The fact that the Catholic Church is hated and slandered against the most really got we thinking while i was looking into catholicism

@AnonymousIdealist

12 күн бұрын

Slandered by both liberals and RW American Prots.

@bibleman8010

12 күн бұрын

Every time you see someone persecuting the Catholic Church, or speaking falsely against her, be happy, because those people are merely helping Catholics to gain their eternal reward in Heaven. It is a promise from Jesus Christ Himself. "Do not be surprised, brethren, IF THE WORLD HATES YOU." 1John 3:13 "IF THE WORLD HATES YOU, KNOW THAT IT HATED ME BEFORE YOU. IF YOU WERE OF THE WORLD, THE WORLD WOULD LOVE ITS OWN. BUT BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT OF THE WORLD, BUT I HAVE CHOSEN YOU OUT OF THE WORLD, THEREFORE THE WORLD HATES YOU. REMEMBER THE WORD THAT I HAVE SPOKEN TO YOU: NO SERVANT IS GREATER THAN HIS MASTER. IF THEY HAVE PERSECUTED ME, THEY WILL PERSECUTE YOU ALSO; IF THEY HAVE KEPT MY WORD, THEY WILL KEEP YOURS ALSO. BUT ALL OF THESE THINGS THEY WILL DO TO YOU FOR MY NAME'S SAKE, BECAUSE THEY DO NOT KNOW HIM WHO SENT ME. IF I HAD NOT COME AND SPOKEN TO THEM, THEY WOULD HAVE NO SIN. BUT NOW THEY HAVE NO EXCUSE FOR THEIR SIN. HE WHO HATES ME HATES MY FATHER ALSO. IF I HAD NOT DONE AMONG THEM WORKS SUCH AS NO ONE ELSE HAS DONE, THEY WOULD HAVE NO SIN. BUT NOW THEY HAVE SEEN, AND HAVE HATED BOTH ME AND MY FATHER; BUT THAT THE WORD WRITTEN IN THEIR LAW MAY BE FULFILLED, 'THEY HAVE HATED ME WITHOUT CAUSE', (Psalms 35:19)". John 15:18-25 I would say that Jesus Christ said it all in these verses written with the inspired pen of Saint John wouldn't you? Name another Church which is attacked so much on a daily basis as is the Catholic Church? Jesus Christ warned us, "You will be HATED BY ALL NATIONS for My Name's sake." Matthew 24:9 "Blessed are you when men reproach you, and persecute you, and speaking falsely, say all manner of evil against you, for My sake. REJOICE AND EXULT, BECAUSE YOUR REWARD IS GREAT IN HEAVEN; for so did they persecute the prophets who were before you." Matthew 5:11-12...

@My10thAccount

12 күн бұрын

That and the fact that it’s the absolute largest religious organization in human history. You’d expect the church of the one true God to be the most successful one.

@bibleman8010

12 күн бұрын

Every time you see someone persecuting the Catholic Church, or speaking falsely against her, be happy, because those people are merely helping Catholics to gain their eternal reward in Heaven. It is a promise from Jesus Christ Himself. 😃😃 "Do not be surprised, brethren, IF THE WORLD HATES YOU." 1John 3:13 "IF THE WORLD HATES YOU, KNOW THAT IT HATED ME BEFORE YOU. IF YOU WERE OF THE WORLD, THE WORLD WOULD LOVE ITS OWN. BUT BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT OF THE WORLD, BUT I HAVE CHOSEN YOU OUT OF THE WORLD, THEREFORE THE WORLD HATES YOU. REMEMBER THE WORD THAT I HAVE SPOKEN TO YOU: NO SERVANT IS GREATER THAN HIS MASTER. IF THEY HAVE PERSECUTED ME, THEY WILL PERSECUTE YOU ALSO; IF THEY HAVE KEPT MY WORD, THEY WILL KEEP YOURS ALSO. BUT ALL OF THESE THINGS THEY WILL DO TO YOU FOR MY NAME'S SAKE, BECAUSE THEY DO NOT KNOW HIM WHO SENT ME. IF I HAD NOT COME AND SPOKEN TO THEM, THEY WOULD HAVE NO SIN. BUT NOW THEY HAVE NO EXCUSE FOR THEIR SIN. HE WHO HATES ME HATES MY FATHER ALSO. IF I HAD NOT DONE AMONG THEM WORKS SUCH AS NO ONE ELSE HAS DONE, THEY WOULD HAVE NO SIN. BUT NOW THEY HAVE SEEN, AND HAVE HATED BOTH ME AND MY FATHER; BUT THAT THE WORD WRITTEN IN THEIR LAW MAY BE FULFILLED, 'THEY HAVE HATED ME WITHOUT CAUSE', (Psalms 35:19)". John 15:18-25 I would say that Jesus Christ said it all in these verses written with the inspired pen of Saint John wouldn't you? Name another Church which is attacked so much on a daily basis as is the Catholic Church? Jesus Christ warned us, "You will be HATED BY ALL NATIONS for My Name's sake." Matthew 24:9 "Blessed are you when men reproach you, and persecute you, and speaking falsely, say all manner of evil against you, for My sake. REJOICE AND EXULT, BECAUSE YOUR REWARD IS GREAT IN HEAVEN; for so did they persecute the prophets who were before you." Matthew 5:11-12

@countryboyred

6 күн бұрын

@@My10thAccountsorry but that’s a really dumb argument. Islam has more people than Catholicism, does that make Islam true?

A very young man, but very well catechised. This is really encouraging to see. Well done sir! Keep them coming!

Pray for me! I (19M) have signed up for RCIA at the local parish here. Haven't told my pastor and my parents yet (they're anti-catholic) so kinda worried tho when they find out my calling. ❤😢🙏

@G__--

10 күн бұрын

"Do not fear: I am with you; do not be anxious: I am your God. I will strengthen you, I will help you, I will uphold you with my victorious right hand." -Isaiah 41,10 God bless you man!

@JoseLopez-zd9sk

8 күн бұрын

God bless you, God has your back. May the Heavenly Father guide and protect you always in Jesus name. 🙏 😊

@time9133

5 күн бұрын

Join us brother it will all work out because you're taking care of God's things so he will take care of yours. I encourage you to read the readings for today July 15th, 2024 I think they apply great for you. No matter how your parents react don't feel anything bad against them just pray that they may one day accept the true church and be united with you. Will be praying for you my friend

@simonslater9024

15 сағат бұрын

Tell your pastor and parent’s to leave there man made protestant CULT. Also the Bible is a Catholic book the protestant Bible is an incomplete and corrupted Catholic book which I’d rip up. There’s NO salvation outside the holy Catholic Church because it’s the ONLY CHURCH. I’ll assume your pastor and parent’s belong to the Baptist CULT. God bless. Ps please watch the warning or illumination of conscience by Christine Watkins. Then the Papacy can not be destroyed. Then Following Padre Pio.

