This is one of those videos that when you get to the end you think "was that really almost 30 minutes it felt like 5?!" Very interesting content.

@ConstantGeekery

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

Thank you so much for taking the time of doing this video, I may be giving up on buying it as I need more speed on rendering of FCPX.

What an excellent question many of us wondered the same thing! thank you SO much for doing this video. Be blessed in all you put your hand to.

@ConstantGeekery

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you - pleased it was useful.

Thank you so SO much for a clear and detailed explanation. I’ve been through so many articles that made no sense to me until I found your channel. I really want to play Divinity 2 with my MacBook Pro 2013 Retina, but I was confused about anything related to eGPUs that I’d given up. It all gets a bit confusing as I am not too tech savvy when it comes to this, but your explanation has made me understand a bit more in terms of options that I have. Appreciate your breakdown and content! Hello from NY 🌞

@ConstantGeekery

3 жыл бұрын

I’m glad it’s been useful to you. Hello back atcha from Devon, UK 😊

What an insightful video. I was evaluating this kind of setup and you answered so many of my questions.

@ConstantGeekery

3 жыл бұрын

Glad it was useful 👍🏻

I enjoyed seeing your findings so far. I do hope that you'll give us some more results down the road. This is exciting stuff.

Thank you for making this marvellous video! I have a 2011 mac mini & Razer Core X with RX580, and it works after following your video using official adapter and tb2 cable 👍🏼👍🏼

@justinmanny86

6 ай бұрын

Have you run into any issues since you got the eGPU running on a thunder bolt2? I’m about to pull the trigger and get a razor x but my Mac Pro 2013 only has thunderbolt 2 ports

I just got it to work. It sat on my desk like paper weight and I thought it was working. 2009 Mac pro Titan Ridge. Great video.

thoroughly done, as usual... thanks. Very interesting.

@ConstantGeekery

4 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it 😊

This is what i call a Great tutorial. I’ve learned a lot of useful informations. Congratulations and greetings from Canada 🇨🇦

@ConstantGeekery

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks - glad you enjoyed it 😊

I'm a proud owner of a Mantiz Venus eGPU enclosure myself. Works beautifully for older Mac Minis. Beats the hell out of an integrated Intel gpu.

Great Video. That was a burning question for me... Thanks.

I am really enjoying these videos. I just purchased a 3.5 ghz Mac Pro this week, and these vids are so useful to me!

@ConstantGeekery

4 жыл бұрын

Glad you like them! Enjoy the new beast!

Excellent video with lots of details in it

I'm very late to your channel, but you did a superb job explaining this! I've finally got my 6,1 running Monterey, and I'm not sure an eGPU would "play nice" with that OS, but I'll stay tuned! Thank you so much for this super-clear explanation. 😁

@macgamer1973

Жыл бұрын

It work with my setup until brought a Apple Thunderbolt display

Thanks! I just sold my 2017 iMac in anticipation for whatever is coming next from Apple. I still have my Razer Core X with a Radeon Pro w7100, which I now use on my old 2012 iMac with the purge-wrangler script (thank you for that tip!). I run the OS over a 1TB SSD in thunderbolt case and the 2012 is actually working quite decently in many respects!

Hi! Thanks for this video. I followed your plan and it worked just right. Very nice!

@ConstantGeekery

3 жыл бұрын

Glad it helped!

Incredible dose of information. Like and subscribe immediately! As I do have MacBook Pro and find it not acceptable in premiere pro. e-gpu looks like quite a good solution, albeit expensive one for what you get. Thanks so much for the Mac Pro deep dive.

@ConstantGeekery

4 жыл бұрын

From what I've heard, Premiere Pro doesn't work that well with eGPU, so be sure to check the forums before you dive in! Thanks for watching and the sub - much appreciated.

Congratulations, the information is very, very interesting, your Chanel Is the best!!! Saludos desde Quito Ecuador

@ConstantGeekery

4 жыл бұрын

Thank. you 😊

eGPU successful installed on MacOS and WIN10 (Bootcamp) a MCB pro late2013 Radeon Rx 570 Thanks a lot for the brilliant video. Greetings from Germany

Thank you for sharing this helpful info.

Thanks a lot for this video . It really is very helpful for me ( MacBook Pro Late 2014 , ThunderBolt 2).

@ConstantGeekery

3 жыл бұрын

Glad it was useful - thanks for watching 👍🏻

Super interesting as always!

@ConstantGeekery

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you 😊

Hi Buddy Just finally arrived my blackmagic egpu and I did the purge-wrangler, works perfectly and now I can edit with music videos in 4k with better quality view in FCPX with no lag and indeed my LG Monitor look more amazing than before. I want to say thank you for your tutorial. Cheers 🥂 and have a great weekend 👍👍👍

@ConstantGeekery

3 жыл бұрын

I’m pleased to hear that. 😊

Thanks for the insight!

A really great video. Appreciated.

@ConstantGeekery

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you 😊

Brilliant info - thanks so much

@ConstantGeekery

3 жыл бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

This is an amazing video.

A really thorough video, thanks. I’d be interested to hear your thoughts on the benefits of using a eGPU with a MBP16 or top end iMac, as I currently edit on these using FCPX and am always look for a performance boost. Looking forward to your next video on this subject.

@ConstantGeekery

4 жыл бұрын

Perhaps we should do a comparison video. I expect it wouldn’t make much real-world difference in FCPX on either of those machines, though the RX5700XT is considerably more powerful than the discrete GPUs.

