The entire valley is built on ancient ruins

@AZCobraman

Жыл бұрын

Exactly, that's what they named it Phoenix.

@logicreply5577

Жыл бұрын

Exactly

@AZCobraman

Жыл бұрын

Hunt's tomb is a pyramid.

@DJspAce82

Жыл бұрын

Imagine other parts of America. I wonder what's below the hill I live on.

@andrewmorales5325

Жыл бұрын

Outrages that the tribe allowed for the digging there knowing there were artifacts

"we have an agreement with them" Sounds like someone got paid off.

@jamie_nelson

Жыл бұрын

No it's not that. It's more letting the tribe lead on any human remains repatriation.

@Maknlife

Жыл бұрын

Dude in a 100 years from now no one is gonna care its all about money

Phoenix will probably just create another highly paid position for the" Office of Expressing How Much We Feel For You", which will of course, do nothing.

@MegaMeco2

Жыл бұрын

Lol this instantly made me think of that “we are sorry “ South Park bit

I've been in the building trades for many years. I've heard stories of workers ignoring discoveries. They don't want the job to stop/ shut down. So they work faster. Fun fact: pyramids once stood in Ohio.

@j887276

Жыл бұрын

That's a very Ohio thing to be in Ohio.

@lizslp86

Жыл бұрын

So what happened can you kindly elaborate?Who were the Gods of those Pyramids????

@lizslp86

Жыл бұрын

Has anybody ever done a documentary on those Pyramids in Ohio?

@barryrammer7906

Жыл бұрын

Smart men keep working.

Poltergeist, guess these guys didn't catch that movie😳😬🤷‍♂️ probably not a good idea to move there

@carolinematusevich889

Жыл бұрын

Or The Shining.

@WhatsupwitItPodcast

Жыл бұрын

I don’t think they get it !!!

@christopherswartz4116

Жыл бұрын

Not a great idea to move most places off of Van Buren anyway

@BroadwayRonMexico

8 ай бұрын

It's on Van Buren. Haunting by angry restless spirits will be the least of their dangers. I used to work down there, and I'd rather be homeless in a quieter area of the North Valley than live in a section 8 apartment complex (which is what these are) on Van Buren

My ancestors will be having a ball with the new tenants once they get settled in😈😈👹

@juliaweber212

Жыл бұрын

I wouldn't mind a Indian showing up that would be amazing though the fact they found human remains the project should be stop until they know who is the human remains first

@randomuser1596

Жыл бұрын

Yea drinkin and smokin up all the goods

@strnglhld

Жыл бұрын

@@randomuser1596 No that’s you

@carolynforge8586

Жыл бұрын

Oh Lort!!! 😂😂😂

@barryrammer7906

Жыл бұрын

​@@randomuser1596drinking you dry 😂

Greed and disrespect. Corporate America makes me sick.

@AZCobraman

Жыл бұрын

It's a gov't project for low-income residents... 🤣

@dterik

Жыл бұрын

Can't say you hate corporate America yet still shop at big box and work for a company. The American dream baby you get what you put in. Give the natives what they want for finding this then move on.

@marryellenmonahan5585

Жыл бұрын

@@dterik well that's a crock of s*** capitalism doesn't work for everybody.

@amariethomp5118

Жыл бұрын

Even though it is low income housing someone is getting paid to build it with our tax dollars. Plus the tax payers pay the difference on the rent difference so.....I'm for public housing just not on a burial ground.

@trishpetty6685

Жыл бұрын

Truly sad

Did you know there was a cemetery/ mass grave by the stadium down town? It was relocated to Pioneer Memorial Cemetery.

@carolinematusevich889

Жыл бұрын

A lot of DT Phoenix is built upon old Hohokam villages, close to the dried up Salt River.

So gnarly, love to you people and your ancestors Spirts.

What a shame. Those ruins should be preserved.

@EveryoneIsStupidButMe

6 ай бұрын

The whole valley is built on remains, should we never live where other people did? Should we tear down the whole valley and move out? For the skeletons?

Meanwhile there's hundreds of abandoned strip-malls throughout the valley, some of which have been that way for decades. Plenty of better locations to build/repurpose - this is just a "throw it up cheap and embezzle the rest" job.

