Oriental Orthodox does not adhere to Monophysitism, we believe Miaphysitism

@CatechesisVids

4 ай бұрын

The Oxford dictionary of Christianity contests this categorization, which is what I went with for this video. Regardless, both are heretical understandings.

@garabedfakrajian5149

3 ай бұрын

​@CatechesisVids your actions are heretical because you are intentionally/negligently misusing terminologies which create further division amongst brothers in Christ.

@DarthMarr2009

3 ай бұрын

What is the justification for your church of the doctrine? Genuinely curious.

@lyndonalms8664

2 ай бұрын

@@CatechesisVids your church disagrees with you. That have agreed that miaphysitism is compatible with their view of Christology. Not that it needs to be

@chaseyung1037

2 ай бұрын

Why do you believe in debterra voodoo witch doctors in your church?

Neither are “offshoots” of the Catholic Church.

@CatechesisVids

6 ай бұрын

Catholicism is the fullness of the Christian religion, and those who do not gather around Christ and his vicar on earth, the Pope, are scattered into many sects of diminished ability to image Christ.

@LavaDrink

6 ай бұрын

​@@CatechesisVids100% true. Thank you

@SgtPiper

5 ай бұрын

100% false lol​@@LavaDrink

@marvalice3455

5 ай бұрын

​@@nathankirwan2565you misunderstand the claim. The claim is not "nobody schisms from the Catholic Church" the claim is "all schism is away from the Catholic Church". You pointing out that there are later schisms after the second millennium is not an argument against this.

@marvalice3455

5 ай бұрын

@@nathankirwan2565 there is no valid cause for schism. That's how sin works. If it's valid than it's not a sin. But schism is a sin by nature, so schism is never valid.

You are wrong. The Oriental orthodoxy does not believe in the Monophiatysm. They believe in Miaphiatysm. Both are different. Monophiatysm says Christ has one nature. Miaphiatysm says Christ has 2 natures but it fuses together in Christ

@CatechesisVids

5 ай бұрын

Mia and mono are both heretical.

@pedo_muhammad

5 ай бұрын

@@CatechesisVids Mia is not heretical. Even the Catholic Church has said Miaphysitism is not heretical. So who are you to say this ? Both Dyophysitism and Miaphysitism say Christ has two natures. The only difference is Dyophysitism says The two natures doesn't mix together, rather coexist simultaneously in Jesus Christ. Miaphysitism says the two natures are in union in Jesus Christ. These two natures Unite and become inseparable. The Catholic Church never ever said Miaphysitism is a Hersey, rather the official statement of the Church is this christology is diverse and not heretical. Same goes with oriental church stand on Dyophysitism. So who are you to say this is heretical?

@cyrilkamal

2 ай бұрын

@@pedo_muhammad radio silence

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@CatechesisVids

7 ай бұрын

Thank you so much!

They are not “offshoots of the Catholic Church

@CatechesisVids

3 ай бұрын

The Catholic Church is the full expression of the singular Christianity founded by Christ, and other religious traditions participate in a limited sense in this Christianity. It is appropriate to speak of Orthodoxy as an offshoot, because they departed from the authentic Magisterium.

@lyndonalms8664

3 ай бұрын

@@CatechesisVids false. Study your church history. The Coptic church was established in Alexandria by the Apostle Mark. The Oriental churches split in the 5th century from the rest of the church. Then the East and west split in the 11th century. The Coptic church is the purest, undefiled and full expression of the faith. Rome has proven time and again that she is (though a valid church), wholly corrupt and has been simply making stuff up since the decades leading up to the great schism. No signs of the ship righting herself. Sad reality

@louditalian1962

Ай бұрын

@@CatechesisVidsThere was one united Church. Catholic beliefs took a hold after the schism and put all faith on man instead of god. Aka the Pope.

Aren't the Oriental Orthodox Miaphysite?

@CatechesisVids

7 ай бұрын

The Oxford dictionary of Christianity described them as monophysites rather than mia, but both are heretical simplifications of the true chalcedonian definition. Without a clear governing body in the Church (and with so many years since the split) there are likely a variety of positions.

@carlose4314

7 ай бұрын

@@CatechesisVids I think some of their autocephalies have female deacons.

@CatechesisVids

7 ай бұрын

Any theology which asserts that Christ is not one person with two natures is heretical, and the Orientals do not accept this definition. This has prevented them from rejoining the Easterns as one sect.