I’m going through the process of becoming a Catholic, I am doing it for many of the same reasons, including the sacrament of confession which I think is one of the most beautiful aspects about the faith that I love.

@AverageCatholicConvert

12 күн бұрын

Amen! I'm praying for your journey home to Rome! I have a video currently in the works that goes over confession, so be sure to check it out when I upload it!

@hyeminkwun9523

7 күн бұрын

It is the Only Church where one can find the whole Truth. Whoever understands it will come to Her, the Body and Bride of Our Lord and Savior. All the others teach partial truth mixed with errors and lies, which are not from God. Where would they then lead people to?

@simonslater9024

15 сағат бұрын

@@hyeminkwun9523you have the holy Catholic Church. You have 48,000 protestant CULTS including the orthodox CULTS.

Pretty basic explanations that I 100% agree with.

Look at you, good and holy young man. The (Catholic) Church is in good hands. Keep going, convert souls, grow His Kingdom. God bless you.

Good job man! I’m a life long Protestant who is converting. It’s amazing how true the Catholic Church is.

Very well explained... God bless you!

great video keep it up

Great video ! Makes me so happy too see someone your age so knowledgeable of the faith and so excited and involved in it as well , keep up the good work and God bless you brother 🙏

Thank you for your zeal for the Lord and his Church. You’d make a great apologist or even better a priest. May God continue to bless you!

Great video brother! God bless 😊

Great video. May The Lord bless you.

We need Catholic creators. Thank you for stepping up.

Great video mate, outstanding

very well said, thank you very much!! Catholic greetings from Chile

Very good. Congratulations. God bless you, brother.

God bless you brother! Great video, will pray for you 🙏🏻

Solid video, man 👍🏼

Excellent points, I'm converting Catholic 😊 all over again!

Great explanation I agree with everything God bless brother!🙌🏼

Thanks for another great video! Some bold claims about the Orthodox Church but nonetheless enjoyed the content. I understand you have the series going on the sacraments, but something I’d love to see is a commentary on Roman Monasticism. Especially the western rites, many roman scholars praise the eastern rites’ monastics. Some even claim that the eastern monastics uphold the tradition far better. I’d love to see a video on it!

Praise God for the gift of faith! (John 8: 31-32)

Very well written and well spoken from such a young man. Sub'd.

The Holy Spirit is with you, my young friend.

Wow I’m impressed by your knowledge at such a young age! Keep learning!

W mans from another young Roman Catholic 🤝

God bless you and may the Heavenly Father guide you always I pray in Jesus Holy Name. I am a Catholic with a huge respect towards my Protestant and Non-Catholic brothers and sistets. Love your Neighbor as your self. Peace be with you all. 🙏😊 I forgot, awesome and informative video. You radiate humbleness. 🙏

Great video✝️❤️☦️🇻🇦

Very humble video, and respect it my brother. God bless the Catholic Church and those who are in partial communion

First of all, I really like the name of your channel😂❤. And secondly, may God bless you and keep you. ThankYOU for a short and simple explanation.

May God Bless you!

W video. Best explanation I’ve seen on this that’s straight to the point!

God bless you bro..❤❤❤

God Save Rome! Romans greetings from Brazil!

Christ is King, brother

Hello brother and may God bless you! I would like to clear up some misconceptions you had about Orthodoxy, first Orthodoxy teaches the same thing we have the same doctrines the same liturgies and so on, the reason why there are Greek orthodox or Russian orthodox churches is because there are different autocephalies and we have patriarch which are all equal no bishop is greater than any other bishop, and you are incorrect when you say that the Orthodox do not have a definitive teaching on contraception you are incorrect we think that it's dangerous and sinful, and regarding your baptism question it depends on what your bishop says so you are correct on that whatever the bishop says we obey the bishop knows best

@nancyedwards9943

2 сағат бұрын

Very true!!

Amazing video fam!! Where did you learn all this? I am trying to have all this knowledge so that I can defend the faith. Was it RCIA or mostly your own studies. Any tips you can give me?

@AverageCatholicConvert

12 күн бұрын

@@ChristRisenLord Thank you! It’s all from lots of reading and personal studies. Lately I’ve been reading lots and lots of Aquinas and Newman

Awesome!

As a former protestant how did you reconcile the marian theology and prayers to her and the saints? Im not trying to be rude or start an arguement, just genuinluly curious. Ive investegated the RCC and have a lot of respect for it but there is some Major issues i have a personal problem with going along with, this is one of them.

@AverageCatholicConvert

13 күн бұрын

I completely understand your concerns! Ultimately for me, it was the church fathers and looking into the Marian typology in the OT like the ark and the woman of Gen 3:15

Amen.

You are great

Felicitaciones, sigue así . Estamos en los últimos tiempos y la apostaría aumenta, además el concilio Vaticano destruyó la pastoral de la iglesia. En el momento que todos se alejan se necesita que alguien les acerque. Que Dios te ilumine .

I will add you in my daily rosary prayer for hope that you be APOLOGIA

Great video brother. I would say you are strawmanning Protestant view a bit, but only because some claim to have apostolic succession. I’d be interested to keep hearing your takes, the proposed videos sound nice. I am also a Catholic convert about your age. Much love in the name of Christ.

@AverageCatholicConvert

13 күн бұрын

@@jacobfavret1729 it is definitely a strawman, but I was trying to keep the video brief lol💀

@AverageCatholicConvert

13 күн бұрын

@@jacobfavret1729 thank you for the feedback though 🙏🏼

@jacobfavret1729

12 күн бұрын

@@AverageCatholicConvert of course brother, I love encouraging my family in Christ. Studying apologetics myself and thinking about making content once I’m done relocating end of next month. Glad I found your page.

@jacobfavret1729

12 күн бұрын

@@AverageCatholicConvert I don’t think there’s a better way to explain Baptist’s and other non-reformed Protestants lol. Ultimately they are their own authority as they deny apostolic succession. There’s just more nuance amongst Calvinist’s. Looking forward to your content.

