I was Gunner in a M-109 in Swiss Army, and we are definitely manually faster then that, much faster!

@umarra9191

3 жыл бұрын

Respect to you Sir

@gdgobi7330

3 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂😂 Sometimes Autonomous are useless. Man can do things faster and easier.

@steggs69

3 жыл бұрын

But for how long can you do that? Looks like these guys can go all day. For small armies like IDF that's critical.

@SadOne1980

3 жыл бұрын

m 109 - 4 rounds per minute, this thing 3 rounds per 18 seconds and it's much cheaper 🤷‍♂️

@sudinshrestha319

3 жыл бұрын

People get tired machine dont

this is the artillery equivalent of wearing gamer glasses

Operator: "Holly shit, sand got into the insert primer button. This gun can no longer fire."

Thank you elbit for arming us. Greetings from the Philippines.

For one bizarre moment, I thought this was going to be a kickstarter campaign

@hobbz4921

3 жыл бұрын

now that was funny!!!

I can already foresee so many components are going to wear out quick and will require a crap ton of maintenance. Look at all the parts shaking and vibrating immediately after firing the gun.

@gefiltafish2187

3 жыл бұрын

Actually if u noticed. Unlike a Swedish design the Elbit system is Perforated, in every section there is. Why? So no dust or degree can be caught in the mechanisms and cause even the slightest stutter. Even the tray that collects the shells makes a quick twist with them. Just to make sure. So rest assure .. that dust or degree are not a neglected issue . As for maintaining ? Every heavy machine needs constant maintenance . Even the simplest of guns will requires constant cleaning after all. Same as any constantly used machine that needs to always perform at its best.

@diggacha

3 жыл бұрын

It also doesn't offer a lot over the M777. You still have to carry ammo to it. You still have to load propellent. For some reason the primer is disturbingly more complicated. Height of the breech is ridiculous if you ever have to shoot degraded. About the only good thing is gunners won't get lazy with the ram rod.

@coolz-aj9516

3 жыл бұрын

@WithAStick AngryWhiteMan maintenance is very important, for example, the f35 can only fly 1 time every 5 days, so a bunch of su30s can destroy a f35 while its underdoing maintenance, luckily russia can't afford alot of su30s. the amount of time it takes to load that artillery is horrible, isis will be laughing at US if they sent this piece of junk in battle.

@gefiltafish2187

3 жыл бұрын

@WithAStick AngryWhiteMan omg lol. HE IS LOOKING AT THE MONITOR On the ground U NUMNUT LOL. That is a bloody measuring unit.

@gefiltafish2187

3 жыл бұрын

@@diggacha you make some good points.. but we can clearly see this is not the final version. I wonder the same thing myself about the propellant. But the propellant is light weight after all.. thus, not requiring fancy lifting. Also. They usually like to make Israeli weapons to fit variable ammunition’s and propellants in a single unit. That may also account for the way every part of that unit, seems to measure and re measure the shells as well. All and all. This entire unit seems more fitting to third world countries that need some cheap reliable units. I’m saying that cause I know the Israeli have operational units that can fire at least 3 shells in a row if not more.. Fast and accurate with variations on time of impact so you can create a wide killing zone where they all hit at the same time.

What's autonomous with a system that requires a guy dropping the propellant charges in?

@natemorga

5 жыл бұрын

yeah what the fuck fire everyone that designed that!

@tigbitsss1133

4 жыл бұрын

It has a different load for different distances so that's why they are doing it by hand

@maxkonig559

4 жыл бұрын

It depends on what the application is for since we're not in star trek era yet.

@WolfeSaber9933

4 жыл бұрын

Failsafe, if the weapoms miss fired.

@jerromedrakejr9332

4 жыл бұрын

@@maxkonig559 This is not Star trek technology but it is still fully automated: kzread.info/dash/bejne/pG2BzJWEhq3Fj8Y.html Plus, what is the point of automated towed howitzer?

