The little girl Maya was well cast. She really looked like the adult Maya.

@dellytancyl524

5 ай бұрын

I believe the young Maya is Alaqua's cousin in real life - so there is family resemble

@aco420

5 ай бұрын

They're actually related (second cousins).

@SuperUSAgent

5 ай бұрын

twas her "real life" cousin

Well said Grace. These properties need people who like and value the comics. Not like that guy who didn't even read Secret Invasion.

@marwynthemasterful6369

5 ай бұрын

Strange 2 guy didn’t watch Wanda. If they can’t be bothered to, why should I?

@TheJackedOLantern

5 ай бұрын

I remember one of the people in Marvel Studios tasked in getting the writers and directors, etc, stated that they specifically will not choose and hire any Marvel and comicbook fans. Which is such a weird way of thinking to say the least.

@ThePrinceofHisOwnKingdom

5 ай бұрын

JJ Abrams is a Star Wars fanboy. Tony Gilroy didn't care much for it.

@rode8927

5 ай бұрын

@@marwynthemasterful6369 He didn't watch the show because they were filming it as he was writing Doctor Strange 2. Lizzy said herself that right after Wandavision, she had to start filming Doctor Strange 2, which meant the script was already written before the show even went in post.

@nailinthefashion

5 ай бұрын

​@@marwynthemasterful6369the ending of WandaVision directly leads into the next scene where Wanda appears. She locks Agatha back in a hex and reads the Darkhold despite her warnings lmfao

My gut feeling is that the creative team isn't being held to the necessary standards of quality. Not just in this show, but more broadly in the MCU. Creatives are making choices that clearly don't work, but where's the push back?

@kbg12ila

5 ай бұрын

Exactly! It really feels like there no quality control in the MCU anymore.

@griffgames9538

5 ай бұрын

You need people like Benson & Moorhead who inherently understand good writing and storytelling, and know how to extract great performances and present it with style.

@sarcasmxkate

5 ай бұрын

I actually feel the opposite. It feels more like Marvel not trusting the creative teams they hire and then too much interference hinders the final product. They're doing a Rise of Skywalker and overcorrecting everything when they should be more trusting and collaborative rather than random hires and then too much restriction.

@nailinthefashion

5 ай бұрын

"Clearly don't work" to you?? To the puritanical Christians needing the Bible followed without any updates even from Choctaw people themselves lmfao

@Chibbery05

5 ай бұрын

​@sarcasmxkate to be fair they have been doing things like that since phase one, it's just Endgame was such an accomplishment that people expect everything they make from now on to be on that level, the MCU has always been a roller coaster ride of quality and creativity it's just more noticeable now because instead of having about 20 projects in 10 years, they pushed out about 20 projects in a little more than 2 years

i liked the show overall, but the final "fight" was so awkward, and her new powers are pretty boring imo

@budgiecat9039

5 ай бұрын

It's like some weird mesh of Penance Stare and Cloak's ability

@nailinthefashion

5 ай бұрын

Her comic version is much more bland to me, mimicry isn't cool if you can't do anything supernatural (unless you can)

I don't think Echo knew the interpreter was murdered... It happened off screen and we could only hear it. Since she's deaf, she wouldn't have known.

@simpleplanfan011

5 ай бұрын

She definitely didn’t know. It happened around the corner and I assume the laid down the tarp after they sat down at the table, so she didn’t see that either.

@ConverseSC

5 ай бұрын

Guys, the entire scene was about Kingpin showing her what is necessary in his business. He killed her there partly for Echo’s benefit, otherwise she could’ve just done it another time.

The Macgyver skills came from her grandfather who was shown to be really skilled at tinkering

@TheGrayAlien

5 ай бұрын

Those are inherited? As far as I could tell every power/skill she gained from the past "echoes" were from FEMALES.

@tenerife_sea

5 ай бұрын

no only the women had the powers of generational Echo, no men from her ancestry ever had the echo

@SuperBubbles24

5 ай бұрын

@@tenerife_sea yeah it’s not a power, it’s just a skill she picked up from her grandfather…nothing mystical just learning.

