When people debated the things that mattered, and it was shown in an unbiased manner. Totally alien to today.

@pommiebears

5 жыл бұрын

Coffee Arts politicians are still lying bastards though...lol! You get the odd one that cops it because he told the truth, but nowadays most are just lying turds. I’m hoping that they aren’t paedophiles now though, I truly am. Dirty, lying bastards!

@kristiblack4789

4 жыл бұрын

By design and Social Engineering. Divide and Conquer is a War Strategy used by the Romans and British for purposes of division and control. Plus the bonus is, they get us to fight, compete and destroy each other while they profit off of it ALL. It's as equally brilliant as it is repugnant! There can never be Peace while these Whores 4 War R US continue to illegitimately Control and Rule over us!

@TheDeletedOneOrwellian

4 жыл бұрын

Pommie bears live under tribalism see how that goes. Democracy and capitalism control and harness tribalism

@gewizz2

4 жыл бұрын

now its all black privilage this and black privilage that.

@Sionnach1601

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheDeletedOneOrwellian You're being thoroughly disingenuous. The meaning which I understood from Pommi Bear's post was the highlighting of *corruption*. You are talking about *systems*. No system will work efficiently or fairly with corrupt individuals at the helm. You can argue about systems if you wish, but please don't 'straw man' another man's argument.

Damn. I would give anything for such honest and intelligent politicians today.

@force6769

4 жыл бұрын

And yet if you lived in his time; you would scold him, insult him and protest him to the resignation. Do you know how i know? Because that did happen to him. People like you only change when they are showen with rigorous proof why they are wrong and that happens only with time.

@steamteamkids3961

4 жыл бұрын

What I don't like about these people is the sheer hypocrisy.He was in Australia, India countries INVADED by the British.Do you think they had a choice? It's like what's happening now racists weeping for south Africa but then saying a brown person can never be British, then how is a white person south African?????? If whites had stayed in Europe maybe everyone else would too

@billygiles3276

4 жыл бұрын

Force woah you don’t even know me and are making massive assumptions. In the contrary I would actively support Powell’s candidacy. I have to admit I wouldn’t support Jenkins but at the same time I wouldn’t protest his candidacy. So please don’t group me into these modern SJW totalitarians who endorse violence and removal from office of people they simply disagree with when thee person hasn’t even commited any crime

@kentjensen4504

4 жыл бұрын

@@force6769 You don't know the guy, you fucking idiot.

@kentjensen4504

4 жыл бұрын

@@steamteamkids3961 You don't know anything. The settlers in South Africa came to lands not farmed by anyone, with only hunter gatherer tribes roaming here and there. They settled, farmed the land, and were on good terms with the small roamng tribes. Only after the settlers started building towns, roads, turning the land into farms, building affluence, did people from farther north venture south, wanting to partake in or steal the sort of society they're clearly can't build themselves.

When Roy Jenkins said '6% inflation was inconvenient', I could not imagine a better example of British understatement.

@KaiserFranzJosefI

3 ай бұрын

Inflation would reach 20% by the late 1970s, so it was just a bit inconvenient at the time

@highdefboxing8056

14 күн бұрын

@@KaiserFranzJosefI Actually, that would be the mid-70s. 1975 to be precise, when inflation actually peaked at slightly above 24%. By the late 70s it was down to 13-15%.

Enoch Powell could reminisce about his fathers annual choice of livingroom-wallpapers and it would still be a feast for ones ears.

@sacredsoma

5 жыл бұрын

Jenkins so dribbles in panic

@kloschuessel773

4 жыл бұрын

11Kralle its amazing

@th8257

4 жыл бұрын

@@sacredsoma Jenkins regularly wiped the floor with Powell in parliament

@southlondon86

3 жыл бұрын

If he were alive today this great man could help us reminisce about the good old days of Jimmy Savile and Myra Hindley. 😢

@southlondon86

3 жыл бұрын

@@JohnSmith-it6hj Missing apostrophe.

Listening to these men restores the intellect.

@jonser20cent68

9 ай бұрын

Yes its a tonic for the mind.

Two very different men having a civil conversation. These men were giants of British politics. We don't have anything like them today - just a succession of bland nobodies.

@allanchalmers9778

Жыл бұрын

Glad to see it made a difference.

@roberthunter4927

Жыл бұрын

Agree.

@londoncalling151

Жыл бұрын

Masons.

@jean6872

Жыл бұрын

You are forgetting Jacob Reece-Mogg.

@jemimallah2591

Жыл бұрын

@@jean6872 lmao good one

Two incredibly smart politicians. No MP now is close to their level.

@HuxleyWasRight

5 жыл бұрын

all they care about these days is PR and virtue signalling to make themselves look "right on" as opposed to doing whats right for the long term.