I was an Artilleryman in the Marines. We were firing the WWII 105mm and the M198 155mm. While I appreciate the technology on this hardware, I agree with some of the posts on this forum. Too many parts that can go wrong and it looks like an Arty Mech's nightmare..

@stuartmcarthur6705

2 жыл бұрын

Super stable platform when firing. Moving parts are mostly hydraulics. Not really difficult to maintain. Pipe bursts mostly.

@wachtamrhein3022

2 жыл бұрын

@@stuartmcarthur6705 Despite my original observation, it does look impressive. Hopefully, the pipe issue can be resolved. Are they going to mount it as SP?

I'm honestly more shocked at a MIC KZread video that has comments turned on than any innovation shown here.

@cstgraphpads2091

3 жыл бұрын

You must be new to KZread, especially with an unironic use of "MIC".

Elbit also makes the worlds most advanced fighter pilot helmets, you eyeball a target, it get hit, etc..The US uses in joint effort those Helmets as well.

as an ex artilleryman to many moving parts what can go wrong will go wrong

@razgriss5882

5 жыл бұрын

indeed, they built the semi automatic howitzer just because, and in doing so they forget the basic principle of K.I.S.S.

@ibstar82portage94

5 жыл бұрын

Yo for sure, if it ain't broke don't fix it..

@Frontline_view_kaiser

5 жыл бұрын

Theres also way too much electronics. One blast of desert heat or a nearby impact and the whole thing goes fritz

@strizhi6717

5 жыл бұрын

@@razgriss5882 Artillery engineers: what the hell is K.I.S.S.?! - I keep forgetting and feel simply stupid...nah screw it lets see how fast we can unload 3 shells on to the enemy with the most moving parts.

@mungo7136

5 жыл бұрын

I am just looking at it and asking myself: OMG, how many parts it has? All those frames, bolts, tubes, connectors ... It is shaking, flinching all the time. It is not just "it can go wrong", it would be also nightmare to find out what exactly went wrong and what had to be repaired / replaced.

my back feels better for the boys sending it

It's an interesting concept, but it still requires a crew to load propellant manually, presumably as a safety feature to prevent the gun from going berzerk if it suffers a technical malfunction or its gunnery systems are hijacked. The integrated Ammo Crane is exceptional, though. I'm sure gunners will appreciate the choice of loading using a mechanized arm over breaking their backs.

3 rounds in ten seconds, plus it takes more seconds to put another 3 rounds in the ammo rack. I understand that this would make it more easier and would make it require less crew, but it would come at a price regarding overall effectiveness. A standard crew on a standard 155 can load faster and can load constantly. In the battlefield every second counts and even just one second difference can save your life. I don't know the specifics of this thing, but looking at it, it looks like if one system breaks, it compromises the entire gun. A well trained crew could even fire more rounds than an autoloading system plus much more reliable I'm no expert, but. If you're willing to listen to ideas/advice, it's that, don't overthink and overcomplicate things, you'll only end up creating more problems and using a lot more of money and probably end up just scrapping it. Just keep things simple. Simple but effective

@simpleman9208

2 жыл бұрын

You see the slop in the loading crane? That thing shaking around with 3 155s is going to wear out fast and be very maintenance intense/unreliable. Neat but this is a solution looking for a problem.

@ozbejsturm544

2 жыл бұрын

i think thats for countries with lower manpower than their competetors. think it like iran israel for example. if you re putting 4 man crew on a weapon that usually requires 5-6 man crew. it makes an effective solution to the problem.

It looks like a mess of wiring harnesses waiting to fail at the worst possible time

@FatGouf

3 жыл бұрын

I guess in the long run, pure grunt work of 7-8 guys would still outlast autoloaders.

@prjndigo

3 жыл бұрын

powder bags DO NOT LIKE HYDRO OIL either

@prjndigo

3 жыл бұрын

@@FatGouf Most of those guys could lay and fire. Automate shit too much and you get the fish/cut bait problem. The reason we surround our old-school systems with soldiers is a guy with a rifle is what wins wars.