@lotwizzard1748

Жыл бұрын

exactly🔔🔨🏆 property owners and greed go hand in hand

@bernardtaylor1281

Жыл бұрын

@@lotwizzard1748 Colonists aren’t property owners and neither are fraudulent encroaching governments. Hell you expect from traitors🤔

@lotwizzard1748

Жыл бұрын

@@bernardtaylor1281 traitors continue their treachery

@bernardtaylor1281

Жыл бұрын

@@lotwizzard1748 Yes indeed!

@davidhorst9203

Жыл бұрын

Nah no money in inner city or ghettos. People gonna burn it down and theft becomes a big problem.

THIS IS INCREDIBLE! This breaks my heart, as well. Europeans would NEVER do that to their ancestors. They would NEVER, once they found-out, pave over the cemetery the Founding Families were buried in. Native Americans DESESRVE the same respect!@

@christopherswartz4116

Жыл бұрын

Europeans, Americans and every other race have to move remains all of the time. When they build dams, highways or other public works. Your house might be sitting on top of dead folks, too.

@BroadwayRonMexico

8 ай бұрын

"Europeans would NEVER do that to their ancestors." They can and have, many times. Hell, some parts of Europe have grave robbing as a major source of black market goods. Also, MUCH of modern Europe is built on ruins (yes, including building over burial grounds) History shows when times are hard or when people have enough to gain, people of most cultures and society will go grave robbing and/or otherwise defile the tombs of their ancestors. China, Egypt, and Eastern Europe are all places that are or have been notorious for it in the past.

LET OUR ANCESTORS REST GREETINGS FROM AUSTRALIA

@whosthatguy9

Жыл бұрын

👋

@marinathomas1779

Жыл бұрын

💚

When they demolished the dupa villa projects a few years back they found native American artifacts,

@logicreply5577

Жыл бұрын

America might be cursed land?

This is a tough one. How do you weigh the benefits from this much needed project to help out the poor and disenfranchised versus further destruction of the culture of a people who have suffered too much for too long at our hand? There is no winner here without someone getting deeply hurt.

@azmike3572

Жыл бұрын

I agree. But that new building is just not going to be torn down to preserve the ruins, not that she feel that it should be.

@JN-vi9iv

Жыл бұрын

Its just gonna be another ghetto ass apartment complex that will be sectioned 8

@rubengonzalez5155

Жыл бұрын

It’s extremely simple easy. Go to rich neighborhoods and tear them down and build the complex there. Or go to where the university is and build it on the football field. Tons of options. The money is in the way of seeing clearly.

@anthonydunn8199

Жыл бұрын

Our hands You must mean the Apache tribe and other tribes that did what your accusing our hands of...

@Aj_470

Жыл бұрын

This proves that the emperialism and conquerors are still conqueroring and building their empire illegally.

Everything is built on the remains of something else.

Such disgrace that they would want to place another building there.

Somehow you need to get the school districts involved to teach kids how to become archeologists let them go down there and do a little digging here and help gather up artifacts and learn about.

@joad8537

Жыл бұрын

Perfect opportunity to have something cool and different to teach thousands of students instead they want to build a (project) ghetto

@chicofromph33nix64

Жыл бұрын

Schools only teach about the 89 different genders,pronouns,and men can have babies..

There will definitely be many hauntings

Dam they gona live nice in the projects

What upsets me is in America most contractors tell there workers not to say anything just keep digging. Most parts of the world naturally want to preserve there ancient history. Not us we are like screw it keep business flowing. It bothers me because America's history is a big mystery when it comes to history before the native Americans. This may have possibly been the land of gients. The Smithsonian have covered that up since 1912.

@powerconverters9571

Жыл бұрын

@@aznative_ shut the fuck up with your I'm the authority on the fact of the matter bullshit. I'm an archaeologist and a paleontologist I'm also a geologist and yes I have been to other countries and talked with archaeologists that have dealt with situations like these while in the army out in Germany. and no the Smithsonian conspiracy has not been debunked ya dip. Also my main profession is heavy machinery operating have been doing it for 15 years i have worked here in Phoenix on job sites and know that this is what happens in certain situations I also experienced this out in Denver as well and I know contractors that have done the very thing that I commented on usually when ancient remains are found or bones are found archaeologist and the cops are called in that's what's supposed to happen but sometime does not. Honestly I think you should second-guess everything you think because your getting dumber and dumber. I'm going to refer to you as dipshit from now on.