@buciallstar

5 ай бұрын

I mean you could explain it like that, but she saw him last 20 years ago when she was like 8. And it wasn't established that she tinkered on the side as a hobby.

I felt a lot things didn't work like the ancestors and Echo's overall arc. What worked were the John Wick style action scenes, Kingpin, and the beautiful quiet, almost slice of life atmosphere of a small rural town.

@marvelprince

5 ай бұрын

It really could’ve been special if they just respected the character they were working on instead of trying to change her

@je2409

5 ай бұрын

I couldn’t agree more

@cain1314

5 ай бұрын

You sure you weren't watching John Wick? I didn't get that from the action scenes.

@JamesJiansen

5 ай бұрын

@@cain1314 You sure you watched the show? The Daredevil and skate rink fights were obviously John Wick inspired.

MCU continues to hire people that do not love or know the characters and ignore the source material. 😢

I think it's sad that Marvel and the MCU has got into such a state that I'd rather spend time watching the entire spoiler review than engaging with the series itself. You've saved me a few hours time investment into Echo. Thanks Grace.

@elmegav0782

5 ай бұрын

Same here

@matthewlafleur3791

5 ай бұрын

Same

@user-ib2xl1gy4e

5 ай бұрын

Same

@everburn

5 ай бұрын

Same

@neonmongoose1036

5 ай бұрын

Same

Secret invasion was absolutely horrible! You really could not make that show any worse if you tried. I really want to know how Secret Invasion was such a huge fail. Who’s fault was it?

@kmphemp

5 ай бұрын

*whose

@nailinthefashion

5 ай бұрын

They didn't have a showrunner for a long time and then just plopped it on whoever was willing (they never read the original run) so it was a perfect storm. They made the show off of producer's notes like "start the skrull war, set up Dorrek 8" but that's it. Didn't ever see the iconic imagery like Elektra Skrull laying on a table

@mk6rfc1

5 ай бұрын

Feige’s

A strong supporting character is much better than a poor leading character.

@kellytibbs3815

5 ай бұрын

Well said !

Lord that finale was weak as hell, it really peaked at episode 3

@spinningbackkick6021

5 ай бұрын

Bull crap. That ending was deeper than you think. You people just want punchy punchy. That ending was amazing.

@Ivanlois383

5 ай бұрын

@@spinningbackkick6021and who exactly is “you people” sir? Please elaborate

@twincast2005

5 ай бұрын

​@@spinningbackkick6021Two women with no combat training, one of them geriatric, suddenly beating up professional hired killers with badass moves because magical native powers, plus Maya suddenly going "let me heal your childhood trauma and let you go" on the man who had her father killed, had groomed her to become a murderer, and almost killed the rest of her family out of wounded pride because she still/again loved her abuser like an uncle... Yes, totally deep.

@spinningbackkick6021

5 ай бұрын

@@Ivanlois383 Complainers.. At least you actually watched it to form your opinion..

@spinningbackkick6021

5 ай бұрын

@@twincast2005 Yes. It was good.. Just because you didn't like it doesn't make it meaningless..

4:54 Echos costume in the comics is both modern and a touch of her native American roots. The problem with the mcu suit is that they changed echos native American tribe in favor of other. Removing the iconic feather look which belonged to another tribe.

@5pid3rman80

5 ай бұрын

Yeah, I saw the suit and was like, "Yeesh, hard pass! Keep the motorcycle jacket!"

@Cuzane

5 ай бұрын

Yeah the suit was a downgrade.. the leg was cool..

@lizOnar

5 ай бұрын

@@Cuzane True and the powers does not align with who echo is and I'm curious on how adding the supernatural powers will help echo as a street level hero with no supernatural enemies.

@Cuzane

5 ай бұрын

@@lizOnar I think you and grace are right. She might just get shelved because it doesn't match.. maybe they bring Taskmaster?

The final episode fight was really short af, it needed more action.