@UnyieldingSeraph

3 жыл бұрын

Oh yes, harsh environments, less than ideal handling. What could possibly go wrong? One thing it will definitely do automatically is fail exactly when you don't want it to.

@billwhoever2830

3 жыл бұрын

I agree with you but, the current limitation for artillery is the strength of the men operating them This type of projects open a new window for larger guns being fielded in the future The larger guns dont actualy have to replace the current 155mm ones A larger gun has longer range and much better destructive power Bunker busting was a thing in the past and it could be in the future Using guided projectiles can be much more cost effective the bigger they are

What’s the point of an automated system when you still have the same number of people operating it?

@ethanadkins4052

3 жыл бұрын

facts

@Fromheaven007

3 жыл бұрын

Backpain saving.

@jegergladformad86

3 жыл бұрын

its not a shoemaking machine in china. its all about volume of fire. not manpower, i would guess it is safer aswell no fumbling around with live shells i think a 155mm HE is about 50kg. i would want two sturdy guy's to carrie a shell if i had only manpower availabe. this seems too be a common solution on atillery the ammo crane is not a new invention by any means

Скорострельность как в 16веке, зато расчет не устает))) 👍👍👍👏👏👏

@alex966319805

5 жыл бұрын

Чтобы "ихтамнетов" ебашить самое то!!! :-)

@user-eg4dk6yy7o

5 жыл бұрын

@@alex966319805 Иди мову учи.

@Antoniobanderos11

5 жыл бұрын

@@alex966319805 Ты откуда выполз стратег,даже ребенок сейчас знает что прославленная и самая сильная на континенте выбрала котловое уничтожение ихтамнетов,уже семь котлов организовали,и непосредственно прямо из котлов уничтожают целые дивизии ихтамнетов и я тебе скажу уничтожают так что остатки этих дивизий вообще никто найти не может.Так что им не нужны все эти штучки как на этом видео)))

@alex966319805

5 жыл бұрын

@@Antoniobanderos11 Слава Украине!

@Antoniobanderos11

5 жыл бұрын

@@alex966319805 Ага,это точно.Смерть творогам!!!

Manual loading would kill this thing, if the mission is 4 shells.

Like from Azerbaijan !!!

...machine never gets tired...

I need one of these! Still needs a 30 round magazine!

noice! i didnt know that it was such a process, in the movies, it make it look like FIRE, NEW SHELL, FIRE AGAIN but its more complicated then i though, plus this is a heavy round

thank you for your service all of you

Perfect, Very good!

Congratulations #Elbit Elbit won 400 Athos howitzers order for India Army .

@nandishpathak1645

5 жыл бұрын

& here goes out record breaking ATAGS in vain.. sometimes i think our enemy is not our western neighbour but vested power who just delayed our process so long that army got to do emergency purchase & further make it permanent components with no design & development tot but just nut & bolt thing

@swaghauler8334

5 жыл бұрын

@Andris Falks Towed artillery is still needed for Mountain, Heliborne, and Airborne troops but the majority of artillery should be mechanized in a first-rate army. That being said, there are lots of poor armies out there that cannot afford SP platforms. However, I agree that this platform is the worst of both worlds. It is heavy (due to automation), and complex/expensive while still being towed. Most towed units tend toward simplicity to reduce weight and logistics costs.

