Glad you shouted out the film ‘Israelism’ 👏 + Hannah Arendt (+ Buber) Might wanna point to some historians, Ilan Pappé, Rashid Khalidi, Avi Shlaim… reading ongoing daily coverage on Mondoweiss + The Electronic Intifada… or watching EI's livestreams + Democracy Now! all these guys are on youtube as well… + Al Jazeera's documentaries are great… there's so much genuinely solid info available ✊

@spurgo

29 күн бұрын

"electronic intifada" and "monsoweiss" - you really hate a safe space for jews, hm? "intidada" literally means killing everyone on the face of the earth that is jewish or has "degraded" the land of israel.

David, this is wonderful, important, and commendable. Thank you! Keep it up!

Hello Mr. Guignion! Omrie here. Jewish, Israeli, Zionist. Thank you for the interesting take, like many in your channel. I can’t wait to hear the next chapter, even though it’s a tough subject to listen to. For me, as someone who was born and raised with the notion us Israelis are good people who are "forced" to fight for our survival (and i still think it's true, in some degree), its not easy to hear the racist undetones some zionist leaders had over the years. It's like hearing that your loving parents were bad people, and it's hard for me to accept - even though i know much of it is the truth. I depise Netanyhu and all the extreamist assholes who brought us to this situation. But I can hear how hard it was for you too, and I respect your convictionm and your willing to face this horrible situation heads on. I think a lot of good people around the world, horrified and confused (just like us here, in Tel Aviv and other Israeli cities - and of course in Gaza), need to understand that at this point in time, both Israelis and Palestinians are captives of our own extremaists and their delutional agendas. To me, HAMAS and the israeli govements are on the same side (no wonder - the Isreali govement fonded HAMAS for years, just so they'll be able to us them as an excuse to not agree to a Palestinian state). But it's importent to me to clerify soemthing crucial about zionism, that gets lost in all this chaos - the most basic form of Zionism, from the very begining, was the notion that Jews need to have their own country so they'll be safe from two-thousand years of torment and horror. I believe this ideology, this naive concept, was distorted without recogniton by the European conolialism, the American Imperialsm and of course by our own Jewish-suprimicy goverments, that made it their mission the drown all of us in an endless holy war. So many good, honest Israelis believe even now that the endless ocupation is nececery for Jewish survival. Its not from malice, and not even from racism. It's just fear - the fear of being once again at mercy to those who "just follows orders". From my point of view, the history of our region is so complex, and full of good and bad from both sides, that doing a historic discussion won’t lead to anywhere productive (I do believe you said many things out of context, particularly about Hertzel and the begaining of Zionism, but that’s fine. You have planty other facts to prove your point). The most importent things right now is to make sure this horrible war will end, and Palentians in Gaza and the west bank will be safe and free, and that Jews will get keep their right to defend themselves. As you said, both things can be as importent at the same time. Again, thank you for the ingellegent discourse. May all of us - Palestinian and Israelis - find a way to live side by side, free, safe and in control of our own destiny. I do wish it, as zionist who still bbelieve in peace and freedom for all mankind.

@sirilandgren

Ай бұрын

Thank you for trying (and managing) to remain a thinking being in all this horror.

@ghany.3

6 күн бұрын

The history of Palestine is the simplest history. Egypt is complicated, Syria is, Lebanon is, etc. Postcolonial socieities and politics are difficult. Settler colonialism and foreign domination is as easy as it can be. And don't say: the history of "our" region!!!!!!!!!! Your bothsidesist discourse is ridiculous and infuriating... you're WAY more infuriating than Netanyahu and Ben Gvir GOSH!!!

@omriex7

6 күн бұрын

@@ghany.3 I’m Jewish, Zionist, Israeli. I was born in Israel, and I wish to live in peace and wish harm on no one. My country’s history is complicated, just like every other country. But the past isn’t as important as the present. I will fight for my people’s freedom and rights like I’ll fight for the Palestinians right to exist. All of us deserve freedom and control on our own destiny. If that’s infuriates you, then the problem is with you friend, not with us.