@johnnyhammer

4 жыл бұрын

Rees-Mogg?

@chrish2359

4 жыл бұрын

@@johnnyhammer I agree he is one of the smartest of the current Parliament but he isn't comparable to these two. This is evidenced by Rees-Mogg's book on Victorians which was largely ridiculed in comparison to the highly regarded works of Jenkins on Gladstone and Churchill and Powell's poetry and gospel commentary.

Two remarkable men, political figures of real intellect and ability. I don't see many of today's politicians in that same light.

@rogercliftonville-acton1574

5 жыл бұрын

They'd never get elected. People prefer sweet lies over hard truths. Given people in this country and their utter inability to consider voting anything other than blue to keep the reds out and red to keep the blues out, it seems quite reasonable to say 'we get the government we deserve'

@londoncalling151

Жыл бұрын

Masons.

@jean6872

Жыл бұрын

Today the Tory Party has such intellectual giants such as Boris Johnson, Liz Truss, and Rishi Sunak.

@tneita3166

Жыл бұрын

​@@rogercliftonville-acton1574 Roger, the thing is "yesterday sweet lies" has become today's"hard truth", or don't you see it that way, just saying,,,.

@daviocampi6951

8 ай бұрын

​@@jean6872In hindsight intellectual dwarfs who are not wholly conservative and lack integrity. Liabilities and not rewarding the tax payer. Either through incompetence or liberalism.

A very civilised discussion from a bygone era. Sigh.

Enoch Powell was truly a man born before his time

@jean6872

Жыл бұрын

Sadly, he was a racist.

@tneita3166

Жыл бұрын

Chloe,funny that you say that,,I think "HE" would have said 200yrs too late, like when the Whip was still in hand,, just saying lol

I enjoy listening to both Roy Jenkins and Enoch Powell. They were both highly intelligent and principled politicians.

What a fascinating historical document. Clear and honest communication from serious, thoughtful men- so sad that this type of dialogue is only to be found now in old black and white reels.

Jesus Christ. Listen to Powell and contrast it with the pygmies we have in Parliament now.

@dellawrence4323

4 жыл бұрын

Research Enoch Powell, he was an intellectual giant that is why Heath got rid of him, he was terrified of his intelligence and he knew Powell could see right through him.

@humanforfreedom9583

4 жыл бұрын

Del Lawrence yep Powell suspected that heath was a internationalist, almost a communist, and his eagerness to get us into Europe sort of confirmed this for Powell.

@silverbullet2008bb

4 жыл бұрын

Compare listening to Powell to having the BS of Afua Hirsh and Owen Jones shoved down your throat all the time.

@silverbullet2008bb

4 жыл бұрын

​@@dellawrence4323 Heath was a wrong 'un. He was into little boys.

@acropolisnow9466

4 жыл бұрын

@@silverbullet2008bb unreal innit. It really does depress me.

Just imagine if her majesty’s government and opposition could debate like this today 😢

It is an honour and privilege to hear Enoch. What an amazing and intelligent man.

@barringtonsmith9147

2 жыл бұрын

The man was fluent in five different languages, would you believe that one of those languages was Urdu

@golden.lights.twinkle2329

2 жыл бұрын

The most brilliant UK politician that ever lived. Read his Wikipedia entry. The man was an absolute genius.

@ML-qk1px

Жыл бұрын

I believe Enoch Powell was a speaker of more than 10 languages

@ejkalegal3145

Жыл бұрын

Shame his conclusions have been shown by time to be utterly wrong. You coconut.

@satishrai5022

Жыл бұрын

@@ejkalegal3145 Not at all you freshie illegal immigrant

I listen to these men whenever I need to hear an intelligent conversation, Roy is outstanding and Enoch sensational. I know I'm not the only one that listens to these men off and on.

@londoncalling151

Жыл бұрын

Masons.

Amazing to see intelligent politicians engaging in civilised debate. Nothing like the cheap point scoring career politicians of today.

@adamholiday3450

9 ай бұрын

I don't think they even mentioned the names of their parties once.

Enoch had a sharp mind.

@billygiles3276

4 жыл бұрын

It’s shameful how he’s portrayed as some knuckle dragging white nationalist by the media

@EdMcF1

4 жыл бұрын

A Professor of Greek at 25, he went from Private to Brigadier in WW2.

@romeisfallingagain

4 жыл бұрын

This country has fallen because men like him never got to rule it.

@dellawrence4323

4 жыл бұрын

He was an intellectual giant, that is why Heath got rid of him, Enoch knew what the plan was and he has been proven right.

@dralanblacker8471

4 жыл бұрын

Most nazis has sharp minds

Those old ladies spoke more sense back then than any politician does today.