@swaghauler8334

5 жыл бұрын

@Andris Falks I'm NOT mixing two things! This is the OPERATIONAL DOCTRINE for advancing using Marine Amphibious techniques AND for AIR ASSAULT operations. The guns WITH PRIME MOVERS accompanying (slung under a second helo) are dropped in advance of conventional ground forces because helicopters can move much faster than trucks can. The gun crews then assemble in the FOB and operate NORMALLY. I HAVE DONE THIS! It is SOP for the 10th Mountain as well as the 101st and 82nd. You seem to think that the helicopters that can lift an M777 CANNOT lift a 5-Ton. You are wrong in this assumption. I (and the 5-Ton I drove) have been airlifted by both a Chinook AND an Osprey. Hell, the 82nd airdrops howitzers and their 5-Ton prime movers as well as light tanks, APCs, HUMVEEs and a number of other large objects. In fact, The C-5 regularly transports M1 Abrams MBTs.

@immortalwarrior2695

5 жыл бұрын

PARA commando 08 variety is important. Every army uses Different types of artillery. India is not Different. Just because we made a deal for Athos means our artillery will go in trash.

@aniruddhamulay2932

4 жыл бұрын

@@nandishpathak1645 150 ATAGS already ordered. This ATHOS 2052 seems to be an emergency purchase until ATAGS comes in

As someone who worked on Elbit IBM mainframe clones I was just waiting for an armed and fused shell to be rammed into a closed breech block ensuing fun, games and fireworks for all concerned :)

Muito bom o canhão 👍

I was looking forward to no humans at all. I guess judgement day will have to wait.

Wow those are the biggest bullets I have ever seen :)

Armamento incrivel.

Looks like it will fit in my backyard. I'll take one each.

Very interesting !

Too complicated and expensive for a simple howitzer. Take that gun on an armored and much more mobile chassis and it will make more sense.

@prjndigo

3 жыл бұрын

a flatbed truck full of drones with 20 mile range and 12kg main charges would probably make more sense than this shit

@quinnmoore5985

3 жыл бұрын

Amazing what a mortar and a Toyota Technical is capable of lol.

When the loading system is more advanced than the gun

new first time tech is great

Beautiful

Shout out 👍 good job 👍

It looks waaay too much complicated. These moving parts and automatic systems will be a constant headache for a crew to repair

@Ulexcool

3 жыл бұрын

I mean yes... if the crew is made of retarded grunts yes.

@johnxina53

3 жыл бұрын

Artillery crews are usually not made of the brightest people anyway

Artillery has come a long way since the mid 19th Century.

Round runner/rammer on an M777. Few problems here. 1: a good crew can maintain the same rate of fire no problem. And we can do it for longer, as we can ready rack ALL rounds in emergencies and fire them all continuously without having to use a crane. 2: check firing. If the fire mission was bad, and the weapon auto fires, then it would send one more or two more bad rounds on target. 3: too reliant on tech. Tech is nice, but how is that gonna fire effectively and quickly during degraded fires? 4: in the event charges must be cut differently for each fire (using old bag charges like that), that will waste time, plus there is no magazine that autoloads those charges. So even if they were using up to date charges, they wouldn't be able to load them quickly like manual cannoneers or the Archer weapons system can.

Very powerful artillery gun

I was a military Engineer, not a grunt or an Artilleryman so take my comment for what it's worth: I've watched videos of the M198 and the M777 being fired. It seems to me that the older, un-automated system would be able to keep up a greater and maintained barrage as opposed to everything coming to a halt as the three round magazine is reloaded in the ATHOS. I'd be interested in hearing what an Artilleryman who has crewed both the M198 and M777 has to say.

My only question really is if it is able to be completed manually operated still. Seems like a lot of parts to possibly wear or malfunction. I see a lot of vibration and wiggly bits

Advanced technology like the Japanese robots from the 70's, only there the automation was complete and here you still need to help the machine! :)

Fantastic. The first hit in proximity will break all this stuff including the plastic joystick and the robot arm. :)

so, Elbit just been caught spying on the Aussies. Naughty naughty

The question is: will it be able to operate in manual if the auto reloading system fail?. Talking about robustness.

