El Salvador: MS-13 vs. Barrio 18
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With its sandy beaches, Spanish colonial architecture and volcanic lakes lined with restaurants, El Salvador has all the assets of a dream tourist destination. Yet foreign visitors are rare. The reason: this tiny state in Central America is the most dangerous countries in the world.
Since the 1990s, the country has been torn apart by a gang war. Members of MS-13 and Barrio 18 fight a war for control of the neighbourhoods. Julio, one of the leaders of Barrio 18, opens up before the camera and lets us film the induction ceremony for a new member.
Forensic pathologist, Riccardo, specializes in the toughest crime scenes.
For this documentary, the Salvadoran government also authorized us to enter the high security prison of San Francisco Gotera. Inside, 1,700 gang members are held in deplorable conditions of hygiene and overcrowding. From morning to night, the prisoners are subjected to a true evangelical religious conditioning and the sworn enemies of rival gangs must learn to cohabit in the same cells.
Welcome to the world of the Salvadoran mareros, a ruthless universe where death punctuates daily life and where people murder for a fistful of dollars.
Director: Vincent Prado
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Take this garbage down, this is old news and El Salvador has been the safest country in Central America since 2023. All because of the great president Nayib Bukele .
@kalanbarrera309
10 күн бұрын
1000000% agree
@ask-mw5hk
9 күн бұрын
el salvador is still dangerous, stop defending that clown!
@ask-mw5hk
9 күн бұрын
@@kalanbarrera309I disagree!
@JamesGodfrey-zn9fs
5 күн бұрын
It’s a smear campaign to try and change the narrative lol
@jc6781
5 күн бұрын
@@ask-mw5hk ... all criminals do ! you probably benefited from the old corrupt system
That jump-in for 18 Street was exactly the same as the jump-in I got when I joined the Mickey Mouse Club.
@paulwar7064
19 күн бұрын
😂😂 good one
@maksfaaoa3264
19 күн бұрын
hahaha it was soft but don't get it twisted that kid getting jumped in is a killer
@confuseddad2865
18 күн бұрын
HAHAhA these guys are morons
@503nation
17 күн бұрын
thats the mao mao clika
@jeramiahlarosa1371
16 күн бұрын
😂
now they're all in prison
That jump in was the worst I’ve seen, looks they were trying to get a soccer ball away from a kid 😂😂😂😂
@tmac574
16 күн бұрын
Them baby pillow punches 😬
@papidamuddafucare4699
16 күн бұрын
that was exactly what i gonna say..! it was a p4t3thic silly weak jump in, he probably didnt get a single scratch or nothing! xD
@cxvisuals9710
16 күн бұрын
CRAZY! 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@johnbarajas-ps7hk
16 күн бұрын
i turned it off as soon as i saw that weak asf
@nelsonmorales8581
15 күн бұрын
Is 2024 even that change after BUKELE hahaha
This is long time ago, things have changed a lot recently. Well done to Bukeye and El Salvadorians to make their beautiful country livable again.
@norneva775
16 күн бұрын
Literally said 2019 in the video 18:14 mark
@jdu2580
15 күн бұрын
Exactly
@jc6781
13 күн бұрын
@@norneva775 ... yup, it's old ..... went to surf city for vacation .... it's unrecognizable compared to this docu (for the better). The capital doesn't look like that anymore or the coast. It's a cool little country now
@ask-mw5hk
9 күн бұрын
el salvador is still dangerous!
@jdu2580
9 күн бұрын
@@ask-mw5hk no more if not less than Chicago Detroit, FL , S. Central Los Angeles or NYC
This is obviously a really old video, El Salvador is the safest country in the Americas.
@SootyHunt
17 күн бұрын
8:26 calendar in the background
@hello12229
17 күн бұрын
I just went and it felt safer than a major US city. The compound I stayed in had 3 rings of security with armed patrols, but all the guards have been laid off.