Thank you for this, and I hope your dad is still kicking butt making some sweet guitars. Glad you guys scored on the house, sounds like a perfect deal. Really appreciate the video and the insights here, thank you again and much respect.

This is a great video. It solves Trash Can video card upgrades, albeit, little slower. You can use two Thunderbolt 2 cables to egpu. To double bandwidth.

@matt2m

4 жыл бұрын

Veature_iTech really?? May have to snag one

@ConstantGeekery

4 жыл бұрын

I don't think this is possible. First you'd need some sort of two TB2 into one TB3 adapter, as every eGPU I've seen only has one TB3 connection (the BM eGPUs have two ports, but one is an output). Second, how do you link the two TB2 connections on the Mac Pro? You'd need some sort of driver to connect the two Thunderbolt / PCIe channels together. I haven't been able to find any information about either of these things. @Veature_iTech do you have a source for this, or were you just speculating?

I wish you a happy and long life. 30 minutes well spent.

I bought one of these a few years back. So glad I took advantage of the return window. It's only real plus point for me was how quiet it was. Be selling my Razer soon.

Great walkthrough! Have you tried thunderbolt 1 devices? I have a 2012 device that would greatly benefit from some extra graphic performance

@ConstantGeekery

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you 😊 I don’t have any Macs with Thunderbolt 1, so I can’t test it, but I believe It is possible. I’m guessing you will see less than half the available performance of the GPU though.

NIce, I like this guy.

@ConstantGeekery

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks 😊

Great video as normal. I love the looks of the Black Magic eGPUs even if they are not upgradeable. I wonder if the $699 or $1199 models, both discontinued now, are better than the stock D700 in my Mac Pro 2013? Maybe in a few years prices will be cheaper used and I could add one then, if they would help me at all not sure. But guessing they are newer cards so maybe?

@ConstantGeekery

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks TJ. I think it will depend a lot on what you’re doing. The D700s working together in Final Cut would probably be better than the 580, and that’s before you consider the amount of performance lost through the limitations of Thunderbolt 2. The Vega 56 may give a benefit, but whether it’s worth the cost is another question. It would improve performance in apps that are not optimised for dual GPU. On another note, I’ve been enjoying your ZX Next content - looking forward to more!

I was inspired by this video to get an eGPU. The main reason was to use my Mac Pro 6,1 with a 5120x1440 monitor. I was not able to get the Mac Pro to drive the monitor at full resolution so I figured the eGPU would help. I was interested in the Blackmagic eGPU because its made for a Mac and is supposed to be very quiet which is important to me. I know it can't be updated but I am not a gamer so I don't mind. Anyway, I rented one first to be sure it works and it does. I did do a few things differently that I wanted to point out. As far as cabling goes, I have a TB2 cable from the Mac Pro to an Apple TB2 to TB3 converter connected to the eGPU. Then I used an HDMI cable from the eGPU to the monitor directly and have no monitor cable going from the Mac Pro to the monitor at all. Not only does this work but the configuration survives reboots. I do not have to switch cables or do anything else. I did have to buy a copy of SwitchRezX to get the resolutions I needed by the way.

@ConstantGeekery

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks Marc - I’ve done a similar thing with cabling and mine also will boot up without issue now. In fact, I seem to have less issues in Catalina with the eGPU used solely, than when I use the internal cards. 🤷🏼‍♂️

Just a couple of thoughts, firstly I'm using a Razer Core X and trashcan also and I had the same problem with inconsistent startups when leaving the egpu plugged in. egpu.io found out that on the trashcan port 5 (bottom left) is the most reliable for egpu. Since moving it there I haven't had any problems with startup or shutdown. Secondly, if the thunderbolt 2 bandwidth is already the limiting factor are you not exacerbating this problem by asking this already saturated cable to carry USB data as well? Might be interesting to see a benchmark with no usb devices plugged in?

@ConstantGeekery

4 жыл бұрын

I will have a play with the ports. I have a feeling it is plugged into the bottom left at the moment. I connect my DAS via the USB for convenience - it means I can easily back up from my Mac Pro or my MBP. I only use the disks for backing up, so they weren't doing anything during the benchmark. You do raise a valid point though. If you were trying to access USB ports on eGPU whilst doing heavy graphics work, it would impact the performance.

Would love to know the loss in performance compared to t2 t3 and my machine that is an iMac 2011 with thunderbolt 1 using this ogpu and graphics card. Even if it is 60% would be faster than the actual 6970m i have.

Great informative video! I have a late 2015 IMac running Mojave and I’m thinking of doing the same thing to improve SketchUp and VRay rendering. Would this approach improve my setup significantly?

@ConstantGeekery

3 жыл бұрын

Only if those apps are heavily GPU dependant.

11:33 So even the Black Magic eGPU, you still have to do the PurgeWrangler?

@ConstantGeekery

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, you do, although purge-wrangler has now been replaced by Kryptonite which doesn’t require you to disable SIP. Apple does not officially support eGPU on any Mac that doesn’t have Thunderbolt 3.

Great video ! Have you tested VideoProc ? When connected to the eGPU, do you get full GPU acceleration with H264 and HEVC codecs ? Did you test softwares like Premiere Pro or DaVinci Resolve and see how the eGPU behaves compared to the D300's ?