@nostalgiaof98

5 жыл бұрын

And reminds me of Monty Python's pepperpot character influence

@mckinnhe

5 жыл бұрын

@K L As clever as a belch out loud. Your Voltairian wit skewered Mr. Torres as if he had been stabbed by an ice cream cone.

@clauderebello2850

4 жыл бұрын

SPOT ON..!!

@trappistpreserves

4 жыл бұрын

You sexist fucking twat

@billygiles3276

4 жыл бұрын

trappistpreserve any more of your masculinity you want to give away in the name of totalitarian liberalism?

Can you imagine putting these two up in a debate with a couple of today's politicians, like for example Dianne Abbott and Anna Soubry? Now that would be fun!

@dicktiger68

5 жыл бұрын

It would be slaughter!

@stc40

4 жыл бұрын

@@dicktiger68 Diane Abbott and Anna Soubry.....🤣🤣🤣🤣 You'd get more sense and intelligence from my goldfish......!!!

@romeisfallingagain

4 жыл бұрын

anyone that votes for a female politician, quite frankly, deserves everything they get...

@LaggardlySort

4 жыл бұрын

Neither of them are fit to shine the shoes of either Jenkins or Powell

@MrDaiseymay

4 жыл бұрын

UNFAIR AND POINTLESS. MORE LIKE REES-MOGG AND BLIAR

Be a brave man who'd debate Powell - Professor of Classics age 25, then the youngest Brigadier in the British Army

@wutang6020

5 жыл бұрын

Richard Clarke yes and from a private to brigadier!

@th8257

4 жыл бұрын

You clearly know nothing about Roy Jenkins then. He himself was an intellectual giant, and consistently used to wipe the floor with Powell in parliament.

@th8257

4 жыл бұрын

@Vir Nobilis nope - Jenkins had the reputation of being the supreme parliamentary debater of his era and was famous for the way in which he totally punctured Powell in parliament. On one famous occasion, Powell had made one of his highly complex logical, "glass tower" arguments that he was famous for, and Jenkins crushed him by simply saying "since the right honourable gentlemen always starts with a false premise, he is always bound to come to the wrong conclusion." Powell famously disliked Jenkins intensely because of this. When asked whom he disliked more, Ted Heath or Roy Jenkins, he said "well, I don't want to punch Ted heath in the nose"

@weefeatures

4 жыл бұрын

@@th8257 "since the right honourable gentlemen always starts with a false premise, he is always bound to come to the wrong conclusion." A sophistic and vacuous statement unless the premise is proven to be incorrect. Stating something is wrong is not disproving it.

@christophmahler

3 жыл бұрын

@@weefeatures "Stating something is wrong is not disproving it (...)" Well refuted - whether Jenkins may have had valid arguments or not (as here, warning of monocausal and radical approaches). Today, public debate is solely based on _moralization_ of a position ("it's morally wrong") and personal attack, again based on _moralizations_ - as in the early phase of the French Revolution. The latter lead to civil war and Europe wide state war - before it was restored to a state, arguably less 'progressive' and succesful than during the late 'ancient regime'.

I just cant get enough of Enoch, always so sharp and clear

@GavinMorris1

5 жыл бұрын

And, on this subject, on absolutely the wrong side of the argument.

@rosecopard7082

5 жыл бұрын

I think he was one of Britain’s greatest men, absolutely brilliant.

@nilethomas3839

5 жыл бұрын

Also one of Britain's most racist and bigoted but okay

@GavinMorris1

5 жыл бұрын

@@nilethomas3839 How's your Urdu?

@nilethomas3839

5 жыл бұрын

Gavin Morris can’t speak a word, why?

It is magnificent to listen to these two men. What class, what knowledge, what intelligence, what command of the English language.

Yow honestly people back then talk with such class. No interrupting and unbiased interview.

Truly professional men debating in a civilised way. So different from nowadays where all this has been lost.

@adamtal7569

3 жыл бұрын

Possibly when indented truthful unbiased journalists ,were sacrificed for not having political bias....And Amanda Holden gets more headlines for what clothes she has worn in the last week,than any possible debate about e.g any just possibility of Erection Freudian Slip ..i doubt i can say anymore (eg 95% plus media donated to 1 us political party-& cover up laptop news) without being banned

@adamtal7569

3 жыл бұрын

16% of Biden voters said if they knew, would not have voted for him/Harris

2 pork chops and a tin of salmon. How we used to live.

@jamessales9047

3 жыл бұрын

What the fuck does this mean?

@lorrainegalletley9711

Жыл бұрын

Beans on toast

@tneita3166

Жыл бұрын

​@@jamessales9047 bubble &, squeak, or dripping & whatever,,,.

That old man wearing the cap commenting starting at 0:54 is the hero of the 1970s.