Where'd you buy your icons from?

@AverageCatholicConvert

12 күн бұрын

They were both gifts, so I’m not sure where they’re from, I do know my Augustine one is from Greece

@nancyedwards9943

2 сағат бұрын

Yeah, it’s a Greek Orthodox icon. If you’re so Catholic why would you even display this? I was a member of Greek Orthodox Church for 5 years so I know what I’m talking about​@@AverageCatholicConvert

Awesome video bro ! Are you a Roman rite Catholic ? I’m Byzantine btw

@AverageCatholicConvert

13 күн бұрын

@@user-gm4yc1mg8b I’m apart of the Roman Rite!

I want to but cannot I work on Sundays and cannot attend RCIA I am a baptized Episcopalian also received my confirmation as a Episcopalian

Jay Dyer has a pretty big argument against the catholic church stating that vatican 2 contradicts vatican.....is this true?can you refute this argument??please i am genuinely interested can you make a video about it?

@AverageCatholicConvert

7 күн бұрын

@@tibiakitten6918 I’d have to watch his video on it, typically he’s really dishonest with his viewers, if you can give me the video title I’ll look into it

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Typical convert W

Do a video on the masons

In Orthodoxy we have different churches by nations but they are all united and teach the same things because they are one Church not united be ultimate athority like the roman catholics but united in the Holy Synod. So the churches are only regionaly different everithing else is the same just like you said about your catholic rites but on a smaller scale.

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Some Catholic Writings are anti-Bible. For example Decretals, epistolae decretales, are papal letters that have a claim to universal validity and clarify questions of Church law. The Roman Decretalia states the Pope can pronounce sentences and judgments in contradiction to the right of nations, and to the law of God and man .... He can free himself from the commands of the apostles, he being their superior, and from the rules of the Old Testament,” “The pope has power to change times, to abrogate laws, and to dispense with all things, even the precepts of Christ.”-Decretal de Translat. Episcop. Cap. The Catholic 10 Commandments found in Catechisms Sections 2052 -2557 are DIFFERENT to God's 10 Commandments found in Exodus 20.

@bridgefin

5 күн бұрын

You claimed: The Roman Decretalia states the Pope can pronounce sentences and judgments in contradiction to the right of nations, and to the law of God and man Me: Please produce proof of this claim from a Catholic, preferably Vatican, source. You: The Catholic 10 Commandments found in Catechisms Sections 2052 -2557 are DIFFERENT to God's 10 Commandments found in Exodus 20. Me: Show what's different.

I’m not catholic but I deeply respect most of there theology and history. key word “most” but I still think they are true Christian’s. Also we Protestants are not just people who Willy nilly interpret the Bible we do have a church a strong church you should look into the rich history of Protestantism. God bless and great video.

@essafats5728

10 күн бұрын

Which Protestantism? 500yrs of history, in the whole 2000yrs of Christianity, is rich.

@srich7503

9 күн бұрын

Speaking of Bible and history - History shows us that Jesus didn't leave us a bible, - the apostles didn't tell us which books belong in the bible, - the church fathers never agreed on the 27 books of the NT through the 4th century, - not only did they not agree but their individual lists of would-be NT canons were GROWING during this time, growing in numbers of hundreds of “inspired” NT writings. Therefore, if it wasn't the Catholic/Orthodox church that compiled the 27 books of the NT in the 5th century with the guidance of the Holy Spirit, and preserved it by laboriously hand copying them over and over throughout the centuries before the invention of the printing press, the “rule of faith” for many, please tell us who did? And if this church no longer exists today, what good is the text which came forth from her if she couldn't sustain herself?

@TheScholarlyBaptist

9 күн бұрын

@@essafats5728 what we where able to accomplish in that period was truly remarkable now most of the really successful countries in the world come from Protestant origins not to mention the greatest constitution in the world was modeled off Presbyterian church government. While on the other hand a majority catholic regions tend to not be as developed take the entirety of Latin America for example they live in poverty and in crime ridon areas and I have seen it first hand it is horrible and dangerous and that is all the roots of catholic influence. Also your extreme corruption I respect a lot of your theology and I thank the Catholic Church for everything it has done for theology but it is has also been corrupt that is why the reformation needed to happen.

@essafats5728

9 күн бұрын

@@TheScholarlyBaptist sure, Prottys didn't have anything to do with the foundational basis. The Catholics did that for the 1st 1500yrs, Prottys just easily launched from there; minimal effort on their part. So in ur thinking, the Mormons=not Christians...they are the wealthiest religion in such a short time since their creation - does it make the mormons true?

@TheScholarlyBaptist

9 күн бұрын

@@essafats5728 I’m not talking about wealth I’m talking about the positive impact that it has had on the world “by there fruits you will know them.”

Gig em' Aggies!

@AverageCatholicConvert

12 күн бұрын

@@mediocrehistorian6798 Amen to that 😂

1) If you read the original version of nicean creed , you won't find filioque 2) Eastern orthotodxy haven't ever accepted it. Patriarch of Rome tried to add filioque single handedly in 1054 and was anathemised for thus by other 4 patriarchs of pentarchy. 3) You mentioning East accepting filioque at the Counsil of Florence are wrong.

@AverageCatholicConvert

5 күн бұрын

@@sergsputnik8568 have you read the official acts of Florence ??

@sergsputnik8568

5 күн бұрын

@@AverageCatholicConvert As I know there was a compromise, forced upon Church by Byzantine emperor in order to get military aid from the west. Patriarch of Constantinople literally died during the process, and the delegate for the Patriarch of Alexandria refused to sign an agreement (rightfully seeing it as heresy) In (Orthodox) Church no Patriarch has supremacy over others, so it requires a unanimous decision of all Patriarchats to change something as important as the Symbol of Faith. No matter what the "official acts" sad, if they were illegitimate.

