Ep. 090 - 375 Ruger | 338 RCM | 300 RCM
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On this episode, Seth is joined by Steve Hornady, Director of Engineering, Mitch Mittelstaedt, and former ballistician and outdoor writer, Dave Emary. This show dives deep into the development of the 375 Ruger, 300, and 338 Ruger Compact Magnum cartridges. The discussion begins with the technical aspects of the cartridge design and then transitions to the state of the industry during the time of development. These cartridges would later become parents of some widely popular newer cartridges but they also stand on their own merits. We hope you enjoy!
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Now if only I could get some .375 Ruger Brass for loading! It's impossible to find and you guys are the only ones making it. Promise a lot of people want it if you make some...
@threefortyduster
8 ай бұрын
This right here. Nobody has any brass available and when there's only one company who makes it, when they don't do a run, everyone is SOL.
@jkt7696
8 ай бұрын
I’m in that same boat!
@jamesb6899
7 ай бұрын
I also need some 375 ruger brass
Would really love the RCMs to make a comeback!
@michaelmortag3536
8 ай бұрын
😢haven't seen superformance in 300RCM in 4 years.
@jfess1911
8 ай бұрын
In one respect they have. The 6.5 PRC is based on the 300 RCM case. The RCM's were at the tail end of the "short magnum" boom and before the "fast twist" era. They didn't really offer much of an advantage to existing cartridges. This was before laser rangefinders had become common and relatively light bullets at high velocity to minimize elevation issues was what was popular. That is why the 300 WSM is the only short-magnum cartridge that is still popular. It was the fastest, not the most accurate, nor the best for long, high BC bullets.
@jeremiahcoles2378
8 ай бұрын
Had a rcm, 30-06 & 308 lined up together a couple months ago. And if had to pick just off of looks youd pick the RCM. Its such a cool cartridge.
@johncadloni4538
4 ай бұрын
😮Yes, especially the 338 Rcm. With 20 inch threaded barrel. Perfection.
Steve Hornady's best qualities are, being smart enough to call B.S. on stupid stuff/ideas and hiring some of (possibly) the best people in the ammo industry.
@ronlowney4700
8 ай бұрын
👨🏫 You are only as "Good" as the people that you surround yourself with! 🤔
@wesleyherring9870
8 ай бұрын
You are absolutely right about Steve hiring the brightest people , and he knows how to put the smart puzzle together. Right person in right place. Not very many people know how to put the puzzle together.
@StachiBCNR33
8 ай бұрын
I'd work for him in a heartbeat. He's a Boss and you can feel it through the screen.
I loved that part where Steve says that you don't shoot over 200 meters, you just get closer. I have my limit at 300meters with my 308 and 6.5, and if it's further than that, I just walk a bit more.
Best part of the week!!!
The .375 Ruger is going to die out if you do not start making cases available. That would be tragic, as it IS better than the H&H. However, when the hunters with .375 Rugers can only find 300gr DG ammo sometimes, people will just not give up the world-wide ubiquity of the H&H.
Great video! Hornady has really stepped up its game since the 1970's when I started reloading their bullets because they shot great and were economical. It's fantastic that you folks have developed such innovative products. Joyce would be proud. My Dad reloaded Hornady bullets back in the 1960's and I've been using them ever sense ..
Great video. Keep up the good work. Your ammo is awesome. I love the 416 Ruger cartridge.
i like the 375 ruger, but cant find brass.
Finally pulled the trigger and getting a Mauser 98 build in .375 Ruger. The M77's are fine, I love mine, but a 98's just a little finer ;)
Great pod cast (again). My first bolt gun (early 1970"s) was chambered 264 Win. Mag. I also hate Belted Cases.
I Love my 300 RCM, best cartridge ever invented, I so wish that it could make a comeback…
300 RCM is the best balanced 300 short mag period. Impressive velocities from a compact platform and case dimension allowing an extra round in the magazine over the WSM's. Would love to see a comeback for them now that the 6.5 PRC is established and successful. Maybe a 7 RCM?
I agree. Totally with Steve on Belted Cartridges and the comment that we are not driving models T's
@georgezink8256
8 ай бұрын
I have both belted
@tonybarnes5309
8 ай бұрын
@georgezink8256 I have a 338 Win Mag and a 300 Win Mag. If I were a young person building a gun collection. I would seriously consider 300 PRC or a 338 300 RCM. I just picked up 100 pieces of Belted Peterson Wild Cat Brass for my 338 WM. I will have to neck it down. I have been looking for 338 brass for a year, and no one has it. I was thinking of 300 brass, but I have a 300 was also thinking of necking up 7mm Rem Mag but settled on the Belted Peterson Wild Cat brass it has no head stamp so there should not be any confusion on what gun it's for.