@humanforfreedom9583

4 жыл бұрын

“It’s gone up 6 pence!” Lol imagine if he saw today!!!!!!

@DJ_K666

4 жыл бұрын

@@humanforfreedom9583 Heh I wonder what you could have got for 6 pence in 1970. It was still old money back then, just about to change. 6 pence in 1970 is about £1 today

@LaggardlySort

4 жыл бұрын

Roight ol Naaarfolk boy he is

@user-ho4rv6kg8u

Ай бұрын

Almost looked like Ronald Fraser

What a breath of fresh air... Enoch the man! 👍🏻

Listen to this reminds us very painfully that we have declined enormously.

Ah, Great Britain. That ancient, proud nation that no longer exists.

@sammysouth8372

4 жыл бұрын

Dean Ah, Great Britain that sucker of the world’s blood that happily no longer exists.

@sammysouth8372

4 жыл бұрын

stephen morris what difference does it make? Remember the old saying the sun never sets on the fucking British Empire? No sir think of any trouble spot in the world and the blame can probably be blamed on English misdeeds.

@kloschuessel773

4 жыл бұрын

Dean yeah. Im german and i miss it. Sad days.

@duncanmiller1288

4 жыл бұрын

@@sammysouth8372 that sounds a bit wacist to me sonny

@adamtal7569

3 жыл бұрын

You mean the greatest empire/commonwealth of all time...that destroyed/disolved itself voluntarily to abolish slavery & single handed stood alone against axis National Socialism ?

Dear old 'Woy' Jenkins, patrician political failure bigtime but right at home in the EU with a massive expenses account, 4 hour lunches of lobster, truffle and the finest of cheeses washed gently down with, as he put it, "a fine Claret". Right at home. Sold his country for a bottle of wine. An English Politician. Enoch? One of the greatest. A giant versus a pigmy.

E Powell the best Prime Minster our Country never had.

@richardsharpe2966

3 жыл бұрын

How true

Enoch is an excellent listener, an amiable human being - as well as being an intellectual goliath compared to most, if not all, other politicians of his time ( and most definitely since ).

Nice to see two different views debated respectfully without bias and drama hype by the media. 'He hasn't opened his mouth on this yet' 'I haven't been invited too' Pure British class, so far from today's era

It is like a different world. One thing I notice is the naturalness and ease with which all three men use the language of the Bible...Satan rebuking sin and Cain's sin and heresy etc etc. Educated Englishmen - and all three were educated - were conversant with the basic outline of the Christian faith. Another thing is the courtesy with which they address each other..........as i say a totally different world. Enoch Powell, acerbic, deeply intelligent, a logician and a thinker would be unelectable and unwelcome now.

@th8257

4 жыл бұрын

Roy Jenkins was Welsh - he wasn't English

@adamtal7569

3 жыл бұрын

the only book i have by enoch powell is the one where he controvershally argures that Mathew was the primary gospel (contrary to more obvious Mark) Of course they could have been relatively concurrent & intermingled or Q? He wasnt really suited to politics,or perhaps voters prefer dishonest fakes & liars-USA is a step ahead in that i think... Alec Dougles Hume mentioned,shortly b4 losing election that TV would encourage best actors rather than politians-he looked terrible on Tv-like a skull.Radio audience thought nixon beat kennedy in debate -TV audiences opposite -Nixon too macho to wear make up.Nixon knew election fixed by Kennedys dad ,but for sake of his future relection or sake of country keep quite.i think there was a quote by Joe Kennedy saying that the amount he paid he was expecting a landslide!

I'm naturalized to a British citizen and I'm proud of it. I adore mr. Enoch Powell's.ideas

@lawrence142002

2 жыл бұрын

He would've had you sent back to wherever it was you came from, bud.

@eyesofthetiger3568

2 жыл бұрын

@@lawrence142002 That's fine mate..I'm from Europe and I didn't arrive to England by a dinghy! Thanks anyway 🇬🇧

@tneita3166

Жыл бұрын

​@@eyesofthetiger3568 Dinghy, umm, how is the peninsula, just asking,,,.

@eyesofthetiger3568

Жыл бұрын

@T Neita Ask that question to British Consulate mate who gave me the visa! Besides today, I was in central London. I bet you did not watch and celebrate King Charles.s Cornation!

@EgoShredder

9 ай бұрын

@@lawrence142002 Only non-White Europeans would have been refused to stay, which is fine if the ethnic culture, tradition and genetics of the nation come first and they should.

This is a fascinating discussion.

Roy Jenkins "He hasn't opened his mouth about this" Enoch Powell "I haven't been invited". I miss good manners as well as reasoned logical debate such as this.

Enoch Powell: The greatest Prime Minister that Britain never had. Singularly brilliant and a masterful statesman.

