🔗 Related Answer: ▸ Hanafi: islamanswers.co.uk/question/is-global-moon-sighting-the-position-of-the-hanafi-madhab islamanswers.co.uk/question/are-the-calculations-of-astronomers-considered-for-moonsighting ▸ Shafi'i: islamanswers.co.uk/question/what-is-considered-local-region-for-moonsighting islamanswers.co.uk/question/how-is-a-lunar-month-established-in-the-shafi-madhab

Jazak’Allah khair brothers for this talk. 😊

SubhaanAllah, just like the world 🌎 doesn’t pray Isha nor Fajr nor Dhuhr at the same time, how can the entire dunya observe Ashura at the same time. It’s impossible. Some place have a 14 hour time difference! Surely Allah, subhaanahu wata’ala, and his Messenger, sallallahu alayhe wassalam, knew this. 😊

As salaamu alaikum, From what I’ve come to know, Saudi only does actual sightings for the 4 sacred months. If they have a committee specifically for sighting the moon every month, then how come they (the committee themselves) never announce it? Why is it always this “High Judicial Council” that announces it? Also, do they really adjust their calendar when it is seemingly at odds with verifiable regional sightings?

@IslamAnswers

Жыл бұрын

Wa alaykumu salaam, I believe the Shayukh have addressed your points in the video but I'll reiterate. We are not government officials or speaking on behalf of Saudi government, but based on our own experience and findings, sightings do take place every month. For example, Majmah University Astronomical Observatory (@mu_observatory), headed by Shaykh Abdullah Al-Khudairi who's an expert in the field, which announces their findings publicly and reports back to the judicial authority and government. Furthermore, it is superior for a judicial system to announce the moonsighting after witnesses provide their testimony to the judge. Finally, yes, they really do adjust their calendar and have done so in the past. You can monitor for yourself and you'll see most of the time it doesn't change but around 25% of time it does.

It would be really good if the video was converted to an illustrated video to help people understand and see the differences of opinions. For example the distances for the regional sighting..

@haroonhaladh8619

3 ай бұрын

why don't you make one for the ummah

@shahzebsultan9854

3 күн бұрын

there are such videos out there you just have to look for it, the key words are moon, ummah, time zone, global, ikhtilafe e mutla.

What about scientific sighting using technology to predict when moon will be in horizon??

@IslamAnswers

Жыл бұрын

As-salaamu alaykum, there was discussion on using scientific calculations, please see the timestamps. Written answer is also available, please see the description box/ pinned comment.

@TheHanafiCat

Жыл бұрын

@@IslamAnswers Jazakhallah khair May Allah bless you and your team

Assalaamu alaykum warahmatullaah, if it’s clear and easy resolved, then why do we have this “war” as your described, each year? Lastly, what did Allah’s Messenger, sallallahu alayhe wassalam, say? Doesn’t Allah’s messenger supersede all other opinions?

@IslamAnswers

Жыл бұрын

Wa alaykumu salaam wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh. I believe your questions have been answered by the Shayukh in the video. Just to reiterate, people can't seem to understand the concept of valid difference of opinion which leads to these debates each year. The valid difference (global vs. local) is based upon what the Prophet ﷺ‎ said. For more on respecting valid difference of opinion: kzread.info/dash/bejne/qYth3KepXZPbp9I.html islamanswers.co.uk/question/how-to-respect-difference-of-opinion/

In terms of reliability, how do you rely on Saudi Arabia knowing they are ruled and government by literealists and people who are known to have the incorrect 3aqeedah? And to follow someone, you have to deem them as reliable? So, what do you define as a reliable Muslim?

@IslamAnswers

Жыл бұрын

I will ask Shaykh to address this tomorrow in our Q&A tomorrow. Feel free to join if you want to discuss further: kzread.info/dash/bejne/oK5tyKdsgJCuY7A.html

I just want to make a point. All the rules of our beautiful religion can be applied anywhere and in any situation. For global moonsighting to be adhered to then you need technology. By default this isn’t inclusive and hence can’t be applied. If global moonsighting was a concept, the man in the city and the man in the jungle would be able to apply this.

@IslamAnswers

Жыл бұрын

Your point conflicts with Hadith, opinions from Sahabah and the Hanafi Madhab. Please join us on our live Q&A with the Shayukh this Sunday, where you can discuss this further with them.