@powerconverters9571

Жыл бұрын

@@aznative_ dear dipshit your a dipshit keep studying that meth.

@applecider9968

Жыл бұрын

Right ❤

This area would immediately be preserved if it were any other country

@randomuser1596

Жыл бұрын

Like Iraq or Syria

@AZCobraman

Жыл бұрын

Modern England is built all over ancient Roman ruins...as it most of Europe.

@harrylately1

Жыл бұрын

In Scandinavia, that’s Norway and Sweden and Denmark. If it’s not in a major city, you’re absolutely right. However, I’m challenged to believe that that this was a renovation in the center of Stockholm , , Copenhagen or Oslo, they would stop the project. I’m sure what they would do a temporary stoppage & relocate the artifacts and remains to another location and then continue with the project. This is how Europeans have been doing business since recorded time.

@christopherswartz4116

Жыл бұрын

Mexico City is built upon the ancient city of Tenochtitlan. And both places are built on top of a lake bed which is largely unsound for modern construction

Wow thats interesting I bet every where in phoenix had those areas. Its good she is trying..

This will make a great Poltergeist movie. Oh I forget they already made a movie about it.

Im currently at central, installing the new light rail. And we have an archeologists out there with us, we have to dig really slow and gently, and he can halt the operatio whenever he feels he found something valuable. So far hes only picked up a few rock/masonry samples. And they had found human remains, but that was before i got assigned to the job site.

@taylorsmith9629

Жыл бұрын

What’s the story with the human remains? Why wasn’t this in the news?

Unbelievable!

They always have to keep tight wraps on findings just in case what they find doesn't fit into their version of the past

Has anyone ever forgot the story of Marcos De Niza apartments, I lived in there it was a graveyard department was on ghostly encounters

@southwestAZ

Жыл бұрын

Where is this located at the Marcos de niza apartments ?

Who failed? That place is SACRED- LEAVE IT ALONE!!!! DO NOT CONTINUE BUILDING- DO NOT LIVE THERE-..

@randomuser1596

Жыл бұрын

Not sacred enough for the Pima Indian Counsel apparently they got paid 💰 💰 💰

It's not surprising. There are many people that have lived before us.

@E_X_H_U_M_E_D_06

Жыл бұрын

And usually people respect the dead...

All them apartments gonna be haunted asf lol

did they find the sacrificing rock yet ?

Prayers. 🙏

And I wonder how old the items are and the human remains

Phoenix was founded by reusing and upgrading the original canals of the hohokam. The early settlers had to clear brush and flatten the mounds that were left behind to make irrigated fields. The settlers knew the mounds were hohokam sites but had to be removed for agriculture. Today, developers are in the same position.

Everything needs to rest. Beautiful history is torn down every day in NYC and the people who live here feel the same sense of powerlessness and heartbreak.

what were the tribe given as compensation?

Should bring professionals in and document every piece and where it was located etc. then move to. Museum

There’s a movie called Poltergeist that shows this is a bad idea

Highways and housing has always been a way to red line

Yes keep fighting for this we do not need more housing especially in a beautiful place of ancestors

you know what I’m here because of my ancestors but that didn’t stop them from tearing my grandpa’s house down so yeah…

Can you feel t/ 🌬 knocking on your 🚪?

You took the check

Well the developers should have dug down deeper before they pored one foot of cement. That is why we do that in California. Ancient sites are everywhere let alone contamination sites, but when they are that far along it will proceed. Until the ghost make their selves present 😮😮😮😮

These cities are notorious for building housing developments, right on top of cemeteries….

I’ve lived there before the flats were knocked down, they had the chapel and a plaque dedicated to the people that lived and were buried there. Ain’t right.

im sure many ancient buildings were all around here.

Affordable?

@nocomprendo1409

Жыл бұрын

For silicone valley.

@BroadwayRonMexico

8 ай бұрын

It's a Section 8 subsidized project.