338rcm sounds like the king of the timber.
Love hearing about the development of cartridges. Don't let the plot fail by not supporting those cartridges in the future though, which is what's currently happening with all of these cartridges with no brass availability for hand loaders and very, very expensive factory rounds.
Just bought a 375 Ruger now have not found any ammo locally and on the enter net if I can find it maybe only a couple different bullets.
I would love to see 338 RCM make a comeback. When you think about a 500 yard and in elk gun with a short barrel for suppressor like everyone wants now it fills all the boxes!
@janzadam
2 ай бұрын
I used to have one of the early 338 RCM rifles with the 20" barrel and a surprisingly nice walnut stock. I got tired of never being able to find brass or ammo for it and sold it. I loved that gun.
The Interlock flat base is my favourite big game hunting bullet. Always shoots excellent groups and just flat out works. Best part is you don’t need to take a loan out to buy them Thanks Hornady
Thanking all of you, for great presentation
I agree with Steve on the H&H! No way I could have afforded a gun in it but I have an M77 in 375 Ruger. I call it Moose Thumper. She gets a chance to solidify the name this fall with a Maine tag. Thanks guys.
I had a dilemma when I was in the market for a 300 magnum and 'settled' for the 300 Win Mag, solely for the fact the it is available everywhere.
So much knowledge at one table. Well done gentlemen.
@hornady
8 ай бұрын
Thank you kindly!
I’m big Fan of All Hornady products
So glad you did this episode! I have been listening since week 2, and I as soon as I heard the 300 PRC episode I began asking for this one!!!
@hornady
8 ай бұрын
Hope you enjoyed it!
I have a Ruger M77 Hawkeye chambered in .338 Win Mag as I couldn't locate one in .375 Ruger. I shoot Hornady .338 Win Mag SST's in 200 & 225 grain. Love this combo for elk. Wish for a 180-185 round for mule deer. Comments in a podcast about the Win Mag round would be appreciated. I also shoot your 5.56 ammo for target and hunting coyotes. Along with 9MM & .45 Critical Defense and Critical Duty for personal defense. Keep up the great work Hornady.
The RCM's had less case capacity than the WSM's, and virtually all the magazine articles just said that they RCM was slower than the WSM, especially with handloads. Also the RCM's really shined with the Hornady factory ammo. At the time, magazines articles would spend a lot of time showing data from their handloads which could not match the factory stuff. Superperformance ammo was not yet out, so most people just figured that Hornady was lying about the velocities. Although the commercials for the RCM's touted the handiness of the 20" barrels, it was not a big deal with with hunting journalists at the time and was not emphasized. Those commercials are still on KZread, I think.
Are you going to make the rcm brass again?
Isnr it time to do the Creedmoor exercise on the 30-06? You already have the cartridge in the 300RCM. Time for a reboot😁👍 Ruger stuffed up the marketing! It was never a magnum but the 30-06 improved!
Thank you for all the products you make and all things you do. Two great companies Ruger and Hornady. America!!
@hornady
8 ай бұрын
You bet
@seanridner1385
8 ай бұрын
Nix Ruger and I agree wholeheartedly. Bill Ruger wouldn't bat an eye at stripping your gun rights at the chance to save his company. No man like that should exist in any capacity in the 2A industry. They make great firearms, and I own several Rugers, but that doesn't make them a great company.
I wouldn't mind a 300 RCM, if it was still available.
Was the 416 Ruger developed from the 375 Ruger as well? It would have been nice to hear about it as well. Nice job guys.
@chadperry4021
8 ай бұрын
The 416 is based n the 375 ruger. Would’ve been nice to have that included in the podcast. I’ve heard it’s pitfall was handloaders struggling to match the box velocities in the 20 inch barrels
@janzadam
2 ай бұрын
I'm surprised they didn't talk about the 416 ruger at all, or the 7mm PRC for that matter.
I love my Ruger Alaskan in 375 Ruger. I have one request as a reloader in Norway Europe it’s impossible to get the powder made in the US, please make reloading data with the vihtavuori powder.