I agree: “Kahhori is a lead. Echo is a supporting character.” I like Kahhori more, but I do really like Maya as well. They just need to give her more to do. And Episode 4 was my favorite of this series. Chula, Maya’s grandmother, was my favorite character.

I think the "MacGuyvery" comes from her Grandfather who fixed and rebuilt her leg using scraps around his shop.

REMEBER when grace said this was a back door daredevil show😭😭🧢

I got to see the first two episodes last night at a screener followed by a Q&A with Alaqua Cox and Chaske Spencer!

@ytsm

5 ай бұрын

Sorry to hear that. Thoughts and prayers!

To answer your question regarding connecting the two characters: Maya is Choctaw, while the other is Mohawk; would you do this with, say, an Italian and Irish character?

@buciallstar

5 ай бұрын

I don't see this as an issue in pre production. Of course now it's too late as they are different tribes, but Kahhori is a fully original character that didn't exist before the what if episodes. If the respective show runners would have compared notes at the production phase, they would have seen, that they work in similar projects and could have connected them. I mean the actress who plays Bonnie is the voice actress of Kahhori, so it's even more baffling they didn't think of combining the bloodlines

@SCTVTulsa

5 ай бұрын

I really appreciate the MCU making a statement about how Native Americans have many different tribes. They don't all need to be lumped up as a single identity for the sake of the audiences ignorance. They are many peoples and have many different stories. I love Grace but she does argue for ethnic backgrounds to be recognized in other circumstances. This is no different than that. Just because they're both Native Superheroes does NOT mean they need to be the same.

@safirestudio

5 ай бұрын

​@SCTVTulsa I love showing different tribes. Story wise, I feel it would have made sense to connect them because their power looks so similar. It would've been a great Easter egg for those who watched both shows. And maybe even entice some people to go back and watch the show if they missed it.

@ioefhsof25913

5 ай бұрын

yes, and it's actually done all the time, religion practices in particular are always all over the place, and usually very much chosen ad hoc to fit the narative, the same thing with a lot of other customs, the witcher completly ignored it's polish roots for example. Amazon primes rings of power completely ignored the fact the creator gave specific etchnicities to different groups. Disney is constantly ignoring it's own storylines, Snow White being the current example where the original story was made by white europeans with very specific skin complexion and Disney just changed it to whatever it wanted.

Charlie cox was in here for like 30 seconds. What a tease.

Don't forget that the actress who played her cousin is the same actress who voiced Kahhori. She is a native Canadian (Mohawk) born south of Montreal.

@buciallstar

5 ай бұрын

Even stranger that they didn't find a way to connect the stories.

Making Kahhori related to Echo makes no sense when they’re not even from the same universe nor the same tribe. Two Indigenous characters don’t need to be related to each other.

More vandalism by hacktivists. Such a shame

The first X-Men movie didn't go by the comic book either and I was irritated. I became friends with it finally. But you're right the mcu was so popular in part by its connectivity so some of the creatives leaving that connectivity and source material behind is bizarre.

@nailinthefashion

5 ай бұрын

But not every character interacted with incursions in the comics before one happened either like ... Squirrel Girl was just eating nuts ..

You are right, it maybe would've helped if Marvel had the foresight to develope Kahhori as a Choctaw instead of Mohawk to conncet her with Echo. But in the end it's a nice thing that Marvel gives representation to different native american communities. X-Men comics so far have offered the best native american representation with the Proudstars as members of the Apache tribe and Danielle Moonstar and Forge as Cheyennes.

@omarscarborough4274

5 ай бұрын

Wyatt Wingfoot.

Kevin needs to find his back born and start saying no to the people he hires and hire better people whilst he's at it

If I was someone who read the comics version of Echo, maybe I would feel different. I can even understand how those fans might feel about the changes. But since I'm not, I came to the character open minded and the show worked for me. Loved the fights, and the family connection, really looking forward to seeing Echo in the MCU and her dynamic with Daredevil. Also didn't watch What if, so it was a fun experience for me that didn't come with the constant comparing of the two characters.

