It took me so long to understand “The Ring tempts you,” because I was so convinced that it had to be a negative effect. 😂

@N4m3lesS_1

Жыл бұрын

i think it is at least good flavor to print cards that have bonus effects if they resist the tempting (aka are not chosen as ringbearers) like one aragorn, galadriel and some more.

This deck seems really cool and the upgrades looked good. But I think I’m gonna try to upgrade it with only cards from the lotr set to keep the most flavor possible. Obviously it won’t be as good as this upgrade but I mostly just play casual anyway.

@ninomusician

Жыл бұрын

Wise. That's the best way to go!

@BrianGenisio

Жыл бұрын

Saaaaaame

@gameroomtimemachine

Жыл бұрын

Exactly!

@ehsanrahee7411

Жыл бұрын

Is there a guide somewhere for this elsewhere? I was planning on the same but don't know where to start.

@ninomusician

Жыл бұрын

@@ehsanrahee7411 I actually am considering uploading one lol

Alright, overall a great episode, but especially loved how personal Jake made the End Step recommendation.

im one of them new players youre refering to because of lord of the rings and have been studying the game and strategies from you guys thank you very much

Please adopt the $50.00 template for every upgrade. The 30 didn't feel super interesting to begin with. Absolutely hated the 10 and thought they were kind of a waste. 50 felt like a great number and we saw cards that people actually play

Thassa, Deep Dwelling seems like a solid add in Elrond.

@mattrodriguez1712

Жыл бұрын

Conjurer’s closet and displacer kitten as well. I couldn’t believe those cards didn’t go into this deck.

@Winterhe4rt

9 ай бұрын

Nah. You only get the extra counters at end of turn and shipping the turn with all the huge power. Its a trap really. Displacer Kitten on the other hand lets you flicker it during your main phase before attacking which makes effects like this infinitely better than closet and thassa.

@hiddenleaf414

9 ай бұрын

@@Winterhe4rt What huge power? It’s possibly 3 extra +1/+1 counters on your board. How is that a trap? You would also play Displacer Kitten along with the others. Thassa is indestructible and can also tap down a creature which can be really important mid to late game. Displacer Kitten is going to be much more of a threat/removable target the second it hits the field anyways.

@Winterhe4rt

9 ай бұрын

@@hiddenleaf414 I mean.. I blink Elrond 2 or 3 times and am off to win the game. If you need to ship the turn 10 time to do the same I guess thassa and Closet can do that for you. Just tutor out the kitten, play 2 cantrips and your good. No need to waste all the time and mana on the other options, that I mean by trap.

@hiddenleaf414

9 ай бұрын

@@Winterhe4rt Dawg I’m still playing the same blink spells. Thassa literally curves into Elrond. When you cast Elrond on curve you’re not gonna have mana for a blink spell after. Thassa you get a free trigger. Even the turn after you’re most likely not going to have a full board meaning you still get another free trigger. Instead of wasting your blinks and having no mana to respond to anything else. By the time you untap with Elrond and a big board I would have gotten 2-3 free blink triggers. Literally the same amount you just said it would take to win the game.

Just wanted to thank for this precon update. It was really out of the box and unique and fun to watch.🥰

Love this host combo! Definitely a, best minds of Magic kinda vibe, loved the deep level of knowledge shared!

@Mcrypt117

Жыл бұрын

I’m completely agree!!

Marwyn for sure can go into a Lord of the Rings deck. Just imagine the M stands for Miss, and she'll be Miss Arwyn that's close enough

Thank you so much. this helped me understand my decks i got and how to make them strong. Very helpful.

While I can see why Elrond was the chosen commander, I think it would have been more imaginative if they found a way to make Galadriel work well.

@haydndale402

Жыл бұрын

It’s upsetting because if it was 3 colour they could reach more voting cards it’s disappointing

@lancekosisky9946

Жыл бұрын

Tall and wide. Make Galadriel tall with counters and unblockable with blue and elves already go wide pretty easily.