1 Corinthians 1:16-18 Yes, I also baptized the household of Stephanas; beyond that I do not remember if I baptized anyone else. 17 For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel, not with words of wisdom, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power. 18 For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. Baptism is not a requirement of salvation, nor are any of the other sacraments of the Roman Catholics. Romans 10:9 shows us how we're saved. If you try to add works in it you empty Jesus' sacrifice and are trying to atone for your own sins. This notion is heresy. Jesus died for ALL sins and like Moses and the Bronze Serpent says, anyone who looks to him will be saved (see also John 6:40). A heresy so bad that the Roman Catholics (who you praise) would have killed you in the past. Like they did my ancestor John Rogers in 1555 for saying there are certain circumstances in which you can divorce. Such as adultery, nonbelief, spousal abuse, amongst others. You should also look into Pope history. Several have committed atrocities including murdering fellow clergymen in order to obtain their position. Or how its unbiblical to force clergymen to be celibate which seems to have caused pedophilia in the roman catholic church, amongst other lust sins. The Bible never said you have to be celibate, but those who are called and gifted to do it they can. Weak men fall to sin. God knows this. Why doesnt your church? Note: I say this as somebody who *CHOSE* to be baptized and take communion, not because its a requirement to be saved, but because I wanted to. The only thing that saves is Jesus' death on the cross and your belief that he is God and he has paid for your sins. Works dont save you.

@AverageCatholicConvert

13 күн бұрын

I say this as someone who left Protestantism, the belief that baptism is required was unanimous in the early church(watch my video on baptism), and second, Protestant history isn’t that clean either. In fact, you should look at what John Calvin did to the Irish Catholics and his theological opponents.

@AverageCatholicConvert

13 күн бұрын

And the practice of celibacy is only in the Roman rite, do your research and you’d know. Plus Paul was celibate, and so was Christ.

@richardkramer4076

13 күн бұрын

The (Un)Real Trucido: You repeat so many stock Protestant errors, I'm like the mosquito in the nudist colony....where to begin? Like many Protestant bible interpretation errors, you cherry-pick a verse out of context and miss the true meaning of the verse in its context in the chapter, or across multiple chapters, while ascribing your own flawed meaning as in your 1 Cor 1 reference, or Romans 10:9, or John 6:40. Protestants place too much importance on their own interpretations because of the doctrinal flaws of sola scriptura, and derive dozens of different meanings for a given passage all while claiming they are "guided" by the Holy Spirit. ... creating thousands of "churches" claiming to follow the bible. You have absolutely no biblical authority to definitively interpret the bible as a result, but the Church Jesus founded WAS given the authority to settle disputes, and with inspiration from the Holy Spirit, actually gave us the canonized bible. I think they know how better to interpret it than you do. Historical context also matters as well as the biblical: Paul was chastising the Corinthians because they started placing too much emphasis on who baptized them, and were falling into different groups based on that, which had the danger of false gospels being taught. ....he was NOT writing a Protestant catechism 1500 years into the future saying baptism was not necessary for salvation. The entire bible, taken in toto, says IT IS necessary, and Christ directed ALL of His disciples to go out and baptize all nations. Are you saying Paul disobeyed Jesus on both administering baptism and believing in the regenerative powers of baptism? NO. Someone other than Paul performing baptism wouldn’t preclude baptism from being essential to the gospel message that Paul preached. Paul was using hyperbole...it didn't matter who baptized you, but although he, Paul, had performed a couple of baptisms in Corinth, he was less concerned about those two calling themselves followers of Paul, he was more interested in people understanding the gospel of Jesus, which included baptism, but who actually poured the water and said the words was not the important thing.

@TheRealTrucido

13 күн бұрын

@@AverageCatholicConvert Yes celibacy was encouraged, but its not a REQUIREMENT anywhere in the Bible. Source: GotQuestions Two passages in the New Testament are typically used to discuss what is sometimes called “the gift of celibacy.” The first is Matthew 19:9-12, “‘I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, and marries another woman commits adultery.’ The disciples said to him, ‘If this is the situation between a husband and wife, it is better not to marry.’ Jesus replied, ‘Not everyone can accept this word, but only those to whom it has been given. For some are eunuchs because they were born that way; others were made that way by men; and others have renounced marriage because of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it.’” The phrase only those to whom it has been given refers to people receiving what some call “the gift of celibacy” or “the gift of singleness.” Regardless of what we call the gift, Jesus teaches that most people do not naturally desire to remain single and celibate for a lifetime. Of the exceptions, two are physical, and one is ethical or religious: 1) some forego marriage due to their natural constitution-they are born with no desire to marry; 2) some do not marry because of some violent act perpetrated upon them by others; and 3) some, by the grace of God, have chosen to renounce marriage for the kingdom’s sake. Such celibates have received a special gift from God. The other pertinent passage is 1 Corinthians 7. In this chapter Paul states that it is not wrong to get married, but that it is better if a Christian can stay single. (The reason is that a married man’s attention is “divided” between pleasing the Lord and pleasing his wife; a single man is free to be more focused on the Lord’s work, verses 32-34.) Paul says, “I wish that all men were [unmarried] as I am. But each man has his own gift from God; one has this gift, another has that” (verse 7). Paul is careful to state that this is “a concession, not . . . a command” (verse 6). The ability to stay single and serve God apart from marriage is a gift. Paul and some others had this gift, but not everyone. As we see, the Bible does not explicitly call this “the gift of celibacy,” but it does express that the ability to remain unmarried to serve God more fully is a gift. Most adults desire marriage, and this desire is not sinful. In fact, marriage can keep us from sin: “Since there is so much immorality, each man should have his own wife, and each woman her own husband” (1 Corinthians 7:2). Rather than engage in immorality, believers are to be married. Sex within marriage between one man and one woman or celibate singleness-these are the only two options for Christians. Although the Bible does speak of celibacy as a gift, it is not listed with the spiritual gifts (1 Corinthians 12; Romans 12). Singleness is a gift that God gives everyone, at least temporarily. For some, the gift of singleness is permanent; for others, God takes that gift away and gives the gift of marriage in its place. The Bible encourages those who are celibate in Christian service that they are an important part of God’s family.