@ConstantGeekery

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you 😊 I haven’t used VideoProc before. I have access to Premiere Pro, but I’ve never really used it in anger, so I don’t feel qualified to test with it. I have the full version of DaVinci Resolve, and I’m currently learning colour grading and getting more familiar with that, but again, I’m not ready to do testing with it. From other videos I’ve seen, Final Cut Pro X out-performs both those apps in many cases. DaVinci will probably benefit from eGPU, but you need the full version to get multi-GPU support (I believe). The eGPU is working on some of the H.264 on the Mac Pro - I think that can be seen in the video, but if the machine has a T2 chip, it will use that primarily for H.264 and HEVC.

Obviuosly, he learned a lot of his "patience" from his Dad, the Classical Guitar Builder

I connnected a 5700xt to a 2013 Mac Pro, it worked sometimes, but in FCPX it would make my whole system unstable - and get some lock ups. Any idea if that's how it is, or any possible work arounds? I was able to export a prores video, but then the 2nd try with a different format, it would lock up.

Thanks mate - really appreciate, and enjoyed the video. Quick question: if you go with the BlackMagic eGPU and a 2013 Mac Pro, will it support a Pro Display XDR? I’m in a pickle, and need a way to get the two to work together. Thank you very much!

@ConstantGeekery

2 жыл бұрын

Not sure. Blackmagic released a firmware update for the eGPU (version 1.2 30 Dec 2019) which adds support for the Pro XDR display. Whether that works over Thunderbolt 2 is another question. 🤷🏼‍♂️ Sorry I can’t give a more definitive answer.

Great video. Thank you. Question, I am running 4 Apple 27" Thunderbolt monitors on my MacPro 2013. Can you advise how I would make this work while still keeping the 4 monitors all operational?

@ConstantGeekery

3 жыл бұрын

I’m not sure you could. The Thunderbolt display can only be driven from a Thunderbolt port, and there aren’t any GPUs that will provide that. So, without changing the displays (or adding another non-Thunderbolt display), eGPU won’t really be an option.

Loving this as always! Two questions: You say that which ever display the program you are using is on, it will use that graphics card that is connected to that display to accelerate it. This made me think, can you use two egpu's? Second question, with the bandwidth of thunderbolt 2 in mind, is there a point where it is not worth getting a more powerful GPU because the bandwidth just can't make use of it?

@ConstantGeekery

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you. Yes, you can use multiple eGPUs, but unless you have them already, I don’t think the performance benefit would be worth the cost. The answer to your second question is also yes, but I don’t know where you would draw that line, and it would be different depending on the workload.

@matthewturner8615

4 жыл бұрын

@@ConstantGeekery That's great, thank you! Unfortunately I'm not in a position to do any of these, but doesn't stop me thinking about the cool ways you could use them and where to draw the line!😁 Look forward to the next video

16:45 I found this interesting. Why would you not want your displays to be on the weaker internal GPUs and have the eGPU do all the labor intensive stuff like encoding understanding it goes over TB2 and comes back to its final storage location?

@ConstantGeekery

2 жыл бұрын

If you run the app on a display connected to the eGPU, then the eGPU will be used by the app. If you run on the internal GPU, that’s the one that will be preferred. The performance hit you take over TB2 will vary depending on what you’re doing. Games get most of the GPU performance because it’s one-way traffic. Background encoding and rendering will take a much bigger hit if you are sending data both ways. You have to play around a bit to find what works for your workflow.

Great stuff as usual David, thank you. I have a Blackmagic eGPU 580 driving a 4k screen for a 16"Macbook Pro. I recently tested a Razer Core with a 5700, the biggest difference was simply fan noise. The Blackmagic is virtually inaudible, I love that the MBPro doesn't have to work its internal GPU and so stays silent under load too. I'm an audio producer so this is important to me.

@ConstantGeekery

4 жыл бұрын

That’s a useful insight Dominic, thank you. Yes, the Razer Core X is not silent. Not massively loud either, but enough to require noise reduction on recordings. Not ideal.

@filipvavra6177

2 жыл бұрын

do you think Blackmagic would work via Apple TB2 / 3 adapter?

@mooneevalleyrepaircafe

Жыл бұрын

@@filipvavra6177 Yes it will (with the right software hacks)

Since you made this video, did the Mac OS updates or the dummy hdmi hack improve performance for you with the 5700 XT ??

@ConstantGeekery

3 жыл бұрын

Dummy display adapter definitely increases performance for compute tasks (there’s a video on my channel about that), though it doesn’t make any difference to gaming. Obviously a very specific driver bug. I haven’t tested 10.15.7 yet, but the bug is still present in 10.15.6.

Great Videos!!! I’ve been reading mixed information. Will a late 2013 MacBook Pro running Big Sur handle a egpu? I’ve read multiple articles taking about Big Sur being locked down thus not being able to install that extra file thing via recovery mode. I found a razor core x w/rx580 for 800. I don’t want to drop the cash on something that might not work.

@ConstantGeekery

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you 😊 I don’t have any specific experience with that hardware combination. eGPU worked for me on Big Sur, but I don’t have this Mac Pro any more. I expect it will work but I would double check the egpu.io web forum before you part with any cash - the users there are very knowledgeable and helpful.

This is a very interesting setup. Have you tried this method with other professional software? I am curious on how well adobe illustrator or photoshop would preform.

@ConstantGeekery

4 жыл бұрын

I haven’t tested with Adobe - I don’t use their software any more because I loathe the subscription model - but I do use Affinity Photo, Affinity Designer and On1 Photo Raw. All of those perform well with and without the eGPU.

