I like how they managed to humanize Belos as a villain without making him outright sympathetic or tragic. "Hollow Mind" and "Thanks To Them" gave us enough insight into his past to give us a good enough idea why he became what he is while also making it clear that he is still responsible for his own actions and that he is just plain evil regardless of the excuses he tries to make up.

@carolinavelluto

Жыл бұрын

Belos is a very good villain. Well written one indeed . His story explain him but doesn’t give any justification for his actions . He chose to be that way ! And I really love that … I missed a complex and still a pure evil villain in a story .

@matthewmccoyd2578

Жыл бұрын

Fitting that they humanized him by portraying him as a zealous bigot who's too self-righteous for his and everyone else's good.

@Roark787

Жыл бұрын

Belos as a villain is on par with Handsome Jack from Borderlands.

@sizar9003

Жыл бұрын

@@carolinavelluto what so complex about it?

@pandabanaan9208

11 ай бұрын

yeah it is really cool, as much as I do like them a lot of hateable villains fall into being over the top evil like they are spawns of satan, now those people do exist like serial killers but I think belos is so well done because despite being in irredeemable monster he still feels like an actual human with emotions, he's allowed to feel more emotions then just being a cruel monster wich makes him feel a lot more real then most irredeemable villains

The most terrifying aspect of his character is the fact that he's human. We're used to seeing demons and brainwashed villains in Disney while Belos is one of the few human villains with moral agency. It's easy to imagine a person like him existing irl. He had so many chances to redeem himself, even after murdering Caleb,but he choose not to. Ironically turning into the very thing he despised.

@Roark787

Жыл бұрын

You could be exactly similar to him and not even realize it.

@nathancaldwell5443

11 ай бұрын

@@Roark787 Not even he can realize what he's become.

@JurassicReptile

6 ай бұрын

Aren't most Disney villains human? I have no idea what you mean by demons and brainwashed villains.

@pinzokiyama3387

5 ай бұрын

⁠@@JurassicReptilein recent, most of them aren’t human, and on various ranges of “can’t trust something that evil-looking.” As for brainwashing, I guess OP meant as in manipulated or victimized by someone on a greater scale.

@tntguy7915

4 ай бұрын

​@@JurassicReptile Bill cypher for the first one but I have no idea about the second one Edit Darcy from amphibia

Emperor Belos is really a breath of fresh air for Disney series villains. He's legitimately scary and intimidating, he's terrifying realistic since people with his levels of hate and manipulation abilities do exist in real life, and he comes dangerously close to accomplishing his goals not just once, but twice! That's a really good villain there.

@JA9339

2 ай бұрын

Sometimes you don’t need to make a villain sympathetic. Sometimes you can just make them evil and let them be evil

@majormccoy2659

2 ай бұрын

@@JA9339 Right. The Owl House already has sympathetic villain characters, so it was nice to see a few characters who were just straight up evil.

Some villains become at least more understandable when their backstories are shown, but in Belos' case, every revelation about his motives and who he was as a human just makes him WORSE.

@lynnviolet9839

4 ай бұрын

I love him for that fr...

@nativeoutdoors1780

4 ай бұрын

He's based as Frick though

@pinzokiyama3387

4 ай бұрын

Same goes for Rose Quartz and she wasn’t even a villain😂

@blindn1nj4

4 ай бұрын

So you think Frollo from the hunchback has a backstory that'll make his rapey vibes more relatable?

@pinzokiyama3387

4 ай бұрын

@@blindn1nj4 he said *some* villains become relatable, not all. I’m sure Frollo has a backstory that makes him even *worse* in context.

You know you're some level of useless when even Philip/Belos doesn't even think you're worthy of being possessed

@zacglover3345

11 ай бұрын

Even belos has standards

@pokemagetech

4 ай бұрын

@@zacglover3345 He has high standards, he’s just evil.

This is how you write a pure evil character. Great Job Dana.

@kaysrandomchannel4618

6 ай бұрын

​@@SupasmartguyOver a fictional character?

@Hexsmasher2099

5 ай бұрын

@@Supasmartguyseriously man…?

@BigK13372

4 ай бұрын

@@SupasmartguyDude, what. Like I fucking hate Joffrey and cheered at his inevitable death like everyone else, but I would never want harm to the absolute cinnoman roll that is Jack Gleeson

@Jellyfishsea_lover

4 ай бұрын

​@@Supasmartguy broski mad over a fictional character tf bro 💀💀???

@madeinheaven7125

3 ай бұрын

​@@Supasmartguywho

One thing I love about Belos that Many haven't pointed out: he gets to be the main villain of the series from the beginning to the end of it. He's established as the big bad since S1, and remains as such until the finale, even after the introduction of the Collector. Many shows don't reveal the final boss before later seasons (or they reveal it but they don't establish it as the final boss until a later season).

@Flarflenugen

4 ай бұрын

And most of the mini-baddies we have all work under him in some way, so even when not dealing with belos, they were dealing with belos. And it sets it up that hes got better things to do. His minions might be petty, but hes got a plan, and that is goal 1 on his list. What luz was up to didnt have much in the way of importance

@pinzokiyama3387

3 ай бұрын

Heh, if this was like an anime like Dragon Ball or Beyblade, Belos, the antagonist with actual evil intentions, would just be killed and replaced by the Collector, the antagonist that just aimlessly does anything against people. I’m so used to an antagonist controlling someone more powerful (and either more stupid or innocent) than them and getting axed and replaced once that pawn realizes they don’t need them to be in control that they definitely tricked me at the end of S2, so it’s very satisfying they didn’t bother with that trope.