@MrNathansdad

5 ай бұрын

​@@verazollinger6862yeah, we're gonna disagree, I think this is a very solid, well done show. Are the fights as good as some in the Netflix show? No. Do the ten seconds of bad fighting ruin the show for me? Absolutely not. I can see where the show was changed from something campy to something darker.

@brendanalexcurran3429

5 ай бұрын

I liked the show as well i didn’t read comics and loved their take on it

@ConnorStompanato

5 ай бұрын

i really enjoyed it too as someone who hasnt read the comics and skipped whats if season two. maybe that is the magic formula lol.

@nailinthefashion

5 ай бұрын

Nah some people are just really narrow minded and expect a very specific, generic adaptation without a single change. I've been a comic fan for decades now but am way more open to multiple instances of a character existing.

@LooksByNaheemah

5 ай бұрын

Literally same. I feel like the people who read the comments and just need to get over the fact that Marvel has been making changes from the comics to the MCU. This is a known fact at this point just roll with it.

Kahhori is Mohawk and Echo is Choctaw, so no they should not be related, by that logic let's make sure every white character in the MCU is related, even though they come from different regions and cultures, and lets make every latino character Mexican because god forbid the minorities have different backgrounds

@simpleplanfan011

5 ай бұрын

Thank you so much for saying this. People are being very ignorant with this take just because they’re both Native American. It shows me that they’re watching these shows but are not actually paying attention.

@kingchaos6050

5 ай бұрын

No matter how you interpret it, this show sucked! They should’ve just stuck to the books!

@fahimalfaisal7781

5 ай бұрын

@@kingchaos6050nice try

@buciallstar

5 ай бұрын

I would have connected them in pre production already and make them both originally from the same tribe for the synergy. But now it's too late because the district tribes are established. And that's what what Grace meant as well, when she said to have them from the same tribe. But I'm also fine with presenting different tribes.

Most D+ shows end with a wardrobe change 😂. This is getting ridiculous

I completely agree with you Grace in this review. Echo was a very cool and stablish character in the comics, a badass, this seems like two different stories mesh together, and I don't see the need to change her this drastically, not all the characters in the MCU need mystic or glowing powers, Daredevil is an amazing example where subtlety with the extra abilities make a very human an compelling character.

@dmp1571

5 ай бұрын

I feel like people have rose-colored glasses when it comes to Daredevil. Daredevil had the same amount of mysticism as Echo did, and expanding further to that corner of Netflix MCU, Luke having impenetrable skin, Jessica's portayal of super-strength, and Iron-Fists glowing powers, it's all the same as Echo. Echo was great, just like Daredevil was.

@PaballoKobe-xh9ve

5 ай бұрын

Echo is a side character she never caught on. Its so weird people are pretending like she was this widely amazing character when in 2010 post bendis daredevil and new avengets no one knew she existed

@nailinthefashion

5 ай бұрын

Of course it seems like two stories meshed together, the whole theme of her story is two stories creating disharmony in her own life! Like, wow, I can't believe good writing is wasted on y'all

@ventanaestudiocreativo4694

5 ай бұрын

@@nailinthefashion I understand the premise, but I really don't consider that was good writing, but this is subjective, if you like it that's ok, the thing is I like a lot the Character of Echo in the comics, and changing it so drastically is what bothered me, and Grace touched exactly the points of why, so I happened to agree with her on this one.

@ventanaestudiocreativo4694

5 ай бұрын

@@dmp1571 yeah but those characters had those backstories already in the comics, at least the mystic ones, that was the context of them with Echo her context was different from this, at least with what the showrunners added because they thought her powers were lame, and for me the character was great already, and most of the critics are agreeing with it. But if you like the show, that's ok with me, all of this is subjective, Daredevil happens to be my favorite Marvel character that's why I like the second characters as well like the comics version of Echo.