That is not going to be low income apartments. Rent is going to be over$1900 a month for rent. People that are social security and SSDI and SSI will not have money to rent a apartment. Arizona is one of the highest state to live in next to calf. Arizona need to get the homeless family and people off the streets. Now I been see old people and family living out in the street too.

There’s lots more !

People living in the projects have known about this for years

Those new buildings will be very active from the Ancestors....people kitchen cabinets will be opening and closing by the Ancestors. Same has happened in Henderson Nevada.

@r1nkyd1nk66

Жыл бұрын

Wow.....some mean ancestors eh...

Affordable housing?

The indigenous peoples living there left it easy for my colonizer brothers and sisters. may yall have kindness, hope, and love in your temple!

Such a sad world. To anyone reading this, may you have protection and blessings from God.

Paved paradise, put up a parking lot.

Appts bout to be haunted af

At least they should find every remain and make them their own cemetery.But,not have building built on top of the remains of their ancestors.And may they have a dignified cemetery to honor their ancestors.So they can rest with dignity and respect

If it were dinosaur bones then Oh shit! Your not building here pal! PFFF.

@carolinematusevich889

Жыл бұрын

Yep. Because dinosaur bones can sell for a lot of money.

where exactly is this

If they have human remains that should be a stop on the land

Good job

Then tear down all housing projects because it's all on ancestral land

How would you feel if your ancestors were dug up and removed!! This is a buriel ground that is being turned into homes for people to live.

@michelelindseth8250

Жыл бұрын

It happens all over the country, not only to indigenous tribes. Respect for history has been sacrificed to developer's greed .

@randomuser1596

Жыл бұрын

@@michelelindseth8250 and the greed of the board members of the Pima tribe

The Same is going on in Oceanside CA with. new water park they are trying to build. They will still continue because it a comes down to $$$.

@ElRayDelRio

Жыл бұрын

This was also an issue in imperial beach at the old kumeyaay burial grounds near the silver strand. The military and government will still build and prosper without a care in the world when it comes to the deceased. In upstate New York theres cemeteries everywhere and guess what, they're all protected because they were mostly white men who fought for our country but there are natives laying to rest in the knolls and those burial grounds are so disconnected with the rest of the world war grave sites that they've literally left them in vein! It's sad. I was out there cleaning up and had got drawn on by locals on the hill in Washington, NY near Elmira. I was chased off and treated unfairly. Sucks because the ones who fought for our freedom are shown no respect if they weren't white. Not always but when it comes to natives or "engines" they really look the other way with neglect!

They need to use the building resources to build farm homes, businesses, wind generators so they don't have let as much water out of the lakes, and canals systems to community without running water in the Rio Verde communities. Plus a water treatment facility and storage wells for the treated water.

@russianwolfhound2138

Жыл бұрын

Desalination plants needed.

Time goes on, sorry the living need that area.

What a shame...=(

Putting a hotel over an ancient burial ground is dangerous 👻

@r1nkyd1nk66

Жыл бұрын

You've been playing to many video games.

Sold out again

Please stop the building in Arizona. If you weren't born here or have not lived here for the last 20 Years plus, then we don't want or need you here. My family lost big property in two separate areas and parts of Queen Creek due to this building & development people. AKA basically stolen from us. Because we weren't millionaires to fight these fancy companies. . RIP queen creek. And east mesa.. I'm sorry you had to see what's become of it all Dad. RIP your queen creek heart & soul.

@applecider9968

Жыл бұрын

Right❤🙏

It's gonna be some kind of poltergeist shit happening there if they let people live on that land.

We can’t justify what their doing by saying they had an argument, we all know those contracts are damn near impossible to understand to the uneducated person !!!

The problem with the logic of halting new housuing, because some dead people were buried there, is that eventually you won't be able to build anywhere

How is this legal they should of stop all construction

The building should be stopped immediately!

Chariot ⚖

Haunted now

How old are these ruins? Those are melonated people bones.