@ghany.3

6 күн бұрын

@@omriex7 1- I can tell you're a Zionist and Israeli without you telling. So no need. And no, unlike you think, Zionism doesn't mean many things, the best explainer of what Zionism is, is its material manifestation, and this is: the ethnic cleansing of a people and the construction of an ethnic-religious oligarchy that subjugates everyone else (Muslim, Christian, AND Jewish too-just to be clear!!). 2- No you're not fighting for Palestine, you're fighting for a better, more 'humane' (in the mainstream liberal sense) system of subjugation, and what you're doing is as far as it can get from creativity, and it literally existed in the early talks of the Zionist congress talks when your ancestors discussed and planned the subsequent ethnic cleansing of Palestine. 3- Of course you 'wish harm on no one', everyone on Zionism's left and right too said they wished no one harm and furthered their plans and material practice of foreign domination in a very similar 'humanitarist' language (from Netanyahu to Barak, to Rabin, Sharon, and all the way to the terrorist you probably think is the best face of the 'better Zionism': David Grün (also known as 'Ben Gurion' to paint a fake connection with a land to which he had no connection).

Tlasohkamati, Gracias, Thank you for this audio on a seminal book by Edward Said... I have donated to PCRF and UNRWA y donare nuevamente pronto ... Palestina sera libre!

A very pertinent text to cover right now. I just recently picked it up and have been preparing lectures on it myself, so thanks for the added nudge regarding its timeliness. Wonderful thoughts!

@ilyassbouioitlan7701

Ай бұрын

I have checked your content and I found it quite invaluable. Subscribed

@gavinyoung-philosophy

Ай бұрын

@@ilyassbouioitlan7701 Preciate ya!

Thanks David, it moved me very much

Great! Edward Said is amazing and linking the resources is necessary.

Thank you for everything. That’s why I’m a subscriber.

Have you thought of doing a podcast on Just War? Especially on Jus Ad Bellum vs Jus In bello? This is precisely what is being conflated in the « conflict » where the states in power fight in a just (ie correct) way as opposed to the oppressed groups not fighting « correctly ». The dominant groups, as history shows, will always focus on the good way to fight (jus in bello) without having a rational critical view on the reasons of fighting (ad bellum). If you have already done an episode on that, please let me know as I would be interested in listening to it. Thank you for your work.

@toddbutler3155

2 ай бұрын

Would love to hear David’s exposition of Paul Ramsey’s _The Just War_. It kicked my butt in grad school

Thank you for taking a stand on the matter. 1: Edward is a must in studying Orientalism and the Middle East. 2: anyone sharing content in philosophy (eg you) and not taking a stand on Israel is supporting a status quo.

Thanks you for doing this work and speaking about this important topic. I agree with most and maybe all of what you say and also find myself annoyed by the tone. I think it is because the don’t like feeling lectured and told repeatedly “I’m just a rationalist.” I do get feeling exasperated and grief stricken. Still, as a podcaster I would say you have a responsibility to engage people in a way the reaches their hearts and doesn’t simply expose them to your own judgement and exasperation. Whatever it takes to learn to speak from that place of heart and love even while being grief stricken has to be the goal. Otherwise is it just preaching to the choir of other exasperated folk? I’ve leaned from your podcast and hope others will too; that’s why I make this particular critique!

Listened to the podcast. You are right of course and I get the emotional rawness of this episode. Looking forward to getting mote into the text. Have not read Said before, clearly an important thinker and never more so. What stood out for me was the thing about civilians, as I have been realising that Israel does not seem to think there are any Palestinian civilians. Thanks for your thoughts and analysis.

@ilyassbouioitlan7701

Ай бұрын

Some extremists, of course, have gone to the extent of taking all civilians in gaza accountable for what happened on October the 7th.

Really appreciate your efforts to educate people. It is so sad seeing that even in this day and age people are chosing to suppor or stay silent in the face of genocide. FREE PALESTINS 🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸

Nice I like it, you are funny also. enjoyably to watch

You can condemn the attack by Hamas without condemning Hamas itself. It's not Hamas' fault that Palestinians have been robbed of their land, homes, killed, humiliated, starved, tortured, imprisoned etc. These people are facing extinction/ethnic cleansing, their response has to be violent, they have no choice. If you want to blame someone for 7/10, that would be Israel for violently oppressing, colonizing and starving Palestinians. Any liberation struggle of any group of people has to be violent, there is no other way to succeed, it's never a matter of reasoning and dialogue. To say it in other words, we should condemn the killing of unarmed civilians, but it simply is Israel's fault. The brutal oppression and occupation makes Palestinians resort in extreme acts of violence, because they are out options to get their lives back, they are desperate, and this desperation is caused by the state of Israel.