@TheRealTrucido

13 күн бұрын

@@AverageCatholicConvert To be frank I dont know what 'denomination' I fall into exactly, I dont care about labels. I believe as Romans 10:9 (and others) says and I am saved via the free gift of grace by faith alone. Not of works. The Bible is pretty clear, our works are filthy rags, they cannot and will not save us, if we try to keep the law we will be judged by the law, but he gave us the final atonement sacrifice (read Abraham and Isaac / Moses and the Water Rock / Moses and the Israelites - Passover / Moses and the bronze serpent) for all of our sins so we can be saved. There is nothing you can *DO* to earn your way into Heaven. Heres some GotQuestions commentary on the subject: he belief that baptism is necessary for salvation is also known as "baptismal regeneration." It is our contention that baptism is an important step of obedience for a Christian, but we adamantly reject baptism as being required for salvation. We strongly believe that each and every Christian should be water baptized by immersion. Baptism illustrates a believer’s identification with Christ’s death, burial, and resurrection. Romans 6:3-4 declares, “Or don’t you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.” The action of being immersed in the water illustrates dying and being buried with Christ. The action of coming out of the water pictures Christ’s resurrection. Requiring anything in addition to faith in Jesus Christ for salvation is a works-based salvation. To add anything to the gospel is to say that Jesus’ death on the cross was not sufficient to purchase our salvation. To say that baptism is necessary for salvation is to say we must add our own good works and obedience to Christ’s death in order to make it sufficient for salvation. Jesus’ death alone paid for our sins (Romans 5:8; 2 Corinthians 5:21). Jesus’ payment for our sins is appropriated to our “account” by faith alone (John 3:16; Acts 16:31; Ephesians 2:8-9). Therefore, baptism is an important step of obedience after salvation but cannot be a requirement for salvation. Yes, there are some verses that seem to indicate baptism as a requirement for salvation. However, since the Bible so clearly tells us that salvation is received by faith alone (John 3:16; Ephesians 2:8-9; Titus 3:5), there must be a different interpretation of those verses. Scripture does not contradict Scripture. In Bible times, a person who converted from one religion to another was often baptized to identify conversion. Baptism was the means of making a decision public. Those who refused to be baptized were saying they did not truly believe. So, in the minds of the apostles and early disciples, the idea of an un-baptized believer was unheard of. When a person claimed to believe in Christ, yet was ashamed to proclaim his faith in public, it indicated that he did not have true faith. If baptism is necessary for salvation, why would Paul have said, “I am thankful that I did not baptize any of you except Crispus and Gaius” (1 Corinthians 1:14)? Why would he have said, “For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel-not with words of human wisdom, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power” (1 Corinthians 1:17)? Granted, in this passage Paul is arguing against the divisions that plagued the Corinthian church. However, how could Paul possibly say, “I am thankful that I did not baptize…” or “For Christ did not send me to baptize…” if baptism were necessary for salvation? If baptism is necessary for salvation, Paul would literally be saying, “I am thankful that you were not saved…” and “For Christ did not send me to save…” That would be an unbelievably ridiculous statement for Paul to make. Further, when Paul gives a detailed outline of what he considers the gospel (1 Corinthians 15:1-8), why does he neglect to mention baptism? If baptism is a requirement for salvation, how could any presentation of the gospel lack a mention of baptism? Does Acts 2:38 teach that baptism is necessary for salvation? Does Mark 16:16 teach that baptism is necessary for salvation? Does 1 Peter 3:21 teach that baptism is necessary for salvation? Does John 3:5 teach that baptism is necessary for salvation? Does Acts 22:16 teach that baptism is necessary for salvation? Does Galatians 3:27 teach that baptism is necessary for salvation? Baptism is not necessary for salvation. Baptism does not save from sin but from a bad conscience. In 1 Peter 3:21, Peter clearly taught that baptism was not a ceremonial act of physical purification, but the pledge of a good conscience toward God. Baptism is the symbol of what has already occurred in the heart and life of one who has trusted Christ as Savior (Romans 6:3-5; Galatians 3:27; Colossians 2:12). Baptism is an important step of obedience that every Christian should take. Baptism cannot be a requirement for salvation. To make it such is an attack on the sufficiency of the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

Dont treat prostetants as one since we are not. In Lutheranism we have our tradition and we base our statements on the Bible (sola scriptura) Btw. Without Luther you wouldnt be able to read your Bible in your language. The Mess made in diffetent languages also is given by Luthers actions (even chairs in church) We dont deny saints but we do not worship them. The most Saint person you can fallow is Jesus ❤

@AverageCatholicConvert

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@@theggman111 that’s not true, Luther wasn’t the first to put the Bible in the vernacular

@theggman111

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@@AverageCatholicConvert He translated Bible himself. Besides pope was really against it. We all rember what he did to Jan Hus

@AverageCatholicConvert

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@@theggman111 the pope wasn’t against translating, like I said there were multiple vernacular translations at the time, the pope was against the addition of heresy to the scriptures, like when Luther added alone to rom 3:28.

@theggman111

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@@AverageCatholicConvert This so called heresy is everything that just pope disagrees with He himself doesnt know the Bible. That is why catholics for such a long period of time valued works in salvation. Forgeting that we are saved from the fatr and mercy of our Lord

@AverageCatholicConvert

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@@theggman111 someone’s never read pope Benedict on sola fidw😝

“All our religion is but a false religion, and all our virtues are mere illusions and we ourselves are only hypocrites in the sight of God, if we have not that universal charity for everyone--for the good, and for the bad, for the poor and for the rich, and for all those who do us harm as much as those who do us good.”

Your salvation is not because of a baptism but it is because you accepted Jesus as your lord and savior (John3:16) The thief on the cross wasn’t baptized but was save. The roman church saved the bible (great) but they did hide for centuries (in latin translation) and killed many people (inquisition). I’m not blaming today’s roman church but don’t be naive. Who should guide you is the Holy Spirit, not “the saints” (Romans 8). We are in the same side. God bless you!

@shanesolar3924

13 күн бұрын

Wrong. The inquisition killed almost nobody and criminals preferred to be tried by the inquisition because they refrained from execution on most cases. I could easily make the same claim for the Protestant with trials. The church did not hide the Bible with Latin, most parishioners understood liturgical Latin for the gospel and hymns but were otherwise illiterate so it would not matter if the Bible was translated. Also, if baptism is not necessary Christ would not have told the apostles go to out and baptize every believer because it wouldn’t matter. And to The thief on the cross “today you will be with me in paradise” refers to Christ freeing the waiting souls from purgatory. Nobody was in heaven prior to his sacrifice. That was the whole point of the sacrifice. Your version of Christianity did not exist until the 1800s and if you took a Time Machine to the apostolic age they wouldn’t have recognized your idea of the religion. End of story.