@unknownkingdom

2 жыл бұрын

Not if you are PoC, a woman. LGBTQ+, disabled, etc

@notsuretbh7215

2 жыл бұрын

Thank God he never did or would've had a chance to become at least Tory leader

@sorrysirmygunisoneba

Жыл бұрын

@@unknownkingdom what is a woman?

@tneita3166

Жыл бұрын

​@@sorrysirmygunisonebaaldor, you mean YOU don't know,,umm, Go & ask your MOTHER,if no answer then try this, WOMAN= A MENSTRUATING ,CHILD BEARING HUMAN BEING,,if by now you still don't know then maybe U R beyond help in that regard's,,,.

@richardwillford2418

9 ай бұрын

True. And the same could be said of Jenkins.

two intelligent, articulate politicians having a serious debate about serious issues. both made party political points but both men were clearly concerned about the problem under consideration. you have to respect their intellect even if you disagree strongly with them about causes and possible remedies. Hats off to the presenter for being willing to take a back seat and let them speak; how different to the ego driven presenters of today! But Robert Kee was always confident in his intellect and didn't feel the need to try and demonstrate it every two minutes!

That labour fella was sharp, both men were fantastic at debating, fantastic watch. 🇬🇧😍👍🏻

Enoch Powell was a very intelligent man and would have been A Great prime minister for Great Britain . We certainly would not be in this mess if we had listened to the Wise words of Enoch Powell. We would not have the Never ended Race battles we se constantly on our televisions

@jamesguy1030

5 жыл бұрын

Ishaan Rahman ~ Yeah, You make some very interesting points. if you haven’t already seen it before, Please check out the amazing documentary series called = “Europa The Last Battle” Part 5 is fascinating and Part 8 is mind blowing ! i hope that this explains what i meant by Racial conflict / Replacement

@_MrAvocado_

4 жыл бұрын

@@ishaanrahman9880 Why is Stomzy currently helping fellow blacks into Cambridge....doesn't he realise that all the people at Cambridge share the same "British values" as him. (a white person behaving in this way would, of course, be deemed a racist) Why can't he "move beyond race"? he can't for the same reason you care more about your family than mine even though we might have the same "values" this is because humans are tribal animals (Whites are actually the least tribal) it's why political parties field "diverse" candidates in "diverse" areas.

@southlondon86

3 жыл бұрын

I couldn’t agree more! If Powell had been PM this beautiful island would still be in the good old days of Jimmy Savile and Myra Hindley. But no! Look what the foreign filth has done! 😢

@adamtal7569

3 жыл бұрын

@@southlondon86 How many would you cover up for ,on a cost -benefit analysis?

I feel smarter having watched this. Watching two people who are true subject matter experts articulating the issues and where the problems are, and even where a path to resolution lies. Where they differ in opinion is debated and respected. Look at the Clown Circus that is politics today. So many politicians worldwide could learn so much from the way these chaps conduct themselves. The presenter is about asking relevant questions that are not loaded trying to push some preset ideology, and he does not interrupt either. Nor does he need to, Mr Powell and Mr Jenkins keep their answers on topic, succinct, and concise. Superb watching.

I'm so envious of the way things were back then the way people spoke and people debated the things that mattered, and it was shown in an unbiased manner, England was English proud of its culture and history and not full of immigrants no diversity muticultral problems that we face today the imported problem that we the British people never asked for or wanted. Enoch Powell was right and if only he had become prime minister could we of changed the atrocity Britain is today.

@mythinktube

5 жыл бұрын

I couldn’t agree more!!

This is like a stimulating exercise for the brain, watching these three characters speaking. I also immensely enjoyed seeing two politicians agreeing on points because they respected Truth, but also out of a sense of sporting fairness between two combatants. This whole aspect of English life and culture seems to be completely gone, and they are now replaced by actors, actors with vastly inferior intellects and diction. Though I'm an Irishman, and detested the barbarity of British rule over my forebears, (I am sorry, it had to be said), but I can easily admire this aspect of English people and culture; and so I take my hat off to these intellectual heavyweights, and the civilised, seemingly high morality and character they espoused. Though they may have been rogues, as is all too often the case with the politician, I don't know; but they struck me as very fine men of very fine character, and I truly wish that English culture and character had not changed so much, so VASTLY. Even their diction, which was so complex, allowing such beautiful precision; their metre, so nicely measured, and to include their intellect which, I believe, was as fine as could be found anywhere in the World, at any time. Their loss, this culture, is a sore loss to the World as a whole, to be replaced with multicultural, "diversity", and considerable mediocrity. I weep inside for this loss. It is as if Giants have left the World.

@jean6872

Жыл бұрын

I confess they left me behind. They appeared to know what they were talking about.