@kiroshakir7935

7 ай бұрын

​​@@CatechesisVids you are right Cyril is a heretic This objection is yet another attack on those who say that there is one incarnate nature of the Son. They want to show that the idea is foolish and so they keep on arguing at every turn that two natures endured. They have forgotten, however, that it is only those things that are usually distinguished at more than a merely theoretical level which split apart from one another in differentiated separateness and radical distinction. Let us once more take the example of an ordinary man. We recognize two natures in him; for there is one nature of the soul and another of the body, but we divide them only at a theoretical level, and by subtle speculation, or rather we accept the distinction only in our mental intuitions, and we do not set the natures apart nor do we grant that they have a radical separateness, but we understand them to belong to one man. This is why the two are no longer two, but through both of them the one living creature is rendered complete." - St Cyril, Second Letter to Succensus "But being made one in nature, and not converted into flesh, he made his indwelling in such a way, as we may say that the soul of man does in his own body. Neither do we understand the manner of conjunction to be apposition, for this does not suffice for natural oneness (πρὸς ἕνωσον φυσικήν)." - St Cyril, Third Letter to Nestorius They also said the following: ‘If there is one incarnate nature of the Word then it absolutely follows that there must have been a mixture and confusion, with the human nature in him being diminished or ‘stolen away’ as it were.' Once again those who twist the truth are unaware that in fact there is but one incarnate nature of the Word." St Cyril, Second Letter to Succensus St Cyril was a miaphysite if you want to condemn miaphysis then condemn Cyril as Well

@aaronc235

7 ай бұрын

Yes. All of the Oriental Orthodox churches are miaphysite

Please dont lie We Oriental Orthodox Chrstians are not monophysitism we are Miaphyisitism

@CatechesisVids

3 ай бұрын

Please read my many other replies on this topic.

The Eastern Apostolic Church or Eastern Apostolic Orthodox Church broke in 1052 already

if you don't have enough information, try to ask before you prepare this video. try to know mono and Mia first

@CatechesisVids

5 күн бұрын

A number of Orthodox said this, so maybe I will explore the question again at a later date, but the Oxford Dictionary of Christianity frames the issue exactly as I did and with the same terminology.

0:37 And this is our problem with the Chalcedonians who speak falsehood against our faith. The Council of Ephesus forbade saying Christ has two natures after the union. The christology of Ephesus-431 is this: Christ is 1 Person with a composite nature that is fully divine and fully human. Chalcedon-451 changed the dogmatized christology to dyophysitism. It should be noted that miaphysitism was accepted at your 5th council.

@bambooboobamb3335

29 күн бұрын

They refuse to be truthful because it isn't easy and comfortable only lies are.

St Photios the Great was not a heretic and came back into Communion with Rome

@CatechesisVids

6 ай бұрын

Lol

The Athanasian Creed just obliterates the greek errors (this same creed that IS present in the councils of toledo); also the arguments from the researcher Dwong.

Don't tell false We Oriental Orthodox Chrstians are not Monophysite we are Miaphysite

@CatechesisVids

4 ай бұрын

Please see my many previous replies about this topic in the comments.

im really struggling between eastern orthodoxy and roman catholicsm

@CatechesisVids

6 ай бұрын

I will pray for your faith journey. This channel primarily is intended for those who are already Catholic to know more about their faith, so it's not really something I'd recommend to someone trying to debate the difference between Orthodoxy and Catholicism - though you are of course welcome keep exploring the faith here. Trent Horn is usually a good apologetic resource on this if you want actual comparison on this topic: kzread.info/dash/bejne/hWWtmbVyn7mZY5M.htmlsi=1YDjv2LpV5-3F_1U kzread.info/dash/bejne/hmye27Wzp9GfmNI.htmlsi=iWCoi6LtuK7TIAe3

@blaincortstotalselfdefense8140

5 ай бұрын

Look into papal infallibility. They actually belive that a man has divine authority and power

@SgtPiper

5 ай бұрын

The Infallibility of the Pope was not a thing pre great scism and additions to creed were anathamitized at the 8th ecumentical council therefore condemning the filioque the Roman Catholic Church has been innovating since the great scism only the Eastern Orthodox Church has kept the tradition of the apostles and of the holy fathers

@MachineSanto

5 ай бұрын

yeah that turned me into a God hating atheist for most of my life, then i learned that christianity is not catholicism@@blaincortstotalselfdefense8140

@marvalice3455

5 ай бұрын

​@@blaincortstotalselfdefense8140 No, we actually believe that God keeps his promises no matter what choices men make

Constantinople 553 later condemned Nestorian theology accepted by Chalcedon 451 as "orthodox."