@bibleman8010

12 күн бұрын

and Jesus Commanded Baptism for salvation 😜😜 Jesus didnt command Baptism till after his resurrection how could the thief be responsible. for something not yet instituted . Hide the bible are you cracked In all, 198 editions of the Bible were in the language of the laity, 626 editions all together, and all before the first Protestant version, and all having the full approval of the Church. Luther himself noted "it was an effect of God power, that the Papacy should have remained, in the first place, sacred baptism; secondly, the text of the Holy Gospels which it was custom to read from the pulpit in the vernacular tongue of every nation..." (14) Many people both Catholic and Protestant do not realize exactly how much They owe the Catholic Church for the progression of the bible as we know it today. for example before Luther made his German Transition in September of 1522, there were seventeen German Transitions (all before 1518) already in print, twelve of these in the Low-German dialect. (7) Concerning the Crusades, the US got attacked by Islam on 9/11, and went on the offensive the same week. Christianity was attacked repeatedly by Islam over hundreds of years, before going on the offensive after approximately 450 years. The crusades were a response to 600 years of Islamic aggression into Europe. It was 100% justified and shows a level of saint like patience that the church wanted 600 years. ➨ PROTESTANT ATROCITIES & CRIMES, MODERN DAY CORRUPTION AND SEX ABUSE SCANDALS: Protestants have their own crimes, atrocities, abuse scandals & modern day corruption. Not as well known because the following crimes are never acknowledged or repented of by protestants. ✦ 1517: Followers of Luther burned catholic homes with families in. ✦ 1524 Martin Luther killed 100, 000 peasants - Peasant War 1524. ✦ 1534: King Henry VIII, founder of Anglican church tortured & murdered catholics all over England, seizing their proerty for himself, Priests were hunted down, tortured & imprisoned. ✦ 1536 Danish protestants burned "Witches" after the reformation. ✦ 1558, Queen Elizabeth 1 issued an edict demanding that all English people convert to protestantism or face death. Priests were AGSIN Hunted down, tortured and murdered as was anyone who hid Priests. ✦ 1573: The Earl of Essex, John Norris & Sir Francis Drake, along with their forces, invade Northern Ireland, butchering un-armed Catholic men, woemen & children without mercy, Most of whom were hiding in caves & in the forrests. All With the approval of the protestant Queen, Elizabeth I. ✦ 1590 Scottish protestants, headed by King James VI, murdered "witches" in the Scottish witch hunt of the 1590's. ✦ 1599: Second wave of slaughter of Irish Catholics conrtinued under Sir Arthur Chichester. ✦ 1604: During The Reign of King James 1. The King contoninued the reign of terror and the laws that were put in place by Queen E#lizabeth 1, Imposing fines and jail time for those refusing to attend Protestant services and continuing the torture and murder of Priests. ✦ 1650: 3rd wave of slaughter of Irish Catholics: Oliver Cromwell, Protestant head of England, slaughtered a full 1/3 of the Irish, seizing their property & selling others as slaves. ✦ 1680: William of Orange & his "Orange men" carried on with the slaughter of Catholics in the Ulster area of N. Ireland. Present day, this event ois still celebrated with parades. ✦ 1692: Puritan prots in Salem Mass murdered people during Salem witch hunt. ✦ 1789 French prots hacked catholics to death during French revolution. ✦ In more modern times, the English Parliment deliberatly starved the Irish for refusing to convert, during the Irish potato famine of 1845. ✦ The American KKK is a protestant organization Y& they have the same hatred for Catholics as theyu do for Jews & blacks. ✦ Modern day corruption: Jim Bakker in prison for fraud, Jimmy Swaggart doing hookers, Jim Jones poisened his followers, John Hagee living in a mansion, ditto for numerous other prot ministers, driving fancy cars, living in luxury, prot evangelists flying around in private planes while they bilk the elderly out of $$$$, oh ya, and you even have a prot theme park etc etc etc :D ➨ PROTESTANT SEXUAL ABUSE OF CHILDREN: ● Billy Graham's grandson is an attorny who is investigating sexual abuse of children in evangelical churches and HE said the problem is WORSE in evangelical churches. Here are some statistics: ● ★ 7 thousand catholic priests were accusing of sexual abuse of children in the past 10 years. ● ★ TEN THOUSAND PROTESTANT MINISTERS were accused of sexually abusing children in the past ten years. ● ★ 200 thousand Public school teachers who were accused of sexually abusing children in the past 2 years. ★ We Americans are taught from the time we were school children that the pilgrim Fathers were good & noble men, who had fled from religious persecution in England, whereas in reality The pilgrim Fathers were protestants who had been guilty of perseciting catholics in the old world and continued their persecution of Catholics in the New world. when the prorotestants came to America in 1659 They banned celebrations of Christmas and Easter In addition, the banned Catholic priests. The First time a Priest was caught, he was banished from the territory, but if caught again, it was death. Catholics could not own property or vote. ● 10 famous evangelical scandals: john hagee blasphemy ● Televangelists who are anything but holy: s:

@bibleman8010

12 күн бұрын

Gee Jesus commanded baptism didnt he Jn 17:22-23, "And the glory that thou hast given Me, I have given to Matt. 28, 18-20: And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye, therefore. and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen. Mark 16:16 - Jesus says to the crowd, "He who believes and is baptized will be saved." But in reference to the same people, Jesus immediately follows with "He who does not believe will be condemned.🤣🤣

@bibleman8010

12 күн бұрын

Gee was the thief around when Jesus made the command to be baptized that's right it was after the resurrection😫😫