Why do they need Iron Man AND War Machine?? Why do they need Steve AND Bucky?? Why do they need Doctor Strange AND Wong?? Why do they need Spider-Man AND Miles AND Gwen AND etc..?? Why do they need Ant-Man AND The Wasp?? Why do they ALL need a villain that mirrors their powers exactly?? Oh no we can't have two Indigenous superheroes at the same time that slightly resemble each other in a minor way. "Why can't Kohhori just be her ancestor??" They're from two totally different tribes. Did you really just see two Indigenous women and think they are the same? How many hero's origins are just "my parents/uncle died and now I'm a hero?" Why is multiple things being similar suddenly an issue?

@kumceis

5 ай бұрын

YES!!!!! !!!! !!! !! !

@nailinthefashion

5 ай бұрын

🥂💐

Watching this made me realize I was too harsh on iron fist.

@5pid3rman80

5 ай бұрын

😂😂😂

@alexnclips6790

5 ай бұрын

😅

I didn’t think I had to say this, but I feel like someone needs to let Grace know that not all Native Americans are from the same tribe, or the same at all

There are major flaws in your argument about why did they introduce Echo and Kahori around similar times? First you’re coming from the perspective of there’s only one Native American culture which there is not. Also, the vast majority people aren’t watching. What if let’s be honest, more people watch Echo.

I think there’s room for two Native American characters whose culture is a large part of their identities in the MCU.

I don’t know how the indigenous elements to the story DON’T tie directly into crime arc posed. I agree that maybe they could have been a little more comic accurate, but I overall really enjoyed the Choctaw perspective. It also felt very different to me than Kahhori

Why does the MCU drastically change the female characters' origins more than the male? It's very distracting from a comic book fan perspective. I get Scarlet Witch needing to be changed b/c Marvel didn't have the rights to the mutants at the time the character was brought into the MCU, but the others are rarely true to the source material. I personally think Daredevil has the dumbest origin story; however, his is faithfully adapted; however, She-Hulk, Echo, Captain Marvel, Ms. Marvel, and Elektra gets a full overhaul.

Honestly, to me this was the best show after Wandavision. I was afraid this would be exactly what you described you wanted cuz to me that is boring, so i was not excited at all until the last trailers. I personally like the power change, but i can understand the difference is a lot. I personally like when the shows focus on the characters like this and Moon Knight, instead of just setting up something, idk but i am afraid they wont use her anymore.

@Jeremy-xs4gt

5 ай бұрын

Worth noting i am not a daredevil fan (i plan on watching the show) and the crime/street focused shows arent really my thing, sooo that explains it.

I find it interesting how people were surprised that it wasn’t going to be set in New York. I swear there was some articles coming out like a year ago that were talking about the plot of the show. Or at least I saw it. I saw how it was saying that it’s about her going back to her hometown.

@buciallstar

5 ай бұрын

You can't expect the average person to read all articles about projects. I personally stopped doing that altogether because I realized I get too obsessed about all information and then end up knowing everything before I even see the finished project.

I watched the show without spoilers, without people telling me was good or bad, and in my opinion it was a good show compared to she hulk and secret invasion.

@blackkitty420

5 ай бұрын

Lol what about comparing it to past MCU greats? She hulk and secret invasion can make even a high school level fan made project seem Oscar worthy in comparison.

Hi Grace! I thought maybe I could just sneak listen to you review the 1st two episodes, but I paused this 12 seconds in, after your clear spoiler warning 😅❤

ayo who hasn’t had the Phoenix Force at this point 😭

It's funny Grace has a problem with them changing Echo's powers (and origin partially), but was perfectly fine and happy when they did the same to Ms. Marvel (Kamala Khan). Guess now she can see how we fans felt.

I disagree with having Maya and Kahori being a part of the same bloodline, it gives off the "all black people know each other" vibes, Kahori's story was based in the fountain of youth timeline which is nowhere near Oklahoma, plus the fact that it was two different tribes...its like saying Sam Wilson and Nick Fury should be a part of the same bloodline or saying Steve Rodgers and Peter Parker should be a part of the same bloodline

Echo is far from a hero in the comics ,and on this show she dosen't work with Kingpin any longer. The police 🚔 are still looking for her, with better show runner they could make her more like the punisher,possibly have the two of them work together. The show is ok. They did the best they could with what they had. I sure it could have been worse. Which is why they're redoing daredevil right now. Hopefully marvel learned something from both Echo and the daredevil show we won't be seeing. They did the best they could with Echo, hopefully they can fix daredevil and later do a rework on Echo. It wasn't great but it's wasn't bad either. Looking forward to seeing how daredevil goes.

