I will say, Sir Ian McKellan brings a sort of grounded friendliness to the role of Gandalf that feels very in-character for him. Don't get me wrong, Sir Christopher Lee was an amazing actor too, but I feel like he is much more grand and elevated. They're both perfect for the roles they got

@progambol

3 ай бұрын

I think some characters might say you're Perry much mis-Took-en...

@pedroc.d.7872

Ай бұрын

Their roles should've been reversed, for exactly the reasons you stated. Saruman being evil should be a huge surprise looks-wise, as should be Gandalf being kind and warm.

"Smoking pipeweed in the Shire is the only thing that brings me joy in life" -- Gondulf the firework smuggler

The "It's a pity Bilbo didn't kill him./Pity? It was pity that stayed his hand." exchange is one of my favourite dialogues in LotR. It has such a great flow to it.

@JRO_studios199

3 ай бұрын

I like to think that if bilbo straight up killed Gollum he would’ve become Gollum himself. And that was because of Gandalf’s wise words about courage.

@MannyNamiro

3 ай бұрын

@@JRO_studios199 Yes, I've heard that theory before and I quite like it too.

@MediumRareOpinions

3 ай бұрын

​@@JRO_studios199the idea that Bilbos act of Mercy shielded him from the worst aspects of the Rings Influence? I like that. It seems on "theme" for LotR

When Gandalf took command of the defense of Minas Tirith, that is one of his best parts of the entire trilogy. Not only because he has such an effective and commanding presence, not only because he's powerful in close combat as well, but because all of the soldiers follow him without hesitation. The moment they see he's taking the lead and holding the line from the front, they go back and take their positions without question, because they now know there's a chance. Gandalf isn't just a symbol of light and hope, he's proof of it at any given moment, no matter how dark things get, no matter the odds against them.

6:27 Drinker: "This is a fantastic Marvel movie." Everyone else: "So you have chosen death."

Ian mckellan as Gandalf was genius casting just like when Ian mckellan was cast as magneto !

@camillecunningham7348

2 ай бұрын

Fuck yeah, I loved him as Magneto.

Gandalf grew up surrounded by Peak Fire.

@attigator

3 ай бұрын

Gandalf grew up surrounded by Hobbits

Drinker has a point about Gandalf fighting the Balrog. I would have moved the whole fight segment as one big flash back to when he reveals himself to Aragorn, Legolas and gimili.

5:38 I actually agree with Drinker here and will say we could have easily had the best of both worlds just by having this scene in the place where Gandalf recounts it to Aragorn and Crew. Even it means you picture Gandalf going "and then I was a like boooosh and the Balrog went all craahhhh and then my sword got all struck by lightning and ah man you should have been there." It is something you might see in a Marvel movie, but I think it's more than acceptable in a fantasy setting as well.

@Lysvsyl

3 ай бұрын

The issue is that drinker has a valid narrative criticism but the rest of the crew dismiss it because it's "cool". Like, if someone they reacted to said something like that, they would imply that person had brain damage.

@TheSatisfiedPig

3 ай бұрын

@@Lysvsyl yeah, probably. I don't listen to EFAP as much anymore, they've gotten a little undeservedly smug lately. I pretty much only tune in when they're shitting on Star Wars.

@FairyFarron

3 ай бұрын

​@@LysvsylPerhaps Drinker has the opinion because he knew going into the movie that gandalf was alive because he read the books, while just about everybody else experienced it first through the movie. I know when I first saw it that I thought gandalf was dead and it was just showing us his final moments.

@Lysvsyl

3 ай бұрын

@@FairyFarron My issue isn't that the rest disagrees with drinker but rather that their arguments seem to be "But it's so cool". I appreciate your input as it's more valueable and insightful than anything they said. Personally, I guess it depends on how you watch movies. While I can immerse myself, it's difficult to entirely ignore the man behind the curatin. And I feel like no good film maker would show a sequence like that, if it was entirely unrelated to the rest of the movie. Espiecally an action sequence that wouldn't hold any narrative value otherwise. But if you have a different perception of film makers or storytelling or are able to immerse yourself more easily, I can understand coming away with a differen takeaway.

@RhysCallinan-hf7qx

Ай бұрын

Yeah I think it should've been shown when Gandalf explained his story, not at the start. It's cool, but it needs to be at the explanation part.