@bigbwitdathirdeyeopen4526
16 күн бұрын
Not sure about that they say that about Nicaragua and have been for awhile out of all central American countries neither gang has had anything to do there because of the dictatorship that's been there all these years
@jc6781
16 күн бұрын
@UChx_uBVCWFgmwQMzbN_TKqQ .... it's published on KZread recently but this is very old ..... the city doesn't even look like that anymore ..... it's now the safest country in the Americas
@JohnDoe-lx5rm
16 күн бұрын
El Slavador is the safest county in S America? This is so hard to believe after watching this video, even though some say its an old video
I loved this beautiful country when I travelled El Salvador 🇸🇻 in 2013 . I did not face any problem. People were nice and I did not know how to speak Spanish . I travelled from USA 🇺🇸 to Costa Rica 🇨🇷 Nicaragua 🇳🇮 Honduras 🇭🇳 el Salvador 🇸🇻 Guatemala 🇬🇹 back to USA 🇺🇸
@jart122
15 күн бұрын
That’s because this video is old. El Salvador no longer has this problem anymore. Gangs are a thing of the past because of the Nayib Bukele and his new party.
@altarique123
15 күн бұрын
@@jart122 hope the country is doing good
@pajarovago2283
15 күн бұрын
While he violates human inocent rights behind bars whose are not gang members but got locked in just for living in a bad reputation place where gangs were controlling sad truth that nobody want to talk about, because if you do they come for you @@jart122
@jdu2580
15 күн бұрын
Exactly 💯
@jdu2580
15 күн бұрын
Bro this documentary is not accurate El Salvador is way more safe than the last 30 yrs in a history making National move most gang members have been incarcerated China has invested funds in the downtown Santa Ana modern library some call what El Salvador's president did is inhumane-incarcerating most gang members took away bed cushions and feeds em 1 ☝🏼 meal a day if the decide to have their partners kill on the st- but the pres says because no 1 around the world 🌎 helped prior to now don't speak on it historical change is now here this docu is outdated fukin old news 📰🗞️
All gangsters fighting over who gets to use the shithouse that has a roof on it...
@mr.willywinker4u849
21 күн бұрын
😂😂😂😂
@mr.willywinker4u849
21 күн бұрын
They all want to be king shit of turd island 😂😂
@nahlejdrappah6231
21 күн бұрын
@@mr.willywinker4u849 Only poop in my house Is me poop in my house.
@Crackerbarrelkid56
18 күн бұрын
Their fighting for which barrio gets turned into a Walmart 1st.
@jc6781
16 күн бұрын
that doesn't exist there anymore .... this is old
That initiation was so weak they will recruit anyone
@huemann7637
19 күн бұрын
For real 😂
@user-us7jo3sv8n
17 күн бұрын
You missed the point. 🤦🏾♀️
@jc6781
16 күн бұрын
that's not the real initiation ....
@PhamHanrin
16 күн бұрын
it's for docu only. not real
@charldb972
13 күн бұрын
Numbers is power
Great thanks so much 💗💕
This is a very powerful documentary. Thank you!!
@newsouthwalesuploads.7509
18 күн бұрын
pity its about 5 years old 'at least n its nothing like this now lol
@jdu2580
15 күн бұрын
Bro this documentary is not accurate El Salvador is way more safe than the last 30 yrs in a history making National move most gang members have been incarcerated China has invested funds in the downtown Santa Ana modern library some call what El Salvador's president did is inhumane-incarcerating most gang members took away bed cushions and feeds em 1 ☝🏼 meal a day if the decide to have their partners kill on the st- but the pres says because no 1 around the world 🌎 helped prior to now don't speak on it historical change is now here this docu is outdated fukin old news 📰🗞️
@RokInostroza81
13 күн бұрын
@@newsouthwalesuploads.7509 so what it doesn't change the fact that this is happening or has happened in this country.
Makes me realize my life isn’t all that bad…
@user-ik1sd4qk6e
18 күн бұрын
😂😂😂
@sasozilianlepirei8889
16 күн бұрын
Your life sucks
Just when I thought my life sucked
@paugasolina5048
20 күн бұрын
yea. these people dont even have a chance
@waylonishere5239
18 күн бұрын
@@paugasolina5048yes they do
@johnfernandez2060
18 күн бұрын
@@paugasolina5048they really don’t. God bless 🇺🇸
@robertomaricruz6026
17 күн бұрын
@@johnfernandez2060im from usa and most usa city kids don't stand a chance. Chicago got a higher murder rate than Iraq
@jc6781
16 күн бұрын
@@johnfernandez2060 ... yes they do ... this is very old .... especially since companies like Google are opening offices
Sadly Best Documentary Did NOT depicted the time of the events. This was filmed back in 2010. This is NOT El Salvador now.