@Volgan16666

9 ай бұрын

@@jean6872 as it does every worthless behind that sits in Westminster today and for at least the last thirty years.

Powell. The greatest PM England never had.

@halfaworldaway

4 жыл бұрын

@@bobbytalksalot I would advise re-reading the comment.

@charlesrenniemacki

4 жыл бұрын

@@bobbytalksalot Yes, you've clearly missed the point Dragon Energy made, haven't you? Let me simplify it for you - Powell. The greatest Prime Minister England never had. Do you get it now???

@southlondon86

3 жыл бұрын

If only he had been PM. This beautiful country could still have kept those good old days of Jimmy Savile and Myra Hindley. 😢

They could form complete sentences way back when!

How good it is to see two very astute polticians in debate without interupting each other.

I wish I could go back and tell them to explain to them the horrors of London today

@dean1100110

5 жыл бұрын

@@ishaanrahman9880 We have more murders than New York and have you seen the gun laws in the US

2 very articulate men who know their stuff, please don’t bring an audience back to question time!

Back when the Pre-Thatcher inflation was the worst problem that Britain was facing.....

@humanforfreedom9583

5 жыл бұрын

It still is and it’s being purposefully done by the Bank of England

@Judewilkinsonjfk

5 жыл бұрын

I think you ought not to underestimate the seriousness of the economic circumstances in which they found themselves.

@NyalBurns

4 жыл бұрын

Humanforfreedom 95 no where near to the level is is today

@th8257

4 жыл бұрын

Inflation destabilised the whole economy. As Roy Jenkins rightly points out, it was the poorest people who suffered most from inflation.

@adamtal7569

3 жыл бұрын

@J LD i think at one point about25%..Relative prices can often be far more important than random basket of total prices.......e.g cost of basic food essentials ;cost of house/mortgage relative to wages.....There was a time in late 50s early 60s when a average working class man, perhaps skilled or perhaps older just promotion throu experience; could get a sometimes very low interst10r mortgage on a £1,000 house (i am sitting,sleeping on a 1963 all leather soffer that i was told cost £100 NEW-calm down ,i got it for free)...............................................In 1996 i & others moved into a £60,000 similar shared house rented-relatively cheap excellent value Honestly it was cheapest on market. Left /evicted after about 9 yrs having paid about £60,000 in rent ;& property worth increased in value to at least £120,000....Since then 15 yr later i guess those figures have more than doubled again..... When rent=mortgage how are u supposed to save for house, flat, or garage...i think i saved enough for a delux wheelie-bin........Good luck

Wow what a difference to the fools we have

Wow. Around 20:00 - Powell was exactly right about the efficacy of monetarism. But Jenkins is exactly right about the social cost of monetarism. We shall never see their like again.

@chrish2359

5 жыл бұрын

seanpennatgmail Indeed. Now we have Chris grayling and Diane Abbott. God help us

@adamtal7569

3 жыл бұрын

@J LD check out Mark Blyth (lefty) intelligent economist....with a sense of humour..& predictive power

@adamtal7569

3 жыл бұрын

@J LD What he recommended was as short term solution. (Hayak predicted long term stagflation several decades b4 happen! which was considered impossible by keynsians).. Schacht was for a time loved for his role in the German "economic miracle", A myth ( Ponzi scheme- only sustainable by warfare & stealing) only believed by extreme right & left

@adamtal7569

3 жыл бұрын

@@chrish2359 too cruel couldnt abbot be minister for mathematics & Defunding police

@adamtal7569

3 жыл бұрын

& only getting job cos black women who shags leader( thou she probably lost the last position) ....Dont worry i think USA 'arris may be copycat

How many political parties that slagged Enoch off, and threw as much mud as possible ,even though the people weren't even born at the time ,wish that he was their leader now . When you listen to his last statement, it makes a great deal of sense in that " you control your money".Enoch wasn't perfect and I think that he would never have said he was, and of course there are always two ways of looking at any topic ,but the more that you listen to him ,like him or not you must agree that he believed in his country and the people in it.

Looking back from 2020 it seems like Enoch Powell was a prophet.

So good to hear two politicians who can construct a sentence using the English language correctly during a sensible discussion. Unfortunately today’s politicians can just about string two words together when trying to cover up a complete lie.

Shopping that cost £1 more in 1970 is equal to about £20 more in 2024. No different now as it was then.

This is brilliant. Clear, intelligent thinking.

@stuzo666

Жыл бұрын

Really !

Fascinating how well they respect each other and have an intelligible conversation, and everything said so relevant even today. Inflation wipes out the middle classes. The richest become richer, and the poor become poorer. Back then 6% was 'serious' today (2023) it is over 10%! Governments must be restricted from printing money at will - it is a stealth tax that has delayed effect once it is balanced by the savings of the poor.