This guy doesn't know what he is talking about. Monophysitism is classified as an Eutychian heresy, which is unanimously rejected by both the Oriental Orthodox and Eastern Orthodox Churches. The divergence between these two branches of Christianity originates from the outcomes of the Council of Chalcedon, which exonerated individuals sympathetic to Nestorian views (namely Theodoret of Cyrus, Ibas of Edessa, and Theodore of Mopsuestia). Of course they denounced and anathematized their teachings in a later council but it seems the damage has already been done at that point. To be clear, our theological stance remains aligned with the Christology articulated by Saint Cyril of Alexandria, denouncing both Nestorianism and Eutychianism. So please do your research before misrepresenting and slandering us.

@CatechesisVids

3 ай бұрын

I did do my research. See my sources in the description of this and all of my videos, and my earlier comments on this topic.

@belayadamu1473

3 ай бұрын

@@CatechesisVids so are telling me as an Oriental that I believe in the Eutychian heresy? even though I'm telling you that I do not. Because that is what Monophysitism preaches and we are telling you we do not believe in it. If you did a simple google search with "Oriental Orthodoxy" , you would see that the first result (Wikipedia) says Orientals adhere to the "Miaphysite Christology". And if you were curious what that meant and actually clicked it, it would bring you to another text that says, "Miaphysitism is the Christological doctrine that holds Jesus, the "Incarnate Word, is fully divine and fully human, in one 'nature' (physis)."" So now, what part of that is Monophysitism (is a Christology that states that in the person of the incarnated Word (that is, in Jesus Christ) there was only one nature-the divine)? This is me doing a simple research on Wikipedia to know what the difference is.

@belayadamu1473

3 ай бұрын

​@@CatechesisVids so are telling me as an Oriental that I believe in the Eutychian heresy? even though I'm telling you that I do not. Because that is what Monophysitism preaches and we are telling you we do not believe in it. Simple Wikipedia search would reveal that Orientals adhere to the "Miaphysite Christology" and if you were curious what that meant and actually clicked it, it would tell you that it means "Miaphysitism is the Christological doctrine that holds Jesus, the "Incarnate Word, is fully divine and fully human, in one 'nature' (physis). Now what part of that is Monophysitism? Which is according to Wikipedia is defined as " Monophysitism (/məˈnɒfɪsaɪtɪzəm/ mə-NOF-ih-seye-tih-zəm[1]) or monophysism (/məˈnɒfɪzɪzəm/ mə-NOF-ih-zih-zəm; from Greek μόνος monos, "solitary"[2] and φύσις physis, "nature") is a Christology that states that in the person of the incarnated Word (that is, in Jesus Christ) there was only one nature-the divine.[3]"

@belayadamu1473

3 ай бұрын

@@CatechesisVids why are you deleting my replies?

@CatechesisVids

3 ай бұрын

No one is deleting your replies. The Oxford Dictionary of the Christian Church defines the Oriental Orthodox as belonging to the monophysites. If you say that you are miaphysite instead, then that's just a different trinitarian heresy that confuses the trinity and is also heretical.

*MIAPHYSITISM* I was baptized on the armenian apostolic church. I grew up in the catholic church... they accept my baptism so i can take the communion. If you think MIAphysitism is heretic, why they say me that i can take the communion on the Roman Catholic Church???

@CatechesisVids

2 ай бұрын

Materially heretical views are not always the formal crime of heresy, particularly for those who are born into a schismatic sect.

St. Cyril of Alexandria was a miaphysite he confessed one nature for Jesus after the union, “we say that the two natures were united, from which there is the one and only Son and Lord, Jesus Christ, as we accept in our thoughts; but after the union, since the distinction into two is now done away with, we believe that there is one nature of the Son, since He is one Son." - St. Cyril, [Response] Letter 40 to St. Acacius Melitene We believe that the two natures of Christ were always united in One incarcerate nature, fully God, fully Human. May we be united with our Eastern Orthodox Brothers✝️❤️

@CatechesisVids

4 ай бұрын

Even if your interpretation of Cyril were correct, it would not be relevant; that which is true is what is solemnly defined by the Church's ecumenical councils.