I know that Maya is upset that some of her family didn’t reach out to her. But her cousin Bonnie reached out to her and she never responded.

She would fight, maybe not Kingpin but anyone else.. The only reason she did not fight Kingpin is that she was trying to save the man that she saw as her uncle and adoptive family member for so long in her life.

@rode8927

5 ай бұрын

I really wished the show would have developed that storyline more. Focusing on her and the Kingpin, the way she viewed him as a mentor/father figure and who later betrayed her by killing her father. I think that would have made it more compelling and emotionally investing.

@nailinthefashion

5 ай бұрын

​@@rode8927she literally thinks of him as more of an uncle and that was like really apparent to me thst she actually wasn't that close or trusting of him, but was still grateful for what he provided, thus showed mercy in the end

I just finished watching and I loveeeed it so much. I literally cried omg

That was a good show, but the last two episodes were just too compacted and too fast. If it was 10 episodes long, it would have been better. The fight scenes were legit af..

Excellent synapse of this show. I was really hoping for the mood and street level brawling Daredevil offered. The cosmic power thing felt like a distraction. The native lore could have been better utilized as inspiration rather than a magic “get out of trouble” card. The last episode was a cheap out. They needed a big fight with King Pin. I felt cheated.

I never read her comic and so I appreciated her character in the show. She had heart and was relatable. I was very impressed with her acting. I didnt realize Hawkeye was her first ever role and that she is really a deaf amputee!! Loved the culture of her people

Hawkeye never mentions anything about the sun

So, again Disneys Story Teams think that representation (on a fantasy-surface-level only, tbh) means a good show instead of coming up with stories, storytelling and then simply injecting characters that have a different background from what we have seen a million times. It’s getting absolutely boring tbh

16:17 yeah, DD was going easy on her. Every time he landed a serious punch or kick, Maya was send fly away almost down from the count 😅 was a solid scene

the problem with Echo's facepaint is that the design is way too close to the Flagsmashers Mask

Echo is Choctaw who were forcefully resettled to Oklahoma and Kahhori is Mohawk from New York/Canada. They are two different tribes and I appreciate Marvel highlighting both cultures.

@buciallstar

5 ай бұрын

Now of course they are different tribes, but in pre-production they could have changed the origins to make them be the same. Especially since Kahhori is a completely original character. That saying it's also fine to represent the different tribes, but me personally I would have preferred the connected universe.

We’re never getting a proper Taskmaster-ish power set in the MCU

I agree they keep hiring these writers and directors who arent comic book fans and have an ego and hubris to think they can reinvent the wheel and insert things that dont need to be inserted. Like Namor. He didn't need to be changed either

As primarily an overall MCU fan, I liked that Echo wasn’t made to be the same as Taskmaster. I like the kind of Avatar the Last Airbender idea that each descendant has more teachers, and therefore more powers to choose from. I just wanted to see her learn to master each power, and then figure out how to utilize them strategically in a fight. And I wasn’t sure what power Maya herself added to the mix, if that’s how it works.

@tokekage2150

5 ай бұрын

As another mcu fan I can assure you no one cares about either echo or taskmaster now

😮 Kind of glad that Kahori and Echo aren't related, even w/ the similar power look. Too often poc characters are written to be blood related in the same universe or one character is given prominence and acts as representation for everyone that looks like them. Kudos for them not taking that path imo.

@greygorygaming

5 ай бұрын

Yeah but now you give all the minority characters the same powers like black people only getting movie roles about slavery and discrimination. You're missing variety.

I enjoyed Kingpin and the skate ring part where she fought every one, but that was it

Another issue is that they NEVER EXPLAIN HOW KINGPIN SURVIVED BEING SHOT IN THE FACE at point blank range.

