“What is discussion without judgment?” -Fringy

@Kernwadi

Жыл бұрын

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So therapeatic to hear this opinion finaly voiced, the rest of the internet has been in a circle jerk about bojack for years

@Kernwadi

4 ай бұрын

I've noticed that too, this show has been overhyped since the beginning.

@samhempsall1903

4 ай бұрын

Finally an opinion on this show that isn’t just “Season 1 kinda bad, rest of the show near perfect.” There are several points the show raises that gets kind of botched when you think about them.

@videogamehunter820

12 күн бұрын

@@KernwadiSounds like Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss. Beyond the great art design, it’s terrible.

Fringy (and Mauler) thoroughly voiced many of the incipient concerns I had when watching the show for the first time. The humanoid animal thing came off immediately as a poorly thought-out gimmick, and I am unsurprised to hear the writers did not even understand the implications of what they were working with, ie humanoid animal cannibalism being thought a joke instead of realized as a universe-breaking misstep. Humor undermining drama is the most salient point of all. It takes far more skill than the writers had to achieve what they thought they were going for, a show that manages to be serious and sensitive while somehow glib and mocking at the same time. 🤷

@Kernwadi

Жыл бұрын

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I have seen you in almost all comment sections that I’ve been in. You are an inspiration

@Kernwadi

Жыл бұрын

Most people hate me for it, but I'm glad that at least some see me in positive light.

I'm just surprised it took Fringly 2 tries to finally realize how nothing Bojack is.

@Kernwadi

Жыл бұрын

He's always too optimistic about things.

@bentwineham1986

10 ай бұрын

@@Kernwadithat’s one of his most endearing qualities.

@TheSatisfiedPig

7 ай бұрын

I think it's kinda likely he was influenced by watching it with Mauler. Same thing happened to Wolf with Avatar, apparently.

@moe5020

5 ай бұрын

@@TheSatisfiedPig Honestly the only ATLA criticisms Mauler had that I found valid were the ones that the fanbase already have issues with like the lion turtles and the avatar state dues ex machina stuff. Mostly it just felt like he binged the show with the intent to trash it to vindicate rags running his mouth and making a fool of himself and brought on a dude who hadn't seen the show in ages to give the weakest pushback ever.

@TheSatisfiedPig

5 ай бұрын

@@moe5020 there's plenty to be critical about Avatar with, but having watched it, I don't think there's anything that really ruined it for me. But as I always say, Mauler's way too into Buffy for me to take his criticism too seriously. That show is cringe as hell.

53:45 _“This could’ve been a great episode”_ pretty much sums up the entire show… When a TV Series ends and you’re left with the feeling that the main character was treated unfairly and he would’ve been better off dead, then the show has SERIOUS writing issues…

@Kernwadi

5 ай бұрын

I never managed to finish this show, it just wasn't enjoyable most of the time.

Horse... do drugs... funny. URGH!

@Kernwadi

Жыл бұрын

YES!

Fribgy should to make a scripted video about this.

@Kernwadi

Жыл бұрын

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Own a sword for manor defence, since that's what the Magna Carta intended. Four heathens break into my cottage. "What in the Lord's name?" As I grab my aventail bascinet and windlass arbalest. Punch a bolt through the first man, he's dead on the spot. Throw a pot of naft at the second man and miss entirely since it's a hand thrown grenade in the dark and burns down the neighbour's harvest causing them to starve in the winter. I have to resort to the pot of boiling oil at the top of the hay loft "Deus Lo Vult!" The boiling oil completely drenches two men and cause them to scream in agony and writhe on the ground, racked with incomprehensible pain. The screams of pain frightens horses in nearby stables. Draw sword and charge the last terrified infidel. He bleeds out with no one to assist him since this is Feudal Europe and nobody gives a shit. Just as the Magna Carta intended.

“So my immediate thing is...” -Fringy

@Kernwadi

Жыл бұрын

The Green Frogman always speaks the truth.

For once I feel like I disagree with almost everything Fringy said, except for Bojacks parents being cartoonishly evil they were but I think it was on purpose honestly

@Kernwadi

Жыл бұрын

I dunno if I agree or disagree, I've seen a handful episodes of BoJack in the past and I can barely remember anything about them; I also don't remember any funny moments or jokes which would stick in my head like with other comedy shows... I'm not saying it's evidence for it being bad, just that it means something. I can still recall moments from some of the first South Park episodes I've watched about 8 years ago.