I think it’s beautiful that you live with your family.

@ConstantGeekery

11 ай бұрын

It is nice 😊

Very interesting and detailed video. Max Tech channel discovered that egpu run better if more that one video port is in use. Take.a look at the video maybe is usefull.

@ConstantGeekery

4 жыл бұрын

👍

Hi really nice and informative, how does egpu perform with 3D rendering of images ?

@ConstantGeekery

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you. I haven’t done any Blender tests, but I suspect this would be a good use case.

Nice to see your experience getting the mac pro 2013 running with egpu. I have recently gotten mine upgraded to 10 core and using the blackmagic egpu pro. I had some instability initially, and found that it was because you needed to leave SIP permanently disabled with the egpu connected. With that resolved, now working quite well. Look forward to your next videos!

@barrycraig

4 жыл бұрын

Yes, this was my experience as well.

@bharatpdas

4 жыл бұрын

The other odd discovery I had was that the egpu worked in 2 out of 3 thunderbolt buses, but not the third. I have it connected to the bottom left port (which, along with the bottom right port, is bus 0, shared with the HDMI). This made it stable. My other thunderbolt accessories work in all ports.

@cartoonasaurus

4 жыл бұрын

@@bharatpdas Fascinating. Did you try it after rebooting to make sure?

@bharatpdas

4 жыл бұрын

@@cartoonasaurus I did, because the system was in a no chime restart loop for a while until I switched the port, and I was able to replicate the loop by switching it back. Connecting the egpu to the top two ports on the right (bus 2) caused the issue. Not sure if this was unique to me. I have an HDD array connected in bus 1.

@ConstantGeekery

4 жыл бұрын

I read about the ports on the egpu.io forum, so I am using the bottom left port. I will do more testing for the next episode. It's useful to know that we all have the same issues.

cool video. im running os from usb thumb drive on my 2015 imac with failing hard drive. it runs totally fine but ive been thinking about trying to use the TB2 port somehow to get better read/write speed... unfortunatly you crushed that dream... but now im wondering if i could connect my razer core choma and use a pci m.2 card instead of GFX card 🤔

@ConstantGeekery

6 ай бұрын

I think that would probably work. The main difference between eGPUs and external PCIe enclosures is just the power supply.

I wonder if it would work better in the new MacOS ventura, or the one coming up in WWDC this June. That would be interesting to see.

Did you ever do geekbench 5 OpenCL and metal benchmarks before and after?

@ConstantGeekery

4 жыл бұрын

No, but I may include that in part 2. I have found the results of that benchmark are highly variable. I expect Apple has been tweaking the drivers ahead of the W5700 being added to the new Mac Pro.

Hello I have 2013 Mac Pro trash can 3.7 What would be the top & cpu I can put without stressing the Mac

Hello I would like to ask your advice about getting the best picture on a 4K monitor for my Mac Pro 2013. I am not sure if I should buy a HDMI or a Thunderbolt 2 (if I can find one) or a Thunderbolt 3 capable monitor. I do Blender animations I would like to know witch one is faster in my case HDMI or Thunderbolt 2 (using an adaptor from Thunderbolt 2 to Thunderbolt 3) if you have names brands that you had tested or have info about this matter it will be greatly appreciated Thanks

@ConstantGeekery

2 жыл бұрын

I personally prefer Dell UltraSharp monitors. They have DisplayPort input, so you use a Mini DisplayPort -> DisplayPort cable. (Mini DisplayPort has the same connector as Thunderbolt 2, and the Mac Pro supports DisplayPort on any of its Thunderbolt ports). The HDMI port on the Mac Pro is limited to 30Hz at 4K, so I wouldn’t bother with that. The DisplayPort outputs won’t go faster than 60Hz, so a 4K 60Hz monitor with DisplayPort is what you need.

I have followed this guide with exactly the same setup minus the OS as I'm using Big Sur, one of the things that wasn't covered in this guide was the ability to boot the machine with eGPU as primary display, as mine fails to do this.

@ConstantGeekery

3 жыл бұрын

You need to plug the Thunderbolt cable into the bottom left Thunderbolt port on your Mac Pro. I'd boot into macOS without the eGPU connect, then plug it in to that port. Once it's recognised, shut down, remove other display cables, and switch on. That always worked for me.

Hello, great video! How do you think this setup would work with Blender?

@ConstantGeekery

3 жыл бұрын

I should think so, though I can’t comment on what sort of gains (if any) you’d get with GPU rendering.

Hi. Greetings from Argentina. Thank you for the video. I have a mid 2011 and a mid 2017 base model iMacs. Is it possible to upgrade any of these with egpu??? Thank you.

@ConstantGeekery

3 жыл бұрын

Technically, it’s possible to do it with the mid-2011, but it’s Thunderbolt 1, so I wouldn’t recommend it. The 2017 model has Thunderbolt 3, so no problems there. However, best results will come from attaching an external monitor to the eGPU and running the apps you want to accelerate on that external display. Accelerating the internal display of the iMac is possible, but you will lose more of the performance of the eGPU that way. If, when you say “base model”, you mean the 21.5” iMac with the HD display and onboard Iris graphics, then I expect you’ll see a decent performance bump whatever you do.