A lot of people seem to be shitting on this system but it does have potential. Although it cannot fire as fast as a crew, what happens when the crew is doing this all day? They get slower and may make mistakes. Although machines do eventually fail, they will keep running at a more consistent rate for prolonged fire. You can also reduce the crew by a lot. Although It doesn't say the full crew size, a crew of 3 can come close to the volume of fire a 8 man crew can do. Although the system will be more expensive, this will reduce overall cost by reducing crew size. Machines are stronger then men. If we want to go up to something like 170, 205, 225mm or somewhere in that range, a human loader will be very impractical. Although we will still need to bring the ammo to the gun, the gun can handle the rest Another issue brought up is durability. Yeah, it does not look like a super durable system, but people are not very durable either. Anything that would stop this machine from working would stop a human from being able to work or even live. Although it is true that this thing is massive and cannot run or hide like people. Another thing to note is that artillery is not intended to be used on the front lines, so it will not be exposed to anything that you wouldn't expose an M777 or an M109. Last issue I want to address, is complexity and reliability. It is true, it is way more complex than a typical howitzer. And it may fail. But these are issues that will be ironed out in future versions. Many current technologies were clumsy, too expensive, or not beneficial enough when they first came out. The M16 had a lot of problems but troops today swear by it, computers used to be massive and expensive and now most people has on in their pockets, early auto-rifles were heavy, overly complex, fragile, and now are standard even with unconventional forces. Hell, early autoloaders used on T-34s and BMP-1s were overly complex and they are now standard on Russian tanks and used in a number of other tanks such as Leclerc and K2 Black Panther. Give it time, and many of these issues will be ironed out.

Even after 5 years in Artillery Cadets & becoming my Regiment's CWO, I still feel artillery is a dying breed and will likely be phased out by precision guided airstrikes.

@PappyGunn

3 жыл бұрын

That would be a mistake, there is never enough airpower to go around, Canada made the same mistake and artillery almost dissapeared. Then we went to Afghanistan and realized that artillery does have its advantages. Air support is not always on call (especially when it is not based in the same country), airpower is impermanent. We bought howitzers. And we also bought some Leopard tanks, after our armored corps almost dissapeared. Seems tank also have advantages over light mobile forces. The Army also got out of EOD (pre-Afghanistan) because they felt they were mobile and IEDs would not affect them. Yup, you gessed it, they got back into EOD right quick also.

@jaggubhai44

3 жыл бұрын

geography play a critical role.every war zone is diff. as an indian i think the bofors artillery gun and mirage 2000 planes are the two factors which decide victory on kargil conflict.

@CousinJesse1

3 жыл бұрын

An artillery shell probably costs a few hundred dollars each, but even cheap bombs & missiles cost tens of thousands at a minimum.

Yeah, that looks reliable.

The guy who is pushing the button looks very scary and thw other guy close to the weapon very calm watching to the front.😆

Excellent.

I guess the guy who simulates the automatic priming loader must be a robot

My next deer hunting gun right here.

I love it when 90% of the comments act more professional then the designers of ATHOS.

most of you who are saying this has too many moving parts or isnt as fast as Xyz really need to step back a few as this isnt new and its going to be the norm very soon. this sort of equipment is getting better every year in both efficiency and durability, also cheaper be that through less men needed to run it or the parts being less expensive to fabricate because the tooling becomes more common.

Thanks again to Israel for supporting India and transfer of technology by elbit system. thanks

Looks great When does this game come out

Отлично ! Надо создавать максимально сложные образцы техники )

@kinostory

3 жыл бұрын

да. полностью согласен.. намудрили просто пздц.. ахренеть.. Почему не сделать подачу с магазина как у автоматов или пулеметов?? нет надо млять роботизированную подачу прихирачить и т.п.

@KIR2142

3 жыл бұрын

@@kinostory почитать диванные комментарии, чуть ли не каждый гений инженерии и точно знает как правильно проектировать сложные артиллерийские и системы, а вокруг все дураки сидят.