@NoferTadros

3 ай бұрын

​@@CatechesisVids This is exactly the issue in contention. Should that you set the standard which you follow to be the church councils you encounter conflict since this view espoused by St. Cyril was the governing principle at Ephesus. How then can the following "church council" (Chalcedon) state a differing position and have both held at the same time in acceptance? This would be discordant at best, perhaps schizophrenic at worst.

@meina0614

2 ай бұрын

@@CatechesisVidsCyril is as clear as day. Some mental gymnastics you have to do in order to say “hmm but akshually”. Furthermore, why did Chalcedon accept the three chapters which are undeniably Nestorian? Why did the chalcedonians come to the rescue of Theodoret of Cyrus and Ibas of edessa who were nestorian and confirm them as orthodox? Good luck trying to answer these.

Learn the different Mr EO heretic between mono and mia physitism

@CatechesisVids

Ай бұрын

This has been addressed under a number of other comments. But they are both heretical and not proper christology.

@copticwarrior1408

Ай бұрын

@@CatechesisVidsYou obviously don’t know the difference because you just called St Cyril of Alexandria a heretic because he said “miaphysitism”. EO are Nestorian anyway and will be going to hell with Leo, maximum the confessor and John of Demascus. All heretics

Roman Catholicism Split From The Orthodox Church in 1054 its not the other way around.

@CatechesisVids

5 ай бұрын

The fullness of Christianity is known by allegiance to the Supreme Pontiff, and not any collection of lower orders of bishop; the Orthodox are in schism from the true faith.

@SgtPiper

5 ай бұрын

@@CatechesisVids "I say it without the least hesitation, whoever calls himself the universal bishop, or desires this title, is, by his pride, the precursor of Antichrist," St Pope Gregory The Great

@dpwXXIPolskaPolak

5 ай бұрын

Eastern Apostolic Orthodox removed statues from their churches and belive in hesychasm , angelisation off souls after the death wich is a clear misconception and failed idea.Bye.@@SgtPiper

@dpwXXIPolskaPolak

5 ай бұрын

Saints Gregor i in turn of 6/7century and later Gregor ii and Gregor iii in 8 century said that against the idea off the title ecumenical patriarch used by te patriarch of east since 482-484@@SgtPiper

@SgtPiper

5 ай бұрын

@@dpwXXIPolskaPolak I highly doubt he was going against this in some way otherwise he would be going against clear church tradition cause of Canon 28 of the Council of chalcedon recognition of the bishop of Constantinople having equal authority with the bishop of Rome

My brother. The orientals are miaphysite and the Roman chatholic church split from the orthodox not the other way. Latin came later than Greek.

@CatechesisVids

7 ай бұрын

Your best defense is "no u"? Allegiance to the Pope is how we know the true Faith.

@cvrki7

6 ай бұрын

@@CatechesisVidsYa we see what’s happening to the “true church” as it descends into degeneracy trying to adapt to modern secularism

@saltMagic

6 ай бұрын

@@CatechesisVids 5 patriarchs, one decides to throw a tantrum, shows up on Easter at The Hague Sophia and excommunicates ALL the others because they refuse change the rules like Catholics LOVE to do. Then accuses everyone else of breaking away. Classic.

@saltMagic

6 ай бұрын

⁠@@CatechesisVidsA Pope that blesses sodomy is no pope. And anyone that holds allegiance to a pope over Christ is no Christian.

@destaframesandcrafts9642

6 ай бұрын

he is just making a valid point, if your going to make a video you should not be biased, @@CatechesisVids

The replies to the comments is sad. Making a channel full of videos, when all you do is divide with incorrect proclamations in your video. Claiming people who are recognized as Saints by your church as heretics for believing in miaphysitism. Sad.

@CatechesisVids

24 күн бұрын

Material heresy does not divide from the body of Christ unless it be preached or believed in defiance of Rome, thus a saint or church father could be a heretic on some particular point and yet have lived before a council solemnly declared their position untenable. My channel is intended for Catholics, though all are welcome to watch. The one church that Christ founded is found most fully in that religion that is known by allegiance to the Roman Pontiff, and it is to these people that my videos are directed and to their building up.

Imagine trying to teach with authority, only to be completely off-base and ignorant on the subject. Before you continue, at least educate yourself on the significant differences b/w Miaphysitism and Monophysitism.

@CatechesisVids

2 ай бұрын

The Oxford dictionary of Christianity describes the Oriental belief in the way that I did.

@sammyk6233

2 ай бұрын

@@CatechesisVids very lazy response. delete your channel or do better.