@adrianpadilla3082

10 ай бұрын

Elrond makes more flavor sense though. Galadriel doesnt have enough value as a card honestly.

I actually like galadriel as the commander. Putting in some more elves and focusing a bit more on the voting too is also fun.

@MrCrunchytime

Жыл бұрын

The only problem is that it doesn't work. The Galadriel in this deck is basically "At the start of combat, if an Elf came into play this turn, draw a card", because why would any of the other players let the Ring tempt you, given how powerful that is? There's also no incentive for anyone to vote with you in the deck, which makes the other commanders worthless as well.

@f5rhawk

Жыл бұрын

​@@MrCrunchytimeah let the dude play Galadrial for fun.

@MrCrunchytime

Жыл бұрын

@f5rhawk Not saying he can't, just that her text is just card draw with extra steps.

@blaze376192

Жыл бұрын

​@MrCrunchytime I disagree. When playing elf tribe decks, all it takes is one board wipe to end the game for you. That draw power will allow you to get back in it.

@MrCrunchytime

Жыл бұрын

@blaze376192 The draw is good, yes. What I meant was that the Voting mechanic doesn't work. And in the case of this deck, Galadriel is nerfed because there's no way to reliably put elves on the board each turn, and before you say "Elvish Warmaster", he needs an elf to come into play, too. At best, Galadriel is activating every second or third turn. If the deck had an Imperious Perfect in it, it'd be a whole different story. Edit: I'm essentially saying Galadriel doesn't have as much value out-of-the-box as she theoretically should have because the deck itself works against her.

My mouth dropped when you said heroic intervention

Can you guys do a podcast suggesting cards from the set you would recommend for the precons.

Hey, CommandZone! Círdan is a sindarin name written in quenya, the most ancient elven tongue, and it is pronounced Kirdan like if was an initial k. Love your show!

Hey :) I`ve got a request. Can you do an Extra Turn where everybody plays with the precons unchanged? I heard they are very powerful (without personal optimization) . I would love to see them in action !! And I love your casual play stile!

Proceeds to list the most damning hiring poster of those in need of one graphic designer to rule them all. Kidding, love you guys!

37 minutes ago? They were waiting for me xD how thoughtful!

Really enjoyable video, I like your energy and the editing of the video. I'm new to the game, huge lotr head and finally took the step and bought this deck. Loving it so far but there are some weird cards that I don't like because they seem too goofy for me like Cirdan.

I would love a precon game as is out of the box then see another of the upgraded versions

I ended up buying the deck, making Elrond Master of Healing as my commander (not in precon), scrapped the voting and replaced with more scry. Best decision I made lol.

@liammanning8334

Жыл бұрын

I thought of doing this also.. I think my.only.problem is I don't like the art on that card. But I have been leading in same direction

@agosta44

Жыл бұрын

I'm debating between that Elrond and the Galadriel of Lothlorien. She can ramp like crazy with the scry synergy and get out of hand very quickly.

@Birbbato

Жыл бұрын

I am doing this as well. Surprised the Elven Precon wasn't focused on Scry like the in-set elves.

@patricksaville8672

Жыл бұрын

@@Birbbato yeah, there's not a lot of voting support. I went on scryfall and most of the voting stuff is white?? lol

@patricksaville8672

Жыл бұрын

@@agosta44 Heck yeah! I put her in the deck but she's also great! You'd need more land in the deck though if she would be your commander I would think.

I can see this deck being crazy in two headed giant commander type of match .

Might have to get this box if only for alot of the reprints and picking it apart for other decks.

Leaning into some of the scry from some of the new elves and keeping galadriel as your commander is surprisingly busted

Looking forward to making an elven/wizard deck.

Wow. It’d be a dream to work with you guys! Newly graduated so I don’t feel like I have enough experience but hope the best for you guys!

Radagast works well with Tawnos the Toymaker.