@javierr3515

3 жыл бұрын

Constant Geekery thank you so much for the answer!!!! Yes I have base models without retina and yes I just want to upgrade a little bit the internal display. Thanks again

Food for thought. I'm trying to wring every last morsel of use out of my trash can Mac Pro before I jump to an iMac or new Cheese Grater. eGpu has been loitering on the periphery of my attention. I've already done the upgrade to 12 core. Which in hindsight, I wish that I'd read up on. Apparently it is a better idea to get the 8 or 10 core CPU . The 12 core give you great multithreaded processing, but you lose a lot in single threaded. I was counting on bigger cache to make up the diff, it doesn't. Likewise, getting the fastest NVMe SSD only goes so far on PCIe 2.0 X4. A newer Mac with PCIe 3 would have twice the potential throughput. Did I miss it or was there a comparison of the D700 or D300 benchmarks?

Hi Constant Geekery, just wanted to know if it was possible to get this configuration to work in Bootcamp off the Pro 6,1 or are only drivers support for USB C to TB2 in OSX? Thanks for this guide as well.

@ConstantGeekery

Жыл бұрын

It can be done, but only with some effort. It’s not drivers that are the problem, it’s Windows using a 32-bit PCIe addressing space - it can’t allocate enough resources. There are more details on the egpu.io forums. Some users have got it working by disabling PCI bridges in Device Manager. Others have used DSDT Overrides. It seems neither method is guaranteed to work though.

that means blackmagic on tb2 mac also requires purge-script?

HI. The eGpu card now works great on my 2013 Mac Pro with Monterey. The problem now is with Windows 10 not recognizing the eGpu card. Could you tell me the procedure to use that allows you to make the eGpu card work also in a Windows environment on a Mac Pro 2013? Thank you

A couple questions I'd like you to demonstrate: 1) What would have these benchmarks been if you ran them using the internal GPU in the Mac Pro? 2) Why can't the Mac Pro use both internal GPUs (and is there any applications that can)? 3) What is the benchmark using the integrated GPU in the MacBook Pro? 4) AND ESPECIALLY, What is the benchmark using the MacBook Pro with eGPU using the built-in monitor (instead of external monitor--no one ever shows this, but for portability, and cost, this is important--please compare using built-in monitor with and without eGPU as well)? Also, can you show all the benchmarks next to each other (with the ones you also just did in this video) on the screen?

@ConstantGeekery

4 жыл бұрын

I’m planning a brief follow up with some more benchmarks, so stay tuned for that as it will answer these points - the focus of this particular video was more about setting up eGPU on older Thunderbolt 2 machines, and the performance difference to TB3. I have answered question 2 in other videos, but I can explain briefly here: whilst the two cards in the 2013 Mac Pro are connected with CrossFireX, the driver implementation in macOS requires apps to be developed to specifically make use of the compute card. Final Cut Pro X is one app that will use both cards (and the paid version of Davinci Resolve is multi-GPU aware), but there aren’t that many. The lack of app support for the dual graphics setup is one of the reasons the 2013 Mac Pro wasn’t popular - the majority of the time, the system runs on the display GPU whilst the compute GPU sits idle.

Hi there, I have a iMac Retina 5K, 27-inch, Late 2015, I bought the Razer Core X and Radeon Pro WX7100. I can see the eGPU in my thunderbolt bus as connected, but no video output. Do I need to do the "Purge Wrangler"? Would you be able to direct me to a solution to make it work or should I just return it? Thanks, it was very instructif.

@ConstantGeekery

3 жыл бұрын

Apple only officially supports eGPU on Thunderbolt 3 equipped Macs. You’ll need to install purge-wrangler - it’s very easy and will work fine with your Mac.

I want to do this with a macbook air early 2015. And not for the purpose of gaming, but to speed up my work flow. I use a lot of tabs in chrome across two screens. Would you advise for this?

@ConstantGeekery

Жыл бұрын

Seems like a lot of investment for that application. The performance improvement will only apply to a screen plugged into eGPU, and only to tabs where 3D acceleration is required. For the price of the eGPU enclosure, cables and graphics card, you could probably get an M1 MacBook Air.

is their a version of Purge-Wrangler script. for mac mini 2014 when running windows on bootcamp?

@ConstantGeekery

3 жыл бұрын

I don't think you need it for Bootcamp. The 2013 Mac Pro doesn't work with eGPU in Bootcamp without significant tinkering, so I haven't actually tried it yet. I would expect the Mac Mini should be able to see the eGPU if the correct Bootcamp drivers have been installed. It's worth having a look on the egpu.io forum.

When ever I have wanted to game on a Mac I have streamed it from my gaming PC using the feature on Steam. I once tried playing a game remotely, leaving my PC on and trying to stream at another location... it worked but wasn’t great. Be interesting to see what it’s like now with fibre broadband 🤔

@ConstantGeekery

4 жыл бұрын

I have games on a Mac and it was fine. True, you get better performance for the same hardware running Windows, but as long as the frame rate is high, does it matter? Have you tried Google Stadia yet? I’d be interested to see how that performs.

@Graphics_PAD

4 жыл бұрын

No I haven’t tried Google Stadia. From what I’ve heard it’s not good.

support for windows? i have rog g750jw with thunderbolt 2

What eGPU/AMD Graphics card will work with my 2016 15 inch MacBook Pro? processor: 2.9 GHz Quad-Core Intel Core i7 Memory: 16GB 2133 MHz LPDDR3 Graphics: Radeon Pro 460 4GB Intel HD Graphics 530 1536MB Is not for gaming it’s to edit 1080p and maybe some 4k videos on FCPX. Do I need an external monitor with the eGPU? Which you recommend with my specs?