@Ne0Nights

5 ай бұрын

What’s to explain? People in real life can survive bullets to the head

@bfgboy2

5 ай бұрын

​@Ne0Nights uhm...i get that you really like this show, but you do know most people in REAL LIFE would still ask those same questions if they found a person who survived a gunshot to the face?! That's not something most normal people would the blase about!😂

@kmphemp

5 ай бұрын

@@Ne0Nightsare… are you serious? stop defending this mid show

@Ne0Nights

5 ай бұрын

@@kmphemp why are you so mad? Bc someone likes something you don’t? Sounds like insecurity

@kmphemp

5 ай бұрын

@@Ne0Nights no one’s mad here. it’s just weird how much bootlicking you do for Disney and MCU

Grace, you are always very thoughtful in your reviews. It's refreshing!

Alpha Flight has always had a Native American superhero Well before modern day And another one who is gay (and always has been, no retcon needed) But no, nothing before Sana Amanat's tenure exists Edit: Should have just done a Daredevil show with her having a major subplot over a few episodes, kept comics accurate Save the mystic stuff for other characters Maybe hint at Alpha Flight ( the original one )

Anyone else thought the intro credits were just a 007 imitation?

Grace, great discussion, as always. I agree with what you said here. I was delighted at the actor from the Maverick film playing the Native American con man again, though I was confused as to whether he was or wasn't Echo's biological grandfather and I don't know why they muddied that for the audience. Kingpin was my favorite part of the show. He should have his own show. Maybe they will bring back Echo similarly to how Nick Fury was just different from Secret Invasion to The Marvels. Who knows?

I feel like Marvel shouldn't have let go of their 'Special Presentations' and all their upcoming 'Marvel Spotlight' shows should just be special presentations. This 5 episode show could have been condensed into an hour long special, focusing simply on the Kingpin / New York side of Echo's life, tying directly into the Daredevil show where she'd be a major side-character!!

I would think the reason why they aren't in the same bloodline, is that they arent even from the same people. Kahhoori is supposed to be Mohawk and from the new show Echo is obviously now Choctow. If anything Echo undercut itself as well as the idea of a Native American hero by making the most pandering MCU version(if you disagree look how they changed her costume). Kahhoori on the other hand, could've been in a movie imo. She's maybe a copy of Pocahontas to Grace, but she's just Captain Marvel with a story worth actually telling in my opinion.

The "misleading" Daredevil marketing and the tacked on MA rating will backfire. People don't like being bluffed (repeatedly). Future marketing efforts will lose a lot of impact.

Grace, at 1917 of this video, i saw that and thought that was Kahori from the Whatif tv show, and they were showing us that she was Echo's ancestor

I agree with a lot of what you said, the thing I think they didn't make Kahhori a part of her line, because it seems Maya can only link with her ancestors who have died and moved on. Making me think Kahhori is still alive so to speak, so she can't connect to her the same way and pull up those memories/powers. Thats my best guess, because I do agree, linking her and Kahhori would've been such a huge boon.

Yes, when I saw the water I thought of Kohhorti, but instantly came to my mind that each of them are from different tribes.

@rafenix84

5 ай бұрын

Also. The 2030 agenda is weighing a lot in Disney these days, so representation and active feminism is a must ordered from the real owners of the company (ies).

28:50 idk why, but I want that on a T-shirt haha

Supposedly they cut about 3 episodes from the original plan of the the season and I think it shows in certain areas. The progression of certain plots feels very rushed and unsatisfying. The main ancestor who first drinks the water is an actress who does a lot stuff on TV and I think there was at least a bigger focus on that character originally. Also, the stuff that occurred with Fisk after he returns to meet Maya felt incomplete in certain areas. I think there was likely a chunk of material there where he goes back to NYC before confronting her at the end.

Echo was wonderful. A great first attempt at the spotlight brand, might not have struck the landing but it’s a great concept and the first episode HOOKED me

@budgiecat9039

5 ай бұрын

Zzzzz

As someone from Oklahoma, it makes me so happy seeing my home state represented in movies and tv so much lately. I just wish that the would focus on the urban areas too lol its not all rural like that.