Just a factual comment, you said there is no Hamas in the Westbank, I think it would be more correct to say that they are not in power in the Westbank, or small there, or whatever the situation is, to say they do not exist there is not true. Heard this from more people. Not in power is not the same as do not exist.

@elledeq

2 ай бұрын

Otherwise, your sentiment of horror is felt by me too. The injustice is hard to fathom.

I really liked this and the way you said this. It was very down to earth and also deeply emotional, which i think it should be. I could really see the inherent unfairness in the situation in this well. I will try and watch your totalitarianism video with Hannah Arendt next.

Dear, this is a good start to educate yourself and try to educate those around you. However, you should consider, still, how Eurocentric and bound by colonial epistemology your approach is. This is very clear in the sources you use in all the recent Palestine-related videos (even if you use Edward Said, but that's one source only), it is also clear every time you struggle to say 'Palestine' (and just say 'the palestinians', 'the palestinian territories'..etc), and it is also clear because of the MERE FACT that you THINK it is needed to mention the 7th of Oct. attack, let alone state clearly your political stance on it... only when you're more decolonised (not fully decolonised) you will see that things like these would've come out differently in this (or the other Palestine-related) video(s).

Thank you for this episode; I'm looking forward hearing the next chapter! I think your personal and emotional form of presentation stands in the way of letting this classic text speak for itself. I agree on most of your points, but was irritated that it takes you three quarters of the episode to get into that text.

Free palestine 🍉

An old lawyer told me once to write my letter and leave it on the edge of my desk when I went home, and if it wasn’t burnt to cinders when I came in the next morning, I could mail it. Just because an emotion is morally justified doesn’t tell you how effective it will be expressing it. But to answer your question, the Israeli practice of “mowing the grass” is the moral equivalent of nerve gas, so yes, Israeli conduct of its defense has historically crossed condemnable lines, ugly lines, and it has done so too often. Suspect a little historical back-self-patting, but “Masters of Air” portrayed US Bomber Command as precision targeting to the point of self-sacrifice. The IDF should consider the example. It’s what we expect from our military, and from the military forces of our allies. The probability of collateral damage is there, always, even if you’re so good you can pick your target off his back porch, but I don’t know how you explain 30,000 dead civilians other than bestial savagery.

Thank you for standing up for what’s right. I’ve been a fierce opponents of the state of Israel for decades and I am so glad to see the tides changing. I hope that it continues. I do not think Israel has a right to exist, long live Palestine.

@omriex7

2 ай бұрын

If you don’t think Israel has a right to exist, you’re denying all Israelis the right of living safely and independently - the same right all Palestinians deserve.

@omriex7

2 ай бұрын

If you don’t think Israel has a right to exist, you’re denying all Israelis the right of living safely and independently - the same right all Palestinians deserve.

@PNWOutdoorAdventures

2 ай бұрын

@@omriex7 Israelis only exist due to the oppression, subjugation, displacement and murder of Palestinians.

@PNWOutdoorAdventures

2 ай бұрын

@@omriex7 Israelis only exist due to the subjugation, murder and displacement of Palestinians.

@ilyassbouioitlan7701

Ай бұрын

As a fierce opponent of the israeli apartheid system, I believe that one needs to be more realistic and rational in acknowledging the right of innocent israelis to exist and have their own state, which they have. Innocents exist on both sides and acknowledging this is the first step in true coexistence.

......Oy Vey ______ another low slow monotonous rant from the basement of > Norman / Noam < pseudo pontificating .......

Occupation of a country that never existed. Way to go! Read the Old Testament. The land was given to the Jews. Period. Glad I could help.

@haydenpaulaldag4078

2 ай бұрын

ew gross this one has worms

@polarispyxis3136

Ай бұрын

Ah, using religious texts to justify ethnic cleansing and occupation. That’s totally not completely insane and absurd. Well done on your strong, rational argument 👏🏼

@ilyassbouioitlan7701

Ай бұрын

Well, most israelis now claim that Palestinians who have been exiled and deported in 1948 do not have the right of return. Saying this and following it up with a statement such as that the palestinian land was the land of the jewish people more than 3000 years ago seems quite inconsistent.

You dont know the first thing about what is going on in Israel. Have you ever been there? Your understanding is shallow and biased.

@polarispyxis3136

Ай бұрын

By that logic, you don’t know the first thing about what’s going on in Gaza. Have you ever been there? Your understanding is shallow and biased.