@bibleman8010

12 күн бұрын

Concerning the Crusades, the US got attacked by Islam on 9/11, and went on the offensive the same week. Christianity was attacked repeatedly by Islam over hundreds of years, before going on the offensive after approximately 450 years. The crusades were a response to 600 years of Islamic aggression into Europe. It was 100% justified and shows a level of saint like patience that the church wanted 600 years. ➨ PROTESTANT ATROCITIES & CRIMES, MODERN DAY CORRUPTION AND SEX ABUSE SCANDALS: Protestants have their own crimes, atrocities, abuse scandals & modern day corruption. Not as well known because the following crimes are never acknowledged or repented of by protestants. ✦ 1517: Followers of Luther burned catholic homes with families in. ✦ 1524 Martin Luther killed 100, 000 peasants - Peasant War 1524. ✦ 1534: King Henry VIII, founder of Anglican church tortured & murdered catholics all over England, seizing their proerty for himself, Priests were hunted down, tortured & imprisoned. ✦ 1536 Danish protestants burned "Witches" after the reformation. ✦ 1558, Queen Elizabeth 1 issued an edict demanding that all English people convert to protestantism or face death. Priests were AGSIN Hunted down, tortured and murdered as was anyone who hid Priests. ✦ 1573: The Earl of Essex, John Norris & Sir Francis Drake, along with their forces, invade Northern Ireland, butchering un-armed Catholic men, woemen & children without mercy, Most of whom were hiding in caves & in the forrests. All With the approval of the protestant Queen, Elizabeth I. ✦ 1590 Scottish protestants, headed by King James VI, murdered "witches" in the Scottish witch hunt of the 1590's. ✦ 1599: Second wave of slaughter of Irish Catholics conrtinued under Sir Arthur Chichester. ✦ 1604: During The Reign of King James 1. The King contoninued the reign of terror and the laws that were put in place by Queen E#lizabeth 1, Imposing fines and jail time for those refusing to attend Protestant services and continuing the torture and murder of Priests. ✦ 1650: 3rd wave of slaughter of Irish Catholics: Oliver Cromwell, Protestant head of England, slaughtered a full 1/3 of the Irish, seizing their property & selling others as slaves. ✦ 1680: William of Orange & his "Orange men" carried on with the slaughter of Catholics in the Ulster area of N. Ireland. Present day, this event ois still celebrated with parades. ✦ 1692: Puritan prots in Salem Mass murdered people during Salem witch hunt. ✦ 1789 French prots hacked catholics to death during French revolution. ✦ In more modern times, the English Parliment deliberatly starved the Irish for refusing to convert, during the Irish potato famine of 1845. ✦ The American KKK is a protestant organization Y& they have the same hatred for Catholics as theyu do for Jews & blacks. ✦ Modern day corruption: Jim Bakker in prison for fraud, Jimmy Swaggart doing hookers, Jim Jones poisened his followers, John Hagee living in a mansion, ditto for numerous other prot ministers, driving fancy cars, living in luxury, prot evangelists flying around in private planes while they bilk the elderly out of $$$$, oh ya, and you even have a prot theme park etc etc etc :D ➨ PROTESTANT SEXUAL ABUSE OF CHILDREN: ● Billy Graham's grandson is an attorny who is investigating sexual abuse of children in evangelical churches and HE said the problem is WORSE in evangelical churches. Here are some statistics: ● ★ 7 thousand catholic priests were accusing of sexual abuse of children in the past 10 years. ● ★ TEN THOUSAND PROTESTANT MINISTERS were accused of sexually abusing children in the past ten years. ● ★ 200 thousand Public school teachers who were accused of sexually abusing children in the past 2 years. ★ We Americans are taught from the time we were school children that the pilgrim Fathers were good & noble men, who had fled from religious persecution in England, whereas in reality The pilgrim Fathers were protestants who had been guilty of perseciting catholics in the old world and continued their persecution of Catholics in the New world. when the prorotestants came to America in 1659 They banned celebrations of Christmas and Easter In addition, the banned Catholic priests. The First time a Priest was caught, he was banished from the territory, but if caught again, it was death. Catholics could not own property or vote. ● 10 famous evangelical scandals: john hagee blasphemy ● Televangelists who are anything but holy: s:🤢🤢

Young man, live a bit before you make such hard and fast decisions. At your age everything seems black and white as it was when I was your age. I have been a Christian for over 40 years. I've been sold out to Jesus for all that time. As you get older, I'm not going to say "things will get grey". They will start to look more grey, but when you look closer, you will find that these things are still black and white but the black and white is in "pixels" that are just more complex. They will look grey from a distance. But it's important that you zoom in and correctly separate them. Let's take the example of "protestants just interpret the bible however they like". But that's not true. It looks black to you. But if you get to know protestants you will find that many of them they are very sincere Christians who really work hard to understand the truth. They are not reckless as you suppose. As you look closer, you will start to see the pixels and understand them You believed that after listening to some of these other, older, catholic commentators. Unfortunately, older people can be wrong even if they are sincere. They become angry sometimes at protestants and want to put them down. Many Protestants are the same, slating the Catholics and often wrong about what they believe. I encourage you to not fall into the traps that these people do. But be a humble servant of God seeking out the truth with a fervent heart and not getting too emotional and dogmatic (yet). When you are older and you have experience, then you can become more zealous. At your age, you might end up doing damage. Think about it. How many thousand people watch (or will watch) your videos? You will be impacting their lives. You are responsible for that impact before God. Even at your age. So I encourage you to keep making making these videos but dig, dig, dig until you have made sure you are 100% correct in what you say. Then you will become an excellent teacher as you grow older. God bless you and keep following Jesus with all your heart

@gempster1638

12 күн бұрын

There is one way to live, and that is The Truth, which is Christ. There is no other path that leads to Life except The Giver of Life Himself. Christ has made it known to us and has given us an institution to guide us that He founded. That institution is called The Church. The Church continues through apostolic succession, all Catholic Priests were ordained by a Catholic Bishop. This lineage goes all the way back to Jesus ordaining the Apostles. This is not the case for Protestants. Also to say that he should “live his life” before living in The Truth which Christ revealed is a horrible thing to say. Any other life lived except in The Way that Christ teaches leads to sin, and sin leads to death. To give this silly advice to people you unknowingly lead them to death.