@andrewlevin6331

Жыл бұрын

I’ve never seen the show, but I know the basic gist of it. Wouldn’t Bojack’s exploration of depression and self-loathing be a bit more meaningful if It didn’t come from his parents being cartoon villains?

@bcanimacoes6280

5 ай бұрын

​@@andrewlevin6331no, because the show deals with topics such as generational mental health issues. Bojack's problems were also product of child abuse.

@andrewlevin6331

5 ай бұрын

@@bcanimacoes6280 no I get it. I mean parental abuse is typically more complicated then just the parent being an unrepentant monster, ya know? I mean from what I can gather Bojack’s whole thing is “why can’t I be happy?” But the answer is painfully obvious “your parents never showed you any affection so you don’t feel like you deserve affection.” It’s not complicated. Ya see where I’m coming from?

@bcanimacoes6280

5 ай бұрын

​@@andrewlevin6331That's really not the only message that was being communicated. Bojack's state is a combination of factors and it doesn't boil down to his family. A lot of his misery is due to his own fault and guilt. Which is why he also thinks he doesn't deserve to be happy nor does he try to make the necessary steps to improve.

Ay, I'm in this, and also got a response from the Froggle himself (hello Fringy, if you are stopping by here for whatever reason; hi Rags). I still remember the emotions I was going through this time as I was a very, very frustrated Bojack fan watching a show I kind of loved and held dear just becoming an absolutely god awful mess; I was also a relatively recent EFAP/MauLer fan around that time, too. To those curious, for whatever reason (I'm just assuming like the egotist I am), I no longer like the series and I feel unfathomably depressed as this show really did mean a lot to me when it came to speaking the emotions I felt about myself and trying-and failing-to tackle darker themes in an animated format. Only to fumble, greatly. Diane I would say is the glaring red flag for this show and its flaws, as she is a massive hypocrite and just does not get the amount of punishment Bojack goes through, and is treated like a voice of reason often and a soapbox and voice of the authors. Anyway, praise the Don and Tonald.

@Kernwadi

Жыл бұрын

I doubt that any of the EFAP members will ever grace my channel with their presence, but there is always a tiny bit of hope. Praise the Cosmic Chicken and Don bless.

@Kernwadi

Жыл бұрын

I've recently engaged in small discussions in comments of BoJack reviews, what surprises me is that pretty much everyone seems to praise and defend it against all criticism; not a single person who'd back me up or at least be neutral.

I'd say the show still holds some value to me as someone who enjoyed it as a teen (and was oblivious to politics) at the time. But I will say that for a show that criticizes the ideologies of Hollywood, it sure does share a lot of ideologies with Hollywood. That and it's super hard to rewatch as I've come to realize it's a surprisingly static series.

@Rays326

5 ай бұрын

It criticized Fractionating then showed that fractionation caused the houses water to be boiling hot all the time. I live in Houston. We have MANY Fracs here. This is a very hot state. I wish I had free hot water. It was such a weird thing that stuck with me.

@Kernwadi

5 ай бұрын

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"🐎🥛" ~ Horsehead Baggins

@Kernwadi

Жыл бұрын

That's a forbidden milk.

Bojak is one of those "comedy" shows that people put on in the background while doing other things.

@playthehighnote1122

8 ай бұрын

Yep. It's a stoner show.

@Kernwadi

5 ай бұрын

Pretty much yes.

I've been looking for this, and this show was pretty bad

@Kernwadi

Жыл бұрын

Haven't watched much of it, but from what EFAP said it's probably a good thing.

Haven’t seen Bojack, but this is sounding similar to the many flaws of Hazbin Hotel and also Helluva Boss.

I remember watching some BoJack Horseman in the past, not the whole series but episode here and there... And honestly I don't remember anything about it, this show just disappear from my mind. With other animated comedy shows like South Park for example, I can still recall moments and jokes from some of the first episodes I've watched about 8 years ago, but I have nothing for BoJack. I'm not saying that it's evidence of the show being bad, it just makes me wonder if it could be any good if I literally deleted it from my memory. Perhaps I should give it another try but I don't know if I want to potentially waste my time.