@seewhathappenslarry8124
19 күн бұрын
They mention the president declaring a state of emergency in 2019 though
@LENINsWORLD
19 күн бұрын
🚨HIGHLIGHT THIS COMMENT!🚨
@AwesomeSanglier
19 күн бұрын
the documentary is from 2021
@confusedbadger6275
18 күн бұрын
Nice try but doc is from 2021, sorry, your country's still a shithole.
@jdu2580
15 күн бұрын
Bro this documentary is not accurate El Salvador is way more safe than the last 30 yrs in a history making National move most gang members have been incarcerated China has invested funds in the downtown Santa Ana modern library some call what El Salvador's president did is inhumane-incarcerating most gang members took away bed cushions and feeds em 1 ☝🏼 meal a day if gang leaders decide to have their partners kill on the st- but the pres says because no 1 around the world 🌎 helped prior to now don't speak on it historical change is now here this docu is outdated fukin old news 📰🗞️
Their president Bukele got rid of all the gangs. It went from the most dangerous country to the safest country
@jdu2580
15 күн бұрын
Exactly 💯
@jdu2580
15 күн бұрын
Bro this documentary is not accurate El Salvador is way more safe than the last 30 yrs in a history making National move most gang members have been incarcerated China has invested funds in the downtown Santa Ana modern library some call what El Salvador's president did is inhumane-incarcerating most gang members took away bed cushions and feeds em 1 ☝🏼 meal a day if gang leaders decide to have their partners kill on the st- but the pres says because no 1 around the world 🌎 helped prior to now don't speak on it historical change is now here this docu is outdated fukin old news 📰🗞️
Some crazy numbers!
Old documentary. The lady working at the forensic office has a calendar hanging on the wall dating back 2019!
@RokInostroza81
13 күн бұрын
that's so long ago huh?
@jc6781
13 күн бұрын
@@RokInostroza81 .... it is ! the country did a 180 in record time .... the new president got tough .... all those criminals are in jail. That country is now hosting large international events that require a safe environment like Ms.Universe and the world longboard competition ... and Google offices just opened up there also
@elguerokabron
4 күн бұрын
Not old tf 😂
@jc6781
4 күн бұрын
@@elguerokabron ... very old footage ... the country doesn't even look like that anymore ... this is more akin to click bait
How old is this ? El Salvador is nothing like this anymore. It’s beautiful, safe and changing for the better. Please update your thumbnail to reflect the date this was made.
@arussianspy3114
21 күн бұрын
I’m pretty sure this channel takes French documentaries and re-narrates them to English. The original was released in 2021.
@tabularasa7775
21 күн бұрын
Places don't just change over night , it's been plagued with gang violence for decades , i bet you travelled/lived in the nice parts . Everywhere has nice parts and they also have places you don't go .
@DERRTYCHYBO
21 күн бұрын
Yeah ok
@AK-GER
21 күн бұрын
Bukele cleaned up the last three years - it is one of the safest places by now
@mandelorean6243
21 күн бұрын
It's a part of its recent history, knock it off, we're not going to keep updating videos picture every year, and of course ONLY if it's for the better. Do they need to change the stats in video, edit it yearly too? Stop it.
This video should have been posted 5 years ago
This old documentary, new president cleaned up streets
The president of El Salvador did it he is beating these gangs
This is a good seeing on how we need to appreciate how we live in our own home , whoever has it good
Always watching from Georgetown Guyana south America 🇬🇾
How old is this documentary? Saw the calendar at the beginning 2019? Things have changed a lot is my understanding
That put on was light compared to our put ons in California
@Breal30541
19 күн бұрын
Yeah hah. Big bad wolf
este documenntal es antiguo no refleja la realidad de hoy.
What year did this documentary come out.
@Joyovaflowat52
21 күн бұрын
1990s
@mactator510
21 күн бұрын
The vid showed a calender of 2019, so probably afterwards
mas neste ano ainda não havia BUKELE, agora El Salvador é concerteza o país mais SEGURO da America latina para visitar, que DEUS abencôe EL SALVADOR e a politica do presidente BUKELE!