@EgoShredder

9 ай бұрын

The banks own and fund the governments though, infact they pretty much through their family dynasty bloodlines own everything in the entire world. To deal with the problem of usury, you need to remove those that want it there.

The accents are amazing.

@gemini802

Жыл бұрын

Old school

Christ, Powell's intelligence and charisma are both off the charts. It's nothing short of a tragedy that he never became Prime Minister.

From about 15 minutes in, you can clearly hear Enoch Powell closing in on a policy of monetarism - still a fairly obscure economic doctrine. Here he defends the Heath government, but when Heath did a u-turn it became the centre of his criticism.

@myroseaccount

5 жыл бұрын

Powell was a member of the Mont Pellerin society. Google it and you'll understand why he had this view and where it came from.

@DJ_K666

4 жыл бұрын

Also back then people were paid cash weekly via their pay packet (which was an actual packet i.e. an envelope handed to them every Friday) rather than directly to their bank account monthly.

@adamtal7569

3 жыл бұрын

not obscure at all (kind of wrongly redefined into political term slur of torys) Marx & Mao were monetarists-In very simple terms just means if eg have gold based currency & lots of gold discovered prices go up-same with fiat currency

@DBIVUK

3 жыл бұрын

@@adamtal7569 Monetarism isn't anything like obscure now, but it was in 1970.

Powell, as a classical liberal, understands that the increase in the money supply causes inflation. If he'd become PM we would live in a very different country- our economic recovery would have started years before Thatcher and we'd never have been dragged into the EU.

@fuckfannyfiddlefart

4 жыл бұрын

Classical liberal means state capitalist elitist. Screw powel and Thatcher, all they did was increase unemployment, destroy British industry, sell of the assets, and see the share of profit go entirely to the rich and retried.

@ian_b

4 жыл бұрын

​@@fuckfannyfiddlefart No it doesn't. And when Thatcher came into office, the post-war consensus economy was already a dead horse, which we had to stop flogging. And perhaps you should look at the effects of flooding the lower end of the employment market with cheap migrant labour which the Left love to do.

@lupinthethird5784

3 жыл бұрын

Powell was a classical conservative

@adamtal7569

3 жыл бұрын

@@fuckfannyfiddlefart& blair copied her polices! PPE to the max ,sold off NHS & rented back at ludicrous costs that future govt.s has to still pay(dont mention the war)

@jamsheadaziz3999

2 жыл бұрын

Two words you used Thatcher and economic recovery. Try telling that to the millions of workers whose jobs disappeared eg steel workers, car industry, ship yards, mining. Vast majority of workers were from northern England and Scotland, who were unemployed. 3 million unemployed. Riots breaking out all over England in '81. Dark times for thousands of families.

It' a brilliant discussion. Brian Walden also just died.....R.I.P

After this life is through for me, I would dearly love to sit with Leviathans like Powell and a small gathering of his peers, watching our abysmal attempts at political discussion shows and interviews, to hear these Giants' opinions on today's lot.

Jenkins sounds more like a Tory accent-wise. You’d never guess he was a miner’s son from South Wales. It’s what going to Oxford does to you.

@onetwo6064

4 жыл бұрын

Amanda Hughes very well said

@tomthetinker1024

4 жыл бұрын

Someone once remarked to Nye Bevan, born the next town over, that Roy Jenkins did not seem ambitious enough. Bevan replied that, "anyone who came from South Wales and taught themselves to speak like that is clearly very ambitious."

What a difference between the likes of Powell and Jenkins and the nonentities who are currently in charge.

They way they listen to each other is really something to watch

Would you believe that those interviews were on the streets of London? What a place it was once.

POWELL is the only member of parliament that told the truth (and he got sacked for telling the truth)

Two great politicians interviewed by a great broadcaster

Not one of our current MP’s have half the intelligence of these 2

@MrDanielfff777

3 жыл бұрын

JRM

@simongaines7347

3 жыл бұрын

I doubt the current parliament in it's entirety could match either of them for intellect or articulacy.

@trtr9626

3 жыл бұрын

@@simongaines7347 agreeed

All Mr Powell ever set out to do was to protect and maintain all our proper British values and heritage ,...and not lose our identity and British nationals

Imagine Diane Abbott trying to hold her own against such sharp minds and experts in articulation- she wouldn't last 2 minutes.

@mkkravist11

2 жыл бұрын

…..they’d be white, privileged and racist within 10 seconds.

@paulinekeppey6105

Жыл бұрын

30 seconds

@karenfaulkner5922

Жыл бұрын

2 seconds🙃

@MarkRyanSchulz

Жыл бұрын

She'd just call them racists and then pretend that all their statements are stupid and beneath her.. and her constituents would think she showed them and continue to vote for her. It's not the quality of the politicians that has declined; it is merely symptomatic of the decline of the average British voter - just as Powell predicted.