@ConstantGeekery

3 жыл бұрын

My standard recommendation for an eGPU enclosure is the Razer Core X (or Core X Chroma). The lowest card I’d suggest is the RX580, but if you can, go for a 5700XT or Vega 64. Failing that, the RX5600. I’ve put links in the description. For optimum performance, you will want to connect an external monitor and run FCPX on that external display. You could use your TV if you don’t want to go to the expense of buying a monitor. Remember, you need to be running Catalina for any of the 5000 series cards, like the 5700XT... and there is a bug in the driver that limits performance with eGPU unless you plug in a second external display. You can use a cheap headless display to get around this (see: kzread.info/dash/bejne/hJmA2LCeY7axftI.html).

I’ve had the same stability issues using a BlackMagic eGPU Pro. Also found that the keyboard was unreliable when using the eGPU USB ports. Everything works fine on a MacBook. You have me wondering if I should downgrade the OS. Catalina is not great for stability

@ConstantGeekery

4 жыл бұрын

I’m considering reverting to Mojave too. Mine has been stable since doing a complete wipe and re-install... until I set up the eGPU... but I’m always wondering if and when it will crash.

also the more devices plugged into the egpu will drop it as well because they share bandwith

Is that an early 2013 macbook pro? Mine doesn’t have a thunderbolt 3, it has 2x thunderbolt 2.

Hi! I've got a trashcan with with the two FirePro Radeons D700. I'm considering getting an external gpu for my beloved Mac to upgrade it. Do you think it's a good investment in 2022 getting a egpu case (Razer maybe) and a RX6600/6800?. I'm not sure of the benefits cause of the thunderbolt bottleneck... . Thanks in advance!

@ConstantGeekery

2 жыл бұрын

It's difficult to recommend this sort of investment in 2022 given the high prices of GPUs, and the price of Apple Silicon alternatives. There are benefits, but you need to have a workflow and setup that will take advantage of them. Whether the benefits are worth the high cost of entry is another question. I have made use of my eGPU setup on a variety of machines (Mac & PC), which makes the cost a bit more bearable.

This is something to thing about for my Macbook Pro 2015, but I am currently running Mac Pro 5,1 2010 and this uses a PCIe 2.0 which stands at speeds of 16Gbps, thunderbolt 2 max throughput of 20 Gbps which should mean that using the Razor Core should be slightly faster over thunderbolt vs the Mac Pro's PCIe 2.0. I am a die hard Mac Pro 5,1 fan and I still use my 2010 Mac pro today and still using it daily and I have recently installed 5700XT which was as easy as install Catalina and plug in the card, a little OpenCore foolery for GPU acceleration on some applications but that was it. I did the same Valley Bench on my Mac Pro 5,1 and the Specs are: Dual Intel Xeon X5680 12 core 24 threads 3.33Ghz 40GB DDR3 1333Mhz XFX AMD Radeon RX 5700 XT 8GB references cooler PCIe NVME 500GB WD Mac OS Catalina Valley Bench: Score 2366, Average 59.4FPS, highest score 84.1 FPS, Lowest 23.4FPS.

Hi I have mac pro 2013 12 core 64ram d500 running mac os Monterey, will the eGPU work with it perfectly ???

@ConstantGeekery

2 жыл бұрын

I don’t know about “perfectly” but it should work with a supported GPU and the Kryptonite patch (formerly Purge-Wrangler). Use the bottom left Thunderbolt port on the Mac for best results.

Can I just install a graphics card in my Sonnet Echo Express III-D Thunderbolt 2 version and get HDR output from my macbook pro or mac pro 2013 for video editing?

@ConstantGeekery

7 ай бұрын

Probably not - the product page say that only "non-GPU" cards are supported. I'm guessing that will be to do with insufficient power/connectors.

What dell monitor do you have? Can you get 4K@60Hz from Mac Pro 2013? What cable are you using?

@ConstantGeekery

3 жыл бұрын

I think it’s the U3219Q. No problem with 4k60 with the 2013 Mac Pro if you use DisplayPort. The HDMI port on the Mac Pro only supports 30Hz. I just use a standard Mini DisplayPort to DisplayPort cable.

Is that possible to connect two Thunderbolt 2 ports to GPU to ensure the same bandwidth as Thunderbolt 3?

@ConstantGeekery

3 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately not. However, TB2 is not as far behind TB3 performance as you might expect.

I saw you tutorial on the egpu setup .. I have followed your steps but every time I don''t get the symbol showing the gpu but I do see the item in the system report. could you help

@ConstantGeekery

3 ай бұрын

I haven't touched eGPU setups with this Mac Pro for a few years now, so I'm not able to offer much help. purge-wrangler has been superseded by something called Kryptonite (github.com/mayankk2308/kryptonite). You'll need to be using that. I will try to do an updated guide soon. Also, I always found that mine worked reliably if I used the bottom left Thunderbolt port. Also, the forums at egpu.io can be very helpful. I hope you get it sorted. 👍🏻

Why did you go with this not a vega 64? Did it work ok with high Sierra? Or Mohave? I don’t want to go to Catalina yet due to running apps I I need.

@ConstantGeekery

3 жыл бұрын

I couldn’t find a reasonably priced Vega64 at the time. I didn’t do my research properly either as I didn’t realise you need Catalina for the 5000 series cards - there are no drivers in prior versions.