HI BERY GOOD DOCUMENTARY GUYS 👍 GOD BLESSED YOU ALL FOR SOCH A GOOD FILM🙏👏👏👍👍
@jdu2580
15 күн бұрын
Bro this documentary is not accurate El Salvador is way more safe than the last 30 yrs in a history making National move most gang members have been incarcerated China has invested funds in the downtown Santa Ana modern library some call what El Salvador's president did is inhumane-incarcerating most gang members took away bed cushions and feeds em 1 ☝🏼 meal a day if the decide to have their partners kill on the st- but the pres says because no 1 around the world 🌎 helped prior to now don't speak on it historical change is now here this docu is outdated fukin old news 📰🗞️
Hopefully, you'll grow out of it, because there are only so many fancies until boredom sets in, and you turn to living your life for life's sake by helping others to their best.🎉
Now el salvador is the most secure country in america...thank a GOD and thank you president bukele...
@jdu2580
15 күн бұрын
Bro this documentary is not accurate El Salvador is way more safe than the last 30 yrs in a history making National move most gang members have been incarcerated China has invested funds in the downtown Santa Ana modern library some call what El Salvador's president did is inhumane-incarcerating most gang members took away bed cushions and feeds em 1 ☝🏼 meal a day if gang leaders decide to have their partners kill on the st- but the pres says because no 1 around the world 🌎 helped prior to now don't speak on it historical change is now here this docu is outdated fukin old news 📰🗞️
@BonVoyage861
14 күн бұрын
I will prefer to be in Canada or White USA
@droidxtubc-3494
13 күн бұрын
hahahaha evn shitty usaa itss garbage compare to el salvador safety
Hola para aquel que mira este VIDEO,gracias a nuestro creador mando el sr.presidente Nayib Bukele y esta hacienda justicia al mal, para ser limpieza al pueblo para vivir mejor en PAZ Y sin MIEDO a las malas obras de MALAS PERSONAS!! BENDICIONES PUEBLO SALVADOREÑO. BLESSED BE YOUR NAME HASHEM
You can never stop your son from getting into trouble, but guaranteed you can teach your son everyday from a toddler to never do anything mom wouldn’t do.
A life that will lead to a slow and painful existence as the years pass ..old age will never be experienced for most
When was this made bc its all diffrent now mate
@DanRaidersWarriorsSharksGiants
17 күн бұрын
8:41 July 2019
@newsouthwalesuploads.7509
15 күн бұрын
@@DanRaidersWarriorsSharksGiants ya well its changed drastically since 2019 mate i can assure u this, just google it or look on KZread wit the new prison they built wat hosts 70 k, the streets r safe basically now. they lock up anyone wit a gang tattoo even i8f there not breaking the law at the time.
@jdu2580
15 күн бұрын
Bro this documentary is not accurate El Salvador is way more safe than the last 30 yrs in a history making National move most gang members have been incarcerated China has invested funds in the downtown Santa Ana modern library some call what El Salvador's president did is inhumane-incarcerating most gang members took away bed cushions and feeds em 1 ☝🏼 meal a day if gang leaders decide to have their partners kill on the st- but the pres says because no 1 around the world 🌎 helped prior to now don't speak on it historical change is now here this docu is outdated fukin old news 📰🗞️
Blurring images also covers the caption text... How was that not noticed and fixed before posting! 😒
Both of these gangs were born in California and still heavily operate in the US, especially MS. They made their way to Central America through deportation in the 90s after the civil wars ended in El Salvador.
This is not the current situation this videos must be very old all the information here is not current and this video is really outdated
@SALVACASTILLO21
9 күн бұрын
video is from July, 2019
@raulvalle6200
9 күн бұрын
It’s got mixed older Information
This video is old a shit, Salvador is now the safest place in the continent.
@DanRaidersWarriorsSharksGiants
17 күн бұрын
It was only 5 years ago is it really that different?
@VGAPI
17 күн бұрын
@@DanRaidersWarriorsSharksGiants yes, current president actually declare war on all gangs and has practically eliminated them all from having control on the country, you can’t even throw gang signs anymore, you will go to jail for life for that simple thing. Look it up man, very interesting turn of events in the El Salvador. Good stuff.
@DanRaidersWarriorsSharksGiants
17 күн бұрын
@@VGAPI Even in this video from 5 years ago they said they outlawed new members from getting tattoos. That one leader was saying he was afraid to go out some places because he knew he could get arrested. Good for the country to try to solve the problem though as many others do not.