That description of Gandalf by Critical Drinker at the end was perfect.

I love these movies. Watched them so many times and each time feels like you're watching it for the first time. Pure joy.

Casting was so perfect throughout the trilogy

Ian Mckellen is the GOAT - the Gandalf Of All Tolkien.

Grandalf is my favourite character.

It’s been so long since we’ve had a Gandalf style character. Wisdom is no longer valued as it should be.

@151monka

3 ай бұрын

Anime wins again... (It is sad how bad English media has become)

I remember sitting down with my dad (who grew up reading the trilogy) and watching this when I was 10 years old, and it blew my fucking mind. I went on to read the books soon after. The world, the characters, the story. I hadn't experienced anything so epic, and few stories/films/games have sucked me in like these films and books did since then. I wish I could go back and re-experience that.

200/10. It only gets better the more you watch McKellen as Gandalf.

Time to go rewatch the full video again once more

_Even the wisest cannot see all ends_ says the wise wizard shortly before Pippin starts a cascade of events that would be instrumental in the final victory.

I'm guessing Sean Connery's Gandalf would've been remarkably similar to his cameo as King Richard at the end of Robin Hood: PoT.

Never heard of him before. Even though he was in the X-men movie the year before cheeky

Perfect casting

sir ian mckellen deserve award for this. this is the same with sean astin.

There will never be another Gandalf as this one... Ian McKellen should become a wizard in real life, I'm sure that he'd be great, always arriving precisely when he means to.

It would have been as good as a Scotsman playing a Spanish immortal.

And all will turn to silver glass. A light on the water, gray ships pass into the west...

Ian McKellan is as much Gandalf as David Suchet is Hercules Poirot. I cannot see any other in the role ever again

I stand with Drinker. Should have put the balrog fight later on in the film.

Having recently watched the Name of the Rose, a part of me really wishes I could peek into the universe where Sean Connery accepted the role of Gandalf. I love Ian McKellen, obviously, but I can't help but be curious. Hard disagree with Drinker that Connery would have been terrible compared to McKellen. Very, very different from McKellen, but not terrible.

@hariman7727

3 ай бұрын

The problem with Sean Connery is it's VERY hard for him to escape the habit of playing "Sean Connery As X role", and I think he understood that.

The choice to make Christopher Lee Sauroman instead of Gandalf was a perfect choice.

14:50 Gandalf is a Marry Sue

Gabba be alfin sometimes

The Chad Stoner Gandalf the Grey vs the Virgin Sober Gandalf the White

Not making premiers for these is a mistake, longman!!!

Again the dark lord mauler and the king of men drinker battle for..... Something. Films great though

I do mostly agree with Drinker on the whole Balrog fight. It didn’t flow right, the fight itself is just silly, and it spoiled Gandalf’s survival. Like, the whole “we fought from the deepest depths to the tops of mountains” bit… I still don’t know what I’m supposed to take away from that. Did they literally fall to the bottom of the mountain and fight their whole way back up to the top, or was there some sort of magic other realm, or what? And the scene should not have happened first thing. I get that they tried to pass it off as a dream, but this is a movie. In this format, you don’t have much time to tell your story. So you only show the audience what’s important to get across for the film to work. So, Gandalf’s death being shown in such a way, even as a dream, means “hey. Remember this for later. This is important.”

Is this really old or did Wolf return?

@ScooterDoge

3 ай бұрын

He is back, but not part of the weekly EFAP. This is from EFAP movies number 58, 59, and 60 which are new last month.

@MannyNamiro

3 ай бұрын

Wolf runs the EFAP Highlights channel.

@MediumRareOpinions

3 ай бұрын

He comes back to us now, at the turn of the tide.

@hariman7727

3 ай бұрын

This is older, and Wolf is back in occasional Q&A livestreams, as as the controller of EFAP Highlights.

Drinker doesnt know metal music. 2 of my favorite metal bands have an album dedicated entirely to LOTR. Fantasy themes are very common, and its actually a subgenre of metal.

@Zenocrate

2 ай бұрын

Not to mention that Christopher Lee is a metal legend.

What the hell are they arguing about when Gandalf fell from the bridge of Khaza Dum? The scene where he takes his sword and stabs the Balrog was in the second movie not in the first. There was no way of knowing if he died or not if you only watched the first movie.

