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Dave reviews and tears down the $300 Quick 861DW hot air rework station. How much better is it than the $70 Atten 858D+ ?
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  • @rossmanngroup
    @rossmanngroup6 жыл бұрын

    Upon rewatching, by far the best part of this video is the enthusiasm Dave shows at removing the Vanta. I love it!!

  • @EEVblog

    @EEVblog

    6 жыл бұрын

    So enthusiastic it seems, I lost my balls.

  • @MrPnew1

    @MrPnew1

    5 жыл бұрын

    It's OK Dave, Louis is always misplacing his balls :)

  • @VileVermin

    @VileVermin

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@EEVblog balls... oh - balls!!! kzread.info/dash/bejne/m6um3K1pnruXkso.html

  • @VileVermin

    @VileVermin

    5 жыл бұрын

    couple days ago i removed south bridge from PC motherboard just using cheap HAG but with help of my kitchen electric stove as pre-heater - it was really simple but mobo now screwed like propeller blade :) :) :) ru.aliexpress.com/item/220V-240V-450W-450-Degree-LCD-Adjustable-Electronic-Heat-Hot-Air-Gun-Desoldering-Soldering-Station-IC/32272327737.html

  • @deceitive3338

    @deceitive3338

    5 жыл бұрын

    Hey Louis and Dave, I own a rework/solder station and have the same issue with flickering (fluorescent) lights in my workshop. I did some investigating with a power meter and in my case at least it is caused by the logic board modulating the heating element on/off in short pulses once it is up to temperature to keep it at temp. Taking the heater off the stand also causes my lights to dim, placing it back in the holder fixes that issue immediately (while the fan is still cooling it down). The entire workshop is on one breaker, separating the lighting from the outlets at the breaker panel should solve the issue.

  • @austinstrunk
    @austinstrunk6 жыл бұрын

    Louis and Dave working together in the same room on cam would blow up youtube

  • @Frankhe78

    @Frankhe78

    6 жыл бұрын

    Dave and Louis joining in a rant would be interesting to see :)

  • @Bigrignohio

    @Bigrignohio

    6 жыл бұрын

    Bigclivedotcom will show up to keep them in line. Well, probably will make it worse! :)

  • @gandalf87264

    @gandalf87264

    6 жыл бұрын

    Actually, I think it would be quite comical. Have you ever seen Louis and Jessa before? Bloody hilarious.

  • @arcrad

    @arcrad

    6 жыл бұрын

    As long as he is bringing the bubbly wine I think all will be well!

  • @zivizivi2328

    @zivizivi2328

    6 жыл бұрын

    yea right they would do all talk no work like always... these dudes everyone look up to need to learn better soldering skills they are both horrible with soldering iron imho.

  • @Liamtronix
    @Liamtronix6 жыл бұрын

    Louis Rossmann is what you'd call a straight shooter. Super detailed repair videos and the occasional random life lessons. Definitely worth subscribing.

  • @CoolKoon

    @CoolKoon

    6 жыл бұрын

    Life lessons learned from repairing branded pricey crap, yeah :D

  • @CoolKoon

    @CoolKoon

    6 жыл бұрын

    Misty Moo Not everybody likes to beat around the bush (even when it's completely unnecessary, useless and even counterproductive) all their lives you know....

  • @ollieb9875

    @ollieb9875

    6 жыл бұрын

    Misty Moo I like him. I don't think he'd be my friend in a hurry but I respect what he does and how he gets things across.

  • @ollieb9875

    @ollieb9875

    6 жыл бұрын

    zivizivi he calls bullshit when he sees it, shame you all can't deal with it. Then again, you're hardly worth it.

  • @zivizivi2328

    @zivizivi2328

    6 жыл бұрын

    Ollie B why do you care so much if we are not worth. too much drama and nothing real to learn or gain from his content. just a guy loves to listen to his own voice. and the real bullshit is trying to sell crap from youtube.

  • @kieferonline
    @kieferonline6 жыл бұрын

    Thumbs up for association with Mr. Rossman. Having Dave and Louis in a combined video-something would get invented on the spot. Two guys I respect.

  • @livelongandprosper70

    @livelongandprosper70

    5 жыл бұрын

    sycophant

  • @mikeselectricstuff
    @mikeselectricstuff6 жыл бұрын

    Really surprised to see a brushless motor in there. How would conducted or radiated noise cause lights to flicker? It's obviously just the current draw when the heater turns on & off

  • @JGnLAU8OAWF6

    @JGnLAU8OAWF6

    6 жыл бұрын

    Exactly! Brushless motors are everywhere now...

  • @mrjohhhnnnyyy5797

    @mrjohhhnnnyyy5797

    6 жыл бұрын

    mikeselectricstuff Exactly, I have much weaker hot air station which does the same. It uses a TRIAC in leading edge phase fired controller circuit, which is the source of that flicker.