Que fecha fue esto
Did they change the secret knock?
I love your documentars
@jdu2580
15 күн бұрын
Bro this documentary is not accurate El Salvador is way more safe than the last 30 yrs in a history making National move most gang members have been incarcerated China has invested funds in the downtown Santa Ana modern library some call what El Salvador's president did is inhumane-incarcerating most gang members took away bed cushions and feeds em 1 ☝🏼 meal a day if gang leaders decide to have their partners kill on the st- but the pres says because no 1 around the world 🌎 helped prior to now don't speak on it historical change is now here this docu is outdated fukin old news 📰🗞️
Amen
When was this made?
@DaWootzi
17 күн бұрын
Old video.
@joshuamitchell5018
16 күн бұрын
I think this is from year 2 or 3 BB (Before Bukele) because the gangs exist here.
@rollersoze
8 күн бұрын
2019
Hello, there is no documentary tape with translation into Arabic, please....?
@user-ik1sd4qk6e
18 күн бұрын
You can set your TV to your language.
@aminemberek6450
6 сағат бұрын
Please, my friend, I do not know how to do that. I want your help so that I can follow the steps. Please, I am waiting for a response. Thank you
This in old documentary when they show the historical center of San Salvador you can see the old national library I say probably 2015
@DanRaidersWarriorsSharksGiants
17 күн бұрын
It says 2019 in the video
old?
I thought all the gang members got locked up in el salvador
@jdu2580
15 күн бұрын
They did
@jdu2580
15 күн бұрын
Bro this documentary is not accurate El Salvador is way more safe than the last 30 yrs in a history making National move most gang members have been incarcerated China has invested funds in the downtown Santa Ana modern library some call what El Salvador's president did is inhumane-incarcerating most gang members took away bed cushions and feeds em 1 ☝🏼 meal a day if gang leaders decide to have their partners kill on the st- but the pres says because no 1 around the world 🌎 helped prior to now don't speak on it historical change is now here this docu is outdated fukin old news 📰🗞️
When was this documentary was madre???because nowadays these criminals are in Jaír for life (CECOT)
@AwesomeSanglier
19 күн бұрын
2021
@rollersoze
8 күн бұрын
july 2019
Poverty and lack of opportunity is what keeps this fire fueled, we need to close the gap between the Uber wealthy and the extremely poor if we really wish to balance the scales!
@jdu2580
15 күн бұрын
I believe they call it disparity between rich 💰 and poor 💩
The tattoos literally reveals who they are
@doriandundee9906
17 күн бұрын
That's the point
This must be old. El Salvador is moving in the right direction.
Very sobering
@jdu2580
15 күн бұрын
Bro this documentary is not accurate El Salvador is way more safe than the last 30 yrs in a history making National move most gang members have been incarcerated China has invested funds in the downtown Santa Ana modern library some call what El Salvador's president did is inhumane-incarcerating most gang members took away bed cushions and feeds em 1 ☝🏼 meal a day if gang leaders decide to have their partners kill on the st- but the pres says because no 1 around the world 🌎 helped prior to now don't speak on it historical change is now here this docu is outdated fukin old news 📰🗞️
Bukele The Goat !
everyone who victimizes a gang or says that they do good things and shows it should go to jail.
HOW FUCKING OLD IS THIS??????
@Joyovaflowat52
21 күн бұрын
1990s
@DanRaidersWarriorsSharksGiants
17 күн бұрын
2019
This video is old, that doesn't happen anymore in my country 🇸🇻 El Salvador
Those guy definitely in prison now
Splain that all of this took place before Nayib Bukele be came President of El Salvador today is the safest country in Latin America including USA
“Strapped with more corral for war than elsalvador” - Eminem freestyle!
That "jump in" looked like a group of frightened little girls trying to step on a bug on the ground.
Jajajajaaj está es una parodia de las pandillas de el salvador... Soy salvadoreño y esto es una burla, eso era una. Cosa real y cruel no babosadas como está
Thats 5 years old......
@AwesomeSanglier
19 күн бұрын
2021 was 3 years ago
It’s now safe. New President took over.
this is old El Salvador is nothing like this anymore its a beautiful place to visit and live now thanks to my president Bukele.
year of filming 2019
Please report this video as "Misinformation" This video is old and they knew that before posting it, but they decided not to let the audience know that big piece of information on purpose.