@kinostory

3 жыл бұрын

@@KIR2142 гыгы.. уж я то знаю как проэктировать.. так что знаю о чем говорю

@kinostory

3 жыл бұрын

@@KIR2142 Вот например, простой пример лучшей организации мазагина снарядов - kzread.info/dash/bejne/mKyKtsWkka_Tfc4.html Там он намного проще организован. Барабан, и подача с него, без всяких боковых движений лап и т.д. Так что я по сути сказал все. Глупо здесь организовано

@id_Usher

2 жыл бұрын

@@kinostory ну такую схему в сухопутном варианте сложнее реализовать. И она не намного проще.

Nice Cannon!

First- class quality armaments from Israel!!!

@rhsweden

4 жыл бұрын

a clone copy of the swedish bofors 77

I was in artillery 9 years (USSR and Ukraine). The system is amazing. Why? It's all about details that non-professionals are unlikely to see. First of all, from H&S point of view. Although of course Hollywood has already come up with a better solution )))

Гвоздика вам привет передает! ))

@30-e_fevralya

3 жыл бұрын

Ахах

Elbit is also specialist in the production of security fences right? I heard that they made those large walls/fences at the israeli-egyptian border.

@ejzen11

7 жыл бұрын

Yep, not the fence itself, the sensors!

@hans2406

6 жыл бұрын

Geert Wilders #2017 And if works!

I can see so much that can and will go wrong with system when deployed.

Israeli ATHOS and Indian ATAGS gun. both are beast.

God damn nice howi

Имейте в виду , что данная Гаубица отрабатывает по целям, находясь в глубоком тылу, поэтому столь размеренная механическая загрузка тяжелой группы снарядов актуальна для данной модели, в работе с несколькими парами с поочерёдным залпом.

Вы лучшие!

I love this, can I own one in my backyard :D

Where archer fires 8-9 rounds a minute on 2 people. Same bore diameter.

It seems to be too complicated, vulnerable & fancy. I doubt it's dependability in war chaos.

@shitijsablania4995

7 жыл бұрын

amrat bansal India's ATAGS is much better than this. 3 rounds in 14 seconds.

@idharaa

7 жыл бұрын

Yes, the Indian ATAGS can fire 6 round burst in 30 seconds with 45 km range; the only gun in the world in its category capable of doing that.

@coldstarter2560

7 жыл бұрын

Count it only when it gets operational we have seen similar claims for Arjun, Tejas, Trishul, Akash, Nag, etc etc etc. they have a never ending development schedule.

@idharaa

7 жыл бұрын

What do you mean by "operational"?

@coldstarter2560

7 жыл бұрын

baabaai I mean after winter trials, summer trials, autumn trials, day trials, night trials, mountain trial, desert trial, forest trials, beach trial then army user trials and comparative trials then initial operational clearance I II III IV..........n, final operational clearance I II III IV V..... and then.... That too if the requirements are not revised a hundred times by army and if if not a critical foreign component supplier gets blacklisted Then my friend then it will get operational Even after that if "we" can make it in sufficient numbers

Nothing will replace good 'ol towed 155 howitzers (all manual that is). This one seems too clunky, and too many "automated" parts. Seems too vulnerable to failing parts.

@les07derEroberer

7 жыл бұрын

towed artillery is only good if you dont get counter fire

@mannyfernandez7028

7 жыл бұрын

just like our brand new fire engine loaded with the latest automated parts even the on and off valve closer is automated.The first time we used it the valve got stuck so we have to go back to the fire station for our old trusty all-manual fire engine wc never failed us.Yes , too much automation isnt alway a good thing.

@XoravaX

7 жыл бұрын

All manual systems are faster than automated towed systems. At least trained FDF (conscript!) artillery squads can fire one round in 7 seconds with the Tampella/Patria 155 mm gun-howitzers - which share the same very quick breech mechanism with the Soltam/Elbit and Denel cannons (due to cooperation between Tampella, Soltam and Denel in the past). Also, towed systems can avoid counter-battery fire with dispersed positions. If a battalion of 18 cannons is dispersed wide enough, the battalion/battery firing the counter fire can disable just one piece at a time. That requires only more advanced computing systems to achieve, it's not really that difficult.