  • @IlhanNegis

    @IlhanNegis

    6 жыл бұрын

    yea, 110v sucks

  • @madmodders

    @madmodders

    6 жыл бұрын

    Yes, Louis needs to not run that on the same circuit as the lights. When I'm down in some old cellars doing my work with a 2kW hot air gun, the lights flicker like crazy. Old wimpy wiring and long runs from the breaker panel tends to do that to you.

  • @gandalf87264

    @gandalf87264

    6 жыл бұрын

    Induction does strange things :P

  • @HopWorksET
    @HopWorksET2 жыл бұрын

    Once again sir you hit on ALL the key points that allow me to justify purchasing a tool like this. So entertaining AND informative. Thank you again Dave! You are just flat out AWESOME!

  • @homersimpson9257
    @homersimpson92576 жыл бұрын

    I bought one on the advise of Louis, really a great product. I was following Dave some years before Louis, i'm glad to see this review on this product from Dave too.

  • @gandalf87264
    @gandalf872646 жыл бұрын

    Louis' advice: Wait for the chip to dance (move) before you remove it. I made the same mistake until I saw Louis do it. I have learned loads from his content You didn't seem to like the angle of the fan, even though you didn't criticize it. I think I see the method behind the madness of the designers. I think the placing of the fan enables it to suck cold air over the components that get hot before it gets heated and blown out of the nozzle at a PC board. Brilliant ingenuity. I take my hat off to them. It is always a pleasure to watch somebody who knows what he is talking about, and it is a pleasure watching you. Keep it up mate :)

  • @vincei4252
    @vincei42526 жыл бұрын

    I bought one of these soon after Louis's review. It is indeed very good. Compared to my existing rework station no contest for desoldering large components and BGA's and such there's simply no contest. Also Louis, is a great channel. He's a good guy and for someone who's much older than him I've gotten a few life lessons too. I like his cats too :)

  • @gnagyusa
    @gnagyusa6 жыл бұрын

    Dave and Louis are both awesome. It's nice to see some collaboration between them.

  • @betamax80
    @betamax806 жыл бұрын

    It's great to see collaborative youtubing. Well done sir Dave!

  • @MrDoneboy
    @MrDoneboy3 жыл бұрын

    Dave and Louis...Two of my favorites!

  • @peekpt
    @peekpt6 жыл бұрын

    I thought it was going to be yet another noisy aquarium pump hot air gun , but I'm surprised. It whooshes very well

  • @neilolif
    @neilolif6 жыл бұрын

    Hot air was one of my special skills!! Pre-heat bed and hot air gun and I could rework QFD devices, and BGA devices by hand, and I was tagged as the "expert" in my group. It can be a really really TRICKY skill! SOT packages, 0201 SMDs, of course 0402, 0603 and larger got to be a piece of cake.

  • @Boffin55
    @Boffin556 жыл бұрын

    Pretty sure Louis' issue is that a US circuit is only 15A @ 120V, so 1000W is a pretty good chunk of that. The big disadvantage of 120V and small (14ga / 2sqmm) wire. Not uncommon at all to see lights dip here in North America when a bit load is switched in

  • @rossmanngroup

    @rossmanngroup

    6 жыл бұрын

    It could be, but a JBC JT-A at full power causes zero flickering. Maybe the Quick is more powerful, but I don't think it is *that* more powerful. As much as I love my Quick I have to acknowledge that the $1200+ price difference comes from cheaping out on the power supply.

  • @ethanpoole3443

    @ethanpoole3443

    6 жыл бұрын

    Boffin A typical 120V US circuit may be either 15A (1800W, #14 copper minimum) or 20A (2400W, #12 copper minimum), both are quite common though in very old structures the 15A circuit was much more typical since in the first half of the 20th century a typical household load consisted of lights, a radio, later a TV, and the occasional clothes iron or vacuum and that was about it outside of the kitchen. However, the tendency towards flicker really depends a lot upon where in the AC cycle the heating element is being powered on. I would imagine they are using a random phase triac driver, which means you can be switching on a high powered heating element right at the AC peaks with fair regularity and if your circuit is already loaded down or has a fairly long run back to the mains panel then you can get noticeable flicker, particularly with fluorescent and LED lighting. You might well be able to get away with swapping the random phase triac driver for a zero-crossover driver and resolve the flicker issue so long as long as the temperature regulation loop is not adversely altered.

  • @rasz

    @rasz

    6 жыл бұрын

    >cheaping out on the power supply there is no power supply, heating element is directly switched to the mains

  • @allesklarklaus147

    @allesklarklaus147

    6 жыл бұрын

    rasz exactly

  • @allesklarklaus147

    @allesklarklaus147

    6 жыл бұрын

    Boffin Also it is an old NYC piece of shit building, probably just like 3 breakers for the whole place and 16awg wire

  • @ProtoG42
    @ProtoG426 жыл бұрын

    I've had mine for several months now and it's great!

