Hornady introducing cartridges (PRC) Went public with these rounds, telling the world how fast they were, knowing well they were telling a lie to the public. I found this unfortunate, because, people had trust in your company, now, not so much. Some people have spent lots of money on building custom rifles going on the information you provided. It’s never a good practice in business to lie to people. I think, you need to apologize for your actions.

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