This was good... Well Done.. Nice to hear that on Ruger The WSM ( n the sister n cousins of the time ScrewUp) n a certain patent.. I have always felt that patent, lawsuit settlement had a whole lot to do with some fine cartridges going south. While will never know for certain .....Well God Bless You All..
I would love to find a 338 Ruger compact magnum , 22 inch barrel medium weight barrel !
@alexmills1329
8 ай бұрын
Ask ruger lol
@georgezink8256
8 ай бұрын
@@alexmills1329 I did and same with the 6.8spc mini 14
Id love a compact 16" bolt gun or one of the lever action centerfire rifles in 338 rcm with factory irons and a solid scope mounting point as an option. The effeciency of the 338rcm would really shine in a short barrel
Great meeting, listening to professionals! Awesome
@hornady
8 ай бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
The issue with 375 Ruger, 338 RCM, and 300 RCM is rifle availability...
@creditciller3243
8 ай бұрын
375 Ruger is still available, but the rcms are dead in the water.
@wesleyg848
8 ай бұрын
You’re not wrong, there are rifles available in 375 Ruger. I just recently found a Savage chambered in 375 Ruger. I’ve been looking for a year or better. However, it’s not the particular manufacturer I had in mind.
@GreenKnight1979
2 ай бұрын
The Ruger Guide Gun and Hawkeye are excellent hunting tools.
I’m firm believer in difference between hunting and shooting? Hunters work in close to their game , be it squirrels or moose , long range shooting? Takes the thrill out of hunting? Anyone can shoot long range, if they practice, but Hunters, get thrill out of giving the animals a fair chance!
A friend in AK bought a 338 - 378 Weatherby rifle I had no powder slow enough .
Ol' Steve kinda grows on you after awhile. Seems like he really really likes a guy or really really dislikes a guy, with the latter being the longer of the two. Not a suffer of fools. Guess that's why Hornady is the top dog! I bet when Steve loves you, you are loved!
I need .338 RCM brass. Please make some.
@johncadloni4538
4 ай бұрын
Yes, please!?!
Now my question? Where are the rifles and ammo in 2023 ? At all sporting goods stores none on shelves, I tried to find 338 federal rifles and ammo none available
All we need now is a 7mm RCM and a 358 rcm. Alot of 1000yd shooters are already using a version of what the 7 rcm would be. Many people could get a factory gun in 7mm for 1000 yds.
If they kept the belt, they could have used a shortened 378 Weatherby Magnum case for the 375 Ruger. The case capacity would be insane, even in a standard length action.
2000 yards transonic with the 250gr ATIP in a Long Action. 300 RCM.
How would it compare to the 375 chetac
@alaskatruoutdoors9238
8 ай бұрын
like comparing apples to ardvarks lol. Completely different tools for different jobs. The Ruger is a close to mid range sledge hammer for BIG game.
I still run the 300H&H, it's good for my purposes and does what is needed, and has some cool factor history to it. The discussion about powders is interesting, sure there are more stories on that subject, not sure why St Marks hasn't released some more of them to market, I expect the StaBall's evolved out of that project. But, I have seen where naming a powder Superformance, Leverevolution and having same name on ammo line sure confuses a lot of newbie reloaders, that was a not such a great idea.
🤠 Steve Sharing His "Hands on Hunting Experience" Proves Why Hiring People With Such Experience Matters! Their is No Substitute (Replcement) for "Hands On Experience", Because "Theories" That Are "Untested" Often Fail! 🕵️♂️
What if Hornady made a shotgun cartridge for the military for drones? Not like a shoulder fired shotgun but a light weight possibly belt feed style of gun, but using the SIG hybrid case technology and moly chrome barrel lining for barrel life! with a special shot cup that can use the technology of our 40mm grenade that counts rotation of the projectile so it can expand at different heights
I went through a time when I wanted raw speed in a 30 cal magnum. Then I spent some time shooting one. Then I got a 6.5 PRC.