  • @CPD-KD6-3.7
    @CPD-KD6-3.76 жыл бұрын

    First off. Shout out to Louis and Dave, both excellent youtubers in their respective categories!

  • @electronicsNmore
    @electronicsNmore6 жыл бұрын

    That "Quick" unit is very nice. A while back I picked up an 898D unit which I like very much, I stole it for $45.00 shipped.

  • @rocketman221projects
    @rocketman221projects6 жыл бұрын

    The light flickering is probably from the 1000W heating element being switched on and off. My $40 chinese reflow station does it, as well as my laser printer and laminator.

  • @menash54

    @menash54

    6 жыл бұрын

    what reflow station do you have? do you recommend it for hobbyist? i dont have the 300$ to spend

  • @shmehfleh3115

    @shmehfleh3115

    6 жыл бұрын

    Man my laser printer does! I can't believe how much current that thing sucks down when it's warming up. I'm surprised it doesn't trip a breaker.

  • @rocketman221projects

    @rocketman221projects

    6 жыл бұрын

    I have one of the youyue 858D reflow stations. It works fine for hobby use. Just be sure to check that the ground and the fuse is wired correctly if you get one.

  • @GeorgeGeorge-xj2bc

    @GeorgeGeorge-xj2bc

    5 жыл бұрын

    Check the optocoupler that drives the triac of AC heating element to see if is a zero cross type rather than a random phase that placed by mistake and causes the room light flickering.

  • @km5405
    @km54056 жыл бұрын

    I love Louis 's channel, great life lessons and lessons on board level smd repair work all round. ......... also time is money, the quick 861DW will earn back itself in a week if you are a professional.

  • @zaprodk
    @zaprodk6 жыл бұрын

    It's quite common for these stations to "hide" bad temperature regulation and give you a nice, round reading as long as the temp. is inside a small window :)

  • @rasz

    @rasz

    6 жыл бұрын

    its mianzi, aka lying in your face being more polite than bringing bad news, classic chinese

  • @ales_xy

    @ales_xy

    6 жыл бұрын

    Same with cheap chinese scales. They're good value for the price, but absolutely not in the professional instruments league. I can't imagine that someone would seriously suggest this as equipment in real lab :-)

  • @microwar
    @microwar6 жыл бұрын

    Than you for sending Louis your multimeter. To bad he only used it 2 times on camera.

  • @rossmanngroup

    @rossmanngroup

    6 жыл бұрын

    Hey, at least 3! :p I switched over to the B&K for the ability to see it on screen :)

  • @MisterIndeciso

    @MisterIndeciso

    6 жыл бұрын

    Which one: the 121GW or the other one? 'Cause the 121GW has Bluetooth Data Logging, it would be a good substitute of the B&K

  • @theirishscion

    @theirishscion

    6 жыл бұрын

    I doubt it would integrate with Louis' Open Broadcaster software as tidily as his usual DMM does, and Louis is many things but I don't think he's got the patience to program a connector :-)

  • @theirishscion

    @theirishscion

    6 жыл бұрын

    PhilfreezeCH with an Open Broadcaster plug-in?

  • @tonyrgnash
    @tonyrgnash6 жыл бұрын

    I bought a Quick 861DA about 8 weeks before Louis got his... i'd been deliberating on it for weeks. Glad I made the right choice. Wholly justified by your review too Dave. Odd thing is I get the same light flicker as Louis.. keep up the good work :)

  • @chasingcapsaicin
    @chasingcapsaicin6 жыл бұрын

    Not even watched it yet, but thank you Louis been waiting for this since he mentioned he sent you one. I have been trying to get a filter right to kill the feedback that messes with the lights since I got mine.

  • @fluffyfloof9267
    @fluffyfloof92676 жыл бұрын

    When you turn the holder around, you can pull the nozzle and have it cached in the cup. What for not having hot metal things rolling all over your bench. ;)

  • @allegas1
    @allegas16 жыл бұрын

    Yay, Dave! Atten consumes 280w and delivers 28l/m. It is standart blower fan, equipped in most of chinese soldering stations.

  • @Factory400
    @Factory4006 жыл бұрын

    The trick with these is the careful application of heat and not damaging all the surrounding parts. I generally pre-heat the whole board slowly before going for the lift. I also have high temp silicon sheets that I use to mask the target area. It does no good if you damage the PCB or other components. Liquid or gel flux is critical IMHO.

  • @krissolshaq4934

    @krissolshaq4934

    6 жыл бұрын

    KAPTON TAPE FTW!