@Kernwadi

Жыл бұрын

"Objectivity is objective, in my subjectively subjective opinion." -Bilbo Baggins

I'm normally onboard with the crew but this is an example of EFAP using objectively wrong. I'm not a simpsons fan, the example given of great simpsons comedy, I get it, didn't find it funny. Iv'e even went back and watched season 1&2 again on your recommendation now that I'm older and didn't laugh once. Whereas Bojack universe people being happy eating chemically lobotomized chicken people is funny and good world building. It might be difficult to understand but for 99.99% of human existence everyone was fine with slavery, it might be abhorrent and, if you lived a sheltered life, "world breaking", so horrid no one would ever do it, but for almost everyone throughout history no one was freaking out and collapsing in the streets screaming at the sky, it was normal; and in the Bojackverse eating chemically lobotomized chicken people is normal and your reaction to it is the joke, you're the butt!

im dissapointed Jay left before they started talking about this, I know she really likes the show and it would have been neat to hear her perspective

@Kernwadi

Жыл бұрын

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@mccor002

Жыл бұрын

He. His.

@stingerredshock3418

Жыл бұрын

@@mccor002 She He They

@pawnhearts8785

Жыл бұрын

@@mccor002 Jay goes by any pronouns. You don’t need to go about correcting people.

@frecklenuckle4450

2 ай бұрын

@@mccor002 cringe shit

I guess it’s due to popularity but in hindsight, Californication, as rushed as it is with flawed choices and high and low seasons as it has, is the vastly better version of BoJack Horseman. Better characters, better intertwining of the comedy and has. significant story threads going through each season that connect all through out.

@Kernwadi

Жыл бұрын

Never heard of that one.

Don't forget to breath Fringy.

@Kernwadi

Жыл бұрын

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i saw only clips and everytime they "made a point" it felt like they where making a unleveled, cherry picked point like "men are over powering women" and they used bojack got some girl back on stuff and she od as if a friend, or parent, or any female related to her could do the same, yeah jack did get her junk but its no diffirent if a gal pal got her wasted and gave her other thinfs for a good night.

@Kernwadi

Ай бұрын

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Show has some hard hitting moments but i agree it's not that well thought out. Especially votka in the water bottle thing.

@Kernwadi

5 ай бұрын

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20:12

@Kernwadi

Жыл бұрын

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I think some people forget it’s a show about trauma and a CARTOON 😭😭😭

@Kernwadi

3 ай бұрын

I don't think that's an excuse for anything.

bro did not understand the show lol

@Kernwadi

5 ай бұрын

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I haven't seen the show, but I find the take about the anthropomorphic animals eating other animals to be a little silly. It's obviously not meant to be taken that seriously. And no, you don't need that to be fully explored and developed unless you're an autist of the highest order. I'd guess it's meant to be something the audience realizes but largely goes uncommented on by the inhabitants of the world. Whether or not you find that amusing is a different discussion. Also, Mauler and Fringy love Buffy. Their opinions are kinda questionable.

@Kernwadi

5 ай бұрын

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@owlsthirdeye6174

2 ай бұрын

IIRC they do spend at least 1 episode focused on the whole animals eating animals idea. Mauler and Fringy's point was that its a bizarre choice at best to have wacky high jinks and serious realistic drama at the same time. It'd be one thing if they never addressed it at all, its another to use how bizarre it is as a point of comedy while trying to tell a serious dramatic story.

Well, thats explain why i never cared to watch this show.

@Kernwadi

Жыл бұрын

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Worst take ever lmao

@Kernwadi

5 ай бұрын

I dunno, that show isn't exactly great.

@bcanimacoes6280

5 ай бұрын

​@@Kernwadiwhy?

@justanotherday5833

5 ай бұрын

​@@bcanimacoes6280watch the video mate he explains why

@shrouls

17 күн бұрын

​@@justanotherday5833the reasons are retarded

what the ---- are you talking abut?

@Kernwadi

5 ай бұрын

:)

Yessss bojack is a garbage show (ive never seen this show and will use this as an excuse to never see this show again because im lazy as fuck)

@Kernwadi

5 ай бұрын

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