Maybe I missed it but any creature you're trying to abuse an etb effect with needs Blade of Selves

Don't seem to be a lot of noncreatures, but i think i would have looked at additional blink options like Displacer Kitten.

Essence Flux and illusion of choice in response to a single big threat coming at you like ormandal would be hilariously in response to attacks...

53:55 we need a 10 hour loop of Eärendil

I have to say the reprints in this set just are the best I'm debating getting second and 3rd copys of some of these decks for parts besides my upgraded versions. Because I just wanna use these arts and I feel the arts are gonna be worth more then the normals...

Absolutely incredible thumbnail

I think for cracked tackling counterpart you want to let your original elrond die so that you can recast them from the command Zone and get an additional voting trigger

Why not choose cards from the main set for upgrades?

Great henge and Rystic Study! Wow! They are a bit niche but they should work in this deck

If you put in the 10 recommendations AND the splurge cards, which two would you take out to account for added splurge cards?

Maybe im not seeing it but Elrond etb vote doesnt happen everytime an elf casts correct inly when Elrond enters

I played this deck as is. Its super defensive with those amazing protections and the elves were explosives. But when i drew Gandalf, and Radagast it just doesn't work well and i wish i had more elves. Galadriel is eh as a commander. Card draws are nice but she isn't scary at all. Fortunately the deck can actually be potent enough without a commander. I haven't played Elrond yet. But this dude is a serious gamechanger. If this deck is strong by itself then you can have Elrond there as solid backup.

Great upgrades! Personally, I’m gonna keep it as is, the theme is just too much for me to make changes to

About elrond of the white council, when he comes to the battlefield and you vote can an opponet can choose to give you a creature's even if he don't have none on the battlefield?

Thassa, deep dwelling needs to be in this deck :D

If you had a Rhystic Study which card would you take out for it? Same for The Great Henge, although I don't have this one!

are cards like alter ego, rites of replication be ideal to be included just to proc Elrond?

I wanna build a deck around Erestor of the Council so bad, I just wish there were more voting cards in green/blue that weren't as busted as Expropriate. 😭

@SlyBlueDemon

Жыл бұрын

I seen Erestor fo the Council, was really excited..... until I seen how few voting cards are in Simic.

I like the $50 upgrade budget

I decided to build Galadriel and your thoughts are entirely correct. She's good unless you're behind, then it's hard for her to generate value at all. I still like her (simp), but it does seem like if you build her you'll need all that protection in the deck. Elrond has been insane whenever I've cast him, but I wanted a commander that said something about elves in the text box.

@joshholmes1372

Жыл бұрын

I like galadriel of lothlorien better tbh

What power level is this deck with those 10 cards?

I am thinking it seems not bad to use Elven Empire from KHM + this deck make a deck (using Lathril as commander)

Wooooh elves!!!❤

Just kinda shouting out archidect for a second. It's really good. Lol

“Whats in the box….”

"Welcome to Mordor" sent me 😂

tolkien pedant alert: the "C" is always hard, so it's Kirdan.

The only precon I’ve experienced, where the play was so bad, I would have rather had my money back at half the price.

When the Command Zone was going though, why did they not add Conjurer's Closet to the 10 cards in. Elrond is an ETB creature, so having the closet do it during each end phase brings it to value town.

I’m getting this one, but I’m so conflicted whether to replace my Rashmi deck with this one or to upgrade Rashmi with this deck Also, I know the strategy is more go-wide, but I love Hadana’s Climb in counters decks, especially as an “in case of emergency, make this creature big stompy”

Can I vote for myself with Cirdan?

I searched and searched, but couldnt find the deck list on their ArchiDeck page, am I missing something?

Rattagast Reminds me of fable of wolf and owl

I always find it a great sign when a precon is hard to determine what cards to cut because they all serve a purpose. These decks are GREAT!