  • @ethanpoole3443

    @ethanpoole3443

    6 жыл бұрын

    Kriss Olshaq I use Kapton tape as well, but I also rather like the idea of using silicone sheets, so I may have to give that a try one of these days.

  • @Factory400

    @Factory400

    6 жыл бұрын

    I use piles of Kapton tape as well. The silicon, in many cases, is easier to just flop a strip or donut shaped piece on top.

  • @melgross
    @melgross3 жыл бұрын

    I bought an 858D. But I bought it only for heat shrink tubing. I’ve got some good guns, but for smaller wires and such, they’re too big and overkill. Never tried it on surface mount components. It does come with several sizes of nozzles. The temp setback does work. Also, I got it on eBay for a bit over $40, shipped. Seriously, for $40, it’s pretty good. This model is available from a number of different vendors with the same, or similar look, with different names.

  • @gjsmo
    @gjsmo6 жыл бұрын

    400C at full airflow seems a bit excessive but I can't fault the speed, especially for the big FETs. I've used whatever hot air station Sparkfun sells before but this one definitely seems worth the added cost.

  • @mahound9

    @mahound9

    6 жыл бұрын

    I have the sparkfun station & use it for repairs. Gets you there, cost me 200 plus COD charges in Canada.

  • @gigaherz_
    @gigaherz_6 жыл бұрын

    When I read the title I thought "Quick" was referring to the review itself, and I was thinking "37 minutes isn't a quick review..."

  • @blindillusion9522

    @blindillusion9522

    6 жыл бұрын

    Thought the same. "classic Dave, puts the word "quick" in a 30+min video" :D

  • @stevewalston7089
    @stevewalston70896 жыл бұрын

    Nice fair review Dave. Stand was being used backwards, recessed bin area will catch tip when removed hot.

  • @gsmbrett3799
    @gsmbrett37996 ай бұрын

    I have one, I thought for a long time about what to buy, but this was the best choice, I worked everywhere Quick 861DW slow heat accuracy scrap!

  • @GenerationXT
    @GenerationXT6 жыл бұрын

    Good review, would be interesting to see a review on one of Quick's 90W soldering stations.

  • @sykskysyk
    @sykskysyk6 жыл бұрын

    This one's a forum classic, many many people have been recommending it for a long time.

  • @cls9474
    @cls94746 жыл бұрын

    the collab I was waiting for...

  • @hardrocklobsterroll395
    @hardrocklobsterroll3956 жыл бұрын

    Neat that Louis sent you this

  • @thegameboyboy3444
    @thegameboyboy34443 жыл бұрын

    Hi great video. Switching between Celsius and Fahrenheit can be achieved by pressing both the ch2 and ch3 buttons for 3 seconds. (Sound can be toggled on/off by pressing ch1 and ch3 for 3 seconds)

  • @mitchcm

    @mitchcm

    3 жыл бұрын

    This doesn't work on my 881D

  • @thegameboyboy3444

    @thegameboyboy3444

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@mitchcm that's a bummer! I've never used the 881d. I only have the 861d model. (Also I wrote my original comment wrong; it is ch1 and ch2 to toggle sound)

  • @Qban220
    @Qban2206 жыл бұрын

    Quick are the choice of Polish professional repair businesses for years now.

  • @nombinator

    @nombinator

    6 жыл бұрын

    Quick seems to be well distributed in Poland. I had to buy mine from there to France for around 250€. There was other offers in Europe but not for the beefier 861DW variant.

  • @romzget1892

    @romzget1892

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@nombinator bst 868 its better than quick 861dw

  • @superiorbeing95
    @superiorbeing955 жыл бұрын

    I got the Quick 857DW, so far it's been great.

  • @neiliewheeliebin
    @neiliewheeliebin4 жыл бұрын

    My 858D has held up for 3 years now its not bad for hobbyists i've used it a fair bit with no problems

  • @xConundrumx
    @xConundrumx5 жыл бұрын

    One correction, airflow on the DW model is only 120 (like it says in the display). The DE model of the 861 series is a 200 L version (and 1200 watts instead of 1000 on the DW). And on the DE the LCD setting goes to 200 (as expected).

  • @modorangeorge4991

    @modorangeorge4991

    Жыл бұрын

    861DW has 120l/min, Atten I think only has 24l/min.

  • @nrdesign1991
    @nrdesign19912 жыл бұрын

    Finally decided to get one of these, after having it at work for a year. It's a great station and very nice to work with.

  • @jllemus
    @jllemus6 жыл бұрын

    Probably someone already commented on this, but it seems there are two models, the 861DW and the 861DE. The DW only goes to 120 l/min and the DE is the one that goes up to 200 l/min. So the display is actually indicating the air flow in l/min.