Serious question CG, will all of this set up, run smooth on my bootcamp partition? Im currentlt running Windows 10 using bootcamp on my macpro 2013...

@ConstantGeekery

3 жыл бұрын

No. Some have got the eGPU working in Bootcamp, but it's not a simple procedure. Check out egpu.io forums before you jump in.

Bro, there’s something about your voice that’s so addicting to listen to. I could have sworn this video was 10 minutes.

@ConstantGeekery

3 жыл бұрын

😁

@lemonke3774

3 жыл бұрын

@@ConstantGeekery Hey, there! I have a question and figured you were the best person to ask. What purpose do the USB ports on the enclosure serve? Thanks in advance!

Thank you very much for your videos. , I was able to assemble and operate an eGPU Razer Core X with Sapphire radeon RX 570 for my Mac pro late 2013. However, I have one problem and can not find a solution. When I switch on the Mac, I always need to switch the the Razor Core X manuals after a while on, otherwise the mac hangs and does not boot if the Razer Core X start with the Mac at the same time. Is there a reason for this or does someone have a tip or even a solution for the problem? That would be absolutely great.Thanks for any suggestions...

@ConstantGeekery

3 жыл бұрын

It can be a bit fussy about which port you plug into on the Mac Pro. Try the bottom left port.

@Crofeye

3 жыл бұрын

@@ConstantGeekery YES ! you 're the man ! thanx a lot !

Hi, I have a 2013 macpro that the graphics just went out on me recently. From what i have read online and this video, i can not buy an egpu and plug it in and expect it to work right? Cause i would still need to install the patch?!? Would you recommend getting a super cheap thunderbolt 2 display adapter and use that to see the screen then install the patch in order to use a egpu? Not sure if that makes any sense and I couldn’t find any support on any site regarding “dead” gpu of 2013 mac pro as of May 2020. Thank you in advance.

@ConstantGeekery

4 жыл бұрын

If the GPU is dead, the Mac won’t boot, so adapters won’t help unfortunately. If you know someone else with a 2013 Mac Pro, you could swap your SSD into theirs and install the patch. However, I’m not confident the Mac would boot because it would still fail the self test at power on (assuming your GPU is completely dead that is). Even with fully working GPUs, the Mac Pro doesn’t always boot up with the eGPU connected, so it would be an unreliable and expensive solution at best. Sorry 😐

@NathanHoang

4 жыл бұрын

@@ConstantGeekery thank you so much for the info. I even consider getting refurbished D300 cards instead of the originals (D700) to lower the cost just to get it working again. So then i can get a much more powerful egpu for it, but again... that is an expensive solution :)

Thanks for the great videos. I messaged you somewhere else, but can't find it so am messaging you here. I have the 2012 i7 Mac mini 16gig ram, 256 SSD and just attached the Sonnet eGPU with Radeon RX570. I was wanting to use it with FCPX 10.4.8. I've seen that FCP has moved the "prefer eGPU" into the preferences section from the "get info" section in finder. I've discovered that it really only utilized the eGPU if exporting to master file H264. If using any other settings apple device 720 etc. it uses the combined eGPU and iGPU/CPU. I'm interested to know if you or anyone else has found using a lesser version of FCPX utilized the eGPU fully in all other settings other than master file or a work around with 10.4.8?

@ConstantGeekery

4 жыл бұрын

I’m still doing testing on this, but from what I can see so far, it depends on the codec being used. It seems to me that FCPX will favour the device that is most efficient to handle a codec, regardless of whether that will actually be the quickest. It may be that the iGPU is more efficient on a performance to compute power basis, but that the eGPU would still be faster because it has so much more raw power - that’s my theory anyway. In which case it ought to be an easy fix. There is no doubt that after 10.4.6 eGPU performance is not as good. I’ve not been able to find a definitive answer yet, but I’ll keep testing and post a video with my results when I’m done. Thanks for watching and sharing.

just got the 5700xt funny thing is.. after effects uses the egpu in my case when i put it on my laptop display.. when i put the window on my direct connect to my egpu it uses less processing.. i will show you in a post shit is weird..

Hi does this work with the laptop MacBook Pro 2013 and can you turn back on system integrity protection?

@ConstantGeekery

2 жыл бұрын

Yes and yes. You’ll need to plug in an external display to get the benefit of the eGPU.

I do kind of download stuff from sort of weird places but only like 6 websites but I have deleted the apps do you think it would be unsafe to disable the system security thing.

@ConstantGeekery

2 жыл бұрын

With SIP disabled it becomes technically possible for third party apps to access and change system files. macOS should still ask for a password, so you would have to install and authorise the app containing the malware. The problem is that those creating malware are good at hiding it. So, there are risks, and if you decide to switch it off, you should be cautious about what you install from third party websites. Apps from Apple's own app store should in theory be fine. I always stuck to apps I knew, and did my research for those I didn't. You have to balance the risk for your use case.

Could you use the Sapphire NITRO+ Radeon RX 6700 XT 12GB 11306-01-20G in the razor x

@ConstantGeekery

2 жыл бұрын

If you are on Mac then there are no drivers for 6700 (Navi 22). If you’re on PC, then check the dimensions against the specs on Razer’s website. If it physically fits it should work.

@MarcusMonkey

2 жыл бұрын

@@ConstantGeekery what about a rx6900 tx?

@ConstantGeekery

2 жыл бұрын

@@MarcusMonkey there are drivers in Big Sur and Monterey I believe.