👨🔬 I Hope That You Took My "Free Suggestion" on Having Your Powder Supplier Make A "Ball Propellent" With Multiple Sized Balls (To Fill The Pore Spaces Between the Larger Powder Balls) - Using a Geo-packing Technique - To Be Able To Fit More Propellant In The Case, Without Having to Compress the Load??? 😜
33 PRC next????😊
😂 As a "Consumer", I Hope That You Will "Stick to Your Guns" and Design the Best Cartridge Possible and Let the Gun Makers Figure Out How They Must Adapt Their Firearms For It! 😎
358 RCM!!!
Long live the american muscle car 💪
Re: Steven's comments on 375 H&H not wise to piss into the wind😂
I would love to build a 375 Ruger for up here in Alaska and I love all its offspring. But crap you guys had to frick'n abandon it as your brass is non-existent. Don't tell me how wonderful it is if it's a frick'n fairytale. Please bring back the brass!!!!
It seems ridiculous to me that you are out there 6 months ago bragging about cartridges you haven't built brass for, or in the case of 338/300 even loaded ammo in years. I have a .338 RCM and love it. I was smart enough to buy up a bunch of loaded ammo and brass when it was available. If someone now were to ask me which to buy I would point them to the .338 Winchester because Hornady deciding not to make any brass for it wouldn't bother you a bit when there are other companies pumping out brass and EVERY company loads for it. Proprietary cartridges are only sustainable if you buy up all the ammo and brass you can while they are available.
Be nice if I could find some 300 rcm ammo since you guys convinced me to buy a freaking rifle to shoot it out of. A rifle with no ammo is pretty useless .
325 boomer, the 310 arc lite, the 322 zap slapper the 337 bone crusher, the 342 ultra cannon, the 390 mega ultra, the 338.833 X 757....💤 😴
38-55 Winchester, 375 Winchester?
I love Hornaday. However, I listen to the podcast and then go buy federal or Barnes. I prefer their hunting bullets. Hornady make a Federal fusion competitor in price and performance with a bit more accuracy please.
@jfess1911
6 ай бұрын
Hornady made bonded bullets for a while, but switched back to cup and core to get better accuracy. The problem is in the bonding process itself. It is essentially soldering and flux is used to remove oxidized material of both the lead core and the jacket in order to get a good bond. As the bullet is heated to melt and bond the lead, you see bubbles and blobs of the oxidized materials get distributed randomly in the core. This throw off the balance of the bullet slightly and reduces accuracy. Federal's attempt to minimize the effect on accuracy can be seen in the Terminal Ascent bullets. The design reduce the amount of lead in the core and moves it closer to the centerline. This minimizes the effect on accuracy from a lead core that is slightly out of balance.
@johncadloni4538
4 ай бұрын
The nosler accubonds seem accurate enough. Swift Sirocco's also. It's a hunting bullet. Not a match bullet. Bonded bullets are awesome. Hornady could make it work I'm sure.
@jfess1911
4 ай бұрын
@@johncadloni4538 Hornady started making bonded bullets (InterBond) in 2003 and still produce the bonded DGX (Dangerous Game eXpanding) line, so they have a lot of experience. If you check the forums, the Interbonds were not noted for their accuracy, cost significantly more than the cup-and-core lines and didn't sell that well. Their engineers talk about their limitations and challenges of making bonded bullets on some podcasts. Roughly a decade ago, Hornady apparently decided to concentrate on accuracy and the lower cost "premium" ELD-X lead core bullets combined with a line of monolithic bullets (GMX). Since Hornady has gained market share since then, it has worked out well for them. They have even added a new production facility which is currently still running at full capacity. Ironically, even their competitor Federal, which has its own lines of bonded bullets (Terminal Ascent, Trophy, Fusion) also loads the ELD-X, so the Hornady bullets are clearly popular.
@jfess1911
4 ай бұрын
@@johncadloni4538 Most hunting does not require extreme accuracy, so I agree with you. On the other hand, the vast majority of ammo is shot at targets, so a little increase of accuracy there makes a big impression on many people. Twenty years ago, there were not really that many people shooting at 500 yards and over, where a relatively small increase in accuracy can make a big difference. Hornady seems to be using this as advertising for their hunting bullets, so they make a big deal of calling their ELD-X a "match-accurate hunting bullet. Marketing.
Thank you velocity, isn’t main objective In accuracy , as hand loader , I’ve learned over 50 years that some cartridges, are more accurate at slower fps, in many small cartridges , where some loaders , will not lower , fps thinking it will not be as accurate
🕵️♂️ Why was the 300 rcm designed with a 30 degree shoulder and not designed to 65,000 psi? 🤷♂️
@hornady
8 ай бұрын
SAAMI max is 65k on the 300 RCM. Thirty degree shoulders give a lot of benefit in longevity and capacity while being easier to manufacture.