  • @marekant7776
    @marekant77766 жыл бұрын

    I usually give the reworked part a slight poke with tweezers to make sure that it reflowed, then I lift the part.

  • @d0ugk
    @d0ugk6 жыл бұрын

    I'd guess the flickering lights is from the heating element. When it's cold from being off or cooled down from being in the rest, it's going to surge the element at full power to bring the heat up as quick as possible, then likely PWM the power to the element to maintain heat. I see the same with my cheapo heat gun like the one you have. My entire bench is on an APC 1500va SmartUPS. When the heat gun 1st comes in it nearly maxes out the load the UPS can take for a few seconds, then it levels out to a much lower power draw depending on the temperature set

  • @cogliostro841
    @cogliostro8416 жыл бұрын

    I also have this Quick Station. There is nothing in this price range that can compare. Hakko and Weller is almost 3 times the price of the quick. I have mine for almost half an year and I'm still very impressed. Unfortunately mine has a "beeping" noisy motor with high frequency sound -.- but beside of that if you searching a hot air station right now. There is no way around the quick

  • @quantumbubbles2106

    @quantumbubbles2106

    6 жыл бұрын

    I second this - Quick appears to be a truly high-quality manufacturer. My 861DW, btw, doesn't make any beeping or otherwise annoying noises.

  • @mattdunlop6056
    @mattdunlop60563 жыл бұрын

    honestly that temp memory feature on the quick is useful. I have an older cheaper model and switching between desoldering temps and lower temps for just melting stuff or shrink is a pain, many of times have I grabbed mine without thinking just to hit some heat shrink and its set at 400C

  • @chrisalexthomas
    @chrisalexthomas10 ай бұрын

    I came here to see the 858d in action because I just bought one and wanted to know how it would stack up against a professional machine. Thanks for the video. It really helped and I think I can do my amateur stuff with the 858d just fine. I just need to be a bit more patient. Great stuff!

  • @NivagSwerdna
    @NivagSwerdna6 жыл бұрын

    @23:00 You need some Ceramic Tweezers dude. Nice device. As a hobbyist I'll keep on with my UYUE 8586 but if it stops working the Quick will be on the wish list. Nice video.

  • @PolakeXD
    @PolakeXD5 жыл бұрын

    Definitely very good reflow station. I use it since four months and it is actually very good. Already repaired four Xbox One's and an Galaxy S6 motherboard with it.

  • @deadfreightwest5956
    @deadfreightwest59566 жыл бұрын

    I had to laugh at the "LEAD FREE" stencil.

  • @onjofilms
    @onjofilms6 жыл бұрын

    I've used Aoyue 968 for the last 11 years. Had to replace the soldering iron part of the station, but as for that, it's been a trooper. My only complaint is there is some radio noise around 150Mhz and again at 155Mhz that interferes with my testing of radios. I usually have to program the radios to something else so it doesn't get interference.

  • @irawarnaca8133
    @irawarnaca81336 жыл бұрын

    On the wish list for sure.

  • @button-puncher
    @button-puncher Жыл бұрын

    WOW. I always thought you needed some special rig to remove those big BGA chips. This is so cool. The build quality on the 861 looks really nice. I just decided to get the 957DW+. It looks like the middle between the two models. It has the remote blower, which I like. I'm guessing that you could quiet the blower down with a bellmouth intake and some foam.

  • @jonaspeters5213
    @jonaspeters52136 жыл бұрын

    I use one everyday, love it

  • @Bodi2000
    @Bodi20006 жыл бұрын

    I think if you put a scope on the heater you would see it switches fairly slowly, that causes the lights flickering... just the branch circuit voltage drop due to the heater load. I get lights flickering with a temp controlled heat gun when the lights are on the same breaker. Louis probably has the same thing, needs isolated circuits for lighting vs high power equipment. But, as a renter, doing electrical upgrades is just donating $$$ to the landperson...

  • @micksam7

    @micksam7

    6 жыл бұрын

    This right here. I have a different SMC rework station and when it switches the heater on/off it causes heavy voltage drop on the bench circuit, sometimes fast enough to get a nice flicker going on the bench lights. It is far worse on a 110v system with that 1kW load.

  • @theirishscion

    @theirishscion

    6 жыл бұрын

    micksam7 Bingo. It’s brutal on a normal 110v circuit with any other load on it. It does proper zero-voltage AC chopping (watch Louis’s teardown; they get the scope on it. It switches just like the Hakko or any other high end unit, it’s just much higher current) and basically everything else right, but there’s only so much it can do with weak sauce US mains circuits.