@bosskaiju4834

Ай бұрын

@@pinzokiyama3387 I don't understand the comparaison, in anime the final antagonist are often the worst ones in terms of morality; for example, in Dragon Ball Z, Frieza, Cell and Kid Buu are the villains who come after Vegeta, and they are way worse than him

@pinzokiyama3387

Ай бұрын

@@bosskaiju4834 Vegeta was a “tragic” henchman to Frieza the genocidal imperialist, so it was a fair succession. Dr. Gero had the actual evil plans, but 17 and 18 didn’t care since they were powerful teenagers and hated him and Cell was an omnicidal perfectionist. Babidi had the same issue like Gero, being boss to a child-minded creature with candy powers that took over because he was being mistreated. So child-minded his final form can only grunt and howl. Belos wanted to exterminate the witches, The Collector just wanted play time. The Collector may have been a threat, but if anyone decided that they somehow needed to take over for someone who was actually evil, the story would crumble.

13:55 In his final moments, Belos showed how pathetic he truly was.

@juanrisa945

5 ай бұрын

"Y'know? In their last moments, people show you who they truly are".

@boxman7044

5 ай бұрын

I mean to be fair, what else are you supposed to do in that scenario?

@TheMC1102

5 ай бұрын

@@boxman7044 You can take what little dignity you have left and accept your fate.

@boxman7044

5 ай бұрын

@@TheMC1102 pffft dignity doesn’t mean shit when you’re dying. How many people in REAL LIFE have you seen “die with dignity”? It always looks horrible because…. It’s death. It’s the end and its in mortal nature to avoid and resist it at all cost. Like when you see someone struggle with all they have to live or beg how is it any different? Both are dying and doing what it takes to survive. I’m more impressed that he was that composed at deaths door. Why have a hierarchy of what’s nobler in the mind with survival?

@quinnfletcher3906

4 ай бұрын

Stephen king stated that from a distance evil looks alluring and imposing but when you get face to face with it you find out it is actually pathetic.

Although we hate him you gotta respect the fact that he was a great antagonist that’s not very common in modern day storytelling every villain is misunderstood or a twist this guy was just plain evil and almost wiped out an entire race because of his desire to be the hero definitely one of my favorite villains and I hope we see more written like him in the future.

@MeNormalDefMe

Жыл бұрын

100% agree, Belos is just a menace

@christopherrichards2350

Жыл бұрын

Agreed!

@metaprimefandoms9763

Жыл бұрын

I don’t think he is simply evil I think he is the same as Thanos, complicated and believes what he does is right no matter how others view it

@Roark787

Жыл бұрын

@@metaprimefandoms9763 "Complicated and believes what he does is right no matter how others view it" Truly the best description for humanity in general.

@metaprimefandoms9763

Жыл бұрын

@@Roark787 thats humanity, complicated and complex and everyone has the capability to do evil and everyone is somewhat hateful.

Belos is a far bigger threat to humanity then the witches: the human realm he grew up in is very different than the modern one. He would probably hate it and become obsessed with changing it back to how it was in his day, probably through extreme violence and a hostile takeover.

@alexanderdragonheart2036

8 ай бұрын

Indeed. From what I’ve noticed in both real live and fiction when it comes to bad traits in dangerous people. The old saying “Birds of a feather flock together.”, rings true. So I’ve come to believe people should take into consideration what other kind of thoughts they might have on something if they have a bad idea about one.

@quinnfletcher3906

4 ай бұрын

No, he is nothing if not adaptive. He would probably find a way to prosper in our world. Heck to be honest he is a saint compared to most people on the UN.

@kingcamelot1395

4 ай бұрын

​@@quinnfletcher3906To survive and propser, yes. But even then, he would be secretly plotting to bring humanity back to the Salem times.

@quinnfletcher3906

4 ай бұрын

Which is the goal of several middle eastern countries. I imagine he will use the Arabs just like he used the people of the isles. @@kingcamelot1395

@basilofgoodwishes4138

3 ай бұрын

​@@quinnfletcher3906He doesn't need to use the Arabs for that goal specifically, since not even they cannot agree to anything. Even so, it would be smarter to use the or American far right and Russia, they are more powerful and superstitious enough to obey him! China would just let him do what he wants, they are malleable.

What I love about Belos is how many villain forms he takes as a character. We see him in the first season as the mysterious masked tyranical ruler, we can only guess what lures behind that mask, all we get is a blue flaming eye and mud like tentacle outbursts. Then we see him as an older kind looking man with long hair, like some kind of wise mentor, we see him as Phillip, a 16th century chap that reminds me of Charles Darwin with long beard and the curiosity of an adventurer and a explorer. In the episode in which Luz and Hunter are in his mind we get the creepy little Horror kid trope with Belos as a child wearing a mask, then we see his mudlike straight up monster form resembling a fucked up swamp-Wendigo, which was hintet at with his outbursts, in that form he is straight up an animalistic beast, hunting its prey. Then we also see him in his for him normal clothes. He is an old man with ponytail and nice uniform from the colonial times, we see him as just an arrogant and evil but stylish and classy gentleman villain. And then his final form which I dont think we need to talk about. Belos is awesome.

@user-fd5nz5lo7m

4 ай бұрын

And then he turns into a freaking zombie-dragon!

@nobodys_here07

4 ай бұрын

​​@@user-fd5nz5lo7mAnd then he ends up a pile muck

@WishBone-ht2mx

3 ай бұрын

@@user-fd5nz5lo7mAnd finally, in his last moments, a pathetic old man convinced that all of his atrocities were for the “greater good.”

Bro had a huge castle, his own personal army, wealth, respect from many, huge amounts of land under his control and he threw it all away for religion and outdated beliefs. Damn Belos/Philip were living good.

@Hank_wimbleton_2002

9 ай бұрын

And with that much control, he would have been able to carry out his genocide in different ways instead of simply waiting waaaay too many years for a spell that he didn't even know how to stop if it failed. It could have had a more dictatorial regime like the USSR during Joseph Stalin's time where they sent people to their Gulags, which were inhumane prisons, or it could even have made a plan to starve the population like Stalin did with forced collectivization from 1932-1933 I mean, it could have been a quicker way to carry out genocide. Or not?