Hi i got some really slow playback speed in Davinci resolve with the 5700xt egpu is there anything i did wrong about it ??? Thanks ahead :)

@ConstantGeekery

2 жыл бұрын

Is it the paid Studio version of Resolve? What sort of footage are you playing? What type of monitor do you have and how is it connected?

Nice video! A few questions: I have an iMac 27 inch Late 2013 Core i5 with NVIDIA GeForce GT 755M 1 GB. How do I know which eGPUs are compatible with my iMac? Which ones do you recommend? I need it for 360 and 4k video editing. Also for Adobe Suite. Thanks and greeting from Chile!

@ConstantGeekery

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you 😊 - Whilst it is possible, the Late 2013 iMac is Thunderbolt 1. I wouldn’t personally recommend an eGPU for this machine because the benefit doesn’t justify the cost, but let me give you all the details so that you can understand why I say that. You can set up an eGPU with your iMac, but you will lose a large percentage of the graphics card performance - especially if you are trying to accelerate the internal display of the iMac, since the data has to travel in both directions. (TB1 is 10Gbit - half of TB2, and a quarter of TB3) If you connect an external display to the eGPU then it will work, but I’d expect you’ll only be able to access 40-50% of the GPU performance on average (though it depends what you are doing - gaming will probably be fine). When it comes to video editing, performance is very dependant on codec. If you are using H.264 (which a lot of consumer cameras output), then the GPU won’t make much difference. The CPU in your iMac has Intel Quick Sync, and this will likely be used for H.264 decoding/encoding rather than the GPU. Any eGPU enclosure would be compatible. I personally like Razer’s Core X. If you went with a low-end AMD card, you’re still looking at $500-600 once you’ve bought cables and adapters. More like $800 if you go with a 5700 XT. Add in the cost of the external display, and you’re up to $1k. You could probably get a newer generation 5K iMac on the used market for that, which would offer a much better overall performance boost. There are people who have done it with the late 2013 iMac, and you can find information on the egpu.io forum. As always, do your research before spending your hard earned $$$. Hope that helps, and greetings from England!

@agustintorrealba

3 жыл бұрын

@@ConstantGeekery Thanks a lot for your answer!

@ConstantGeekery

3 жыл бұрын

@@agustintorrealba no problem 😉

Interesting. Using Kryptonite instead of text wrangler (as that has been retired), I can not benchmark with Unigine Heaven or Valley. What happens is a black benchmark window where I can hear the audio, but can not run the benchmark. Using a 6,1 with Monterey 12.6.3 with

Hey there! I got a question. I have a late 2013 iMac and I want to buy an NVIDIA RTX 4060 graphics card installed in an eGPU box like RAZER box for example. Is everything fine if I do it? Should I consider anything maybe compatibility because I know my iMac has the old thunderbolt ports. Please help me out.

@ConstantGeekery

9 ай бұрын

You shouldn’t do it. macOS has no drivers for nVidia cards.

Hi. Thank you for a great movie. I am looking for help and maybe I could find out more? I have the same Mac pro 6.1 in the highest possible configuration. Actually 2 the same machines. However, on the second one I installed Windows 10 version 21 h2 as a standalone system, without the adjacent Mac os. Of course, I used apple's bootcamp drivers. I work with music production and graphics are a little less important to me. However, I bought a 4k monitor and I need a better resolution, and this is especially true when using the Make Music Finale note editor. Will the configuration you presented work with bootcamp? I know that Windows (bootcamp in this case) is compatible with a whole range of different cards, both invidii and amd, so maybe I could pick a different, slightly cheaper card over the one in your video and install it with the Razer Core X? I would use a Thunderbolt cable to connect to egpu, similar to your configuration. My Mac Pro to Windows is currently connected via a Thunderbolt2 cable to an older appla HD monitor and has no problem using this connection on Windows bootcamp. I am also sure that when I install egpu I will not use the connection of internal graphics cards to the monitor. Sorry for many questions, but you are the only one who touches on this topic so professionally and thoroughly. Perhaps the other people involved in this discussion below your video can advise me on something? Best regards, Kris Ulita

@ConstantGeekery

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Kris - you'll probably find it difficult to get the eGPU working in Windows with Bootcamp. This is because Windows uses a 32-bit addressing space for PCI, which is not sufficient to allocate enough resources for a Mac Pro and an eGPU. You'll get something called Error 12. I believe it is possible to get around this with a DSDT override, but I never got it working reliably. The Mac Pro will happily drive a 4K display at 60Hz via the Thunderbolt/Mini DisplayPort ports. If your monitor doesn't have DisplayPort, an adapter like this one should do the job: amzn.to/3BpErjS - which is a whole lot cheaper than eGPU!

@palpatinee6112

2 жыл бұрын

@@ConstantGeekery Thanks for the very quick reply. You are an absolute master "!!! So I understand that this display port just connects to the socket on my Mac pro to which I am plugging the Thunderbolt 2? This solution is actually cheap and practical. Thank you very much and best regards from Norway.

@ConstantGeekery

2 жыл бұрын

@@palpatinee6112 😁 Yes. Mini DisplayPort uses the same connector as Thunderbolt 2. All of the Thunderbolt ports on your Mac Pro can output DisplayPort. You use the adapter to convert that to HDMI 2.0, which gives you 4K at 60Hz. The HDMI port on the Mac Pro is limited to 30Hz at 4K.

@palpatinee6112

2 жыл бұрын

@@ConstantGeekery Thank you very much and best regards. Kris