@bibleman8010

12 күн бұрын

Today there are so many Protestant churches because there is so much different interpretation of the Bible; there is so much different interpretation of the Bible because there is so much wrong interpretation of the Bible. And there is so much wrong interpretation because the system of interpreting it is radically wrong. You cannot have one fold and one shepherd, one faith and one baptism by letting every man and every woman distort and pervert the Scriptures to suit their own pet theories. In our day, there is no whim, fad or fancy that some one does not claim to prove from the Bible. Almost any man or woman is conceited enough to set himself up as a competent interpreter of the word of God. "I think the Bible means this, therefore it does mean this," is their modest position. These men and women want it thoroughly understood that our forefathers in the faith were all fools that for the last nineteen hundred years, the Christian world was in inky darkness. With them, however, light has come into the world. VARIOUS INSTANCES Some, like the early heretics, will prove from the Bible that Christ is only God and not man. Others, like modern Unitarians, will prove from the Bible that Christ is only man and not God. Some denominations will prove from the Bible that in the New Law, Christ shared his priesthood with NO ONE. Others will prove from the Bible that in the New Law, even the women are priests; hence the name Presbyters or priests, from which "Presbyterian" is derived. One sect will prove from the Bible that baptism is unnecessary for children, but is necessary for adults. Others will prove from the Bible that baptism is necessary for no one; that it is only a ceremony, an initiation such as is required when one joins a lodge. Campbellites or "First Christians" will prove from the Bible that to be really baptized, one must be totally immersed in water. Others prove from the Bible that the whole thing is unnecessary and ought to be abandoned. Russellites prove from the Bible that there is going to be a millennium, a thousand years when every one will get a second trial. Calvinists prove from the Bible that a large part of mankind do not even get a first trial, but are predestined to damnation irrespective of their merits. BIBLE IS MISTREATED Some sects prove from the Bible that eternal punishment is going to be meted out to nearly every one, but the little handful of their particular false sect is going to escape. But others prove from the Bible that everyone is going to be saved. To even murderers, adulterers, and those who rob widows and orphans-and never repent-will Christ hold out His arms and say: "Come, Blessed of My Father, and possess the Kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world." Reduced to practice their theory means this: Read the Bible and believe as you like; if you like Martin Luther's theory, follow it; if you prefer John Calvin's Christianity, embrace it. If you think that Campbell, or Dowie, or Mrs. Eddy, or the Adventists have "discovered" the truth, have succeeded in doing what Christ must have failed to do, then take them as your guide. If the theory of none of these persons suits you, make up one yourself. RECENT FALLACIES Mrs. Eddy will prove from the Bible that man is all soul, the body is practically a delusion, and does not really exist, "Bible Students" will prove from the Bible that the soul is all delusion you really have none When you die, your soul knows not anything: the soul which God gave Adam was only air and nothing more In the Bible, we are told to serve the Lord in fear and trembling and so we have the shakers, the mourners and the weepers. Again in the Bible, we are told to rejoice in the Lord always, again I say rejoice. And so we have the singers and the jumpers and the rollers. Surely you would think that there is a sufficient variety to suit every one, but it seems not, for new sects are springing up constantly. All these claim to prove their version of Christianity from the Bible; all these are willing to swear that their little handful are the only ones who are right and that every one else is wrong. Christ's Church for nineteen hundred years was a complete failure, but fortunately they have finally come to set it aright. Meanwhile the Bible itself warns us: "For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine. but . . . shall heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears." (2 Tim. 4-3). Again, referring to the epistle of St. Paul, the Prince of the Apostles tells us: "As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also other scriptures, unto their own destruction." (2 Peter. 3-16). CHRIST'S TRUTHS CHANGELESS For whosoever preaches any other but the accepted Christian faith of past centuries, by that very fact proves himself to be a false teacher, a false prophet, who as Christ says, "Comes in the garb of a shepherd, but inwardly is a ravening wolf." The true faith must be and necessarily has been believed, as St. Augustine puts it: "Semper et ubique;" i.e. always and all over - by at least the vast majority of Christians. Of that accepted Christian faith, therefore, we can say what St. Paul did of his own teachings: "Though an angel from heaven preach to you a different doctrine, let him be accursed." Here are ten children. Give them all the same simple problem in arithmetic. Imagine that each gives you a different answer. Of these ten answers, you know that at least nine are wrong. Perhaps also the tenth. Here are 33,800 sects. Ask them all to solve the problem, "What does the Bible teach?" Each gives you a different answer. But you know that only one can really be correct. All the rest are wrong. Two and two are always four. There are a thousand wrong answers to every problem, but only one correct reply. "What does the Bible teach?" Each gives you a different answer. But you know that only one can really be correct. All the rest are wrong. Two and two are always four. There are a thousand wrong answers to every problem, but only one correct reply

@corwynprice1065

12 күн бұрын

To correct him on the whole thing with Protestants, Protestants do t interpret scripture however they want but what feels right to them, which is also wrong, trust the Holy Spirit within the righteous and faithful, don’t trust yourself

Funny I can’t find one good reason.

@srich7503

12 күн бұрын

Then can you please explain why ALL Bible believing people receive their rule of faith, the Bible, from her, the Bride of Christ… History shows us that Jesus didn't leave us a bible, - the apostles didn't tell us which books belong in the bible, - the church fathers never agreed on the 27 books of the NT through the 4th century, - not only did they not agree but their individual lists of would-be NT canons were GROWING during this time, growing in numbers of hundreds of “inspired” NT writings. Therefore, if it wasn't the Catholic/Orthodox church that compiled the 27 books of the NT in the 5th century with the guidance of the Holy Spirit, and preserved it by laboriously hand copying them over and over throughout the centuries before the invention of the printing press, the “rule of faith” for many, please tell us who did? And if this church no longer exists today, what good is the text which came forth from her if she couldn't sustain herself?

1000 reasons that I'm not catholic

@essafats5728

10 күн бұрын

Lord have mercy on us all

@srich7503

9 күн бұрын

@donn07 - I sure hope you dont try to point to any Bible verse. That would be silly… History shows us that Jesus didn't leave us a bible, - the apostles didn't tell us which books belong in the bible, - the church fathers never agreed on the 27 books of the NT through the 4th century, - not only did they not agree but their individual lists of would-be NT canons were GROWING during this time, growing in numbers of hundreds of “inspired” NT writings. Therefore, if it wasn't the Catholic/Orthodox church that compiled the 27 books of the NT in the 5th century with the guidance of the Holy Spirit, and preserved it by laboriously hand copying them over and over throughout the centuries before the invention of the printing press, the “rule of faith” for many, please tell us who did? And if this church no longer exists today, what good is the text which came forth from her if she couldn't sustain herself?

@xXBlessedXxii

7 күн бұрын

​@@srich7503 The Muratorian Fragment is one of the oldest known list of New Testament books which we use today, circa 180 AD Irenaeus' list (180ad) was similar but omitted some NT books . His list and the Muratoria Fragment indicate that the early church(not catholic church) had already agreed on the core New Testament canon.

@srich7503

7 күн бұрын

@@xXBlessedXxii No we do not use the Muratorian Fragment. No one does. Its called “Fragment” for a reason that it does not include all the 27 books and it also includes a few unorthodox books. You wont find the complete 27 and ONLY the 27 books until 367 with Athanasius, only he is not the whole church. In other words not all the church fathers agreed with him - leaving my question unanswered…

Sadly, it's all myth

@SaliseProductions

12 күн бұрын

God loves you

@DukeWhite

12 күн бұрын

@@SaliseProductions thanks

@Jesusisthetruth50

12 күн бұрын

Thankfully it's all truth

@corwynprice1065

12 күн бұрын

Thankfully, it’s all truth

Are these the ones from the ninth century?