@josuecollazo5609

5 ай бұрын

​@Dark_killerman con el riesgo de rebelión?

@ivanexell-uz4mv

5 ай бұрын

@@Hank_wimbleton_2002 👍

@Hank_wimbleton_2002

5 ай бұрын

@@josuecollazo5609 Si Philip hubiese conseguido mas poder del que ya tenia, exterminar a sus opositores habria sido facil y poco preocupante para el peeeero todos sabemos quien obtuvo un power up todo op y se lo chingo con facilidad

@josuecollazo5609

5 ай бұрын

@@Hank_wimbleton_2002 buen punto, tienes razón pero si en lugar de orquestar un genocidio pintado de la entrada al paraíso hubiera matado brujas a diestra y siniestra no hubiera podido con los restantes, Belos no es tan poderoso, por ello la manipulación.

I love how the show didn’t sugar coat how much of a terrible evil person he was. The more they revealed about his backstory and how he was human showed just how terrible of a monster he was. I love watching a good villain, get their karma

@pinzokiyama3387

4 ай бұрын

Don’t forget to add that it was *limited* context, too. All we saw were some memories and a puppet show for his backstory and yet it was clear as day that even if they were allowed to add more, it wouldn’t undo what Belos always was. At least it wasn’t like SU where the Diamonds clearly did awful things, but said actions were apparently too ambiguous for nothing higher than just undergoing authority reform and crying about being called out for being bad people.

Absolutely loved Emperor Belos/Philip Wittebane, he was by far the best (and darkest) villain we've got in an aniamted series, and in a Disney series no less!

@BigJackHorner2023

Жыл бұрын

*cough cough* Bill Cipher *cough cough*

@xanderscookingschool1497

11 ай бұрын

@@BigJackHorner2023 That's arguable.

@FilmReactor

11 ай бұрын

@@BigJackHorner2023bill cipher may be a psychotic lunatic Hes number one And belos is number 2 Howevor bill never attempted mass genocide He only tried to kill a few kids And he kept his word Belos is plain evil Planeed to kill everyone

@Supasmartguy

11 ай бұрын

​@@xanderscookingschool1497the show's expanded universe reveals that Bill destroyed his home dimension and murdered his entire species, including his own family, all basically out of boredom.

@xanderscookingschool1497

11 ай бұрын

@@Supasmartguy Yes, I know that. But to call him Disney's best and darkest villain is still debatable.

He’s a truly reprehensible person, but also one of the most believable villains I’ve ever seen. The show offers such a concise but fascinating exploration of narcissism and bending your reality to make yourself a hero

@pokemagetech

4 ай бұрын

And zealotry.

"If you really want to help- go find a hole, to wither away in." THE FIRST TIME I HEARD THAT, MY JAW DROPPED.

@ec_fandomcollecter

4 ай бұрын

"Oh shut up" made me laugh watching that episode 💀.

Obligatory "you're an irredeemable monster" comment. In all seriousness, if that joke applies to anyone, it would be Belos.

@SukunaIsHim

Жыл бұрын

Yes and also bill cipher,cell,Frieza,madara,doflamingo,Dio Brando,yoshikage Kira and especially Shou tucker

@MPHJackson7

Жыл бұрын

The main difference is where Jack Horner would say "What took you so long, idiot?", Belos would say "Can't reason with crazy".

@Flarflenugen

4 ай бұрын

​@@MPHJackson7exactly. Jack knew he was a pos, and didnt care. Belos thinks hes the hero, and anyone who disagrees is a villian. Both are good characters

@dr.mixer8930

3 ай бұрын

But one is a delusional sadistic bastard and there is jack horners

@Morales3088

3 ай бұрын

And also almost every old Disney villain

Hate him as a person, respect him for his skill.

I still can’t believe that Disney can’t write a real villain anymore when they have legitimate threat that you love to hate like Belos and they just cut the serie short instead of learning.

@tunebeat3809

2 ай бұрын

Doesn't help that Disney executives and their allies are probably villains as well.

He is litterally the best villian ive ever seen , the fact he has no remorse for what hes done is so perfect and the fact even in his last moments hes still trys to find a way to blame sombody else , and the fact that hes human ,not a monster or like a villian with loads of trauma, hes just straight up evil and by far my favorite character , hes also a character that fears anything he cant controll as said by papa titan, he represents humanity and imagining him as a real life person would not be difficult and it really shows how evil people can be when they get power over other people

@Supasmartguy

10 ай бұрын

Bill Cipher was better. He was far more unique, memorable, and entertaining to watch, not to mention infinitely more powerful and dangerous, and actually just as irredeemable and evil as Belos: the show's expanded universe reveals that he has murdered likely quadrillions of innocent beings, including his own family and entire species.

@giselafonseca6656

5 ай бұрын

Agreed

@user-lp8im7ow8s

4 ай бұрын

Darth Vader too

@florinaslan5482

4 ай бұрын

​@Supasmartguy what makes belos more hated than Bill is that Belos is self righteous while Bill is honest about evil

@joaquinuribealmonacid6948

2 ай бұрын

​@@Supasmartguy bill no es tan intimidante ni tan bien escrito como belos

I love that he was not redeemed and just an evil terrible person. Sometimes you just need a good villain who’s just a piece of shit. That’s why I enjoyed watching him because it was so satisfying watching him get what he deserved

@qmchale5130

4 ай бұрын

Same.

You, as my right hand? Id rather cut off my whole arm. -Damn, that was cold.

Disney Movies having "Villains" Owl House having an Actual Villain

Belos progression as a character is interesting in that unlike everyone else, as they grow layers, he shed them. They get more complex, he gets simpler. He goes from Emperor Belos, to Philip Wittbane to just Belos. He hides himself behind so much but in the end, everything is stripped away and all that’s left is a decomposing monster who won’t see reality and hides in his delusions.