That was a light looking jump in…. I think I’ve had worse in hockey games
The average income in el salvador is $2 an hr, that's not even enough to eat, joining gangs is the only source of income that pays liveable wages
It’s always these foos that are all tough in the street that are high key on that gay tip
Todos estan en el cecot Thanks bukele, for keep el salvador safe
Was that the weakest gang initiation ever or what?
Može prijevod na Hrvatski,?bia bi van jako zahvalan.Inače pratim vaše dokumentarce,super ste.
@uppermiddlehomelessclasscl3253
21 күн бұрын
NO!
@therealrapreaper
19 күн бұрын
@@uppermiddlehomelessclasscl3253 ▪️
@jdu2580
15 күн бұрын
Bro this documentary is not accurate El Salvador is way more safe than the last 30 yrs in a history making National move most gang members have been incarcerated China has invested funds in the downtown Santa Ana modern library some call what El Salvador's president did is inhumane-incarcerating most gang members took away bed cushions and feeds em 1 ☝🏼 meal a day if gang leaders decide to have their partners kill on the st- but the pres says because no 1 around the world 🌎 helped prior to now don't speak on it historical change is now here this docu is outdated fukin old news 📰🗞️
It’s sad I’m glad my kids have everything in the USA
@FutureTechHQ
13 күн бұрын
Mate you guys aren’t safe in the states either
@FutureTechHQ
13 күн бұрын
America is ravaged by gun crime hate crime racism school shootings fent on the streets straight from mexico
video is 5 years old when El Salvador was the most dangerous country in the world 8:26 calendar in the background July, 2019 this video was before Nayib Bukele government now days city looks a lot different ...
So barrio 18, the most dangerous gang in the worlds most dangerous country, was just a grown man hanging around with some skinny and chubby dorky kids?
Ms13 13 seconds Barrio 18 18 second jump in 😂😂 who wouldve thought???😂😂 I swear
There are more homeless people I think Los Angeles than gang members In El Salvador 😂
I love the documentary but should we feel bad for the gangs? To me no they deceive going to jail for what they have done ❤
@ajc3267
21 күн бұрын
If you do the crime, you do the time
This is The Best Documentry I've seen🙌🏼💫
It's an old film. You only make people affraid of this beautiful country. Now Salvador is one of the safiest countries in Latin America
MAKE A NEW DOCUMENTARY. THIS IS FROM THE PAST.
You should do a documentary on the gangs in the US now they’re all here
This is bullshit as this is old news, el salvador is still getting that bad rep publicity. Show how it is right now. Way different. Today you would of not been able to meet with them mareros. Point is if you going to put El salvador 🇸🇻 out like that show active and recent news. This is old news 2019 cmon man step it up.
To joint the gang you have a pillow fight?
What year what this documentary ? Your talking about 10+ murders per day . We haven’t had any in the past few years . This is making it seem like this is happening now when it isn’t?!???????
@brandonmyers4078
20 күн бұрын
Says 2019
@user-ji7ht7vn4g
19 күн бұрын
2019. !!!!
@zionnichols7710
Күн бұрын
OK that's ridiculous to say that I'm sure it's way better but no murders😂
Glad these cowards are all locked up, thanks to President Nayib Bukele, now El Salvador 🇸🇻 is the safest country in the world
Use Frequency, to help control. Cheap and effective
I wonder whatever happened to Slappy and Duke I wonder if they are still locked up
Why block everything in the video it's pointless
This is an old video from 2019 at least
That was a weeeaaaakkkkk ass jump in 😂😂😂😂
This was 10 years ago ..
@DanRaidersWarriorsSharksGiants
17 күн бұрын
8:41 July 2019
What do you want your gang name to be, little one? My war name will be Mariposa (butterfly). Eighteen more seconds, this time go for the ball.
..a 5 second jump-in from my mother makes me deserving to be their leader..
This gang would have been sent to Russia in the 90s, they would not have survived for a long time, or to Kazan in the 70-80s
That was the softest gang jump in ever in history
Well not now…..😂😂😂😂 safest place on earth as of right now my brothers and sisters 😜
I will never understand why people have to get jumped into gangs. Has anyone ever seen one of these docs where they explain the logic? Or is it just an ancient ritual they carry on.
Ahhh! The good old days,that the opposition wants to go back to.....