@RR-vg5hg

Жыл бұрын

@@IslamAnswers can you bring the Hadith you say contradicts the person’s opinion? Instead you running away to Q&A

@fimsty

Жыл бұрын

My point doesn’t conflict with Hadith, and if you feel it does, please provide references. It appears that you’re shying away from providing any form of reference and the audience can see this. So to explain, the Hadith for sighting the moon applies whether you’re in a jungle or in a city whereby you can ascertain 29/30 days of a month based on physical sighting. To implement the concept of global moon-sighting, you NEED technology and this in itself is not an inclusive rule. You can apply this concept to many religious aspects.

@RR-vg5hg

Жыл бұрын

@@fimsty that’s a great point about global moon sightings can only be possible with latest technology, whereas the Sunnah can be implemented anywhere with the God given eyes, SubHanALLAH

@IslamAnswers

6 ай бұрын

This was addressed in our Moonsighting Live Q&A. Please check it out.

Would they have travelled from a country as far as the distance between saudi and uk within a few hours to announce eid? (assuming the fastest mode of transport was a horse) if they couldn't travel that far in that time in that day and age, can you then claim this hadith favours "global" sighting? Intriguing topic.

@IslamAnswers

Жыл бұрын

It is not our personal claim. Global sighting is the opinion of the majority of scholars including those of the Hanafi, Maliki and Hanbali Madhab. Also, if you say you cannot use a Hadith unless it precisely fits your exact circumstances, then you will end up rejecting many blessed Hadith narrations.

@abdullahassaffah

Жыл бұрын

​​@@IslamAnswers if you read the fatwa of the madhab then you would know that all madhab differed within the madhab on this issue where ultimately the majority went on to agree local sighting is correct. Second is the hanafi madhab doesn't say global sighting what the madhab says is if the country is local nearby such as bangladesh India Pakistan or the Arabian countries then global in this context would he allowed however bangladesh wouldn't for example follow England as per hanafi madhab because the countries are too far from each other so the global sighting fatwa for them if you read is not in the co text being claimed here Kurayb repoted: I came to Syria and tended to my needs. The crescent of Ramadan appeared over me while I was in Syria and I saw it on Friday, then I came to Medina at the end of the month. Abdullah ibn Abbas, may Allah be pleased with him, asked me about it and I mentioned the crescent. Ibn Abbas said, “When did you see it?” I said, “We saw it on Friday night.” Ibn Abbas said, “You saw it?” I said, “Yes, people saw it and they fasted, as did Mu’awiyah.” Ibn Abbas said, “But we saw it on Saturday night, so we will continue fasting until we complete thirty days or we see it.” I said, “Is it not enough that Mu’awiyah saw it and he fasted?” Ibn Abbas said, “No, such was the command of the Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him.” Source: Ṣaḥīḥ Muslim 1087 Grade: Sahih (authentic) according to Muslim Al-Tirmidhi said, “The people of knowledge act upon this tradition, that the people of every land have their own moon sighting.” Source: Sunan al-Tirmidhī 693 This hadith also made matters more clear

@IslamAnswers

Жыл бұрын

That is not what the position of the Hanafi Madhab, please see the links in the pinned comment. If you would like to discuss further, please join our next live Q&A.

@abdullahassaffah

6 ай бұрын

​@@IslamAnswershow did Muslim of the past do global moonsighting they didn't have telephone Internet to send instant messages they would have to travel from one country to another which would take days weeks month hence it would be impossible to do global moonsighting and local sighting would be a must Also hadith of kurayb radiallahuanhu further proves this where they did local sighting not global and in abbas radiallahuanhu said global sighting is not from the sunnah Alama Zai’la’ee (from among the latter Hanafi Jurists) states, “The opinion of the Hanafi scholars is that the sighting of far-off places and areas which, have different time zones will not be considered. Only the sightings of those areas which share the same time zones are accepted”. (Tab’yeenul-Haqaaiq) Asia Europe America are not in The same time zones

@abdullahassaffah

6 ай бұрын

The madhabs were referring to let's say England and Scotland can fast on the same day banglades Pakistan can because their time zone is same or similar

Assalamu Alaikum, there's no volume on the video.

@IslamAnswers

Жыл бұрын

Wa alaykumu salaam. Audio is working, confirmed on multiple devices. Perhaps there is an issue with your device.