@pinzokiyama3387

2 ай бұрын

It’s a clever use of flanderization that makes Belos all the more interesting, even if some think it’s because he’s simple that it “doesn’t” make him cool.

Belos is the most terrifying Disney villain I ever seen before in Disney animation history. Seeing him possess the Titan’s heart and transforming into a dragon like Titan creature is straight up terrifying and I love it. It takes me back to villains from my favorite movies, cartoons and anime of the 90s and 2000s. Belos gruesome transformation into a monster takes me back to villains like Alpha and Edgar Bug from Men In Black The Series and Naraku from Inuyasha.

@Supasmartguy

11 ай бұрын

Bill cipher was scarier. He was a literal god.

@trueblue6201

7 ай бұрын

What about the Horned King from the Black Cauldron?

@Plofferfish

6 ай бұрын

​@@trueblue6201 The Horned King sucks ass. (in my opinion)

@giselafonseca6656

5 ай бұрын

Or frollo

@trueblue6201

5 ай бұрын

@@Supasmartguy He was beaten much more frequently and easily which undermines his threat.

I didn't think it was possible for a Disney show to top Bill Cipher, let alone for a great villain to come out of Disney anymore. One of the reasons why The Owl House is one of my favorite shows.

@Supasmartguy

10 ай бұрын

Bill was still better. He was far more unique, memorable, unconventional, and entertaining to watch. He was also just as evil and irredeemable: the show's expanded universe reveals that he has murdered likely quadrillions of innocent beings, including his own entire family and species, and he seems to take far more pleasure in watching his victims suffer than Belos.

@Plofferfish

6 ай бұрын

​@Supasmartguy I still love Bill though.

@thirdcoinedge

5 ай бұрын

​​​@@SupasmartguyTrue, he's definitely the more unique and entertainingly insane villain. I just find something more compelling and tragic about Belos and how he came to be the monster he is. I like Bill because he's the eldritch Q-like Mr. Peanut-cosplaying sentient Dorito chip The X-Files wishes it had. I like Belos because I didn't think we'd get a villain as fascinatingly vile as Frollo from the House of Mouse again.

@Supasmartguy

5 ай бұрын

@@thirdcoinedge Frollo WAS from the house of mouse.

@agusnicoletti3051

3 ай бұрын

​@@Supasmartguy Well, according to a poem said by The Axolotl (god of the multiverse) in one of the Gravity Falls books, Bill's background makes him someone a little more complex. He always bragged about how he "liberated" his own dimension, but apparently he actually destroyed it by accident, which caused him to end up in the Nightmare Realm. Behind those maniacal laughs, diabolical acts, desires for conquest and a crude sense of humor, there's someone who misses his home and knows he will never be able to return

I love how he's so evil, yet simultaneously so pathetic

@JabamiLain

3 ай бұрын

I wouldn't call it pathetic. He did almost become a Titan of sorts after all. That man was a true demon.

@plaidhatter1674

4 күн бұрын

​@@JabamiLain I think they mean in his final moments.

That's great, when Villian is irredeemable. That means that he's truly evil

@Supasmartguy

10 ай бұрын

I think he was a little TOO hateable. There wasn't enough Justice for what he did.

@jhymelbyrd154

4 ай бұрын

I think it was just enough. Instead of some grand death or violent spectacle, he just falls apart. The beauty is in how simple his death is and that’s justice enough for someone whose narcissism is so intense that he made himself an emperor and thought he knew better than everyone.

ok but imagine being an adult human with the most powerful magic like ever, and losing a mini war to a few teenagers, like 2 adults, and a DOG.

@kaysrandomchannel4618

6 ай бұрын

Yeah.

@josuecollazo5609

5 ай бұрын

Adolescentes talentosos, adultos poderosos en magia y un titán futuro dios...

@IamBardsongWolf

4 ай бұрын

To be fair that dog is a being of powerful magic

@kaysrandomchannel4618

4 ай бұрын

@@IamBardsongWolf true

@autumngalix4616

Ай бұрын

You spelled "God" backwards.

Belos, you would make a fine Sith lord.

PHILLIP REALLY FELL FROM GRACE

@multiverse_media2023

Жыл бұрын

He had no grace. He was just a straight up monster.

@MannequinMonarch

10 ай бұрын

@@emotionaldamage864 yup, bro was a little kid when they went, and only persisted from there into a monster lol

what i think is most horrifying is the fact that his murder of caleb and connection to the Clawthorne family was only shown in glimpses and easter eggs, never shown in full detail or explained by the characters, showing he is literally evil beyond words.

Hes the perfect example of good intentions leading to horrible outcomes. In that way he works as a foil for Lulz, with the big difference being that Lulz actually questions her own motives whereas Belos refuses to consider the possibility what he’s doing is wrong. It’s as they say, everyone wants to be the hero of their own story.

The real Philip died at the very moment he lost his brother

@erikolson4148

3 ай бұрын

I agree wholeheartedly 😓. He lost the right to be called "Philip Wittebane" as well as the right to call himself human long ago 😠😡🤨 Luz even said "Philip... I mean Belos." 🥺😔

@alexfrostwalker

3 ай бұрын

@@erikolson4148 yup. And to be honest, ya wont think straight when you saw your own family member getting taken away by the creatures you hunt.

@erikolson4148

3 ай бұрын

@@alexfrostwalker uh-huh, he's a literal metaphor on how irrational hatred, more so when combined with irrational bigotry and/or religious zealotry, can turn a person into a monster who is rotten to the core (in every sense of the words "monster" and "rotten" 🤢🤮 in his case) 😰😱😥😓😔.