  • @williamsquires3070
    @williamsquires30706 жыл бұрын

    Yeah, and you can use on heat-shrink tubing as well!! 😍

  • @andrew_koala2974
    @andrew_koala29743 жыл бұрын

    The temperature can be increased closer to 500°C when removing components, as they are in all probability 'Cactus' anyway so the higher temperature becomes irrelevant, and use a higher air volume, so the removal time would be around 12 seconds. Reduce the temperature to no more than 400°C and a lower air volume when soldering in the new components. Of course, having clean solder pads and using the appropriate solder paste. I use AMTECH All in all a fair and enthusiastic review. We have come a long way since the days of TESA and TETIA membership

  • @tHaH4x0r
    @tHaH4x0r6 жыл бұрын

    The motor may look 'wimpy' but you'd be surprised how much power a small brushless motor can deliver. For a robotics project we used a brushed motor of about 15W to drive a dribbler system to move a ball. This motor was replaced by a tiny brushless motor from maxon motors (i believe it was the EC max 30) which was just 30mm x 62mm, a lot smaller than the original 15W brushed one, yet put out an incredible 60W of power.

  • @theirishscion

    @theirishscion

    6 жыл бұрын

    This is the actual motor used; www.wonsmart.com/English/Product/0586241350.html It's a torquey little brute, 17,000RPM unloaded speed, 8K full load delivering a max torque of 58 mN-m. Real ball bearings. 3 hall effect sensors, 3 phase. 110-ish watts under full load. Very narrow and light spinning mass for ease of balance and quietness. Excellent choice. Not a cheap motor either,.

  • @tHaH4x0r

    @tHaH4x0r

    6 жыл бұрын

    True, for quality motors you have to spend big bucks, but its worth it. Next to clearly better performance and being quiet, they last a loooot longer in my experience.

  • @Satchmoeddie
    @Satchmoeddie6 жыл бұрын

    The Atten cost me around $39 American. Same experience, but Atten is adequate, and it's good for for heat shrink, and heat polishing acrylic for DIY light pipes.

  • @ReinForceOne
    @ReinForceOne6 жыл бұрын

    @3:25 - thats a shot from Louis towards Jessa from ipadrehab (who ordered these 45° nozzles first but Louis got them b4 her)

  • @manuel-zx1wn
    @manuel-zx1wn5 жыл бұрын

    i just bought the Atten 858D+ for 27 euro.... price-performance unbeatable. for hobby stuff its great;)

  • @aneeshprasobhan

    @aneeshprasobhan

    4 жыл бұрын

    wait what the heck

  • @haraldvanarkel4429
    @haraldvanarkel44296 жыл бұрын

    I always use the stand the other way round. That way the nozzles don't fly away but fall in the tray instead.

  • @sncat
    @sncat5 жыл бұрын

    Compare Quick 861DW with Best BST-863, and with NT 762E, low price product to one category. Quick 861 DW and Best BST863, inside the same, the parameters are the same, but the price is lower twice at BST 863. Do a comparative review.

  • @BryanTorok
    @BryanTorok5 жыл бұрын

    At one-fourth the price, the Atten looks perfectly adequate for most home users. I would expect that a slightly smaller nozzle would concentrate the heat probably increase performance slightly.

  • @redsquirrelftw
    @redsquirrelftw6 жыл бұрын

    I was using a heat gun in my server room to test some temperature alarm points and noticed the lights flickering too, I think it's because these type of devices just modulate on/off instead of just adjusting the voltage to the element.

  • @chinaphonefixteam6300
    @chinaphonefixteam6300 Жыл бұрын

    QUICK 861DW professional mobile phone repair and repair station, using brushless vortex fan, adjustable air volume, wide range, can be used for a variety of purposes. The system has the function of automatic cooling of air volume, which prolongs the life of heating elements and protects the hot air handle.

  • @Daniel-hd7gq
    @Daniel-hd7gq4 жыл бұрын

    The 861DW is the 120l/min version! The 861DE can do 200l/min and has 1200 W

  • @CPD-KD6-3.7
    @CPD-KD6-3.76 жыл бұрын

    1:23 top right hand corner in the pop-up “screwing machine” lol

  • @yagoa
    @yagoa4 жыл бұрын

    A really nice hack would be getting cold air if you press temp up and down at the same time

  • @loosrudi
    @loosrudi5 жыл бұрын

    Radiated switching will also be highly unlikely as the unit uses MOC3041 to drive the Triacs and that is a ZVC Opto Coupler for the heater. Having watched Louis' video, The Hakko also created flickering so I would have a serious look at the mains wiring. High loads on his mains seems to cause the issue. Just my 2c worth.

  • @Stabby666
    @Stabby6665 жыл бұрын

    It's funny watching dave do a similar job to Louis, but without adding 6 gallons of flux to the board before desoldering :)

  • @Boz1211111
    @Boz12111116 ай бұрын

    All reviews said cheap blower not so good and only for ocasional work, but thats what i needed so i bought it for 50 dolars. Impressive, especially for the price. Now your review is first where i see how capable cheap one is. True its slower, but with so much headroom on the temp i dont bother i will be needing more expensive any time if ever. And one if best parts with my cheap station is it stacks perfectly with my other tools!