@jean6872

Жыл бұрын

Racism and misogyny is no argument.

Those who the gods wish to destroy, they first make mad. And we must be. EP has and will always be pondered and studied, it falls to those who know he was correct to act now.

Intelligent politicians..........aah yes, I remember them.

My earliest memories of news programmes in New Zealand had broadcasters speaking with the same accent, diction. They were politically neutral, respectful, civil, as were their interview subjects (political leaders). Intellectual discussion. We truly have long passed the pinnacle of civilisation where one respected the rule of law and its institutions. I feel we are witnessing the extinction of British culture and values (my ancestry). This is now a minority. It is time to bring it back, or are we all going to let it die? What hope for civilisation then?

Every time I watch and listen to Enoch Powell videos, I seem to agree with everything I hear and everything I see.

@th8257

4 жыл бұрын

You poor soul. Fancy being transfixed by an eccentric from an increasingly distant past. Perhaps you'd be better spending your time in the modern world

@adamtal7569

3 жыл бұрын

@@th8257 do u think his ,at the time his outragious estimats of immigration were an ovrstimate or underestimate (sadly some racists can abuse facts)

These were the halcyon days when the media, and opposition MPs, gave each other the respect and the time to get their point across.

The scriptwriters of “Yes Minister” didn’t have far to look for their inspiration. One of the best shows ever produced for tv. Never surpassed.

We can easily judge whether Jenkins or Powell policies were successful from todays perspective :-) Enoch you were a prophet...

Can you imagine a UK Labour politician today speaking up for ordinary people and repudiating inflation as Jenkins does in this video? Or a Tory pointing out the folly of his own government's inflationary policies? There's no politician of the calibre of a Jenkins or a Powell in Britain today.

@evilcraftknife5705

11 ай бұрын

They didn't live in a world of mass media and soundbites. They could afford to be honest.

Politicians with principles. I'm old enough to remember this

Really enjoyed watching that.

Even if you disagree with these men, they are grown ups when it comes to debate as is the interviewer, today's mp should take note.

I only recently found out that Jenkins served as a code breaker during the war. I wonder if he worked with Turing?

Enoch Powell - what a first-class mind. You can nearly see the gears turning.

There is an opportunity to hear Enoch Powell discuss prices and incomes policy and the relationship between inflation and unemployment, on which he was cut short in this programme, in Firing Line with William F Buckley from February 1974

When ITV used to produce serious programmes instead off wall to wall soaps and reality shows with celebrities at it does now.

Not just a winter of discontent but an autumn, spring and summer as well.

Two highly intelligent men have a serious conversation in a very articulate way, unlike what you would get today, I have nothing but respect for Mr Powell.

Powell was right about monetary policy.

@mr.mayhem7402

Ай бұрын

So was Milton Friedman, who won the Nobel prize for this economic theory, although Hayek still considered him a Keynesian. Both were eventually proved to be right: if a government spends more money than it raises in revenue, it will either have to raise taxes or borrow to bridge the deficit. If tries to square the circle by printing money (EG "quantative easing") to repay that it has borrowed to keep taxes low, money loses value in the form of inflation. "The Incomes Policy" - government trying to control prices and wages to manage inflation is a symptom of the disease, which is printing more money to borrow more money to pay government expenditure that taxation could never afford in the first place. It's simple, really. No one needs a Nobel prize in Economics or Powell's intelligence to understand it. Roy Jenkins understands it. The difference is that Powell was being honest, and Jenkins was not. As Orwell said: "We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men."

Could you imagine politicians in debates today being that respectful of each other today?

Clear voices

Enoch Powell was an OG Monetarist I know Thatcher and Nigel Lawson later on were more important in actually adjusting Britain to a low inflation economy permanently from a monetary standpoint. But those ideas wouldn't have been possible without Powell and Keith Joseph talking about it first in the 60s and 70s

@adamtal7569

3 жыл бұрын

Technically ,speaking purely as an economist ,so were Marx & even the Leninist Mao. ~(Dont know what OG means) but basically lso economically Monetarists.........Also please check out Mark Blyth (a lefty) political economist whom i admire

Both Jenkins and Powell are two of the great nearly men of British politics. Both could have been Prime Minister had they played their hand differently but perhaps it makes them more interesting that they didn’t quite make it. Amazing to think at this point in time Jenkins, an ultra liberal intellectual type with elitist tastes and an unwavering commitment to European integration was one of the most popular politicians in Britain. Hard to see someone like that having such support in the UK in 2022.

0:53 I want this man to be my grandfather....

What a brilliant discussion between opposing party members. I wish this was possible today.

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