@joshholmes1372

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, I find precons frequently try to do too many things. Keeping it to one strat definitely helps

@MrCrunchytime

Жыл бұрын

This one is actually pretty obvious, when you take a minute to look

Can you make an upgrade video using only LOTR cards?

this deck didn't excite me as much as the food and fellowship and Riders of Rohan did. I think I'm gonna buy the food and fellowship and use Merry and Pippin, I think that was a brilliant idea. ban sol ring and the price will plummet into nothingness hehe. I think 50 $ upgrades are very reasonable. 30 $ is fine too but then you can't splurge as much on 1 card as you can with 50. like, a Seedborn muse alone costs 17 $. so thats why I like 50 for 10 cards. The great henge price seems to be incorrect. I assume you use card kingdom since it's your sponsor. I can buy a near-mint version for 55 $, so not sure where you get that 65 $ price from. the Rhystic study one is correct though.

Make sure you put your decks in a sleeve before putting them in a box!

Now, it says if "another" elf enters the battlefield, before combat. Would this trigger multiple times if multiple elves entered the battlefield before combat? Eowyn has a "as you enter combat" effect that's very similar, and i just want to know, because It's ruthless, if so.

@commandcast

Жыл бұрын

Nope. "If another elf entered" is just a checkbox to trigger the effect. It doesn't count the number of elves that entered.

@Birbbato

Жыл бұрын

Are you referring to Galadriel? She'll only trigger once.

I wish legolas was better than random orcs :(

@joshholmes1372

Жыл бұрын

They did legloas so dirty in this set

@starviper1813

Жыл бұрын

The mono green one is pretty good

I’m pretty sure you’re supposed to vote for yourself on cirdan shipwright trigger, says “a player” not “another player”

@k_zed

Жыл бұрын

why would you want votes? putting down a permanent from your hand is much better

Good luck trying to buy the singles from the LOTR set and the singles from the decks from Card Kingdom...almost every single card worth more than 50 cents is sold out.

I doubt Cirdan works as intended. Either each player just votes for themselves or the players talk it over to ensure that everybody gets a vote.

@MrNbkelly

Жыл бұрын

"SECRET council"

how would you best do the secret voting on table with all players?

@ninomusician

Жыл бұрын

Assign numbers to every player. Have them select their choices on the die and cover them with their hand. Then reveal

@clemi5051

Жыл бұрын

@@ninomusician good idea! i think for the card that targets creatures on the board it might be hard tho

There needs to be more flicker/clone stuff. 2 out of 99 is not nearly enough

IM SO EXCITED FOR THIS DECK AND THIS SET >W

Gandalf is like Volo but terrible. This time, a scholarly D&D wizard defeated the demigodly LotR wizard.

My friends agreed to keep these as Strait precons just like we did with the warhammer decks. It's more fun I think

Seer-dan hurts my soul.

It might be nice for the future to include the market price of the decks when looking at the reprint value. Because for these specificly, sure they have alot more value included in them but they are also twice to three times the price of other preconstructed decks (looking at you Sauron...)

@damienjohnson3450

Жыл бұрын

The problem with that is WoTc refuses to give MSRP prices for their products anymore, so they really don't even know when they record these. It's out of their hands.

@Doser2863

Жыл бұрын

@@damienjohnson3450 I understand that, there are still prerelease market prices of all of these decks though. I take it, that they record the (absolute) reprint value of these decks before they are announced such that those don't exist then. But maybe it would be possible to reevaluate them after they are announced or sth. I don't have a perfect solution in mind, I just think it's not quite fair to just look at these absolute values. For example, the "Rebellion Rising" Precon was much better relative value than any of these decks just because you could get it for like 30€ (Don't know american prices). I don't know, it just bothered me🙃

@damienjohnson3450

Жыл бұрын

@@Doser2863 Honestly that won't work either and they have no way to do what you want without constantly editing the video when prices change. They probably shot this last month and just finished editing it this week, I doubt they have the time, money, or people to shoot and edit an additional segment in this week. They aren't a finance podcast, they are a commander pocast. They just want us the have an idea of the relative reprint value per set.