  • @Alaakso
    @Alaakso6 жыл бұрын

    Here's my thinking.... You set the minimum temperature needed for the desolder and then adjust the power/speed with airflow, since the the heating power carried by the airstream is depended on temperature and airflow on equal proportion.

  • @anthonysunay7916
    @anthonysunay79162 жыл бұрын

    Actually, gas soldering irons with the hot air tip can do the same especially good when repairing something in situ. A good example of this is the iroda solder pro with hot air attachment

  • @kissingfrogs
    @kissingfrogs6 жыл бұрын

    Hall Effect type thing. I inherited mine without the stand so was unaware they auto switch off when in a stand. Drove me nuts while trying to replace the voice coil on a big woofer. Damn thing kept turning off when ever I brought it near the speaker. Had me stumped for awhile.

  • @DandyDon1
    @DandyDon16 жыл бұрын

    If I understand correctly the 1meg ohm resistor from line to ground, supposedly for noise is something which was done to audio equipment in the 1960s-1970s. It creates a live chassis situation. I'd snip that out.

  • @johnthomson843

    @johnthomson843

    5 жыл бұрын

    You have misunderstood the video. This is a high value inline resistor used to safely ground the earth strap socket at the back of the chassis. It isn't connected to the live supply in any way.

  • @SevenDeMagnus
    @SevenDeMagnus3 жыл бұрын

    Cool both from the epic Quick brand (KSGER also used their hot air SMD workstation system for KSGER's epic solder and desoldering tools:-)

  • @avejst
    @avejst6 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for sharing 😀👍

  • @corenelius
    @corenelius6 жыл бұрын

    My brother in-law used to work at the Adelaide Showgrounds setting up and repairing power distribution points for show rides etc. They commonly referred to using two cable ties to secure flexible leads within an enclosure as 'Carnie Proofing'. Apparently the show-ride operators, or 'Carnies', had a reputation of being a little rougher than most with flexible power leads, often driving off with things still connected. Two cable ties = 'Carnie Proof'

  • @SunnybraeCroft
    @SunnybraeCroft4 жыл бұрын

    Love Louis Rossmann’s videos

  • @jedrula77
    @jedrula774 жыл бұрын

    32:11, not You mistake, just use FLUX easy to remove after desolder process and vacuum tweezers to lift big BFA chips. Good to use termo sensor and best way to use preheater set to 100-150 st C. No to fast heat or internal silicon can crack.

  • @paziipa
    @paziipa6 жыл бұрын

    Louis Rossman is the man! 😍

  • @Der_Arathok

    @Der_Arathok

    6 жыл бұрын

    no he is the Ross-man! :D Im gonna jump of a bridge now...

  • @paziipa

    @paziipa

    6 жыл бұрын

    AcolyteArathok you deserve one internet

  • @Der_Arathok

    @Der_Arathok

    6 жыл бұрын

    uuuh dont know if i want that xD with all the offended people and stuff around xD But thank you anyway! :)

  • @ogplayapp

    @ogplayapp

    6 жыл бұрын

    @ruuhkis......"Rossmann"

  • @PlasmaHH
    @PlasmaHH6 жыл бұрын

    As for hacking it, I have replaced the firmware of a solder station with proper PID control as well as zero cross switchin on the triac. Also display of the real temperature vs. the set. Note that afaik the atten shows the real temperature only when it is in power down mode, when it thinks its up to temperature it never shows any overshoot, but when you then put it down, it suddenly does. Regarding the loctite on the ground screw, I have seen some where this caused it to have no contact as it crawled in between.

  • @theirishscion

    @theirishscion

    6 жыл бұрын

    The quick uses a remarkably well-tuned PID for temperature control. Dave's experimental methodology (sort of vaguely stuffing a thermocouple bead into the nozzle) is, well, poor. I set up a proper jig to hold the handpiece with the thermocouple in free air 5mm from the nozzle outlet so I could test/offset it properly shortly after I got it, and aside from the time taken to bring the nozzle up to temperature, the output is astonishingly accurate. Within ~5 degrees for the whole range, getting more accurate as the temperatures got hotter (up to the limit of my thermocouple anyway) So when he says 'it must be lying about temperature, it can't be that stable' I believe he is mistaken.

  • @nerddub

    @nerddub

    5 жыл бұрын

    Have you posted the Firmware?

  • @Yousitech
    @Yousitech6 жыл бұрын

    You can now get an 858d for 35$

  • @lmaoroflcopter

    @lmaoroflcopter

    6 жыл бұрын

    Ditto. Works pretty well for hobbiest level. Been a great addition to my workbench.