@kawsarahmed2924

Жыл бұрын

@@IslamAnswers okay JazakAllahu Khairan

What if two global sightings contradict in Muslim world?

@IslamAnswers

Жыл бұрын

I think you've misunderstood what is meant by following global sighting brother. If an official announcement is made of moonsighting anywhere in the world, you follow it as per the Hanafi Madhab.

@shammasmohammed1126

Жыл бұрын

@Islam Answers Sorry what I meant was for example Morocco sight the moon and Mauritania do not see it? Are we saying in this instance a sighting takes precedence over non sighting or can we choose which country to follow

@IslamAnswers

Жыл бұрын

In this example, you would start Ramadan with Morocco if you're following the Hanafi Madhab, as it has been sighted somewhere in the world (global sighting).

@shammasmohammed1126

Жыл бұрын

@Islam Answers And if Mauritania see it and morocco did not see it then we follow Mauritania correct?

@IslamAnswers

Жыл бұрын

Yes, that would be following global sighting

Please explain when you say global sighting when a moon is sighted in Americas or Argentina 12 hours time difference we in Europe or Asia How can you do eid on same day

@IslamAnswers

Жыл бұрын

Please do review the videos and answers on this topic as this has been addressed. Firstly, a moonsighting in Americas would not be valid since you require a Qadhi to verify the moonsighting. Hypothetically speaking, if a country in the Americas was Muslim and they sighted the moon which was then verified and established, other Muslim countries would have to follow it per global sighting. If they received this news at a point which is too late to pray the Eid Salah, then they would follow the example of the Prophet ﷺ in the Hadith of Ibn Majah. They would stop fasting, and they would pray Eid the following day. For this reason, it is correct to say that global sighting would make Eid day the same for everybody, though some may end up praying Eid Salah on the following day as narrated in the Hadith itself.

how did Muslim of the past do global moonsighting they didn't have telephone Internet to send instant messages they would have to travel from one country to another which would take days weeks month hence it would be impossible to do global moonsighting and local sighting would be a must

@IslamAnswers

6 ай бұрын

This point was addressed in our Moonsighting Live Q&A. Please check it out.

@abdullahassaffah

4 ай бұрын

​​@@IslamAnswersno it wasn't it was just waffling as usual and if they did then address here what was their exact statement because they were just all over the place making irrelevant points

@abdullahassaffah

23 күн бұрын

So explain here how was global moon sighting done by the salaf when it took them months weeks days to travel from one country to another

The biggest fitna is the authenticity of the sightings.

Poor sheikhs can't get out of the sectarian amd personality mind set, has to be Hanafi this and Hanafi that. No wonder the Muslims can't do anything together.

@IslamAnswers

2 ай бұрын

Did you even watch the video? One is Hanafi the other is Shafi and they are saying both are valid and we shouldn't make it a sectarian issue.

@muslamicknight9621

2 ай бұрын

@@IslamAnswers You didn't get the point.... sad level we've reached. You don't want sectarianism but you offer only sects whether 1 or 2 or 3. Realities change, and have done so dramatically since 1400 years... we have electronics now for Gods sake...those old "principles" of fiqh haven't kept up and sound so off, but I guess in your echo chambers you won't hear it.

@IslamAnswers

2 ай бұрын

I directly addressed what you wrote brother. You made it out like they were saying it had to be Hanafi position. It seems you're now saying we should add things into Islam because this will reduce sectarianism somehow. We're not offering sects, we're offering valid difference of opinions that are derived from Quran and Sunnah. We stick to what the Quran and Sunnah allows us and not give it updates like other religions. Please explain what exactly hasn't "kept up and sounds so off" so I can get the Shayukh to respond.

@muslamicknight9621

2 ай бұрын

@@IslamAnswers Sorry your responses are very poor. Honestly I don't think you will be able to put anything to any sheikh. When one derives an understanding from the sources, it is not adding something to Islam, it is also Islam. Your sheikh's understanding insists on restricting to a particular school(s) and can't think out of this box. The Quran and the Sunnah do not deal with issues like technology or science, rather religious edicts for a particular time and place. Try understanding this simple point and you will see how off the track you seem.

@IslamAnswers

2 ай бұрын

Since I'm not "able to put anything to any sheikh", please join the our next live Q&A with Shayukh so you can put it directly to them. I hope to see you there.