Closest to a counter spell in green? Avoid Fate would like a word.

Damn. Elrond makes more sense yes, but mt heart says galadriel lol

please do the sauron precon

Shame that once again we didn’t get an upgrade for the face commander as I think this could be an interesting take on elf tribal, Jake did the same with tinker time and changed the theme of the deck. I don’t disagree with the upgrade choices, just a bit disappointed is all.

@SacredMagic13679

9 ай бұрын

Galadriel is a nightmare to build for because there are three mechanical facets to her that you have to account for. Elrond really just has one. ETB.

You could also use Illusion of Choice with Expropriate and get 4 extra turns MUAHAHAHA

Has anyone figured out why the ring emblem is perforated?

@xxdmn

Жыл бұрын

I guess they want you to put the ring onto your ringbearer

@rayganrambles

Жыл бұрын

@@xxdmn that makes sense. I'd rather just use a different kind of marker though.

Miss when you could just lookup a decklist lol

Sol Ring will never drop below 2$ (lucky Americans with that lower price) because there is always new people playing commander and thus people are buying them. If they didn't reprint them every set Sol Ring would be 4, 5 or even 6$.

More gameplay, less chit chat.

Illusion of choice July 2024 is $18.99

Enough precon upgrades we want precon game knights!!

What’s in the box 🤣

Elrond? What is with these choices?

I’m just going to use cards from my casual elf deck so I don’t have to spend money I don’t have

I'm also curious where they get the reprint value prices. I can get Asceticism for like $7

i cant believe those dirty leaf lovers got a deck. We should have gotten a gollum tribal precon instead. :P

@liammanning8334

Жыл бұрын

I thought a dwarf precon would have been nice .. so many elf decks

I’ve been playing around with this deck and Galadriel is 100% the correct commander. Elrond is played, triggers then is a dead 3/3 on the board 90% of the time

@AkmalGameAtion

Жыл бұрын

Play blink effects there's lots of options in blue

I think the best way to describe The Ring Tempts You is just as a dungeoney emblem

@cedarbobedar7223

Жыл бұрын

really bugs me that the card is perforated too lol

@cedarbobedar7223

Жыл бұрын

if I wanted to chop the card in half, I have scissors lol

@savannahlion3081

Жыл бұрын

GET TO THE CHOPPER ! 🤘🦁🤘

Where is the game knights lord of the rings? 🥺🥺🥺

Avenger of Zendikar ETB, Mystic Reflection, get 10+ copies of Elrond, Elrond ETB triggers, Illusion of Choice to force everyone to give up all of their creatures and dump the rest of the votes into +1/+1 counters, brrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

@k_zed

Жыл бұрын

mystic reflection says non-legendary creature.

If those 10 cards are all you changed I have to say the 50 bucks are really not very well spent tbh. Like.. expropriate blowing out half the budget when literally any other Elf wincon (Ezuri for example) would suffice is really bad budgeting. Like.. not putting in more 1 drop dorcs, Wild growth etc? Also herald of secret streams is a really expensive and off-theme version of Bramblewood Paragon. Think you could have done better here.

Thematically speaking, I can never allow myself to edit these decks. If it ain't middle earth I don't want it

@joshuabarnett88

Жыл бұрын

​@@Jester2189I don't pay attention to racists. Bye, child

@joshuabarnett88

Жыл бұрын

@@Jester2189 calling something "Lord of the blings" and "ghetto" when the main controversy is over a character being black is equal parts ignorant and racist. Keep being a bigot, twat.

@crom6573

Жыл бұрын

​@@Jester2189nah, you're just straight up racist lol. Must feel bad to feel that small

@anunusualironiccircumstanc2108

Жыл бұрын

@@Jester2189 although it’s disappointing they didn’t stick to the source material. I agree that they shouldn’t have race swapped. However, your comment does come across as quite racist…

@mikemcglasson1286

Жыл бұрын

you could use cards from the booster set?

I miss JLK

No Blur is crazy to me 😢