24:27 and the episode 3 action scene in the Skate place, was really great

Thank you this review ❤

Hey, I am thinking of watching Echo but does kingpin yell a lot I’m not a big fan of Vincents yell. is there a lot of yelling in general? thank you I would appreciate any feedback.

“Make America Skate Again” 😂

@laverdadescatolica5

5 ай бұрын

Nothing wrong with that 😊

This Echo show is basically a ‘Killing the Echo character show’ I can’t believe Marvel keeps making these mistakes over and over again.

only issue with connecting it to kahori is kahhori only had her powers because she lives in a world where the Tesseract landed in the past

“Why didn’t she use her power to save her dad” Cuz she didn’t unlock it yet. Cmon lmao

0:35 just watched the 5 episodes and i did not understand that much out of Kingpin. For me, he was the best think of the show, everything else was mid to...

Had high hopes for this show and thought it was gonna be a return to the Daredevil / Punisher gritty action and storytelling style. And the writing itself just seemed all over the place. After episode 1 there was no point of this being 'Echo' from Marvel. Compared to what they showed in the trailer, this show was a let down.

Grace '6' episodes..u said 6 am i missing one as Disney only gave me '5' on the app..is there another one coming????

If Maya Lopez only has 'powers (healing, strength) on her homeland, then that can work. You can have her ancestral skills (accuracy, fighting) passively in effect for her.

Grace I think you’re spot on with this review, there’s a lot to like and some excellent moments but such a disappointing fumble at the end. Alaqua Cox did an excellent job, Echo and Kingpin and Daredevil were great, but some of the writing and creative choices at the end were bizarre.

Maybe the daredevil vs echo fight was a rehearsal since not a single punch or kick landed. When you showed the 3 shots of daredevil flipping over the fence I wish you did 2-3 frames later to see how he misses kicking the shotgun by 5 feet but she dropped it anyways lol

I love that opening theme song. Secret Invasion was ear candy too, they're on a roll 🙂

I thoroughly enjoyed this show. I will also say I, too, agree that the creatives should not have strayed from the comics in terms of her abilities to copy a person’s movements. As far as connectivity with Kahorri, that’s a bit more complicated: for one, Kahorri’s tribe was Mohawk and Echo is part of the Choctaw community. And two, Kahorri is a multiverse character. Her character is in a whole other universe. The MCU has struggled in my opinion, to make the multiverse phase work. They were really only able to do that sort of thing Doctor Strange 2, where you could pluck different characters from different worlds.

@christianvandom

5 ай бұрын

She proposed that idea because there are visuals that reminds us of Kahhori and it would've helped both characters if Kahhori had been developed as a Choktaw instead to connect with Echo.

I sat for five episodes waiting to get comic book accurate Echo only to get this new version 😫 and am just like sheeesh Marvel has struck again! At this point respect the comics or don’t introduce the characters at all!

Why are representation hires always women?? Why can’t they bring someone like Red Wolf to screen. Does anyone not see this?

I hearken back to your ongoing point about representation in Hollywood. Make good tv/cinema and include natural diversity. Cramming x group into y story then worrying about quality is bad...doing it when you have decades of comics to draw from is inexcusable.

I loved seeing so many of the actors from Twilight movies in this! ☺️❤

I'm curious if Echo was targeted for a release in November, originally. Not releasing this series during Native American Heritage Month seems like a huge miss!

Honestly, I think the show was overall watchable (except for an garbage final episode) with some interesting concepts and unique ideas and 1,5 good fight scenes and decent performances

After I finished the show I had to go watched that last episode of Daredevil with Daredevil vs Kingpin vs Bullseye

25:18 his granpa was the guy with the skill to make stuff

Hi Grace, I completely agree with you. I believe Echo can hold her own without supernatural powers. In fact, despite her disabilities, she can fight eloquently well, which is why her character stood out to me. I found it very disappointing including a supernatural element to her story arc. However, overall, my favorite scenes were with Kingpin, Daredevil, and her reconciling with her family.