@alexfrostwalker

3 ай бұрын

@@erikolson4148 yeah, mix with that and 'losing' his brother adds fuel to the fire

@erikolson4148

3 ай бұрын

@@alexfrostwalker his burnt and slashed memories in his Mindscape show his brother Caleb as healthy and lively and cheerful, but Hunter seeing Caleb and Belos in the mirror 🪞, with Caleb looking more sickly and malnourished than he did along with looking miserable, plus Belos in his monstrous form, seeing either a hallucination or the ghost of Caleb and later his other Golden Guards/Grimwalkers show that, as Philip, Belos was ignorant of his own brother's misery and suffering (Caleb didn't really believe in the unsavory and immoral practice of witch hunting, and only became one so he and Philip could fit in and to make his brother happy, and when he met Evelyn he had finally found a place where he could be himself and someone who he wanted to spend the rest of his life with, but unfortunately that shattered the fantasized view that his brother had made on him, and he couldn't accept it, which drove him into madness 😰😱😓😥😔). Belos is also an example of how he became the worst version of himself and thus represented the worst parts of humanity inside of him 😓. By contrast, Luz became the best version of herself, and thus represented the best in humanity along with Caleb and her mother Camila 🥺🥲🤗😉😌👍.

After rewatching the whole series I realised just how much simpler he is than I think he would be. Just a selfish dude who wanted fame and glory. There was a long time since a last see something like this, so I’m okay with that

I friggin LOVE how, even while extremely desperate for a body, Belos still thinks "Odalia? Nah, not worth it." 🤣

In a realm filled with monsters the real monster was a human.

I love how every time Belos is cornered , his default state is shameless bulshitery in hopes of saving himself. Realy drives in the whole " evil manipulator scum" thing he has going

We Simply needed an episode of the childhood of the 2 whittebane Brothers like the One For Gravity falls to know the reasons of the intentions of belos

I like how he said “The titan told me to spare The Owl Lady’s life”. Meanwhile that was just because he was tricked and didn’t want to admit it. As well as the fact that her curse has NOTHING to do with wild magic, and if anything, coven magic is to blame!

Dana Terrace is very lucky to get Matthew Rhys as her villain emperor Belos

I know he is an irredeemable villain but imagine how horrible Belos felt at 10:11 when he literally saw his hand come off and see his bones.

@TotherKoala

2 ай бұрын

he deserves it

1:44 bro just turned into sans for a solid minute

@kaysrandomchannel4618

6 ай бұрын

Heh, I knew someone would make that joke.

Even more irredeemable than Bill Cipher, The Core, Bradford Buzzard, Toffee, Chip Whistler and Zhan Tiri?

@MeNormalDefMe

Жыл бұрын

Yes, even more irredeemable than them

@SukunaIsHim

Жыл бұрын

@@MeNormalDefMemore than bill cipher 💀

@1v3i7llager

Жыл бұрын

@@SukunaIsHim damn, how it's possible? bill cipher destroyed his motherworld, decided to do same thing with whole human dimension, connected to a lot of other dimensions, and still - Belos somehow became much more irredeemable than Bill.

@SukunaIsHim

Жыл бұрын

@@1v3i7llager nah I mean that bill is worse

@1v3i7llager

Жыл бұрын

@@SukunaIsHim indeed.

Alright, he's gone for for realsies this time now right? He's not cheating death anymore riggghht?!

@1v3i7llager

Жыл бұрын

you never know. he just turned into a puddle, just like when Collector "tagged" him, we might see him come back(not in show ofc, perhaps by logic thinking).

@1v3i7llager

Жыл бұрын

@EMOTIONAL DAMAGE nah, i'm not killing something that was based on lifeblood. he's too sigma-in-secret for me.

@Supasmartguy

11 ай бұрын

I would love to see him return and work with Bill Cipher in an Owl House Gravity Falls Amphibia crossover sequel series.

@1v3i7llager

11 ай бұрын

@@Supasmartguy so mad good scenery. though i wanted a cameo with romeo admin(like admin - is a creator of all those collectors, and he came to destroy demon realm and something).

I have no idea what Nostalgia critics was talking about when he said he was a boring villain he is one of the best villains ever created

@alibrennan5977

Ай бұрын

Also saying he needed more “human traits” and not someone pure evil monster, like what does that even mean?

I love how at 8:13 it's still Hunter's voice, but the way that he's speaking is... off (the "ooohhhhh, no" and the way "little guy got spooked off" goes up at the end! I can almost picture Belos smiling to himself with how much fun he's having puppeting Hunter). Idk much about linguistics, but I wouldn't be surprised if each person has a unique way of speaking and sounding out words. Even if someone had no idea what was going on in the show and had only seen a few scenes of Hunter talking normally, they could likely pick up that something is very wrong with him here. I love this show so much, it's dotted with so many little gems like this.

Ngl i like the attention to detail how his eyes aren't shiny like luz's or any other character. It shows he's so old his eyes are all dry.

@plaidhatter1674

4 күн бұрын

They also look dead

Bro was worse than Frodo from Hunchback Of Notre Dame and that’s pretty low (he murdered his own brother for falling in love thinking he’d leave him behind and then cloned him just because he wanted to keep him around not even giving him the peace of death sheesh 😒 🙄!)

@knucklestheceoofmemes7755

3 ай бұрын

It's more complicated honesty

@FabledHeroes3351

3 ай бұрын

@@knucklestheceoofmemes7755 how so (legitimately curious)

@JabamiLain

3 ай бұрын

I think they're both on the same level of evil.

@knucklestheceoofmemes7755

3 ай бұрын

@@FabledHeroes3351 Belos comes from 17th century from GravesField where he was raised by his older brother the best Caleb could but town was an issue. They were doing witch hunting and forcing people to be like them. Philip being so young in such town was easy to manipulate into their way of acting unlike Caleb who was much older. Philip was forced to belive witches are evil and anybody who breaks their rules must be saved (killed). He was manipulated by his town and Caleb did a mistake by leaving him in the first place without saying much. When Philip finds him he sees the only family he had left break what he was forced to belive entire life so the only thing possible for him in his eyes was saved him by killing him. He was angry but sad at the same time. These feelings came from his love to his brother, and if he hated him why keeping drawings of him and his coat after Caleb dying. He wanted Caleb to be with him in this form atleast. Even the mask was originally Caleb's design. 17th century was wild. He then creates his clones and kills them but Belos states he never liked killing them because it tears him apart but was forced to otherwise everything he did so far would be ruined. And in season 3 he was said to be beyound redemption but he went insane after draining spell affected him, was destroyed by collector, forced to feed on wild animals, was constanly close to death to the point he started hallucinating and when seeing Caleb's halucination he was honestly sad but kept lying to himself because if he went back and stopped trying. Killing his brother was for nothing. Philip isn't a good man by today standarts for sure but when looking up where he grew up in what time period no wonder he ended up the way he did.