  • @RejectedManiac

    @RejectedManiac

    6 жыл бұрын

    Chryseus Do you happen to have a link to the CFW? Thanks!

  • @ales_xy
    @ales_xy6 жыл бұрын

    Type-K thermocouple can go from -270 °C to +1260 °C (www.thermocoupleinfo.com/type-k-thermocouple.htm), but it's just the metal wires, not the plastic insulation. So, at higher temperatures you can get the end of the insulation slightly burned, but the thermocouple will be OK and accurate.

  • @acwrench
    @acwrench6 жыл бұрын

    I have this one, I love it.

  • @TheModernVictorian
    @TheModernVictorian6 жыл бұрын

    when you wiggled one of the wires into the screw terminals, I could see the copper poking from the other side move, might wanna re-crimp that one, take a look.. 13:26

  • @greywolf271
    @greywolf271 Жыл бұрын

    Dave Approves ! That's why I bought one myself.

  • @AlexTaradov
    @AlexTaradov6 жыл бұрын

    Louis's mains just can't handle heater consuming that much, it is not EMI. He needs better wiring.

  • @Bigrignohio

    @Bigrignohio

    6 жыл бұрын

    Alex Taradov He leases. Any improvements he loses when he goes.

  • @AlexTaradov

    @AlexTaradov

    6 жыл бұрын

    Yes, I know. And he is going to be kicked out of the place at the end of the lease. All I'm saying is don't overthink it, the reason is simple.

  • @nombinator

    @nombinator

    6 жыл бұрын

    Is Louis in 220/230 V mains or that ugly 110 V US custom mains voltage ? That could be part of the answer.

  • @johnw1385

    @johnw1385

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@nombinator lol not sure how the nation that invented the grid has an odd custom voltage relative to later adopters. As for less subjective I seem to recall 50hz is a bitch for motors. Having watched enough LR I'd guess he chose to use recycled soda cans instead of copper wire 😂 220 easier to get a lethal hit from too no? Simple i=e/r

  • @ferrumignis

    @ferrumignis

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@johnw1385 240v means lower current for the same power, less voltage drop for a given conductor size or cheaper conductors for a given voltage drop. Fatalities in modern GFCI protected installations are very rare.

  • @Der_Arathok
    @Der_Arathok6 жыл бұрын

    9:43 Isnt that sleeving around the wires for heat protection?

  • @jaguarjordan1
    @jaguarjordan16 жыл бұрын

    Love my quick, I am pleased with the build quality vs. Price. No light flicker on my end. Only thing i would change is the lid..make it completely flat and a cool air/ no heat setting.

  • @rossmanngroup

    @rossmanngroup

    6 жыл бұрын

    I wish it was totally flat. I stack my FX-951 and holster on top of it. I use magnets to stick the iron holster to the Quick top so it doesn't fall off. The top is magnetic which makes this easy.

  • @jaguarjordan1

    @jaguarjordan1

    6 жыл бұрын

    Haha yeah, that's why I still love the hakko 936. Have a 4x936 stack going on.

  • @MikkelKroman
    @MikkelKroman6 жыл бұрын

    I'm not sure if I'm a fan of the CH1, CH2 and CH3 buttons, I'd prefer maybe a left/right or up/down cycle button to switch between presets stored in flash. That way you could have many more presets.

  • @ctoforhire
    @ctoforhire6 жыл бұрын

    "...just stick it up the clacker" - I nearly spit out my coffee laughing ;)

  • @laernulienlaernulienlaernu8953
    @laernulienlaernulienlaernu89534 жыл бұрын

    It's just like most tools and equipment, the more you use something, the more you can warrant spending on it. I think the cheapi would be adequate for most hobbyists but obviously the one that's 4 times the price is going to be better

  • @SuperAWaC
    @SuperAWaC6 жыл бұрын

    initially comprehended the title as being a "quick review" at 37 minutes, it makes far more sense now that i see the name of the thing is "quick"

  • @Biela2008
    @Biela20086 жыл бұрын

    33:22 Send it to Louis for repair! He 'loves' replacing BGA-s!

  • @bleckers

    @bleckers

    6 жыл бұрын

    Fix my balls!

  • @rubino7
    @rubino74 жыл бұрын

    Just FYI, this thing is about 150 euro shipped from AliExpress. This is without a sale going on so you could shave off another 10-20 euro.

  • @Direkin
    @Direkin6 жыл бұрын

    I've just got a cheap YiHua rework station. It's good for the basics.

  • @whatsupchuck6179
    @whatsupchuck61795 жыл бұрын

    Hello, you seem very knowledgeable of this product. I have this station as well and it's no longer heating properly. I replaced the heating element, and it did not fix it. It's barley heating at all. What is the most likely part that's causing it to not regulate the temp?

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