This was also an issue in imperial beach at the old kumeyaay burial grounds near the silver strand. The military and government will still build and prosper without a care in the world when it comes to the deceased. In upstate New York theres cemeteries everywhere and guess what, they're all protected because they were mostly white men who fought for our country but there are natives laying to rest in the knolls and those burial grounds are so disconnected with the rest of the world war grave sites that they've literally left them in vein! It's sad. I was out there cleaning up and had got drawn on by locals on the hill in Washington, NY near Elmira. I was chased off and treated unfairly. Sucks because the ones who fought for our freedom are shown no respect if they weren't white. Not always but when it comes to natives or "engines" they really look the other way with neglect!

TRUE THEY CAN STOP LITERALLY BUILD AROUND IT AND SAVE WHAT'S LEFT

I don’t know why Arizona keeps saying these apartments are for low income. There is no such thing as low income $1600 is the new low income. This is the reason why I had to move out of Arizona they will not help me with housing. I tried to get into apartments like that and I have to make three times the amount of rent. That’s what they tell me.

@BroadwayRonMexico

8 ай бұрын

The signs on the fence say that it was a Phoenix Housing authority project, so it's subsidized section 8 apartments.

you seen poltergeist the movie??? meet the true story lol

@BroadwayRonMexico

8 ай бұрын

It's on Van Buren, lol. Angry spirits will be the least of their dangers. That shithole street is row of prostitution, meth-heads, schizophrenic homeless people (not all of the valley's homeless people are dangerous, but the ones near downtown and the airport sure tend to be), and gang activity.

Those natives buried there prove this land belongs to US #NATIVES

That land is Sacred ❤and the young lady feels her hands are tied behind her back 😮however SHE HAS A WHOLE TRIBE OF ANCESTRY BACKING HER EFFORTS 😊anyone that rents there will be in a major Spiritual Battle ❤and probably move out!!!! The greedy corporations will lose money 💰

@kingbambam

Жыл бұрын

No not really. We don't own the land. We live on it. A lot of natives are using there culture to obtain land. Some of it is good, but there's people that just don't understand that things change. Make the place into a museum. Preserve the history. If I was allowed to own my ancestors places I would own the great aztec empire.

@randomuser1596

Жыл бұрын

Its Her own people that exchanged that cultural site for donations and divided it up among the Minority of them

Just like Pioneer Cemetery, they moved graves so they can build, they don't care!

1st of all how does she know it's the remains of her ancestors. Before the Indians arrived on this continent other people were already living here.

@carolinematusevich889

Жыл бұрын

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤡

@9davidlong

Жыл бұрын

@@carolinematusevich889 I guess you have not studied archeology in North America. Through archeology we learn our history.

@ruthcarter946

Жыл бұрын

@@9davidlong Most people have no idea of our true history.

@9davidlong

Жыл бұрын

@@ruthcarter946 The American Indian migrated across the bearing straits into Alaska from Asia they made their way down the West Coast all the way into Central America and South America. These are all verified from archeological digs. Older remains have been discovered in sections near California they have been determined to be from the islands of the Pacific they predate the Asian migration.

@carolinematusevich889

Жыл бұрын

@@9davidlong Wrong. I have. So where did you receive your master's in archeology? They are ALL Native Americans, regardless of how they migrated to the Americas, including South America. They also go by the term, indigenous people.

As a native, when we die we become part of the earth. Move them to a final resting spot.

Listen. Just like burial grounds, mounds & ruins in all of the US, nothing was meant to be disturbed. But, as dumb as us humans are, the only thing we care about is survival & expansion.

My ancestors.

Native American maybe it time to arm up and take territory back

@randomuser1596

Жыл бұрын

Did you listen at all it was the NA that okd the site to be obstructed im sure the elders got a nice “donation” from the builders they sold out their own

Let the tribes take care of it she's just mad she's not in any of the tribes committees.

If you couldn’t build where someone died you wouldn’t be able to build anywhere.

@E_X_H_U_M_E_D_06

Жыл бұрын

??? So someone died on every available spot on earth where someone else hasn't already died? 🤣🤣🤣 Think about it. 🤡🤡🤡

Let them rest, no homes on burial grounds. Just not right

Greed will prevail! Eventually, everyone will have to give an account for their actions 🎬

I hope they haunt the cities

The dead don't care.

@tarikalbert64

Жыл бұрын

Look up lake Lanier in atl

Poltergeist

Imagine building on that cave pueblo village or in mexicos pyramids