I’m glad they’re bringing villains like this back. Tragic antagonist are good but they have become overdone as well. I missed good old fashioned villains who are truly vile and selfish to me those villains who you love to hate. People assume they’re one note mustache twirling bad guys but it doesn’t have to be that if the writing isn’t lazy. There’s a reason why classic Disney villains like scar and cruela deville are still remembered.

i fucking love villains

@enkhtemuulenodgerel6175

5 ай бұрын

Not me😡

@Necrodoge

5 ай бұрын

@@enkhtemuulenodgerel6175 who asked

@MauricioLSB

5 ай бұрын

I adore them For some reason they bring me happiness and joy. It is sweet when they have the protagonist in their palms and crush them like maggots. Until the mc uses the secret overpowered power they just realized they had... ... But i know this isn't the case... Probably... Haven't seen the end parts

@rennac3152

3 ай бұрын

@@MauricioLSB I respect them, they work harder than the hero’s little training montage. They typically have more to lose, do more to keep what’s theirs save. They are realist, becoming whatever is necessary. They don’t need plot armor to be great

Recently I started researching totalitarian religious cults and sects, and only now do I understand that The Owl House portrays a scarily accurate picture of cult danger. A charismatic preacher-type leader that was a dirtbag conman in the past that became a megalomaniacal psychopathic manipulator the moment he felt just the slightest ounce of power… People being brainwashed into obedience with strict rules and anti-intellectualism… This happens in real life all the time. This makes Belos scary. There are people like him right now in our society that prey on emotionally vulnerable to feed their ego and fanaticism.

Luis(RE4 remake): people can change, right? Belos: 🎵how about I don’t anyway?🎵

In my opinion, Belos didn't suffer enough. There should have been a scene between him and Caleb kind of like the scene between Ursa and Ozai in the ATLA comics. Also, I think he might not even be dead: notice that King mentions there's still some goo left on his foot after the rain dissipates, and that none of the goo disintegrated into gray dust like the goo encasing the Titan bones did. I even think there are still places they could take Belos's character, Namely: the modern human realm is very different from the human realm he came from, he would probably hate it and become obsessed with changing it back to how it was in his day.

@johnsonsharon81

Жыл бұрын

That's would have been the cherry on top

@qmchale5130

4 ай бұрын

I'm pretty sure he's dead. They not only stomped the muck; they stomped what was left of his skull, too.

@Supasmartguy

4 ай бұрын

@@qmchale5130 we saw in the season 2 finale that he can survive from a single drop and no skull, and we saw that there was a single drop left on King's foot.

@plaidhatter1674

4 күн бұрын

​@@SupasmartguyThe drop did MOVE, though. Here, he didn't resurface for years, and he needs sustenance, which he couldn't have gotten.

@Supasmartguy

4 күн бұрын

@@plaidhatter1674 perhaps he's in some sort of state of hibernation.

Belos makes Thanos look like saint

@plaidhatter1674

4 күн бұрын

Thanos had good ends. This man had no good ends.

I love the way that we used to think that he was like andrias from amphibia whereas the collector was like the core, but then it turned out that everyone, everyone who helped Belos, was like andrias, even the collector, and Belos was like the core.

i think what makes belos so compelling as a villain is how historically accurate he is in the sense how it’s easy to imagine someone like him existing in the real world. that’s why i think it’s funny when people compare him to those like bill cipher. the difference between him and bill cipher while both are evil. bill cipher is a cosmic being with ultimate power. belos on the other hand spent literal years or well centuries to get where he’s at. not only that, he spent that whole time clinging onto his ideology when he could’ve had that whole time to change. just like how people in real life choose to hang onto theirs in the form of bigotry and spreading harmful rhetoric. i like to think belos is commentary on colonialism and modern social issues that we’ve seen in our society and continue existing today. either way tho def one of my fav characters/villains. his writing is impeccable and you know they did a good job when like him but hate him at the same time.

@evanbao93

6 ай бұрын

Belos doesn't strike me as a colonist. He's more of a cult leader and worst of all, a self-righteous fanatic. Those are far worse than a colonist. A colonist can be negotiated or bargained with (you just have to play your cards right) through pragmatism. A fanatic can never be reasoned with, even if you provide the evidence right before their eyes.

@cassidyjones2730

4 ай бұрын

@@evanbao93 he’s a literal colonist. And even without his formative experience as a Puritan colonist in British America, the cultish aspects of his character are directly related to the religious and ideological origins and justifications for colonialism and racism. Colonialism and religion have gone hand in hand, with the former justified by the latter

@evanbao93

4 ай бұрын

@@cassidyjones2730 The word colonist has been abused so much to the point it lost all meaning in present day. Colonist, by definition, means a person subjecting another nation to their control in the name of their original nation. In Amphibia, the colonist aspect is much more clear. The Newtopia is an empire bent on conquering other lands and plundering resources, all in service to their leader. But Belos isn't that. He's not interested in plundering resources or turning the nation of witches into his personal army for future conquest or replacing their population with humans. This guy is a self-righteous madman who thinks he knows what is right and wrong, refuses to listen to facts, and justify violence on his side while denying responsibilities for them. And a lot of real life people on the Internet who play the self-righteous crusader fits that description.