@ronlowney4700
8 ай бұрын
I thought that it was 63,000 psi! 😳 Thanks! My buddies and I have discussions about case designs and I just wanted to hear your reasoning as to why a 30 degree shoulder? It isn't that I am disagreeing with you, but want to hear your logic! 😜
@ronlowney4700
8 ай бұрын
I think you addressed the "Manufacture" part in an earlier podcast? 🤔
@jfess1911
8 ай бұрын
@@ronlowney4700 Yes. They said that in their manufacturing process, shoulders sharper than 30° result in more scrapped cases.
@ronlowney4700
8 ай бұрын
🤠 Jfess, you must be an older gentleman, advid shooter, and either an Engineer (got to capitalize it, you know 🤭) or Ballastician? 👨🏫 ALL of your comments to me in any of our discussions have been very observant or very detailed! The "Average Person" just doesn't concern themselves with such details, like you and I do! 😜 HATS OFF TO YOU MY FRIEND AND KEEP THEM COMMING! 🎩
Show the cartridge on your table when you talk about things like this.
@hornady
8 ай бұрын
Good idea!
I to hate belted cases.. reason I went with the other WSMs RUM at the time
You should definaly get q to come in and talk the 300 blackout and thr 8.6 blackout.
When u going to make 338 rcm brass..stop talk and chop chop
The 375 Ruger - a solution to a problem that doesn’t exist.
@Bigeasy83
8 ай бұрын
As Steve mentioned it allows 375 H&H performance to be chambered into rifles costing less than half the price of a traditional magnum 🤷🏻♂️ Then again considering 375H&H came out 7 years after 9.3x62mm - 375H&H is really also a solution to a non-existent problem
@alaskatruoutdoors9238
8 ай бұрын
Better performance out of a 20" barrel than a H&H with a 24". Works like a charm for me, super fast pointing and handy in thick cover. Many guys in Africa have switched too.
What about 375 Ackley, or 375 Weatherby?
If you can afford to go to and hunt Africa cost of the rifle ($2k vs $900) isn't in the mix.
with all the talk about the cases it is really too bad cases are unobtanium.
Lol, I guess old Steve have to be so negative towards the 375 H&H Magnum seeing his 375 Ruger is doing so bad!!……. Just wondering, if it is so dum and stupid, why do Hornady still make cartridges for it!!…….lol,lol, oh my lol
@johncadloni4538
4 ай бұрын
It's hard to sell .375 anything in real numbers. Even harder when the H&H has a 100 yr. head start❤
Don't no why you're talking about these rounds when you guys dump them all sorry as hell
300 prc is nothing more than a slightly tweaked 30 Newton
@johncadloni4538
4 ай бұрын
Yah, I just bought a new 30 Newton last week. Said nobody ever.
Welcome to Hornady where we can’t do anything on our own, we just steal wildcats and others designs and change one thing and call them our own.
Damn. First of these I’ve watched. What a bunch of arrogant marketing. I’ll never buy another Hornady product.
@jfess1911
8 ай бұрын
I'm curious. What do you mean by "a bunch of arrogant marketing"? I don't understand your comment. Why do you have a problem with this podcast? These are some of the most knowledgable people in the business. As an engineer who has studied ballistics, I enjoy these podcasts for the tech and historical info they provide. I have learned a great deal from them over the past couple of years. The men on the panel explained what their goals were and how they tried to get there. The development of the RCMs and 375 Ruger cartridges were requested by a Ruger.
🤔 I was all on board with the short (20") barrel, 2.5x8 Leupold Scope, and the lightweight rifle! Then you guys (Steve Included) contradicted your logic by talking about adding a suppressor, which lengthens the rifle and results in it not being so "handy"! I DON'T EVER WANT Suppressors legal in my State, because we already have enough poachers out their and we don't need to be giving them an additional tool to do their dirty work! 😡
@alaskatruoutdoors9238
8 ай бұрын
I always thought so too, then I tried one. Poachers will always do what they do, with snares, crossbows etc. Millions of guys like me (and probably you too) have permanent hearing loss from the occasional unprotected shot while hunting. Often the choice is either make a fast shot at your target or fumble around with earpro and miss your one and only opportunity.
are you guys ever gonna re-release your zombie ZMax ammo? kind of want to fill a can with 9mm, 223/556, and 12 gauge zombie max ammo for a cool lil novelty to have.