@charliemasters8086

3 ай бұрын

It’s taken from their commentary of the second film. Drinker is saying he didn’t like the Two Towers opening as it ruins his reveal later on.

@defeqel6537

3 ай бұрын

the argument is about showing it right at the start ruining the surprise later

@Nickle_King

3 ай бұрын

From a narrative standpoint, you are right. The problem comes when you take into consideration that it’s a movie, and you have to be VERY picky with what you show the audience. Let me put it to you this way. When I first watched this show and that intro happened, I turned to my friend in shock and said “He survived that!?” He, who had read the books and seen the movie before, said “What makes you think Gandalf survived?” My response. “Because they would not have wasted this much time of the intro of this film just to show us something that happened to one character near the end of the previous film without that meaning something. And since he died, that can only mean one thing.” If young me could figure it out with that level of certainty, they could have done it better.

@IveGottenSoLucky

3 ай бұрын

@@Nickle_King Well, he didn't survive. Very twisty twist

@Nickle_King

3 ай бұрын

@@IveGottenSoLucky True, but my point still stands.

Gandalf the white, the pure, the... uncut. Resembling when mr Tolkien got better cocaine from a better dealer

Sean Connery turned down this role for LXG..

@hariman7727

3 ай бұрын

I think it's more than Connery understood that he'd overshadow the role he was playing, and that someone else would fit the part better.

Tolkien insuates that Eru Illuvatar had 'chosen' Bilbo, Frodo and the Hobbits..their destiny was pre-ordained..

@TheSatisfiedPig

3 ай бұрын

But where are their small hats?

@mr_jyggalag

3 ай бұрын

Well, it isn't that simple. 'Free will', 'choice', and 'destiny' are complicated things in LotR. "Just chance brought me then, if chance you call it." It is a "chance" (Eru Illuvatar's 'choice') that Gandalf and Thorin would meet in Bree. But it was their choice, an act of free will, that decided whether they would follow their 'destiny' that would lead to the events of the Hobbit or not. The matter only complicates if we go any further (relationship between destiny and curses, oaths, prophecies, etc.), but do not forget that "Men... were given freedom to act outside the boundaries set by the Music of the Ainur."

1:35 Holy crap, that green screen is awful.

Drinker is correct about the Balrog fight and the others not recognizing it is exemplary of EFAP's flaws.

This might be a hot take, but I think Gandalf uses too little magic throughout the trilogy. He’s an angelic wizard! At least use the force push spell again! ❤️

@the_absurd_hero

3 ай бұрын

Doing so would undermine one of the themes of LotR: The true nature of power lies in how it is wielded. Consider for a moment the most powerful characters in LotR. How many of them overtly or spectacularly use magic (or magical objects), and for what purpose? It's EXTREMELY significant that Gandalf, one of the most powerful and magical beings in Middle Earth, uses his powers to support and aid others, rather than exert his own will. That's kinda the point: Those who are truly powerful don't need to make a show of it (and they're extra-good if they use their powers to help others, not just themselves)

@zztopz7090

3 ай бұрын

​@the_absurd_hero Even as hes fighting amidst a battle for the survival of mankind?

@hariman7727

3 ай бұрын

Look up the nature of Gandalf's Ring. He used more magic than you might think, but in a way that's not obvious.

@KorriTimigan

3 ай бұрын

​@@zztopz7090 Especially then. The Valar- those who govern the earth- had stepped in previously with their full power to battle evil and it always resulted in the devastation of the land. Several times whole continents were completely destroyed because they were just too powerful. The point of the wizards was to provide encouragement and to test humans, to prove that without the Powers they would be okay on their own.

Old Efap fans pefer Ian McKlellan

I hated the way Frodo sounds when he says “Sam” I hated it every time, I’m agitated just thinking about it. The absolute most overrated film of all time by people who hate everything else.

@TheSatisfiedPig

3 ай бұрын

I'm personally not a fan of the Frodo/Sam relationship in the movies but the Lord of the Rings trilogy is appropriately rated.

@MagpieDynamics

3 ай бұрын

"People who hate everything else." Lol. Lmao, even.

@jeremybrimmer1990

3 ай бұрын

There you go then