@cassidyjones2730

4 ай бұрын

@@evanbao93 the point isn't whether or not he fits into a rigid understanding of a specific definition of colonist (even though he is, again, literally an english colonist in colonial america). it's that he's carrying colonial ideology with him: the imposition of his beliefs onto others, what is effectively human nationalism that drives him, the core colonial-religious ideology that made him what he is in the first place. "Colonist" is a shorthand for his colonialist mindset and values, as well as, again, a literal description of his background as an englishman in colonial america.

@cassidyjones2730

4 ай бұрын

Operating under such rigid, "erm actually" type definitions denies the underlying themes and ideological drive of what belos is and represents.

Disney needs to take notes and make more villains like him in the future

Say what you want about the Owl House, good bad whatever, but you have to admit Belos is a fantastic villain.

@kaysrandomchannel4618

6 ай бұрын

Yup!

@ethanotoroculus1060

4 ай бұрын

Wait does the show have that many detractors? I haven't seen a lot of hate for it online personally-

@Essentialanimations

4 ай бұрын

@@ethanotoroculus1060lots of people hate it for Lumity and the gay stuff

@ethanotoroculus1060

4 ай бұрын

@@Essentialanimations Oh ok no wonder I didn't see it then lol- 👍

Matthew Rhys is such a brilliant voice actor for Emperor Belos, aside from him voicing Sir Percy in The Two Princes podcast, this is great!❤❤❤❤

I love how in this show about a Bisexual Latina Witch learning magic in a demon realm, the villain is another Human, but he's a straight, male, religious zealot. Belos is an extremely accurate depiction of how insecure men try to oppress and invalidate everyone else, while simultaneously pretending to be the hero. Also kind of telling how Luz is a Human from the 21st Century, but Belos is a literal witch hunter from the 1600s. Luz also calls out his hypocrisy when he says he wants to eradicate monsters, but has become a total monster himself. He also wants to eradicate magic, but stole all the world's magic in trying to achieve that. I loved the final scene with him, where he tries to abuse Luz' morality by saying "If you kill me, you won't be any better!" and Luz doesn't even give him a word and lets the boiling rain melt away the disgusting creature he is. Simultaneously, the boiling rain doesn't harm Luz and bounces off of her. She isn't just better than him, she's become more than he could ever be.

@Angelatic2014

3 ай бұрын

Shit. 👀

@sprites4ever482

3 ай бұрын

@@Angelatic2014 Could you elaborate?

@Angelatic2014

3 ай бұрын

@@sprites4ever482 You've pretty much summed up what's there to be briefed on about this show.

@sprites4ever482

3 ай бұрын

@@Angelatic2014 I mean, no? It's got more themes than this. This is specifically about the villain as a character.

When people talk about Disney villains, they mostly refer to Disney Canon. However, Disney villains on the small screen can be just as memorable. The heinous acts, the sinister undertones, the traits that people love to hate. What's more, unlike films, villains in shows can be around much longer, which not only gives more time for them to be fleshed out, but can help make their eventual defeat all the more satisfying after causing misery for so long.

Belos is a tragic villain. He clearly felt attached to Caleb seeing as he was the only family he had. He thought he was kidnapped by a witch only to find he had left him on purpose. Imagine going through the equivalent of hell to rescue someone you just to realise they had left you on purpose? His actions are evil but understandable.

@plaidhatter1674

4 күн бұрын

The issue is that what motivated him to do this was an ideology that he was desperate to accept. As a kid, he seemingly wanted to fit in desperately, and that explains why he is so unforgiving with new views.

@vedji1857

3 күн бұрын

@@plaidhatter1674 exactly.

Probably one of the best written Disney Villains ever in the modern age. Anyway, how's that guy from that failed Wish movie?

Bro, this guy is very similar to a character I created years ago, and he's also an emperor, but he has more powers and is much more sinister

@JabamiLain

3 ай бұрын

More sinister how ?

@opoderosoimperioteocratico4885

3 ай бұрын

@@JabamiLain Well... he is capable of devouring souls, his possession can cause a mutation in the possessed, he has ultra metamorphosis and regeneration, in addition to being a being who loves to terrorize enemies with his own fears.

@opoderosoimperioteocratico4885

3 ай бұрын

@@JabamiLain I've been waiting for a response for 3 days: 💀

@hgfrancor6315

2 ай бұрын

​@@opoderosoimperioteocratico4885 Cool

@Kerina77

2 ай бұрын

​@@opoderosoimperioteocratico4885seems too op

The thing I love about Belos in his first battle against Luz is that he could’ve let loose and told her the truth, yet he kept up with his facade of this “humble messenger of the Titan” to mislead her, even though he could’ve easily gone into a dramatic reveal monologue

Why do I get the feeling that HE and all the other dark stuff that happened in this show are the REAL reasons why I said shell got canceled way too soon?

@sizar9003

Жыл бұрын

It’s because Disney doesn’t like gays

I love how even at the end when he's lost it all, he can't stop lying and manipulating. It's just part of him now. When he's trying to manipulate Luz, you can see him making up the lie as he speaks. He's the definition of a pathological liar.

And the best part is that he's actually not a lame irredeemable one.

@pinzokiyama3387

5 ай бұрын

For real, some of the irredeemables out there *were* pretty lame. Villains like the Core and Ozai were menacing, but just plain flat with a simple “take over” plan. And a villain like Mina was just an annoying character that *somehow* needed to be a villain?

@plaidhatter1674

4 күн бұрын

​The core had interesting motivations as a group, but once they BECAME the core, the motivation was lost to their collective goal.

King Andrias: I’m the most irredeemable villain in Disney TV History. Belos appears: I’ll play (shows him Hollow Mind). Andrias: Whoah. That’s more messed up than anything I ever did. And I stabbed a naive teenage girl through the chest then hooked her up to a hive mind AI.