@tanvirkabir4960

7 жыл бұрын

It would be disabled by an EMP strike.

@XoravaX

7 жыл бұрын

Yeah, but to date there's just one way to produce a larger area EMP - nuclear explosion in ionosphere. The smaller flux generator EMP's produce just one millionth (0,001%) of the pulse energy compared to an ionospheric nuclear explosion.

Everyone keeps mentioning the moving parts of the machine. I'm sure they have considered that weakness. There's a lot of factors involved in choosing a weapons system. Unless your the engineer or have had experience with it, I wouldn't criticize it so harshly for its reliability. There's a lot of modern machinery that appear very complex but are still used. Take a look at a modern car engine.

Looks very much like our old Swedish Haubits 77.

That's really old school

Капитанамана! Батарейканама кончилася! Пушкимана больше пух-пух не делать!

very cool and impressive, but even if this had alot of improvements with magazine capacity and full automation idk why you'd want this over a manual crew

I went to get groceries, cleaned the house and wrote a novel before that thing got ready to fire.

that dude in the front is a bad ass

Poderia ter um carregador automático e ter uma cadência de tiro maior ... mas é uma bela peça de artilharia.

The average dog is a nicer person than the average person

@PappyGunn

3 жыл бұрын

Tastes better too, right?

howitzer 👍

Nice

Love isreal brother...from india.....😇😇😇😇congo to sir....benjamin for again president..

very good

Ceaser in french is so impresing

I would hate to see this thing be a replacement, its so much more fun to do it manually with your battle buddies, compete against other platoons and just simply find ways to make loading faster together.

is this for the 155 round only, or possible for 215 round system too?

great

อยากได้รุ่นนี้ทันสมัยมาก

好先进 呀

Look like Bofors

Классно всё быстро, удобно и вообще, но для войны слишком сложно как мне кажется.

@user-di3jy9um1k

3 жыл бұрын

@@vnazarenko а вы с какой целью интересуетесь!?

@---ng9dc

3 жыл бұрын

Система полный отстой. Долгое развертывание. Длительное обслуживание между выстрелами. Ручная зарядка картузов.

@user-di3jy9um1k

3 жыл бұрын

@@vnazarenko ваше повествование оказалось плодом ваших ложных умозаключений. У меня дед всю жизнь проработал в ОПК инженером и я много чего военного облазил в том числе и гаубиц! Я в младшей школе патроны на вкладыши менял! А в чем сегодня проблема увидеть оружие и технику!? Я в "Патриоте" два раза был, на Дмитровке в танковом музее, на "Поклонной горе"!! В чём суть вашего "повествования", в том что вы владеете опытом стрельбы из данного орудия во время бд!? Я же сказал, что предполагаю...

Суперь оружия👍👍👍👍👍

I suppose that the parts that will need replaced or repaired often are cheaper than backs .

Who came here after Indian army declared of buying this gun

are these guns accurate to 100 yards or 1/4 mile ?

Looks nice, where can i buy one?

@malfiq

7 жыл бұрын

EBay..or Amazon.. for sure...

@117nighthawk2

7 жыл бұрын

thats only peanut

@mydreamsarehappening

6 жыл бұрын

Scratch Alladins magic lamp....

A really good number one man can get off three rounds in 30 seconds

@swaghauler8334

5 жыл бұрын

I've seen a good crew on the M198 ROUTINELY get off 3 rounds in 24 seconds. I've heard rumor of M777 gun crews besting the M198's record significantly. Hell, we got off 3 rounds in 30 seconds on an OLD (and I mean OLD) M114 "hog" during our training transition from the M110 203mm/8" SP to the M198 155mm/6" in the early '90s (Bravo Battery 4-92 FA).