@leritykay8911

22 күн бұрын

And after that day, Andrias decided to be a redeemable villain. Even he was spooked by Belos

What Horde Prime is to sci-fi/magical girl, Belos is to magic school/isekai.

@nachitoprime1462

Жыл бұрын

And i forgot Odalia who has similarities with Shadow Weaver the difference is while Shadow Weaver Has some honor moral standards some care (although some twisted) for others and redeemed herself, Odalia has not any honor or moral standards, she only cares about herself, only sees Amity as a toy or object she can control and nevera redeemed herself, at the end Odalia is so bad as Belos is.

He may have been a horrible man. But he sure was a horrible man in class

an aspect of belos I feel goes underappreicated is how he's a dark mirror of Luz. They're both driven by their dreams (luz's love of fantasy and belos' desire to be a witch hunter) and both desire to beheros and to be 'special'. the difference is that luz learned that she should consider others as well as learned that reality cannot match her dreams and she should respect those things and keep them in mind without jsut given up, while Belos clung to his selfish beleifs and ignored the reality and consequences of his own actions. What's more Luz loves magic and fantasy while belos hates it even as he uses it himself. belos is what Luz could've become had she still continued to act as she did in the first two episodes. And luz is belos if he came to love magic and fantasy and realised that other people matter and aren't just props in your 'story'.

@jacobcordova3825

3 ай бұрын

Yea I especially love both luz and Philip are naturally deceitful relaying on it to get out of tough situations

It’s so refreshing to have a Disney villain that isn’t played for laughs or the butt of the joke. I appreciate that he’s genuinely threatening and progressively becomes worse as you learn more about him. Also, he sounds a lot like Malcolm McDowell, which scores extra points with me.

Dude is the Disney version of William Afton.

A real king serves his people! He only serves himself! 😤

@DatMLG_Gamer6592

Жыл бұрын

ngl the king of demons do be spitting straight fax tho

@blazer168

Жыл бұрын

To be fair his people are humans, not the inhabitants of the Boiling Isles. Not that that redeems him in anyway.

@FightingToons

11 ай бұрын

Isn't that what black adam said in injustice 2 when he and aquaman were fighting against Gorilla Grodd?

@zacglover3345

11 ай бұрын

Well he isn't a king, he's an emperor

@ericbuckner3806

4 ай бұрын

​@@FightingToons yes

Any Disney villain

@Supasmartguy

10 ай бұрын

Bill Cipher: am I a joke to you?

@matthewsoucy9073

9 ай бұрын

The Core: At least we don’t need to sing a song to make plans

@misterdj6671

Ай бұрын

He's decent but I wouldn't go that far

@joka7372

Ай бұрын

​@@misterdj6671Well, compare to most recent villains...

Oh and also , I LITTERALLY LOVE HIM SO MUCH HIS DESIGN VOICE ITS JUST SO GOOD I FUCKING LOVE VILLIANS OMG !!!

That means the Horned King is redeemable

I love Belo's, he was exactly the villain he should've been. Some people won't change, and people need to learn to recognize that...

*Eye glows blue.* Me: *plays megalovinia.*

Philip: Luz I'm free thank goodness you saved me from.....from that horrible curse Luz: *Hurls a rock at his face* Nope your still cursed

He sure is an awesome villain. Dana did enjoy writing him, right?

As corrupt as Belos is. He’s probably the most realistic villain and operates more as an extremist in his goals to protect humanity. However, it is because of his extremism that he became the monster he sought to destroy.

Well Belos did come from a time where being a hero meant something different than it does now.

#ThankYouOwlHouse #ThankYouDanaTerrace #TheOwlHouse #RememberTheOwlHouse #TheOwlHouseSpinoffSeries #AnimationDeservesBetter

"Goodbye Evelyn" Said Belos While Killing Flapjack #OwlHouseHint

@johnsonsharon81

Жыл бұрын

"Goodbye Philip" said Flapjack While Killing Belos

"Oh Shut Up" Best quote in the whole series

Shame this for canceled, that was the last decent villain Disney made.

the most irredeemable villain is the most sigma one. just like Patrick Bateman or Big Jack Horner.

@pandabanaan9208

Жыл бұрын

Jack horner is more like sundowner, someone so openly evil it's funny

@chadpeterson5698

Жыл бұрын

@@pandabanaan9208Sundowner is actually taken seriously by the narrative. Big Jack Horner is not.

@pandabanaan9208

Жыл бұрын

@@chadpeterson5698 yeah I you are right he did do that whole child soldier thing but in a way I think that makes him so great, here you have this ridiculously over the top villain who has lines like "war crime this, code of conduct that" and "like the good old days after 9/11" and you can still take him seriously despite that

Admit it. we all got mad when belos abuses hunter

What’s with shows I don’t care about having Interesting Villains?!?

14:44 i fucking love this bit, in most shows they say “you’ll be just as bad as me” but he goes on and then says “witches” he still thinks hes been in the right this entire time, and i love it

He’s welcomed in the pure villain club

A monster like him isn’t worthy of redemption

@Supasmartguy

2 ай бұрын

He didn't suffer enough in my opinion. There should have been a scene between him and Caleb kind of like the scene between Ursa and Ozai in the Avatar The Last Airbender comics.

@johnnymanize

2 ай бұрын

@Supasmartguy Or like Dr. Facilier from the Princess and the Frog, where he was dragged down into the underworld by his “friends” on the other side.

“Belos being Disney’s most irredeemable villain.” Frollo: Am I a joke to you?

@plaidhatter1674

4 күн бұрын

Belos does what frollo does but has a LOT more casualties. That alone makes him worse.

Belos Is the best Villain... He is truly evil and Its okay if he isn't gonna change and follow his evil heart... He is the best Reason why I watch Owl house start to finish

I don't grant Belos to Disney. Disney raked this show over the coals.

He is such a interesting , very complex yet interesting Villian

Imagine if Belos and The Huntsman from American Dragon teamed up. They both hate the supernatural and use their magic resources for their own benefit.